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acrodave
03/20/2010, 07:36 PM
with all the diff kinds of clowns everyone is breeding has any one grown out any black/orange babies if so what traits do they show
nikon187
03/20/2010, 08:29 PM
onyx clowns?
acrodave
03/20/2010, 08:31 PM
yeah but true onyx are percs right?
cubsFAN
03/20/2010, 09:05 PM
I'm guessing you mean the offspring of an orange occellaris with a black occellaris. Now my guess would be that their offspring would be brown and not as desirable as the original colors. i think they look good together as a pair though.
acrodave
03/20/2010, 09:09 PM
what if they are orange and black marbled
I would think naked plus darwin might start in that general direction but it would likely take many generations before that happened.
Bmgrocks
03/21/2010, 05:46 PM
look up Sanjay's clowns
they are a Black Occi and Regular Occi cross
generally dark brown in color
clowns101
03/21/2010, 06:51 PM
look up Sanjay's clowns
they are a Black Occi and Regular Occi cross
generally dark brown in color
Sanjays clowns are arent a cross between Black Ocellaris and Ocellaris.They are a cross of Black Onyx and a Darwin Black Ocellaris.:
http://blog.aquanerd.com/2009/08/dr-sanjays-black-photon-clowns.html
StillerNat
03/21/2010, 07:15 PM
cristosclowns are breeding some really nice ones over at another site. the website is nano - reef. check the classifieds.
clowns101
03/21/2010, 07:21 PM
Does anyone have any contact information?Perfeably a phone number?
rkelman
03/21/2010, 07:38 PM
They make very un attractive brownish babies unfortunately. Sanjay doesn't have that breeding pair anymore as far as I know. I think one of them died. They made some beautiful babies though.
with all the diff kinds of clowns everyone is breeding has any one grown out any black/orange babies if so what traits do they show
clowns101
03/21/2010, 07:41 PM
Yes I think his male died.Who knows mabey someone else is working on it......
tufacody
03/21/2010, 07:45 PM
Love my black photons, and I would not call them brown at all. Clearly black and yellow markings, similar to onyx. They have been great fish. Still a little young but I hope they start a spawn soon.
cubsFAN
03/21/2010, 08:13 PM
The question still is not clear. onyx perc+ black occ.= sanjays black photon. reg occ+black occ=brown clown. im guessing when you say orange and black marbled you are talking about onyx clowns which are really just a variation on true percs generally from papua new guinea. if you breed onyx with onyx you get onyx usually. you may not get all that nice black, but fish with different characteristics are selectively bred so there is a higher instance of the unusual desirable trait. a pair of mis bars will be more likely to produce mis bars and eventually, after lots of breeding, sometimes inbreeding, you get something like the naked clowns.
clowns101
03/21/2010, 08:19 PM
If Im not mistaken,the Nakeds were breed by breeding clowns with smaller baring and smaller baring was created.Till they got to the point where the fish had no bars.
cubsFAN
03/21/2010, 08:33 PM
If Im not mistaken,the Nakeds were breed by breeding clowns with smaller baring and smaller baring was created.Till they got to the point where the fish had no bars.
you are correct sir. selective breeding. my post above yours should help explain it, but maybe it was too long.
jonnybravo22
03/21/2010, 10:23 PM
still have no idea what OP is asking about. this thread has gone all over the place about clown pairs, interesting, but what is the point of this thread again?
Acrodave has your question has been answered? black occ. plus orange occ. seems to yield brown clownfish.
acrodave
03/22/2010, 06:31 PM
ok maybe you are not getting me or im not getting you.. ok if you have a say black female and a orange male and they spawn. what would the offspring look like. i dont see why they would turn brown they colors are not going to mix like water colors are they? the blacks as juvs. have reg orange spots till they get older. my fem black had a orange face and then turned all balck. now adding more of a orange blood line wont that make more orange stand out or last and not fade or add more black areas on a orange one. or maybe i have no idea what im talkng about?
clowns101
03/22/2010, 06:46 PM
I talke dwith an ORA worker and they had doen this many years ago and said they got a chocalote coloration.Over all not very appeling IMO.Does that answer your question?
clayspst
03/22/2010, 07:32 PM
I'm guessing you mean the offspring of an orange occellaris with a black occellaris. Now my guess would be that their offspring would be brown and not as desirable as the original colors. i think they look good together as a pair though.
they are not crayons. breeding isnt like mixing crayons look a red fish mated with a blue fish doesnt make a purple fish.
cubsFAN
03/22/2010, 07:47 PM
they are not crayons. breeding isnt like mixing crayons look a red fish mated with a blue fish doesnt make a purple fish.
in this case it does.
rkelman
03/22/2010, 08:03 PM
"Love my black photons, and I would not call them brown at all. Clearly black and yellow markings, similar to onyx. They have been great fish. Still a little young but I hope they start a spawn soon. "
No one said Sanjays are brown... They aren't even related to what the OP asked. They are O's and Percs...
"ok maybe you are not getting me or im not getting you.. ok if you have a say black female and a orange male and they spawn. what would the offspring look like. i dont see why they would turn brown they colors are not going to mix like water colors are they? the blacks as juvs. have reg orange spots till they get older. my fem black had a orange face and then turned all balck. now adding more of a orange blood line wont that make more orange stand out or last and not fade or add more black areas on a orange one. or maybe i have no idea what im talkng about? "
They are fugly brown. This is not uncommon in animals to take some of the traits of each parent making a mix in colour or shape / traits.
"they are not crayons. breeding isnt like mixing crayons look a red fish mated with a blue fish doesnt make a purple fish."
They may not be crayons but if you breed a black ocellaris and an orange one you get BROWN. At the risk of sidetracking this post even farther. Doesn't red and blue make green not purple?
Man this turned out to be a lot of posts for the OP's simple question. I don't know how or why but they make brown. Its been done many times by many people. Arguing makes no difference whatsoever. The dang fish will still be brown at the end of the day. If you don't believe me pickup a pair and try for yourself. Shesh.
Tahoe Reefer
03/22/2010, 08:55 PM
Well with all of that said, lets see some of these fish grown out. I'd like to see some pictures.
side note to help with colors: green is a primary color not made up of any other colors however, when you comibne the blue and yellow wavelenghts they do make a green wave. Red (primary) + blue (primary) = purlple (secondary)
:)
acrodave
03/22/2010, 08:57 PM
[QUOTE=Tahoe Reefer;16820681]Well with all of that said, lets see some of these fish grown out. I'd like to see some pictures.
[QUOTE]
me to
tufacody
03/22/2010, 09:01 PM
look up Sanjay's clowns
they are a Black Occi and Regular Occi cross
generally dark brown in color
Rkelman, seems to me someone is saying they are brown. Get off the high horse.
clowns101
03/23/2010, 02:44 PM
http://blog.aquanerd.com/2009/08/dr-sanjays-black-photon-clowns.html
This is the cross of the fish!
acrodave
03/23/2010, 03:52 PM
the only thing is that is a Onyx Percula and a black oce. so there is a lot of black between the two. im talking a reg orange oce and black oce.. but if thats how they come out that would be cool
Bmgrocks
03/23/2010, 04:34 PM
My Mistake
An orange occelaris x black occelaris cross is Dark Brown...
The cross was sold as "Fancy" Clownfish or Mocha through sustainable aquatics a while back
cubsFAN
03/23/2010, 05:08 PM
sent you a pm acrodave
acrodave
03/23/2010, 05:17 PM
pm sent back
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