Juvi Blueline Angelfish

[flying53brian]

Hi Blueline Angelfish owners,

Just wondering if anyone has pics of the Juvi Blueline you might own. I just purchased one and will try and pair up with my larger one. I will receive tomorrow afternoon, bought from LA, will post some pics then.

I have never seen pictures till I looked up online and they are just beautiful looking and had to pull the trigger on it. Lucky I was up late last night browsing LA as I don't think that they posted it in the collectors corner till then.

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/marine/angels/images/BluestripedAngelfish(juv)WMA_AP15UA_med.jpg

[Kahuna Tuna]

I saw that LA had those for a few hours and have seen some juvies offered at other online outlets lately. LA had a good price on those and they always have nice fish, would love to see what they looked like. The pic you posted is of an older juvie, the small ones I have seen are nearly all black with yellow markings and look a lot like the poma, meredithi, and other juvies in the genus. Good luck on getting them to pair up, this is a great species.

[michael_cb_125]

Hey Brian!

I picked one of these up from LA as well. Lets home they do well.

at 199 they were hard to pass up!

~Michael

[Iwishihadgills]

They have some a bluezoo that are UP to 1.5"

[flying53brian]

Hi Michael,
I know, was definitely a great price! Post pics when you can.

Iwishihadgills,
They were quite a bit more on the price though!

Good luck everone who was fortunate enough to pick up on this deal

[Kahuna Tuna]

We need to see some pics of these! :)

BTW they were back in stock for a few more hours this morning, seems like there are a bunch coming in now. How hardy are the juvies? $200 is a lot to pay for a tiny fish it might seem worth it to me to spend more on a large fish.

[flameangel88]

We need to see some pics of these! :)

BTW they were back in stock for a few more hours this morning, seems like there are a bunch coming in now. How hardy are the juvies? $200 is a lot to pay for a tiny fish it might seem worth it to me to spend more on a large fish.

It's hard to put a price on some juvies especially when some adapt better small and such as a small Regal which cost more then the adult. Another example of a beautiful juv stage angel is the Holacanthus africanus.

I recently purchased a 2" Goldflake and it was a lot of work and worry on keeping it alive. As much as I've said not going to get another 2" angel deep down it was rewarding.

[flying53brian]

Just received,

Awesome looking! sorry but still in the bag pics. I am drip acclimating then will go into quarantine. Will take more pics soon

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0352.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0351.jpg

[flameangel88]

Beautiful! How big is she?

[euod]

Very very nice. My jaw just dropped. How big is that?

[flying53brian]

Very deceiving in the bag huh? :lol2:

I say around 1.5" maybe 1.75"

[euod]

You may want to take a pic with car key next to it. Lol.

Congrats and thanks for sharing.

Flameangel88- at this size we can get a school instead of a pair.

[flying53brian]

You may want to take a pic with car key next to it. Lol.

Congrats and thanks for sharing.

Flameangel88- at this size we can get a school instead of a pair.

That is very funny, make sure it is a jeep key though!

[flameangel88]

Flameangel88- at this size we can get a school instead of a pair.

I'll settle for a trio.

[Iwishihadgills]

That fish is sick! congrats

[Dejavu]

Well it doesn't look like LA have any more :(. Nice pick up Brian!

[flying53brian]

Thanks everyone,

If I would of known they were this nice looking I probably would have bought a trio. They still had more when I purchased mine.

Anyway I will post more pics as she becomes acclimated and introduced to main display. I hope she starts to eat like her big brother.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0359.jpg

Two more pics, I promise that's it!
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0388.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0356.jpg


Great name their Brian!

[Kahuna Tuna]

Awesome fish and nice get. I'd spend two bills for a nice big juvie blueline like that.

[jjk_reef00]

Wow those are some great looking fish! How do you guys plan on pairing these up? Will they naturally pair with minimal aggression?

[LargeAngels]

Well, I ordered mine on Tuesday and this morning I get a box from LiveAquaria with NO blueline in it.

[flameangel88]

Well, I ordered mine on Tuesday and this morning I get a box from LiveAquaria with NO blueline in it.


same thing happen to me so don't feel so bad but i did get a email yesterday afternoon about delay. I ordered tuesday at 10:30am so i must have missed the same day shipping deadline. receivied the shipping notice yesterday about the other fish from DD but didn't get the juv BL delay notice till much later about not able to fill the order now. hopefully they can fill it in the near future.

[michael_cb_125]

I got an email this morning stating that my BL did not ship! I am a little MAD!

Ordered this fish as soon as it popped up on Tuesday morning at like 9:00. It went out of stock a few hours later, then popped back up twice!....... why do I not have mine!!!

~Michael

[skiprr]

Very nice... I remember seeing this fishes at my LFS about6-7 years ago and they were selling for around $60 back then...I would be $200 for that fish today..

[minhvu]

Why are the blueline not shipping? I saw one last night on LA. Almost pulled the trigger but decided to wait. Woke up this morning and it's gone.

[flying53brian]

Michael, flameangel88, and Brian.

Very sorry to hear that, I was hoping we could share experiences with these. I hope they come soon, that is weird that they over sold these or what?

Funny thing is that I logged in early this morning and another one became available so I purchased, now I just don't know if I will get it if you guys are not able to receive.

Please let me know when and if received from LA

[LargeAngels]

It went out of stock a few hours later, then popped back up twice!.......

I saw the same thing. Right after I ordered mine it disappeared and then popped up again, and then again.

[michael_cb_125]

Some sort of Error on the website?

Bluezoo still has these fish "in-stock", live aquaria should have them as well, since these are all the same batch of fish.

~Michael

[maoiwowie]

Brian... The blueline looks like it arrived in great condition, but is it eating immediately? What are you feeding it?

[minhvu]

Bluezoo just got the 1.5''-2'' on sale. I couldn't resist, had to get one

[maoiwowie]

Just got my notice that mine wont be shipping either... ***? Called and they had no answer as to when these might be filled. Hmmmm... how do those BZ ones look?

[stunreefer]

Great looking little BL! Will be fun to watch it change coloration.

Sorry to hear about the DF&S issues guys, that's very odd...

[michael_cb_125]

Yeah!!! I am not used to this!! Shape up LA~ ;)

~Michael

[dkirchoff]

Bluezoo is still showing them in stock and on sale !
....tempting.....
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=154&cid=8

I dont see anything on live aquaria....

[flying53brian]

maoiwowie:
She was picking at the live rock and copepods by end of last night but was not eating anything else that I could see. Tonight will try Spirulina Brine.

I hope LA works this out because like I stated earlier I bought another one and called today to verify shipment since I had not received my normal email confirmation showing it shipped yet, but they confirmed it did go out.

Will keep my fingers crossed!

Good Luck everone

[dohc97]

Gorgeous fish, if the online sources dried up i just got an old town aquarium(chicago) email stating they have blue line juvies, i know they will ship for people interested.

[maoiwowie]

Brian... I picked up a 3in. Blueline from the DD that arrived yesterday. Looks great but is really shy. Hasnt eaten yet as well, but i havent tried feeding it much either. Hopefully they will ship the Juvi to me soon.

[flameangel88]

Bluezoo is still showing them in stock and on sale !
....tempting.....
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=154&cid=8



As of 10:30pm they are showing 12 left on the 1.5-2" and 3 left on 2-3". Never had a problem in the past with their real-time inventory system and I trust I'll be getting one next Tuesday.

[flying53brian]

flameangel88:
Glad to hear you are getting one, where and how do you check real time inventory? Is this from LA or Blue Zoo you bought from?

The 2nd one I had purchased and was assured I would receive Friday from LA just got cancelled due to delay of some sort. Kinda bummed but was skeptical after hearing of the issues others were delayed and then posted again as available.

I am right down the street from Blue Zoo and may just drive over their Friday and get 2nd one.

[flameangel88]

flameangel88:
Glad to hear you are getting one, where and how do you check real time inventory? Is this from LA or Blue Zoo you bought from?



Brian--to insure that I'll be getting a juv (1.5-2") BL I placed a order with BZ. Also sending you a PM.

If LA's order comes through I'll have 2 juvs.

[flameangel88]

I am right down the street from Blue Zoo and may just drive over their Friday and get 2nd one.

If you decide to buy one there see to it you get a bottle of the BZ Mix (flakes and pellets) which comes in 4oz or 8oz. I had a bottle for a while and didn't think much of it till I got a 2" Goldflake from them which only ate that food the first couple of weeks till I mixed in other food. I think the size of the flakes and pellets is just right for a small fish. I'm getting a bottle with this order.

If you see Mark or Chris please ask them to ship one that's eating to Kevin in NJ, it's scheduled to ship on Monday. :)

[flying53brian]

Kevin,

Will do, I have dealt with Mark and Chris several times so I'll personally deliver that message for you.

Thanks for the advice too.

[flameangel88]

Kevin,

Will do, I have dealt with Mark and Chris several times so I'll personally deliver that message for you.



Thanks. Can't ask for a better messenger than a regular customer. :)

[DFS]

Greetings,
I want to apologize to the folks here who did not receive their Blueline Angelfish juveniles, as the demand for these guys was incredible. We were able to ship out a few of these spectacular little fishes that haven’t been available for many years, but unfortunately some of the batch just wasn’t up to par to ship out and we had to backorder a few of them.

We uphold some very strict standards with our fishes, and if any fish is not in 100% perfect condition we will not ship the fish out, as we do not want to pass on sub-par or potentially problematic fishes to our valued customers.

We are hoping to have a second batch of them ready to go early to mid next week so we can ship everyone's backorders at that time, and I will personally see to it that everyone here who has one on backorder is taken care of.

Thank you all for your understanding and support, and happy fishkeeping!

Cheers!

[LargeAngels]

Kevin,

Thanks, and as always great service.

Here is my order #A2727203

[flameangel88]

Kevin,

Thanks for the update. My order # is: A2727163

[flying53brian]

Thanks for the response Kevin, I glad I spoke to Mike last night and that he brought this to your attention.

Here is my Order Number: A2727489

[michael_cb_125]

My order Number is A2727196

~Michael

[AngelAddict]

Kevin,have any more? I'd love to get one but people on here are too quick!!!! I don't mind the wait, I've never ordered from you before but with your service and reputation, I need to start! A juvi blueline would be a perfect place to start!!! If I'm quick enough,I'm going to try and order the female scribbled (if its small like the others) and the Moorish idol!


For everyone that's getting one,the reef fish forum better be flooded with juvi blueline pics! :)

[maoiwowie]

Thanks Kevin... I will patiently wait for mine in spite of it being available elsewhere. I do recognize the strict rules on quality and have been a loyal customer for years now.
Order Number: A2727388

[flying53brian]

FYI,

I spoke to Israel the curator at BZ and the small ones are only eating live brine right now

[DFS]

Thank you everyone for your patience and understanding. If things work out, we should have several more available so hopefully there will be plenty of good quality juveniles for all whom desire these incredible little fish.

Cheers,

[flying53brian]

Here are a couple of new photos

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0438.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0418.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0403.jpg

And here all grown up!
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0378.jpg

Enjoy!

[minhvu]

That is a beautiful fish. Keep the pics coming

[flying53brian]

FYI,

As of today she has started eating frozen Brine shrimp with garlic.

WOOHOO!

[tpenn187]

these are awesome looking fish, are most of these purchased going into fowler tanks? how reef safe of an angel are they?

[flying53brian]

I have adult Blueline in my reef tank and it nips at the corals but well worth it to me, the small one I have now and one more will all eventually go into reef tank as well permitting the larger one allows it!

[Kahuna Tuna]

We uphold some very strict standards with our fishes, and if any fish is not in 100% perfect condition we will not ship the fish out, as we do not want to pass on sub-par or potentially problematic fishes to our valued customers.

This is why I love LA. I just picked up a meridithi angel last week and it was in perfect shape and condition and ate the first day. Kevin, I would really like to commend you on the way LA does business, this is the way all businesses should be run.

[maoiwowie]

Brian... the 3 in. adult i have just started picking at mysis for me. What does your adult eat?

[flying53brian]

Kahuna Tuna:
-I totally agree with that.

maoiwowie:
- First of all glad to hear that he is picking at Mysis!

-My large one eats anything I put in the tank including my finger if I leave it their.

-He eats right from my hand and has been a pretty model citizen, this inlcudes flake, pellets and so on. I can't believe I got him for $60 at Vivid aquariums about a year ago.

-Now waiting for the new one to come in then can start to see if the 2 small ones will get along together before adding them to the DT tank. I think that I will put the small ones in a clear floating holding tank and then at least I can see if there is any aggression from the big one.

Good Luck and happy feeding!

[jaa1456]

What is LA? my LFS had 2 small ones in today, they wanted 300.00 apiece though. That LFS is always overpriced though. How large do these angels get?

[TheH]

LA is LiveAquaria, an online aquarium fish and coral retailer.

[jaa1456]

LA is LiveAquaria, an online aquarium fish and coral retailer.Thanks

[flameangel88]

That LFS is always overpriced though. How large do these angels get?

I'd say about 7" from juv to adult in the ome aquariumh. I've one from March '09 at 4.75" and is now 6" and one from Sep '09 at 3.5" and is now 4.5".

[LargeAngels]

Mine went from 8" to 9" in one year. Haven't measured it lately so it could have grown more.

[Kahuna Tuna]

BTW thanks for the pics Brian, awesome looking fish.

[flying53brian]

Thank you Kahuna Tuna.

Oh and by the way my adult angel has grown from about 3" to 4.5" in about a year, he eats so much.

Looking to see pics from others when received.

[flameangel88]

Looking to see pics from others when received.

You've a beauty there and I can't wait to see mine. It's fun to watch them pair up. My Meredithi pair (6 & 4.5") took about 1.5 yr to settle down where the larger one stop chasing the smaller one. Hopefully the Blueline pair (6 & 4.5") will settle down soon.

[Acid Rain]

crazy cool fish will they eat corals i had a blue angel he ate alota sps and lps before i got him outta tank sucked !

[maoiwowie]

Brian... Eating with gusto today. Has taken over the tank... The new alpha-fish eats just about anything i throw in there now except nori.

[flying53brian]

You've a beauty there and I can't wait to see mine. It's fun to watch them pair up. My Meredithi pair (6 & 4.5") took about 1.5 yr to settle down where the larger one stop chasing the smaller one. Hopefully the Blueline pair (6 & 4.5") will settle down soon.

flameangel88: Thats a great compliment from such a great collector of Angels! Yeah I can't wait to start trying to add my little ones to the main tank with the Big Daddy.

[flying53brian]

Brian... Eating with gusto today. Has taken over the tank... The new alpha-fish eats just about anything i throw in there now except nori.

I am so glad to hear that, this is normally the biggest hurdle to get over next to getting along with other tank mates!

[flameangel88]

Looks like the juv is back in stock at LA. Hopefully we'll all have pictures to share very soon.

[DFS]

Greetings,
The Blueline juveniles are looking spectacular and are they are ready to go, so we are planning on shipping everyone's backorders out today for delivery tomorrow.

I can’t thank you all enough for your patience, and look forward to hearing how everyone's new arrivals settle in.

Cheers,

[LargeAngels]

Thank you Kevin

[flying53brian]

Sweet!

Thank you Kevin

[flameangel88]

that's wonderful news. Thanks for the update.

[michael_cb_125]

Awesome!!! Thanks Mr. Kevin!

~Michael

[maoiwowie]

Ill be happy when i get the your LA 'Order Shipment Confirmation!' No teasing...

[flameangel88]

I received order shipment confirmation but the description is different from the original order. The original item ordered is for an juvenile but on the shipment confirmation is for an adult--small.

Does anyone else have this problem? Hopefully I'm getting the juvenile and not a small BL.


from the shipment confirmation email:
Order Number: A2727163
Shipping Category 1: Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae

Delivery Date: 07/20/2010
FedEx Tracking Number: 44119290xxxx
Item Details:
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Small

from the order confirmation email:
Order Number: A2727163
Shipping Category 1: Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae - Ships from California
Item Details:
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) Qty: 1, Price: $199.99 each = $199.99
Subtotal: $199.99
Shipping Charges: Free!
Shipping Category 1 Sub-total: $199.99
Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae should ship on Wednesday, Jul. 14, and arrive on Thursday, Jul. 15.


On LA's website the item number has also changed for juvenile:
CN-73364 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) - Small
CN-73365 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) - Medium
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Small
CN-90074 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Medium
CN-89632 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea)- Large

[flying53brian]

I received order shipment confirmation but the description is different from the original order. The original item ordered is for an juvenile but on the shipment confirmation is for an adult--small.

Does anyone else have this problem? Hopefully I'm getting the juvenile and not a small BL.


from the shipment confirmation email:
Order Number: A2727163
Shipping Category 1: Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae

Delivery Date: 07/20/2010
FedEx Tracking Number: 44119290xxxx
Item Details:
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Small

from the order confirmation email:
Order Number: A2727163
Shipping Category 1: Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae - Ships from California
Item Details:
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) Qty: 1, Price: $199.99 each = $199.99
Subtotal: $199.99
Shipping Charges: Free!
Shipping Category 1 Sub-total: $199.99
Fish/Corals/Inverts/Tank Cleaners/Algae should ship on Wednesday, Jul. 14, and arrive on Thursday, Jul. 15.


On LA's website the item number has also changed for juvenile:
CN-73364 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) - Small
CN-73365 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Juvenile (China Sea) - Medium
CN-90077 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Small
CN-90074 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea) - Medium
CN-89632 SW - Blueline Angelfish, Adult (China Sea)- Large

Same problem and called customer service and rep tried to tell me I ordered a small adult, I did not want to argue with him so I forwarded my order that I took a screen shot of and sent to them. I hope this gets resolved because he reassured me that this was what I ordered and this was not going anywhere!

They only had a small Juvi when they became available so there was no possibility to make that mistake.

Man I hope they fix this, I also had the rep reference this thread so that he could see that others have already had this issue receiving the incorrect fish.

[flying53brian]

Check this out, I just got a reply from LA regarding this problem. Here is what they say. This is becoming unbelievable and very upsetting.

Quote:
Dear Brian,

Thank you for your email and recent order with Drs. Foster and Smith's LiveAquaria. When placing orders online we are not able to make any changes to them. Our records indicate that you placed your order online for the Small Blueline Angelfish Adult, and not the Juvenile Blueline Angelfish. Unfortunately, your order has already shipped from our facility, and we are not able to make any changes. Again, we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Thank you for choosing Drs. Foster & Smith LiveAquaria for your live aquatic needs. You are a valued customer and we look forward to hearing from you in the future.


Sincerely,

LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster & Smith
Foster and Smith Aquatics
mal

[flameangel88]

That's what I was afraid of when I was checking the Item Number which match from the shipping confirmation email and order confirmation email then noticed LA's website changed the Juvenile item number.

We all have the order confirmation email with the word 'Juvenile' on it and hope that would be enough to resove the problem. Otherwise what other proof do we have now that they changed the description?

I would give them a couple of days to see that this is not isolated cases as I'm sure there are more.

Edit:
Anyone of us can alter the email content but the proof is still on their email server when they sent out the order confirmation. My order email confirmation was dated July 13th 10:32 AM (EST).

[DFS]

Good morning,
I want to assure everyone who has ordered a Juvenile Blueline Angelfish that you will in fact be receiving a juvenile fish. Yesterday in an effort to ensure we have all of the proper sizes listed on our site for both Juveniles and Adults, the line item description for all of the backordered fishes was inadvertently changed from Juvenile to Adult.

I am very sorry for the confusion and please let me know how everyone fish arrives and settles in!

Regards,

[AngelAddict]

Ahh I want to order a blueline but I wont be home to receive it! Noooo!!!!

[LargeAngels]

Ahh I want to order a blueline but I wont be home to receive it! Noooo!!!!

You can always request it to be held at your local FedEx and you can pick it up.

[michael_cb_125]

Has anyone gotten the fish yet and acclimated them?

~Michael

[melanotaenia]

Good morning,
I want to assure everyone who has ordered a Juvenile Blueline Angelfish that you will in fact be receiving a juvenile fish. Yesterday in an effort to ensure we have all of the proper sizes listed on our site for both Juveniles and Adults, the line item description for all of the backordered fishes was inadvertently changed from Juvenile to Adult.

I am very sorry for the confusion and please let me know how everyone fish arrives and settles in!

Regards,

This would have been better handled if this information was disseminated to the customer service persons speaking to the buyers of these fish instead of on a forum such as this.

[LargeAngels]

I got mine and it is being acclimated.

As Kevin assured it is a juvenile and in perfect condition. And, boy, was it shipped with a lot of water!!

Thanks Kevin,

[jmaneyapanda]

This would have been better handled if this information was disseminated to the customer service persons speaking to the buyers of these fish instead of on a forum such as this.

I knew you'd come up with something like this. Yeah, we know, you hate DFSLA. And were all sheep for buying fish from them.

You're right, it wouldve been better if all the operators knew every last detail about the fish. But they dont. This was a technical error that was corrected, and NO ONE will be inconvenienced at all by it, in any way, but somehow, you need to get your jab in at DFSLA.

I applaud DFSLA and Kevin Kohen, for coming here to RC to address it, for filling all the backorders (which SO MANY online stores wont do), and for putting people at ease about this issue.

Maybe you should start an online site for livestock that corrects all these horrific situations that DFSLA puts us in.

:thumbdown

[melanotaenia]

see post above; email sent to customer clearly shows lack of information about the fish by customer service reps, that could have easily been disseminated to the customer service reps via a simple email from Kevin or another manager at LA. This would have alleviated the problems several on here have about the correct fish they are getting.

This is simply good business practice.

[jmaneyapanda]

see post above; email sent to customer clearly shows lack of information about the fish by customer service reps, that could have easily been disseminated to the customer service reps via a simple email from Kevin or another manager at LA. This would have alleviated the problems several on here have about the correct fish they are getting.

This is simply good business practice.



See above. Problem seems to be first noted HERE in the forums. Customer Service reps work off the information they are given. In this case, there was a technical error which changed the naming on a item code. Apparently the customer service reps are supposed know its a problem, and been informed of the problem before the problem occured? Within less than 12 hours of the original issue of concern, the DIRECTOR of the company makes a public posts explaining what happened, explaining there wont be an issue, and somehow this isnt good enough for you? Thats absurd. Live Aquaria is a large company. Likely the largest online livestock retailer in the USA. And expecting every customer service agent they have to be 100% up speed with everything the Director is up to speed on IMMEDIATELY is patently absurd.

Like I said, who is inconvenienced by this? Who is having an issue? You, and I assume you didnt even order one.

[LargeAngels]

I don't have a problem. Kevin assured me he would send a juvi blueline as soon as quality specimens arrive and that is exactly what I got. I'm very satisfied.

[michael_cb_125]

I have no issues either. I have the fish, and Kevin did as he said he would.

melanotaenia- did you even order a fish from LA? If not, then this thread is of no use to you. And your comments are of no use to us!

~Michael

[melanotaenia]

I have no issues either. I have the fish, and Kevin did as he said he would.

melanotaenia- did you even order a fish from LA? If not, then this thread is of no use to you. And your comments are of no use to us!

~Michael

I have ordered plenty of fish from LA over the years, so I don't have to defend myself against you, or anybody else on this thread.

This is simply poor business practice. A simple distribution email to customer service representatives would have solved this problem. And it is the responsibility of the company to ensure the reps are up to date on everything they are talking about. And this is not patently absurd by any means.

I did not order a Juvenile Blueline.

[Iwishihadgills]

waiting for some pics! :)

[jmaneyapanda]

I have ordered plenty of fish from LA over the years, so I don't have to defend myself against you, or anybody else on this thread.

This is simply poor business practice. A simple distribution email to customer service representatives would have solved this problem. And it is the responsibility of the company to ensure the reps are up to date on everything they are talking about. And this is not patently absurd by any means.

I did not order a Juvenile Blueline.

IT IS patently absurd, because you are saying all this as if you KNOW that Kevin Kohen had this information that this happened, knew about it all along, and just decided to not tell the customer service reps. When, quite obviously, from his statement, the change was made, and it wasnt ntoiced it was a problem until after the issues that arose here.

If it "is simply poor business practice", then you should NEVER do business with any company ever again. With there awful business practices of not resolving porblems before they know about them. With making sure that all the customers get exactly what they want. Wow! That is shocking! Im shocked.

:mtool:

[skibum9884]

I'll second what everyone else is saying here. I think LA (and Kevin Kohen) have been upfront an honest with everything regarding this issue. While I agree not everything always goes as smoothly as you or I would like, we have to remember the product type we're dealing with here. This is not the Gap, or Amazon, these are live creatures constantly going in and out of stock in all different sizes and each with their own slight differences (size, temperament, health, coloration, etc, etc).

I think LA does a fantastic job keeping their customer base happy, but melanotaenia just cannot be satisfied by them. I think the health of the livestock is second to none (especially from DD), and while you may pay a bit of a premium over your LFS (and not much at that), the 14-day guarantee is in my eyes insurance worth the small premium!

If someone thinks they can do better, I invite you to start your own business.

[ccampbell57]

Melonotaenia your comments are 99% useless. Do you understand the extent that DFS and LA go to in order to ensure that ALL people that order through them have a great experience? Can you tell me another company you have ordered from where the managing director personally took care of your order and responded without hesitation?

Kevin and LA care about their customers and it shows. It is obvious that you are never going to be happy. I have made previous notes to the RC hierarchy about your negative prescense but I think there may be time for another look.

If you bought a juvinile gluelike and received something different then please continue your rant. If not, the just enjoy the pictures and keep your negative LA slander out of the thread. Action will be taken if you do not respect the forums and the information within.

[jnc914]

:confused:

Came here to see all the pics of the juvi Bluelines set to be delivered today, only to be bombarded with the same rhetoric by the usual suspects.....Can we halt the attacks and commence with the pictures?

[jnc914]

If you bought a juvinile gluelike and received something different then please continue your rant.

:eek1:

Chris--Is this a new species of angel I don't know about? LOL.

[jmaneyapanda]

:eek1:

Chris--Is this a new species of angel I don't know about? LOL.

For realz Campbell. I thought my typing was bad!

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/127740/919427.jpg

[LargeAngels]

If it was Chris would probably already have one in QT.

[ccampbell57]

Ah yes the "gluelike" angel. If you have one you are stoked for sure.

[ccampbell57]

Jeremy - our typing is bad because we do it with our knuckles.

[jmaneyapanda]

Jeremy - our typing is bad because we do it with our knuckles.

Very true, my cro-magnon friend. Very true.

[DFS]

see post above; email sent to customer clearly shows lack of information about the fish by customer service reps, that could have easily been disseminated to the customer service reps via a simple email from Kevin or another manager at LA. This would have alleviated the problems several on here have about the correct fish they are getting.

This is simply good business practice.

melanotaenia,
You are absolutely correct, and if I was actually aware that one of my staff had made the error with the SKU's for this species, I surely would have taken the proper steps to disseminate the information to our customer service representatives and LiveAquaria supervisor to avoid any confusion. Unfortunately however, the first moment I was aware that there even was an issue, was when I turned on my PC this morning to read about it here on Reef Central over coffee from my home office.

I am not one to make excuses, and people can and do make mistakes as we are only human. What I can and have done however is analyze what transpired, and implement a set of specific guidelines and procedures to avoid making the same mistake in the future, so we can move forward in a positive direction and provide the best possible service to our valued customers.

Once again, I want to apologize for the inconvenience to everyone who purchased a juvenile Blueline Angelfish, and am happy that we were able to provide these fishes to fill everyone's backorder with the correct fish. Please keep the pictures coming!

Lastly, its very refreshing for all of our hard working and dedicated staff here at Drs. Foster and Smith to read so many posts with such positive comments and support from most everyone. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to comment about the level of care and service we provide as we all really appreciate it!

Sincerely,

[maoiwowie]

These are two Bluelines that i purchased from LA these past 2 weeks. The 3.25in adult is from the DD, and the 2in juvi, that was received today was from the CC. I do not quarantine for disease from reputable sources like LA. After acclimation, i threw the Juvi in with the adult. There is some posturing but not much damage. I figured better get them together before the adult really establishes territory. As you can see, the juvi is not much bigger than my chromis.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2636&pictureid=18364
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2636&pictureid=18365
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2636&pictureid=18366

[flying53brian]

maoiwowie, those are awesome shots of yours, I received my second one today and will acclimate her with the other little one then try them all together with big brother. Sweet tank too!

[melanotaenia]

Thanks Kevin for the response. I have never doubted the quality or service of LiveAquaria and this just proves my point.

It is too bad others on this board cannot be more mature about these topics.

Best of luck to all who acquire one of these beauties, and coming from LA I am sure they will be in great health.

If I had the room I would have my name on this shipping list as well :)

Cheers

[melanotaenia]

Maoiwowi those look great!!

[jmaneyapanda]

Thanks Kevin for the response. I have never doubted the quality or service of LiveAquaria and this just proves my point.

It is too bad others on this board cannot be more mature about these topics.

Best of luck to all who acquire one of these beauties, and coming from LA I am sure they will be in great health.

If I had the room I would have my name on this shipping list as well :)

Cheers


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn205/jmaneyapanda/exploding-head.gif

Unreal. You have never doubted the service of LA? What have you done this ENTIRE thread? And how much have you derided customers of LA?

And, in my eyes, in reading Kevin's response, he more or less reaffirms that he didnt do a THING you accused him of.

It is too bad that some people cant be mature on these topics. Sponsors such as DFSLA deserve support, not unfounded criticism, from certain people.

[flameangel88]

Received my orders today and what a beauty I got from LA. After placing the order I emailed LA requesting a specimen close to 2" as much as possible and that's exactly what they shipped to me. I also ordered one from BZ after getting the back order email as I really wanted a juv and not miss out on it. This was the description from the order confirmation email from BZ: Blue Line Angelfish, Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis, Small: over 1.5-2", Indo Pacific. What I received was more like 2.5"+.

Lets go right to the pictures:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6518.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6521.jpg

Water from both bags was cool to the touch and both fish was alert and swimming in the bag.

LA (L) & BZ (R)
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6522.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6523.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6525.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6526.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6527.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/New%20Addition/DSC_6531.jpg

[dohc97]

Both of them look great, tried any food yet?
thinking of pulling the trigger on one from blue zoo after seeing juvies in person at old town aquarium. Lets just say im trying to decide between liveaquaria and blue zoo, there is a price difference but i dont know if liveaquaria reputation trumps the price.

[tang56]

Beautiful fish. Can't wait to get mine from LA!

[flameangel88]

Thanks. No, I didn't feed them yet as I've the lights off so they can settle in. I'm not going to worry about them on eating prepared food yet as the tank has algae and pods to go around for the short term. All I want to see the next couple of days is that they swim normal and acclimate to their new environment.

[flying53brian]

Great looking fish flameangel88!

I just added my 1st little one into the main DT and she seems very happy in there and swimming around all over already.

The big one has seen her but not bothered her at all, hope this stays that way. All in all what an incredible matchup.

I hope the 2nd little one is accepted as well once acclimated, will post pics tomorrow that I took tonight of her swimming around a specking out her surroundings. Oh, and she eats like a pig. Brine shrimp and mysis.

Good Luck to all and can't wait to see more pics!

[flameangel88]

Thanks Brian.

With the lights on this morning the smaller BL (LA) is definitely not shy and swimming all over nipping on rocks. So far the bigger BL (BZ) is trying not to confront with the smaller but feisty little gal.

[jmaneyapanda]

Very nice fish, guys! Almost makes me wish I had got one.

Not to sidetrack the thread, but is any QTing these guys? I know some people, or are dead set against it, but I am a little awestruck to see people just putting in the display.

[michael_cb_125]

Mine is in QT with her Banks Buddy, I plan on two months of QT before they hit the DT. I cant risk my pair of bandits.

~Michael

[LargeAngels]

Mine's in QT.

[jnc914]

Great pics gentlemen, they look like very healthy specimens. They make me miss my old pair of Bluelines. They are a great fish.

[jmaneyapanda]

Mine's in QT.

Mine is in QT with her Banks Buddy, I plan on two months of QT before they hit the DT. I cant risk my pair of bandits.

~Michael

Well, that eases me a bit. Thanks guys.

[euod]

New addition in QT
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/euod/blueline/IMG_0278.jpg

The good old boy here will probably have two other joining him.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/euod/blueline/IMG_0285.jpg

[maoiwowie]

So what is everybody's Juvi eating? The squabbling between my pair has completely stopped and now both are swimming freely picking at rocks. The adult eats aggressively, but the Juvi didnt eat for its first feeding consisting of mysis. Brian is yours still just feeding on live brine?

[tang56]

A picture of mine. Recieved today from LA. only worry is that my whitecheek tang is chasing him/her quite alot. should i worry to much?

[flying53brian]

Brian is yours still just feeding on live brine?

She is eating all frozen Brine and Mysis now diligently, I have been mixing flake and pellets with selcon and Garlic in the mix so that she will hopefully it non-frozenn foods soon.

[TylerHaworth]

Seeing these beauties makes me wish I had a large enough FO tank!

[Sheol]

Someday, I WILL get my big, dream Reef & have something really stunning like these guys in it. Someday...

Matthew

[maoiwowie]

Thanks Brian... Ill give it a few more days before i get concerned.

[flameangel88]

More pictures

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6536.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6551.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6556.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6559.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6566.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6568.jpg

2 of their tankmates
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6545.jpg

[flameangel88]

Video--sorry for the crappy vid from cell

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/?action=view&current=Video0013.mp4

[flying53brian]

All I can say is SWEET!

The little ones sure seem like aggressive eaters once they become acclimated don't they?

Kinda lazy tonight but will post more pics soon.

[Iwishihadgills]

Love the pics! But i gotta say i loved the bluelines before they were cool. ;)

[roktsintst]

Awesome pics kevin! They look great!

[flameangel88]

Thanks. Looking forward to see more pictures/videos from others.

Did anyone get a BL under 1.5"? Would love to see some pix of them.

[euod]

Not sure on the size yet but here ya go:

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/euod/blueline/DSC_20531.jpg

[skibum9884]

Looking great guys. It's good to see these juvenile fish entering the trade!

[Iwishihadgills]

euod- That looks tiny!

[flying53brian]

Not sure on the size yet but here ya go:

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/euod/blueline/DSC_20531.jpg

Real nice looking, I think the smallest one yet I have seen. Congratulations euod!

[flying53brian]

Here is a small video shot from phone of the first little one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ajnBIJfm0

[flameangel88]

euod--looks really nice and small.


Had to go out and get a smaller one.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6574.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6579.jpg

[euod]

I hear you. Nice catch. Congrats on your school of bluelines. Let us know if they should shoal for you. Lol

[flameangel88]

I hear you. Nice catch. Congrats on your school of bluelines. Let us know if they should shoal for you. Lol

Lol. I'll be happy if they don't kill each other. I'll update over the weekend.

The other two has settled in quite well.

Here's the new gal
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6592.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6594.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6610.jpg

[flying53brian]

So Kevin,

How many does that make now? There aren't many more to buy I would think. LOL

For everyone that has posted here we should just about have all that were available. It was like a frenzy!

Really enjoy the pics from everone.

Thanks

[flameangel88]

After seeing how vibrant the smaller juv BLs are so when I saw this one on the wysiwyg section listed at 1.5" I grabbed right away. It would be nice to watch these 3 growing up the next couple of years. So far the bigger one has ignored the 2 smaller ones and the med one is still chasing the new one occasionally as of this morning. I haven't seen them eat prepared food yet but they are all nipping on the LRs.

You're right the supply has pretty much dried up. Look forward to seeing everyone's new addition and experiences here.

[dohc97]

So you are the one who bought that juvi i wanted on bluezoo, I bought one from the regular fish section and even though he still has some of the juvi coloration he is pushing 2.5". I have a question im sure someone can answer, how did such a big batch come in? in my time in the hobby i had never seen that many bls available at the same time. I was able to see 2 juvis in person at my lfs and wait out a couple days to buy one from an online retailer.

[flameangel88]

So you are the one who bought that juvi i wanted on bluezoo, I bought one from the regular fish section and even though he still has some of the juvi coloration he is pushing 2.5". I have a question im sure someone can answer, how did such a big batch come in? in my time in the hobby i had never seen that many bls available at the same time. I was able to see 2 juvis in person at my lfs and wait out a couple days to buy one from an online retailer.

Yes, I got the smaller one (listed at 1.5"). When I got home and saw the email I was surprised that it was still available along with the 2" specimen. I don't trust the listed size anymore but I trust the picture posted (wysiwyg section) and it has the nice juv color). The price was definitely right so there was no hesitation on my part to get it. LA still have them with size between 1 1/2 - 2 1/8.

I've never seen so many BL at one time let along juv size so I'm very happy with the purchases.

[dohc97]

I hear you on being happy, even though i did not get a complete juvi im more than satisfied and for the price i had to take a chance, at the usual $300 and up i was hesitant to try. Im going to try frozen mysis tonight when i get home and see how that goes, otherwise ill hatch some brine.

[Kahuna Tuna]

I couldn't resist and picked up a juvie BL from LA, she's been in the 60 gallon refugium since Wednesday. Its been nearly 48 hours since she came out of the bag and today was her grand appearance. She had been in hiding in her rock and algae palace and just content to peep out at me until today when she ventured forth! Still very shy but in magnificent shape, nice job Kevin, she ate some mysis and nibbled live rock and macro.

Shes about 2 1/4 inches, nice and plump and not a mark on her. I will try and get a pic but its hard in the refugium. This sure was a nice bunch of fish for the price and I am glad I got one.

[flameangel88]

Kahuna, congrat on getting a nice juv BL and hope to see some pix soon. I'm pretty sure she'll come out and be swimming in the open in no time. All 3 of mine came out in the open after couple of hours acclimation and I've an aggressive Coral Beauty in there. All 3 BLs held their own very well.


Now that I got a chance to sit back and looked over the pictures to determine the sizes of the 3 BLs I think the juv color phase out between 2.5-2.75". Can anyone confirm this?

Tip to tip 1 7/8"
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6574.jpg

This one is about 3/8" larger so my guess is 2 1/4"
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6559.jpg

The largest is about 1/2" bigger than the med one so my guess is 2 3/4"
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6551.jpg

After watching them the last couple of days I noticed they can hold their own very well just as the adult BLs and the larger one ate a ric with 7 polyps overnight all by herself. So watch out! So far they didn't touch any zoa yet.

[euod]

Yes at 2.5 " they start to phase out. The 3" face is outstanding.

[flying53brian]

Kevin,

Hows the aggression between the two smaller ones you have? I have noticed that the large one doesnt' even pay attention to the small ones. The two little ones continue to go at it through out the day.

The first of the little ones I introduced to the DT tank is the one picking on the newest entry.

Here are some pic's of the newest and a few of them all.

Newest One
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0603.jpg

Both Little Ones
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0627.jpg

Both
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0628.jpg

New One
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk206/flying53brian/DSC_0602.jpg

[flameangel88]

Brian,

The largest one doesn't pay any attention to the 2 smaller ones but the medium one does chases the samllest. I consider this normal behavior as their sizes are too close. I've two short video I just took and let me know if you would consider that normal.

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/?action=view&current=Video0015.mp4

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/?action=view&current=Video0016.mp4

[flying53brian]

Does look pretty normal to me and like that they will work out the order, I need to monitor mine a couple more days. Seems to be a little more aggressive on this end.

Maybe this will dye down soon or else I will be sitting up with fishing line and a beer waiting to drop the trap door in my fish catcher!

Very interesting setup you have there Kevin, like that a lot.

[flying53brian]

Well it's amazing how fast things can change, the two little ones have worked it out, ay least for now their is no chasing around. I am really glad for this as I thought maybe I owuld have to add the smaller one to my LPS tank as a loner.

Will monitor still. Hopefully all good now!

[flameangel88]

I'm pretty sure they'll be able work things out on their own in due time. BLs are pretty much like Meredithi, aggressive but knows when to run for cover. My BL pair been together for always a year now and the smaller one still gets chase around but my Meredithi pair been together close to 2 years now and the larger on stopped chasing the smaller one few months back.

The new batch are currently in a 120g sump that I purchased from a local reefer in anticipation of my DT upgrade but various projects has taken longer and more costly to complete that the tank upgrade isn't likely going to happen this year. The sump came with 150lb of LRs with various corals and I added some frags also. It's equipped with a 4300 ghp ext pump for circulation and I think it may be a bit too strong for little ones as they tend to rest on the base rock side where the filter sock normally goes. I also had to add a drop-in chiller to cool the tank even though this tank is in the basement as we are having record 90+ degree days here.

[LargeAngels]

It's hard to measure as they are constantly swimming, but the smallest one is less than 1.75" It has 5 blue stripes across the middle. Bigger one is about 2 1/4 -2 1/2" and looks like a mini adult. Smallest one is devouring Hikari small mysis and live brine. Big one will eat some mysis and loves live brine. No issues with the two. I'll try and get some pics. Hikari small mysis is a great food for smaller and finicky fish. Many of my smaller fish like it after they have been chopped up into smaller pieces by a power head.

[euod]

Yep, it is hard to measure them once they are in the tank. I usually measure and take pics after acclimating.

Over the weekend I ran into this guy and guess what I said?

"Bag em' Danno!"

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/euod/Hybrid%20Lori/IMG_0297.jpg

2" over all.

[flying53brian]

LargeAngels, Nice to see that yours are starting to eat, you are right about them swimming all over, they are always on the move picking at the liverock and stuff.

euod, Nice grab there. I see that they have a juvi coming up today in the divers den.

Keep the pics coming!

[melanotaenia]

There is a 2" one at the store next to me. Very personable and active even when small.

[flameangel88]

It's really nice to see the juv triggling down to the lfs level where the buyer gets a chance to see it before buying. For the past year I see prices have come down quite a bit from the lfs in order to compete with online vendors to survive so I would think you're not going to pay that much of a premium.

Is this the largest batch of BLs (especially juv and small) make it to the states?

[LargeAngels]

LFS by me got in a 2.5" juvi.

[maoiwowie]

Its been close to 2 weeks and my Juvi doesnt seem to be eating anything i drop in the tank. She does pick incessantly at the live rock but has no clue about the floating morsels of live baby brine, frozen mysis and adult brine. My adult eats everything and anything including snail poop. Anyone else have this problem?

[euod]

It usually takes this long. Mine are nipping the rocks and I have flooded the tank w/ Rods, live worms, and mysis. I think my larger one is eating a little now, but the smaller ones are not eating yet.

[tang56]

I am having this same problem, it just picks off the rocks. Allthough it has picked at mysis and shredded nori, then it seems to "chew" it then spits it out...

[copps]

An exciting time with all the juvi bluelines! It's been years! Here's my little guy in a 5 1/2 gallon QT with a flame/rusty Centropyge hybrid and a tiny flavoguttatus anthias... :)

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx114/johnjcoppolino/th_blueline-1.jpg (http://s747.photobucket.com/albums/xx114/johnjcoppolino/?action=view&current=blueline-1.mp4)

Copps

[jmaneyapanda]

An exciting time with all the juvi bluelines! It's been years! Here's my little guy in a 5 1/2 gallon QT with a flame/rusty Centropyge hybrid and a tiny flavoguttatus anthias... :)

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx114/johnjcoppolino/th_blueline-1.jpg (http://s747.photobucket.com/albums/xx114/johnjcoppolino/?action=view&current=blueline-1.mp4)

Copps

What the EFF is that? Even *I* take better pics than that!!!

[euod]

Great pics; looks like mine! Actually I have the same two guys in qt, too. Aren't they the charms?

[flameangel88]

Nipping on rocks is a good sign they're hungry and eating. Mine didn't start taking frozen till about the 4th day and it was only nipping and spitting. Took 2 more days then they starting to eat well and another couple of days the 2 larger BLs started eating flakes and pellets.

All 3 are getting along pretty well now.

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/?action=view&current=Video0029.mp4

[copps]

What the EFF is that? Even *I* take better pics than that!!!

It's a video... click on it! :spin3:

[flying53brian]

All 3 of mine are getting along great now and the 2 little ones are eating flake food and frozen brine and mysis aggresively.

It's funny that the adult doesn't even give them the time of day but the little ones frolic around together every once in awhile

Thanks LA and Kevin for a great pair of fish. Just incredible!

I hope that everone's do well and best of luck!

[jmaneyapanda]

It's a video... click on it! :spin3:

Yeah, I know. I think I saw this in there though...
http://kellebelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/loch-ness-monster2.jpg

:jester:

[LemonLemon]

isit blue line season? seeing alot and i mean, ALOT, of these juveniles in some of my LFS.

been sooo long since i saw them! so cute.
http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=141830

[LargeAngels]

My two juvies are eating Hikari mysis and live brine like crazy. Smallest one now looks like it swallowed a pea.

Those that are having problems how much flow do you have in the tank? I have lots of flow which seems to encourage them as the food goes by them real fast and they get very excited and chase the food.

[maoiwowie]

Lots of flow, lots of floating carcass... just no hits. You figure the juvi would learn from the adult. Well i guess its a matter of time. Im not scared yet of it perishing. Still healthy and eating pods...

[Sheol]

Wow, where are all these BLs coming from? Its like a floodgate opened somewhere & here they came. But that is a good thing really! I love all these little guys & they have me wishing for my bigger tank, which refuses to materialize...

Matthew

[jnc914]

isit blue line season? seeing alot and i mean, ALOT, of these juveniles in some of my LFS.

been sooo long since i saw them! so cute.
http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=141830

When I got my pair a couple years back I actually got them in December '08, which I was informed by the collector that it was rare for such small size adults (2.5" & 3") to be available for collection. However I was told that typically smaller adult Bluelines are more common to the US market in the spring and juvies in the middle of the summer...so yes, technically it is the "season" for Bluelines.

[jnc914]

Yeah, I know. I think I saw this in there though...
http://kellebelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/loch-ness-monster2.jpg

:jester:

:lolspin:

[skibum9884]

Here's my new guy:

The pic that LA took:
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/lg-0727101-070.jpg

My Picture shortly after arrival and acclimation on Saturday:
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/SN150678.jpg

And a quick video (if I can get this to work):
http://s594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/?action=view&current=SN150680.mp4

[skibum9884]

I'll try and put it inline here:
http://s594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/?action=view&current=SN150680.mp4

Also, no need to worry, there is a bit of PVC pipe and a large sponge in QT with the little guy (~2.5").

[roktsintst]

What size is that one David?

[skibum9884]

Ryan,

It's just about 2.5" I wonder how long it'll still have it's juvenile yellow stripe. Seems like it's already fading out. Eats like a pig already. Loves Hykari Mysis and I'm going to get him on pellet/flake ASAP.

[roktsintst]

Awesome!!!

Will you treat it w/ prazi/copper?

Also, what tank is it going in and w/ what tankmates?

[skibum9884]

It will be getting prazi/copper. It is going into an SPS dominated Elos System 70 for now (I'm not one for "rules" of what is reef safe). Tankmates will be a pair of Joculators and possibly some Red Spot Cardinals (I had a bunch previously, but unfortunately lost all of them to unknown reasons).

Obviously this will not be a permanent home for these guys. I'm going to upgrade to an Elos 120xl or maybe even 160xl sometime in the next 1-1.5 years.

[michael_cb_125]

Nice Fish David!!

Mine is doing very well in the QT with her buddies. She is eating Flake, Mysis and Rods Veg.
I will try to get pictures up as soon as I can. Mine is very small, and the blue stripes only show up when I use flash or when she is in the right lighting. I would venture to guess that she is right at 1.5"

~Michael

[melanotaenia]

great score David!!! Keep us updated on progress..

[skibum9884]

I will certainly keep you all updated.

Michael, I think we need to see some pictures of your little girl! 1.5" is TINY! I know there were issues with getting that fish, glad everything worked out. AAAAAND, as you said, I should pick a BL up, as it'll force me to upgrade soon! Glad I did :)

[LargeAngels]

Here are the best pics I could get.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1381&pictureid=18863

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1381&pictureid=18864

[skibum9884]

Beautiful Pair! How are they getting along?

[LargeAngels]

They get along great. I'm waiting to see what happens when the little one looses its juvi colors.

[roktsintst]

Sick Pair!

Well, I just got this guy in from LA. Man I had no idea she would be this small! Im stoaked!!!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/JNye/Ryan/2010-08-03101850.jpg

[flying53brian]

Awesome little fish guy's, they are also pretty boisterous aren't they? Of the two little one's I have the 1st introduced one seems a bit more outgoing.

[michael_cb_125]

Terrible Pictures But Here She Is:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t118/michael_cb_125/SANY0682.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t118/michael_cb_125/SANY0682.jpg

She is a tiny little fish. BTW, I managed to get the blue lines to show up, normally they are very difficult to see.

~Michael

[flying53brian]

Wow Michael!

Still has the nice deep yellow bar behind the eye too, for some reason the yellow seems to be fading pretty fast on mine 1 of the two I bought had deeper yellow because I think that she was smaller but even she is losing that beautiful yellow bar.

[michael_cb_125]

Thanks Brian!

~Michael

[flameangel88]

The yellow on the 2 1/4" is fading fast but the 1 7/8" is still retaining the yellow very well. I can't believe how fast the yellow faded so enjoy it and snap those pics away while it's still there.

Good news is that the smallest one is eating flakes and pellets as well now and that makes multiple feedings much easier.

[jaa1456]

I need to post the pic but I found one yesterday that is about 1" total length, It is all Black with a very bright yellow stripe and tail. They want 180 for it, but my tank is not ready for it yet. I'm sure it will be gone by the end of the month. Pic will be up thursday when I get back

[flying53brian]

And where might that be located? I promise I won't try to buy it:spin3:

[sullyfish]

I just found this thread and great pics !

is the blue line angel reef safe ? if not what corals are not compatible ? I just got n this thread so if this was covered on an earlier page I apologize. Great looking fish but I was under the impression angels were not reef safe.

Thanks

[Dejavu]

I just found this thread and great pics !

is the blue line angel reef safe ? if not what corals are not compatible ? I just got n this thread so if this was covered on an earlier page I apologize. Great looking fish but I was under the impression angels were not reef safe.

Thanks

As with all angels there is always a chance. I have had a 4" blueline in my reef and it has yet to pick on any corals. That doesn't mean it won't ;).

[jaa1456]

And where might that be located? I promise I won't try to buy it:spin3:Well seeing how
I will not be ready for it, it is at reef encounters in NJ, they have that tiny 1" and a 2-3" there also, that one is changing colors already.

[bradleyj]

I also picked up this little guy from D/D last week.
I had him in my acclimation box for three days and no problems, but last saturday morning I turned him loose and all hell broke loose. I've only been seeing him at night after lights out the last few days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/tileman/009-25.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/tileman/017-19.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/tileman/002-22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/tileman/010-22.jpg

[Dejavu]

What happened Bradley?

[bradleyj]

Well, everything was fine and then my purple tang decided to let him know who is the boss of the tank. But I'm used to that, he teaches all the newbies who's boss. Then my jocs decided to get in on the fun. They chased him around and then my regal decided to help. I felt helpless watching, and turned the lights off to let things cool down.
Now he only comes out when the lights are off and everyone else has gone to bed. He looks good and is picking the rocks and eating, so I'm hoping with time the others will except him. Keeping fingers crossed.

[Dejavu]

Hope things work out. I'm hoping to pair mine soon and hope it goes well.

[bradleyj]

I'm sure it will, seeing yours is one of the reasons I was inspired to get one.

[roktsintst]

Very nice addition Brad!

Hopefully everything calms down soon...

[bradleyj]

Thanks Ryan. I don't think my tank ever calms down. LOL

[euod]

Glad to see you jumped on one Brad. Looks great in your reef.

[flying53brian]

Sorry to hear that Bradley, sure looks good in that nice looking reef tank. I hope things work out for you.

-jaa1456,
Thanks but I don't have any more room. But what a score that would be!

[jaa1456]

Yea me too lol. I know it will be gone by then as I have told a few local reefers about it. Would love to see that fish grow up from a true juvenile state.

[flameangel88]

Look how fast the yellow faded on the 2 1/4 BL

7/21
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6536.jpg

today
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6674.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6787.jpg

while the 1 7/8" still retaining the yellow
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6784.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/DSC_6785.jpg

[skibum9884]

WOW!!!! He really did change fast! I better get some good shots of my little guy this weekend before he goes and changes too. They look pretty similar in size.

[jaa1456]

Heres the pics I took of that little guy as promised. Wish my tank was ready and I would have picked him up.

[Dejavu]

Here mine that I received Friday Juvenile Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis. She smaller then a half dollar and just a bit bigger the a quarter :D.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/009-4.jpg

I plan to pair it someday with this one :D.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/012-1.jpg

[SDguy]

Just saw two of these cute little guys at a LFS this morning. Wow!

[flying53brian]

That big one Brian looks ready to accept her.LOL

I lost the smallest one of mine, came home last night and there was a tag hanging on the door saying they did a meter upgrade and I came in and one ofmy tanks that was housing the little guys the pump did not start back up when they brought the power back up. I was so bummed becasue I had spoke to SCE regarding this and asked that they let me know so that I could schedule to be there when this took place and they had assured me this would not happen till mid September.

Anyway I better start looking for another small one soon while they are still available.

Take care of those cool looking little fish everone.

[euod]

Sorry to hear about that. Hope you get another small one; I checked DD yesterday, and they still have them.

[Dejavu]

That big one Brian looks ready to accept her.LOL

I lost the smallest one of mine, came home last night and there was a tag hanging on the door saying they did a meter upgrade and I came in and one ofmy tanks that was housing the little guys the pump did not start back up when they brought the power back up. I was so bummed becasue I had spoke to SCE regarding this and asked that they let me know so that I could schedule to be there when this took place and they had assured me this would not happen till mid September.

Anyway I better start looking for another small one soon while they are still available.

Take care of those cool looking little fish everone.

It will be a loooong time before these get pair :).

LA still has them. They were on sale last week when I got mine but looks like the sale is over.

[flameangel88]

Brian,

Sorry for your loss. Check ReefHotSpot and they have the 2-2.5" on sale. Contact Max for the smallest one they have.

Kevin

[flying53brian]

Kevin,

That's funny you recommended Max, I just called him and spoke about that one because they are right down the street from me also deifinitely have my eye :hmm5:on her.

[flying53brian]

Sorry to hear about that. Hope you get another small one; I checked DD yesterday, and they still have them.

Thanks Euod and Brian

[jaa1456]

Sorry to hear that brian, Where do you live or should I say in what state? That little guy in my pics is still avaliable I hear.

[flying53brian]

jaa1456

I live in Long Beach, CA. If I was closer I would check it out, as Kevin stated earlier I will probably drive over to see Max tomorrow morning, have some new corals I am interested in also.

Best regards to all,
Brian

[flameangel88]

I will probably drive over to see Max tomorrow morning, have some new corals I am interested in also.

Best regards to all,
Brian

While you're there can you check out the Multicolor angels for me? I'm tinkering here for a pair but really want to know their sizes before placing the order.

Thanks,

Kevin

[flying53brian]

While you're there can you check out the Multicolor angels for me? I'm tinkering here for a pair but really want to know their sizes before placing the order.

Thanks,

Kevin

No problem Kevin, I'll be going over there about Noon, I'll let you know how they look. Maybe I can take some pics.

[flameangel88]

No problem Kevin, I'll be going over there about Noon, I'll let you know how they look. Maybe I can take some pics.

If I can ask for one more favor--can you work with Max to pick out a pair for me? Tell Max it's for the guy in NJ that got 6 Flame angels from him back in 2007.

I'll be tie up till late afternoon and will check my email. If it's a go then I'll put the order in.

Thanks.

[flying53brian]

If I can ask for one more favor--can you work with Max to pick out a pair for me? Tell Max it's for the guy in NJ that got 6 Flame angels from him back in 2007.

I'll be tie up till late afternoon and will check my email. If it's a go then I'll put the order in.

Thanks.

Sure Kevin,
I will check it out and I'll let him know.

[jaa1456]

Kevin, you don't deal with any LFS in NJ?

[flameangel88]

I do but 90-95% are from online vendors (generally stick with the 4 I buy most). Conditions of the fishes I see from lfs are not what I would want to put into my tanks plus I usually buy from wysiwyg section. Strangely enough my fish survival rate is better with online then lfs.

[jaa1456]

When do you plan on ordering anything again? If you live close enough, maybe I can jump in on a shipment and split some shipping costs. I have been looking for a blue spotted angel.

[Dejavu]

Here's a few more pic of her. She in her own specimen container with a Chaetodontoplus caeruleopunctatus in QT. She eating Hikari Mysis and Spirulina Enriched Brine.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/008-3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/007-3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/006-3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/briantvu/270%20Build/005-1.jpg

[flying53brian]

If I can ask for one more favor--can you work with Max to pick out a pair for me? Tell Max it's for the guy in NJ that got 6 Flame angels from him back in 2007.

I'll be tie up till late afternoon and will check my email. If it's a go then I'll put the order in.

Thanks.

Hey Kevin,

First-I spoke to Max for you and he is getting his own shipment tomorrow of the MultiColored and has access to like about 100 others, in terms of size he can put together a pair for you in the range of 2" to about 4". He stated that if you place an order in the next couple of days he will quarantine and make sure they are eating first. Just give him a shout. Heknew who you were right away.
Second-I picked up that Blueline Juvi Max had and it was eating pellets right there and had a real strong solid yellow bar and around the outer edge so it was hard not to pass it up. DARNNET, I was hoping it did not look that good! LOL Will post pics of her later guys.

Best Regards

[flameangel88]

Brianm

Thank you so much. Just got in and have to head right out for dinner. Will place the order when I get back. Can't beat getting a nice juvie BL especially seeing first hand.

Kevin

[flameangel88]

When do you plan on ordering anything again? If you live close enough, maybe I can jump in on a shipment and split some shipping costs. I have been looking for a blue spotted angel.

Have a delivery this coming Tuesday from DD. If you want something I can try to put it first thing in the morning and see if LA can put it in. This order comes with free shipping so you can order from LA regular site as well.

I'll have a order from RHS either this week or next week (depending how long Max is going to QT the Multi-color pair for me). This will be free shipped too.

I usually get free shipping (90% of the time) so let me know and I can add your order with mine and the only thing I ask is don't let me hanging with the bag. I've very limited tank space.

[skibum9884]

Just a few more of my little guy (much better quality):
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/SN150683.jpg
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/SN150684.jpg
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/douriel/SN150689.jpg

And a video if it'll work this time......
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[flying53brian]

Certainly seems to be no problem eating. The great thing about these Juvi's is how easy it is to get them eating. It is almost as though they are tank bred.

Congrats skibum!

[flameangel88]

When I got the 3 5/8" BL last year it took a while to get her eating so it's really amazing how fast these little ones are eating so fast. I feed them 4X (3X flakes & pellets and 1X frozen) per day and still seem like that's not enough. The 2 3/4" is getting big and I'm not kiiding that I think it grew 1/4" in just couple of weeks. One thing I noticed is that as she grows bigger she's getting more aggressive toward the middle one very mild toward the smallest.


btw--order placed for the Multi pair and email sent to Max.

[flying53brian]

When I got the 3 5/8" BL last year it took a while to get her eating so it's really amazing how fast these little ones are eating so fast. I feed them 4X (3X flakes & pellets and 1X frozen) per day and still seem like that's not enough. The 2 3/4" is getting big and I'm not kiiding that I think it grew 1/4" in just couple of weeks. One thing I noticed is that as she grows bigger she's getting more aggressive toward the middle one very mild toward the smallest.


btw--order placed for the Multi pair and email sent to Max.

What size did you ask for Kevin? Certainly nice fish. Max had a Multibarred Angel that was eating pellets, I would have bought it but was already sold.

I will post pics of the new one later tomorrow evening,by the way she is already eating pellets and mysis in the QT tank. Good call getting the one from RHS

[flameangel88]

Since Max will be QT the pair and getting them to eat first so I didn't specify sizes and rather leave that to Max putting 2 healthy specimens together.

Congrat on your new addition!

[beex215]

i thought it was a bad idea keep more then 1 angel together. i must be reading the wrong info again...

[dohc97]

i thought it was a bad idea keep more then 1 angel together. i must be reading the wrong info again...

If you are fairly new to angelfish i would suggest not doing it, all the people on this thread doing pairing or even trios are experts at what they do. I have paired dwarf angels without problems but if i ever tried to pair large ones i would ask for advice from the reefers on this thread.

[jaa1456]

Have a delivery this coming Tuesday from DD. If you want something I can try to put it first thing in the morning and see if LA can put it in. This order comes with free shipping so you can order from LA regular site as well.

I'll have a order from RHS either this week or next week (depending how long Max is going to QT the Multi-color pair for me). This will be free shipped too.

I usually get free shipping (90% of the time) so let me know and I can add your order with mine and the only thing I ask is don't let me hanging with the bag. I've very limited tank space.Thanks, I just got my tank running and I'm not ready for any new fish yet, Although I will keep you posted when I'm ready for something and see if you happen to be ordering something around the same time. I don't wanna rush in new fish in just yet. Keep me posted on those angels you are ordering.

[RBU1]

Well as you can tell mine is more out of the Juv stage he has lost most of the yellow bar. He is currently in my QT and is eating like a champ. I am afraid to treat him with cupramine after my last loss of my Goldflake in QT....How are you guys going to QT the Blueline?

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj149/rbu1/Fish%20Tanks/IMG_0595.jpg

[LargeAngels]

Mine got 0.3-0.4 of Cupramine a week after they started eating. Still eating and acting great. They go nuts now whenever they see me.

[RBU1]

I guess I am nervous with the copper now......Especially because telling that color is so much a PITA.....Just when I thought I had the QT process down pat I kill my goldflake...
I don't want that to happen to another fish. Well I just got him Saturday. The store did a FW dip on him for me as I was in the store. I got home acclilmated him and he was eating that night...My buddy keeps trying to get me to use regular copper because the treatment time is less 14 days versus 4 weeks.....That makes me even more nervous.

[LargeAngels]

I guess I am nervous with the copper now......Especially because telling that color is so much a PITA.....Just when I thought I had the QT process down pat I kill my goldflake...
I don't want that to happen to another fish. Well I just got him Saturday. The store did a FW dip on him for me as I was in the store. I got home acclilmated him and he was eating that night...My buddy keeps trying to get me to use regular copper because the treatment time is less 14 days versus 4 weeks.....That makes me even more nervous.

"Regular" copper is MUCH harsher than Cupramine so I wouldn't go that route. I don't know why treatment time would be different. Life cycle of ich and velvet is what determines treatment time.

[flameangel88]

I guess I am nervous with the copper now......Especially because telling that color is so much a PITA.....Just when I thought I had the QT process down pat I kill my goldflake...
I don't want that to happen to another fish. Well I just got him Saturday. The store did a FW dip on him for me as I was in the store. I got home acclilmated him and he was eating that night...My buddy keeps trying to get me to use regular copper because the treatment time is less 14 days versus 4 weeks.....That makes me even more nervous.

RBU1,

Don't look back to what if! There are so many factors that's beyond our control especially the larger sensitive angels. If I were ever to get another GF it will definitely be 2".

Since they performed the FW dip did you check for flukes in the container? That's a big reason to put the to put the fish through that stress for the FW dip.

This is probably the best batch of fish that came in in a long time without any problems. I didn't notice any ich or flukes (they may have it but I haven't notice it yet). All 3 of mine went straight into the reef which is normally against my intro procedure.

[RBU1]

RBU1,

Don't look back to what if! There are so many factors that's beyond our control especially the larger sensitive angels. If I were ever to get another GF it will definitely be 2".

Since they performed the FW dip did you check for flukes in the container? That's a big reason to put the to put the fish through that stress for the FW dip.

This is probably the best batch of fish that came in in a long time without any problems. I didn't notice any ich or flukes (they may have it but I haven't notice it yet). All 3 of mine went straight into the reef which is normally against my intro procedure.

Nothing was in the container. Not sure what you mean by best batch of fish. How do you know they all came from the same "batch"? Were did you get your fish from?

[flameangel88]

I received 2 from BZA and 1 from LA as they were the first to post online. Look at the many that all the folks got whether online or lfs most reported eating right away and I haven't seen any report of illness, of course I can only go by what I see see here on RC and private conversations.

Anyone that wanted one can get one. How often you see this with BLs and let alone juvies.