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Ali :D
04/27/2010, 10:04 AM
Has anyone tried the new seachem salt called salinity?

I was at my lfs when they just got it in and they were telling me how superior it was over the other brands. From what they were telling me it is not allowed to be sold online but only through trained LFS's who have been to the Seachem HQ in Atlanta, GA and they must attend a 4 day training course to now become a Seachem 'Aqua Vitro' dealer.

The salt is $99 for a larger pail than the others and it will mix 225g at 1.026 SG now i was unaware that most other reef salts state that there recommended mix was at a much lower SG than a reef tank should be kept (1.021-1.023) so i guess it makes some comeback on value that way but its still $99.

So has anyone herd of it or used it?

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Uncle Salty 05
04/27/2010, 10:47 AM
It better be good at that price.

csmfish
04/27/2010, 12:44 PM
Never heard of it and do not think it will last in main stream. This hobby is expensive enough. I think the salt prices now are just on the verge. Also, seeing how IO gets the job done, one would be hard pressed to spend $99 a bucket. Then again, i really have not done the match either.

Shotgunlew
04/27/2010, 12:56 PM
Wow, this salt sounds like some good stuff, My problem is I only have a 12g tank right now....would take me FOREVER to use that.....But its tempting...Anyone know a place in Illinois that carries this stuff?

Chris

Daniel Reef
04/27/2010, 01:25 PM
I refuse to buy any item that I cannot purchase on-line directly from the source as an alternative or from other online sources. The 4 day training sounds like a gimmick.

Ali :D
04/27/2010, 01:44 PM
I refuse to buy any item that I cannot purchase on-line directly from the source as an alternative or from other online sources. The 4 day training sounds like a gimmick.

Nope no gimmick. Its all to do with Seachem's new Aqua Vitro line which they refuse to let sell online as they want the sellers to be educated so that they can pass on the advice to the consumer. I know how much this stuff costs wholesale and it has very little markup. All other salts have much bigger profit margins.

By no means am I saying that it is fantastic and everyone should buy it but what I am saying is i think this stuff could be pretty good and for the extra money it could be that much better so that it could save you money.

For now I do not know enough about it to say but at my LFS they are excited about it and they are doing there own tests on it on there 155g bow front to see how it goes down.

I really dont know how you would find who stocks it but I guess Seachem will have their dealers on there website. I do know of another LFS which will be stocking it but for $129 in FL.

Uncle Salty 05
04/27/2010, 01:47 PM
Never heard of it and do not think it will last in main stream. This hobby is expensive enough. I think the salt prices now are just on the verge. Also, seeing how IO gets the job done, one would be hard pressed to spend $99 a bucket. Then again, i really have not done the match either.

I do know the comment the original poster made about IO and others mixing to lower salinity is true. I always do 36 gallon WC's on my sytem and I do not even measure anymore. A 50 gallon bag mixes out @ 1.026 in my 36 gallons.
(I buy the 200 gallon boxes with four 50 gallon bags)

Ali :D
04/27/2010, 01:54 PM
I do know the comment the original poster made about IO and others mixing to lower salinity is true. I always do 36 gallon WC's on my sytem and I do not even measure anymore. A 50 gallon bag mixes out @ 1.026 in my 36 gallons.
(I buy the 200 gallon boxes with four 50 gallon bags)

I guess this is where they say it has better value than other salts and how it can justify it's price.

I should be able to get hold of Seachem's training media and hopefully get some more info on this stuff (Very friendly with my LFS staff incase you were wondering how i know about it)

How about Aqua Vitro? anyone else have good results with this? My LFS gave me some samples and from my short time using I am seeing good results but too early to tell.

Ali :D
04/27/2010, 02:01 PM
here is a link to Seachem's page on Salinity;

http://www.aquavitro.com/Products/salinity.html

romanr
04/27/2010, 03:49 PM
I want the whole aquavitro line (minus the salt) at a club meeting. I use the Balance and liked it so much that I bought more of it on-line (don't tell anyone and don't ask me about my source). I've been tempted to give the salt a try as my LFS sells it for $99. Tropic Marin's new Bio-Actif salt is around the same price but for 160g. I tried a bucket and really liked it. Saving up for another bucket. While saving up, I'm picking up 25G bags of I/O.

chuckstyl5
04/27/2010, 05:36 PM
I have Salinity and started using it on my brand new tank --- So far I think its great ... Then again im still cycling haha

Ali :D
04/27/2010, 05:39 PM
I have Salinity and started using it on my brand new tank --- So far I think its great ... Then again im still cycling haha

Ok cool well let us know how you get on with it!

Stanley-Reefer
04/27/2010, 07:08 PM
And if that's true, the LFS employees nor the seachem rep could tell me how much salinity it takes to turn 1 gal of RO/DI water into 1.026 this weekend at the LFS's annual sale! It was on sale for $75/bucket too.

I use Reef Salt too! It'll be on sale online if they want to sell more of it.

Kungpaoshizi
04/28/2010, 08:18 AM
What makes it 'better'?
Very curious to see if they got it to work as intended :)
(http://www.seachem-labs.org/support/forums/showthread.php?p=7767)

sean A.
04/28/2010, 09:17 AM
I just started using this salt. So far the only problem I have with it is that it does take a Lil longer to mix.
Since I started using it so far I haven't needed to dose anything in my tank.

noahm
04/28/2010, 09:54 AM
If it actually mixes to 1.026, it compares quite readily to the more premium salts price-wise, with the conversion to lower salinity, but is still a fair bit more expensive than IO. The problem is, that the average reefer doesn't even realize that most salt is spec'd to mix at a lower salinity to achieve the gallonage, so I think their price point will make it a difficult sale unless they can get the LFS on board en masse. People tend to just see the big print.

sean A.
04/28/2010, 10:07 AM
Well what I realized was that you get more gallons made with this new salt. Then the money you spend
to dose your tank like CA, Mag, and stuff you save because so far I haven't needed to dose anything.

BFG
04/28/2010, 10:38 PM
There is a thread about salts in the chemistry forum, check it out.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1589326&page=41

Dont Ask Me
04/29/2010, 06:49 AM
I saw this for sale in a local LFS for $120 australian, but there is no way i can justify that price without hearing some dam good results, as i use seachems reefsalts ATM, and even with the salinity difference reef salt works out a hell of a lot cheaper.

mapleredta
04/29/2010, 09:09 AM
99 bucks? Wow. Our sponsors around our area sell it for 65 bucks a bucket. I will be giving it a chance next go round.

Ali :D
04/29/2010, 09:18 AM
99 bucks? Wow. Our sponsors around our area sell it for 65 bucks a bucket. I will be giving it a chance next go round.

Ah now that's because you live in Seachem territory! We have to add delivery charges to the LFS and such so bumps it up a bit.

mapleredta
04/29/2010, 10:05 AM
Ah now that's because you live in Seachem territory! We have to add delivery charges to the LFS and such so bumps it up a bit.
I didn't even take that into consideration. Many members of ARC use it, and swear by it.:thumbsup:

Ali :D
04/29/2010, 10:22 AM
I didn't even take that into consideration. Many members of ARC use it, and swear by it.:thumbsup:

I thought that's not right! That's less than my LFS pays for it trade. It will be interesting to see how this stuff preforms as I think if it gets the results its saying it does then I think I will be using it. From the other thread it seems its difficult to mix.

I will be talking to a Seachem rep today at the LFS so I will try to get some more info on why this is.

romanr
04/30/2010, 06:01 AM
I was going to either buy the Salinity or the Tropic Marin Bio-Actif which I had tried before and really liked. Then I ran into a sale on IO and just bought 1000g of IO for $194 out the door. I just couldn't pass that up!

RBU1
04/30/2010, 06:27 AM
Nope no gimmick. Its all to do with Seachem's new Aqua Vitro line which they refuse to let sell online as they want the sellers to be educated so that they can pass on the advice to the consumer. I know how much this stuff costs wholesale and it has very little markup. All other salts have much bigger profit margins.

By no means am I saying that it is fantastic and everyone should buy it but what I am saying is i think this stuff could be pretty good and for the extra money it could be that much better so that it could save you money.

For now I do not know enough about it to say but at my LFS they are excited about it and they are doing there own tests on it on there 155g bow front to see how it goes down.

I really dont know how you would find who stocks it but I guess Seachem will have their dealers on there website. I do know of another LFS which will be stocking it but for $129 in FL.

Well I paid $69.00 a bucket so there is a nice markup......

Dont Ask Me
04/30/2010, 07:19 AM
From reading the synthetic salt mix thread it the chemical forums alot of people are having trouble with mixing it, as bad as up to 4 days for it to clear, can anybody provide an analysis on a 1.026 mix?

RBU1
04/30/2010, 07:24 AM
It does take a few days to mix clear, but that is because of the higher levels of alk and calcium. I am awaiting my Seachem Test kits. As soon as I get them I can post some results. The inportant thing to remember, if you are testing this is to make sure you are at 35ppt on the refractomer.

Nanz
04/30/2010, 07:28 AM
Where can you buy this salt online?

RBU1
04/30/2010, 07:28 AM
Where can you buy this salt online?

You cant

Dont Ask Me
04/30/2010, 07:56 AM
It does take a few days to mix clear, but that is because of the higher levels of alk and calcium. I am awaiting my Seachem Test kits. As soon as I get them I can post some results. The inportant thing to remember, if you are testing this is to make sure you are at 35ppt on the refractomer.

Honestly do we need more alk and calcium than the higher end salts already provide?, unless you have a huge demand for it.

RBU1
04/30/2010, 09:04 AM
Honestly do we need more alk and calcium than the higher end salts already provide?, unless you have a huge demand for it.

In my opinion yes. Less dosing is always good in my opinion. Here is a chart on the Salinity values...

NSW Min Max
ph 8.5 8.4 8.6
Alkalinity 3.5 meq/L 3.2 meq/L 3.8 meq/L
Calcium 422 409 435
Magnesium 1,336 1,296 1,376
Strontium 8.4 8.1 8.7
Bicarbonate 214 208 220
Borate 15 14.5 15.5
Bromide 65 63 67
Chloride 19,000 18,430 19,570
Iodide 0.06 0.0582 0.0618
Sulfate 2,655 2,575 2,735
Potassium 380 369 391
Sodium 10,500 10,185 10,815
Cobalt 0.0004 0.00039 0.00041
Copper 0.0003 0.00029 0.00031
Iron 0.01 0.0097 0.0103
Manganese 0.002 0.00194 0.00206
Molybdenum 0.01 0.0097 0.0103
Rubidium 0.12 0.1164 0.1236
Zinc 0.01 0.0097 0.0103

Ali :D
04/30/2010, 12:27 PM
Well I paid $69.00 a bucket so there is a nice markup......

Now this depends entirely on where you are and how much they buy. IF say they buy 5 buckets then they get it for so much but if they buy 20 they will get it for less and it depends on the LFS suppliers and their mark ups.

I know at my LFS we pay more than that to buy it trade, so it fluctuates a lot which is good to know.

csmfish
04/30/2010, 02:52 PM
So who here is the math wiz to tell us how much a gallon of I/O costs to a gallon of this new stuff at a 1.025/6 mix? I could do it but my brain is on weekend duty, lol.

burtonpj48
04/30/2010, 10:56 PM
I started using the salt, i have about 1/4 of the bucket used. I noticed the magnesium was 1300 ppm. I was impressed. I mix about 20 gallons and use a koralia 4 power head to mix it clear in about 12-24 hrs. The clairity is not as good when initially added into the display. for me it takes about 30 min to an hour for it to clear up in my tank. For us here its 120 canadian per bucket.

staticpig5
08/13/2010, 10:44 PM
First of all there is NO 4 day training requirement set by seachem for Aquavitro, Salinity, or any of their products

Second your LFS is getting ripped off or not telling you the truth about how much wholesale is most likely not telling you the truth chances are since you dont work there they arnt telling you the exact price they pay and the typical retail price across the US is $99 - $120

also i know that a lfs i worked at in IL and SC pay the same for it from two different suppliers and the prices don't change that drastically based on whether your in territory or not and seachems territory covers the whole USA, Australia, almost all of Europe, and parts of asia

celano
08/13/2010, 11:00 PM
Is there a source for this yet online? I use Seachems reef salt and like it but I want to try this new mix.

staticpig5
08/13/2010, 11:02 PM
it is exclusively for lfs and will never be available on-line

Sitarangi
08/13/2010, 11:08 PM
I work at an LFS and we just started carrying it. We're selling it cheaper than the 200gal buckets of Marin but honetly i'm not a fan. Tropic Marin Pro-reef is still my personal favorite just because it keeps my dKH in check and has all sorts of random trace elements that make dosing so much simpler

staticpig5
08/13/2010, 11:18 PM
i work at an lfs also and i like it a a lot id say the same as tropic marin pro we use only salinity on our display and have amazing results and ours is cheaper than TMP

fnvarner
08/13/2010, 11:36 PM
I had the seachem guy post a pitch to me for our store to buy it.

I was told would never be available online. Was also not informed of any training but was told that each bucket will have a guarenteed analysis of all chemicals in the salt as they make small batches at a time and hold the batches back and outsource a lab to do all the testing.

staticpig5
08/13/2010, 11:38 PM
yes every batch is sent to an independent lab that tests the parameters and seachem individually labels each bucket with results

celano
08/14/2010, 12:12 AM
it is exclusively for lfs and will never be available on-line

Is this Seachems stance on the matter? If so, thats to bad...

staticpig5
08/14/2010, 12:17 AM
seachem is trying to offer a way to support lfs more and i think its an excellent idea lfs are the backbone of this hobby and see all the front lines of things if you dont like supporting lfs than im sorry but but the online stores are big enough and im all for supporting small business and local business i hate buying online

celano
08/14/2010, 12:35 AM
Being a small business owner myself I can understand your stance on the matter and Seachems.
Unfortunately, I only have one mediocre lfs in my area and they don't offer this product thats why I asked if it was offered online.

staticpig5
08/14/2010, 12:42 AM
where in il are you cuz there are alot of lfs in il what is the name of it if they carry any seachem what so ever then they can get it just ask and im sure they will order it

celano
08/14/2010, 12:58 AM
I'm just outside of Peoria. The two closest lfs to me are Fishin Times and Charlie's.
Both of them get their supplies and live stock from a wholesaler called Wilson Pet Supply.
I also get a lot of my pet supplies from Wilson's(dog food, cat food, ect...)but unfortunately they don't offer Seachems new line of products.

celano
08/14/2010, 01:12 AM
nvm

RBU1
08/14/2010, 04:50 AM
Still using it and no ill effects. WIll still give it another couple months before I make my final decission...

staticpig5
08/15/2010, 11:13 AM
the distributer that you stores order from (willson pet) carry salinity its in stock at the warehouse and should be either 89 or 99 retail so just tell your lfs to order

mavjoy
08/15/2010, 12:39 PM
Currently using it and so far so good. I was using D-D H20 before and really happy with it but just wanted to try this one for a change.

celano
08/15/2010, 05:23 PM
the distributer that you stores order from (willson pet) carry salinity its in stock at the warehouse and should be either 89 or 99 retail so just tell your lfs to order
Thanks for tip! I just logged onto Wilsons site and see that they are carrying it now!
Its still $86 plus freight though....:twitch: and thats my cost. I cant imagine what I would get charged going through one of the lfs.

rogersb
08/15/2010, 07:24 PM
I bought it at its east coast release. I justified it this way - IO 50g mixes to 36 @ 1.026. If 200g costs 45 plus 9 shipping that's $54 but only mixes to 144g. To get to the 225g that the Salinity mixes to, I would have needed just over 300g. If I could buy a half box at the same rate, that's about $77 to get me 225g of IO. The store selling Salinity sells it for $87. For $10 I get a guaranteed analysis on the bucket which matched my salifert kits. I mix mine in 32g buckets and since the initial batch have not tested anything for water changes. My coral are thriving and my fish are happy.

staticpig5
08/15/2010, 07:30 PM
just to be sure im talking about Wilson pet the wholesale distributer for retail stores and i just checked with them and its a lot cheaper than that

celano
08/15/2010, 07:38 PM
I sent ya a pm Static. Maybe we are talking about two different wholesalers??

vwtanker
08/15/2010, 08:54 PM
We switched are entire store to salinity in april and it reduced the supplement needs by 25 to 50 percent. We use different supplements on all the systems to test there effectiveness and report to our customers. I switched our main 720 gallon coral system to the aqua vitro line and it has impressed me. The dosing is much easier to find the balance.
To become a certified dealer you do need to go to Atl for training but you can sell there products without it. I didn't get to go because I had summer school courses this year.

SteveDye
08/16/2010, 01:31 PM
I have been using it for about 2 months now and love it! My lfs here in Sacramento,Ca. has it for $64.99. All numbers are good. It was recommended to me from some people in the San Francisco Bay area that have had great luck with it. So far, so good...

allsps40
11/14/2010, 02:23 AM
What all this about you cant get it online. This place sells it online but is out of stock ATM.
http://www.neptuneaquatics.com/supply/aquavirto-salinity. I can get it locally for I think it was $75, cant believe some of the prices out there. I stopped using Pro Reef cause it got over $90 and even that was expensive. Now I cant get it locally and its over $100 online also.

Cloudburst2000
11/14/2010, 12:41 PM
What all this about you cant get it online. This place sells it online but is out of stock ATM.
http://www.neptuneaquatics.com/supply/aquavirto-salinity. I can get it locally for I think it was $75, cant believe some of the prices out there. I stopped using Pro Reef cause it got over $90 and even that was expensive. Now I cant get it locally and its over $100 online also.

No, if you read the print under that. It says that product is sold in-store only. That's why you can't get it online from them. They are showing you that they carry it, but you have to buy it at their store.

allsps40
11/14/2010, 05:49 PM
Ok I did not read into it to much, just saw that they have it. Give it time the online stores will start to carry it.

RBU1
11/14/2010, 06:57 PM
Ok I did not read into it to much, just saw that they have it. Give it time the online stores will start to carry it.

No they will not...

The aquavitro line was a strict deal between fish stores and Seachem. This was to help bring more buisness to local stores. Store owners had to attend training to carry the aquavitro line, from what I am told.....