Ich Secondary infection and prazipor

[rinconmike]

I have an issue with ich and been treating with Cupramine and the ich is gone.

however, my butterfly fish has cloudy eyes and one is bulging.

My LFS now recommended prazipor to treat for that.

Is the cloudy eye popeye of flukes and will prazipor take care of it?

thanks

[rinconmike]

I cannot tell if the eyes are better after the first dose of prazipro yesterday, but the fish is now swimming around a little more.

Here are some pictures

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00549.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00550.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00552.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00556.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00559.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5728038/butterfly%20eye/DSC00561.jpg

[rinconmike]

Anyone have any ideas of what is the cuase of the cloudy eyes and if prazipro is the right treatment. since treating, i do not see a change in the eyes.

thanks,

Mike

[RBU1]

Cloudy eyes could be a few things.....Injury, poor water quality or flukes. If it is flukes the prazipro will clear it up in about a week. As long as the fish is eating I would continue to make sure you do as large of a water change as possible. On my QT I do weekly 100% water changes to keep the water perfect.

[rinconmike]

Thanks. Since I am using cupramine and prazipro, should I use something like melafix or seachem kanaplex incase it is bacterial and not a parasite on the eye?

Mike

[RBU1]

No its probably water quality related. How long and what level have you been treating with cuprmaine?

[rinconmike]

Cupramine around .3 to .4 (hard to tell on 4 different test kits) for 14 days now.

The test kits I am using are Seachem around .3 (very hard to read), Red Sea (looks like .3 to .4), Salifert, shows very low, APC shows around .3.

I plan on doing a 20-25% water change tomorrow. Not sure if I should continue cupramine. I see no signs of ich on any of the fish now. Only issue is the butterfly.

Part of my issue was fluctuating water temp. I was going from 77 to 8o (sometimes 81). on friday I installed a JBJ 1/3 HP chiller and now have it set to 78 so I am between around 78.2 and 78.6.

I also added a Nu-clear 530 Canister Filter to go with my wet dry (bioballs). Check nitrites today and seen none.

Last water changes were 14 days ago (20%) and 21 days ago (20%).


thanks

[RBU1]

I would make up a large batch of saltwater and get the level of Cuprmaine in the makeup water up to .5 Then do as large of a water change as you can. Hopefully you can do almost 100%. Do that a couple times then weekly.

[lesleybird]

Cloudy eyes after an outbreak of ich is often a secondary bacterial infection after the skin was damaged by the ich. Best treatment is to take them out of the main tank and treat with Furian 2 or other antibiotics that says it treats cloudy eye on saltwater fish. Unfortunately antibiotics cannot be used in a main tank as the will kill your bio filter. Lesley

[Jstdv8]

I would make up a large batch of saltwater and get the level of Cuprmaine in the makeup water up to .5 Then do as large of a water change as you can. Hopefully you can do almost 100%. Do that a couple times then weekly.

I was going to mention this as well. .5 is the reccomended copper level for treatment of cupramine

[SPotter]

Cloudy eyes could be a few things.....Injury, poor water quality or flukes. If it is flukes the prazipro will clear it up in about a week. As long as the fish is eating I would continue to make sure you do as large of a water change as possible. On my QT I do weekly 100% water changes to keep the water perfect.

doesnt this cause your tank to recycle since you are removing all of the water?

[rinconmike]

Thanks for the input. Seachem stated that .25 to .35 is fine to treat ich. Due to having a puffer and lion fish, I wanted to keep it a little lower than .5. However, I am not really sure what I had it it. I think it was between .4 and .5. The test kits are hard to use. Using Seachem kit, I tested my water and also did a reference test and the water was almost the same color as the reference.

On Monday I did around a 30% water change. I also put in the carbon to start taking out the cupramine. Within a day, the butterfly started swimming more (previously not moving much). However, the eyes are still cloudy.

All my other fish seem fine. I am debating on trying a dip for the butterfly with something like paraguard or just leave it be and see what happens.

thanks,

Mike