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Allmost
01/11/2011, 03:23 PM
Hello all,
I have a 65G tank, it is planted with grape algae and some other acro algae. it houses a V. lionfish for a while now.

I REALLY would LOVE to have a Octopus, would he be fine in the same tank as my lion ?

the size of the octopus will be bigger than the lions mouth of course.

thank you all :)

or am I better off connecting some 20G tanks together with thick Clear PVC and cover them all, and house the octopus in there, and he can freely move through tanks to give him a bit of challenge/thinking ?

Lupine
01/11/2011, 03:41 PM
If the octo is bigger than the lion's mouth, (or even if not) the octo will kill the lionfish, and probably any other fish you put in with it. They require their own tank with a very secure top.
There is a lot of homework to be done before acquiring an octopus! Check out www.tonmo.com.

Allmost
01/11/2011, 03:44 PM
Thank you :)

I have started reading on them. not ure how it would be able to catch and eat the lionfish without getting stung :P lol but still I love my lion too much to risk it. guess a web of tanks it is :)

Cerastes
01/12/2011, 07:43 AM
Thank you :)

I have started reading on them. not ure how it would be able to catch and eat the lionfish without getting stung :P lol but still I love my lion too much to risk it. guess a web of tanks it is :)
Octopi are quite frequently smarter than the people who attempt to keep them!

JCR's Reef
01/12/2011, 08:09 AM
Very smart. Forget where I seen it but there was a bigger octo in a public aquarium that was picking off the sharks at night. I think there is a video of it

DoubleM 10
01/12/2011, 10:38 AM
Very smart. Forget where I seen it but there was a bigger octo in a public aquarium that was picking off the sharks at night. I think there is a video of it

that was at the shed aquarium in Chicago near me lol. lions are not the brightest crayon in the box(i know i own 3). they just know who feeds them. Mine at least dont really have problem solving skills. they just do what nature tells them to.

on the other hand octopus do. which means BIGGER octopus= lionfood

bigge lion=octo lunch

matt

IDrawFish
01/20/2011, 03:11 PM
Octopus + Lion = bad idea, most likely end up with a dead lion and possibly a dead octo from the toxin as well. Everyone would love to keep cephalopods but they really are for the most advanced aquarist. There is a wonderful book I reccommend you read entitled "Cephalopods: Octopuses and Cuttlefish for the Home Aquarium"

http://www.amazon.com/Cephalopods-Octopuses-Cuttlefish-Home-Aquarium/dp/0793806585/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1295557774&sr=1-2-spell

If you are interested in learning more definately read this from to back and then you'll at least be a little more prepared.

loneracer05
01/25/2011, 07:12 PM
as others have stated this isnt a good mix. i had a good bit of luck with a 3 stripe damsel witth my old octo. though this is not the norm. most octos can only be kept alone.the 2 20 gallon tanks together may work but i see filtration being an issue.

Allmost
01/27/2011, 11:44 AM
thanks, the octo tank is almost done cycling :)

Blitz99
02/11/2011, 12:24 PM
Everyone would love to keep cephalopods but they really are for the most advanced aquarist.

I fully understand where this statement comes from, but i think we hobbyist over think things too often.

I worked at Fabulous Fins in the early 90's... i was not advanced in saltwater in any way shape or form... heck, back then lighting was always just a normal output tube and we kept pink tips forever under them.

anyway, i had 3 octo's around that time. one lived well over a year until i left the hood unlatched and my mom (i was 17) wouldnt put it back in the tank... another lived about 6 months, and the third around a year...

i NEVER cycled the tanks i put them in and typically set the tank up as i found the octo at the store. To this day, i dont know what species they were but they were all dwarfs.

how much more life would someone have gotten out of them? who knows, but my guess is not too much...

i'm not saying what i did was right or the best way to go about it (DUH) but if an impatient kid could keep an octo healthy and alive that long, then even a moderate hobbyist can do as good if not better without overthinking it.

by the way, i used to feed goldfish only :) and would also put them in mountain dew bottles for the octo to figure out, or hand feed them. never got bit and the one seemed to really enjoy playing with my hand.

deathy17
05/15/2011, 06:19 PM
how long do they live?

NewbyReefer
08/18/2011, 01:08 PM
Very smart. Forget where I seen it but there was a bigger octo in a public aquarium that was picking off the sharks at night. I think there is a video of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOEZh1Lbbg

asid61
08/18/2011, 05:32 PM
I fully understand where this statement comes from, but i think we hobbyist over think things too often.

I worked at Fabulous Fins in the early 90's... i was not advanced in saltwater in any way shape or form... heck, back then lighting was always just a normal output tube and we kept pink tips forever under them.

anyway, i had 3 octo's around that time. one lived well over a year until i left the hood unlatched and my mom (i was 17) wouldnt put it back in the tank... another lived about 6 months, and the third around a year...

i NEVER cycled the tanks i put them in and typically set the tank up as i found the octo at the store. To this day, i dont know what species they were but they were all dwarfs.

how much more life would someone have gotten out of them? who knows, but my guess is not too much...

i'm not saying what i did was right or the best way to go about it (DUH) but if an impatient kid could keep an octo healthy and alive that long, then even a moderate hobbyist can do as good if not better without overthinking it.

by the way, i used to feed goldfish only :) and would also put them in mountain dew bottles for the octo to figure out, or hand feed them. never got bit and the one seemed to really enjoy playing with my hand.

BAD IDEA ALERT!!!
All of the experts on TONMO.com who have kept octos agree that not cycling a tank is a very bad idea, and most recommend cycling 3 months. There is an almost certain chance that an octo will die in an uncycled tank; there are exceptions, and maybe you got insanely lucky, but it's better safe than sorry.

AlexS95
08/18/2011, 10:28 PM
That post was six months ago dude.

asid61
08/18/2011, 11:19 PM
oops

AlexS95
08/18/2011, 11:42 PM
Haven't seen you on TONMO lately?

wes1333
08/19/2011, 08:56 PM
Crazy video