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hglumac
04/07/2011, 10:01 PM
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the guy on fleabay that sells the stick on LEDs in pre wired strings. I know you get what you pay for but just wanted some first hand reviews.

I know they aren't Cree's but I cant tell from the videos how the color really looks.

hglumac
04/08/2011, 01:51 PM
No one has tried them?...err bump

the new mcdoubl
04/12/2011, 09:37 AM
I just got my led hoods from auraled set up this weekend and i love them so far. I have them on my 265. They are awesome especially for the price but only time will tell how corals like them. Im one of the first people using these lights so ill be like a guinne pig for everyone else to see if they work long term lol. The guy who runs the company is really cool and consults with you through the whole process. I would recomend you contact him directly

the new mcdoubl
04/12/2011, 09:41 AM
I forgot to mention. They come with a 2 year full parts and labor warranty so your investment is safe for at least that long

hglumac
04/12/2011, 09:48 AM
Thanks so much, keep me posted.

sohalrpb
04/13/2011, 02:31 PM
hi i looking for led can you send pictures to see the lightes

snorvich
04/13/2011, 05:14 PM
I forgot to mention. They come with a 2 year full parts and labor warranty so your investment is safe for at least that long

Well . . . maybe.

the new mcdoubl
04/24/2011, 03:01 PM
these are pics from when i set it up. the guy uses these pics to advertise his lights on ebay now.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee511/wdkent/265%20build/3.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee511/wdkent/265%20build/2.jpg

hglumac
04/24/2011, 08:40 PM
Are those just the blues? How many LED of what wattage are in there? Its hard to tell fromthe intensity from the picture.

aqualvr
05/01/2011, 12:13 PM
Has anyone else purchased the Auraleds recently for their tanks and if so, has anyone done any Par tests on these. Although I know there are several led lights out there are far superior in their lighting, not everybody can afford them. That's why something such as the Auraleds seems to enticing! I am currently looking for led lighting for my 210 that is not going to cost me over a thousand if possible and still do the job!
Aqualvr:spin2:

hglumac
05/01/2011, 01:49 PM
I'm still scared to pull the trigger...no par info, no website, and not all that much cheaper than a nice DIY cree setup.

the new mcdoubl
05/11/2011, 11:23 AM
I dont have the par values to back me up on this but i do know for absolute fact that these leds are much cheaper than the diy route. my tank is 7 feet long and 31 inches deep so i would have spent a pretty penny getting the coverage and penetration i needed. I currently have 2 clams on the sand bed and I have a pavona on the sandbed. they are all doing great and the pavona is growing very fast. thats some pretty good penetration if you ask me. i dont need a par meter to know that these leds are kickin butt on my tank. ill post my build thread with all the pics so you guys can see my tank.

the new mcdoubl
05/11/2011, 11:33 AM
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18761671#post18761671

this is my build thread with a ton of pics. check it out. and hey if anyone gets lights from these guys, do me a favor and tell them that will kent reffered you

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/19/2011, 03:18 PM
I have a 220g tank and just purchased an Auraled hood and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. I hope its as good as the owner Rob Wood makes it out to be.

hglumac
05/20/2011, 06:20 AM
Bubba, after you get your new lights remember to let us know whay you think. I wish they had a good website, i would feel better about purchasing.

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/20/2011, 01:56 PM
I will. Talking to the owner of Auraled (for what its worth) led me to the purchase. He assured me that at 30" deep that the light should be close to 1000 par. But I know its easy to say whatever to sell a product. Guess we will see when I get it.

hglumac
05/20/2011, 02:43 PM
I don't k.ow much about par readings, but most refers are thrilled to have 120 par on the sand...1000 sounds completely outrageous. If that was true I bet it would be far too much light.

swBrock
05/20/2011, 06:45 PM
you should tell him to make another youtube video of him taking par readings..
that would ease everones mind and more people would buy his product..
1000 par sounds over the top..
i am interested still..
someone make some moves and get to the bottom of this!

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/21/2011, 07:07 PM
From what I was told about par ratings,anything around 250 will sustain life, anything around 400 will grow life, and anything over 800 will grow life to show quality. Im not sure how accurate that is, but thats what I was told.

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/21/2011, 07:09 PM
Does anyone know where to get a par meter. And about how much they cost. I will check the readings when I get it set up if the meter isnt crazy expensive.

ahenson
05/25/2011, 08:33 AM
Any update?

cubsare1
05/25/2011, 09:41 AM
they are 1.5w blue and 1.1w wht 12k leds

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/25/2011, 05:58 PM
I got my Auraled lights yesterday and they make the lights on my other tanks look like garbage. These lights are incredibly bright. And unlike most of the LED setups I have seen that shine straight down these ones light up my whole tank(ZERO DARK SPOTS.) As far as par readings go, my lfs doesnt have a meter I can use and I am currently trying to scrape up $300 for the "Apogee mq 200." Hopefully I can get one soon.

alaskan84
05/25/2011, 06:49 PM
glad to hear you like the lights...what kind of color combo did you go with bubba? I have been speaking with rob and am just about to pull the trigger on a 48" fixture with red/white/blue LED's, each color wirelessly dimmable for $800.

I currently have 2x250W MH light fixture and was going to purcahse two reefbrite LED strips....but for the 48" HO RB strips, two of them put me just at about 800. Why not go ALL led's for that price?

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/25/2011, 07:11 PM
My setup has 3 rows of whites, 3 rows of blues, and a row of reds in the middle. I bought my tank used and it came with a (mogul) metal halide fixture, but with the tank being in my mantown in the basement the metal halide was out of the question. The tank alone makes the room hot, let alone putting a metal halide light and then most likely a chiller. So LED was the only option for me.

wildman926
05/25/2011, 07:58 PM
My setup has 3 rows of whites, 3 rows of blues, and a row of reds in the middle. I bought my tank used and it came with a (mogul) metal halide fixture, but with the tank being in my mantown in the basement the metal halide was out of the question. The tank alone makes the room hot, let alone putting a metal halide light and then most likely a chiller. So LED was the only option for me.

Can you post some pics?

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 11:00 AM
Yes, i would love to see some pics bubba....

ctreefer
05/26/2011, 02:25 PM
I got my Auraled lights yesterday and they make the lights on my other tanks look like garbage. These lights are incredibly bright. And unlike most of the LED setups I have seen that shine straight down these ones light up my whole tank(ZERO DARK SPOTS.) As far as par readings go, my lfs doesnt have a meter I can use and I am currently trying to scrape up $300 for the "Apogee mq 200." Hopefully I can get one soon.

Hi, not sure if you're aware, but there's a club in CT called CTAR's (Ct Area Reefers). They do have a Par meter that you could borrow and take readings. (Wish you didn't live in the corner of the state, I'd love to take a look).

If you don't already know :
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=186

and their website: ctars.org

Oh, and ditto on the pics. :)

hglumac
05/26/2011, 02:35 PM
On eBay, the seller says no bulb replacement for 3 years...that is pretty weak for leds . And would that also mean that you have to buy a whole new fixture?

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 02:55 PM
Well, 50,000 hours or 5.7 years is the standard for modern LED's...they actually offer a 3 year guarantee which I think is exceptional...I would think there would be a decent chance these guys arent even around after 3 years...doesent mean i wont be purchasing from them....heck AI only offers a 1 year warranty, and they are one of the top manufacturers. Still waiting for some addtional pictures:bounce3:

hglumac
05/26/2011, 03:12 PM
Everyone else lists by hours, so if you assume a 10 hour light cycle a 50,000 hour bulb should last you almost 14 years, auraled says change bulbs at 3 years is that continuously on or considering 8 to 12 hours a day. that's what I don't like about these guys, no data sheets, no "real" information.

I'm surprised they have not yet invested in a webpage to show their products.

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 03:31 PM
sorry glumac...i have never seen any led light fixture that is said to last 14 years.....once again....the modern standard for LED lights is 50,000 constant on, which is about 5.7 years.....auraled is offering a 3 year guarantee, where other top manufacturerse only offer 1 year guarantee. sure you may get 2 years out of it and have to replace it....same chance with a nanotuners fixture or any other though...you also might get 7 years out of it with nominal use....14 years for any fixture is just not perceivable.

I do agree with you though that they could reinforce their buisness with a decent website and faster email response. I am thinking that these guys are still pretty new/small time....otherwise why wouldnt they have a website?:hammer:

I'm on day 2 waiting for a response from Rob the owner, from what I have heard they are really busy and responses can take a couple days.

hglumac
05/26/2011, 03:51 PM
Yes 50,000 hours constant on, but if you consider only 10 hours a day on, that makes 14 years. If you only ran it for 1 hour a day it would be 137 years! The auraled guys say 3 years and they do not specify if that is constant on or a given number of hours per day. These are all things that would be good to know.

But really the 3w leds have not even been out that long so the 50,000 hour thing has to be an estimate.

I was not trying to say there is any led that is good for 14 years constant on, sorry if I worded it poorly.

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 04:49 PM
can you show me any led fixtures that have even been in use for 10 years? i think with all the enviromental variables, something would bring it offline well within the 14 year mark, even if used for a couple hours a day...age is age. I think 4-5 years use would be acceptable...after that I would begin to expect something to fail....either from corrosion or some other reason..if you get longer hey then thats great, but you've already paid for your fixture, maybe even twice over, in the savings vs metal halide bulbs and electric.

I totally agree with you on the fact that they need more information out there about their product.

just two single 48" reef brite blue led strips for supplementation are going to put me right about 800 bucks with shipping...I would still be running my dual 250w metal halide fixture too...

If I can get a few reliable years (and the awesomeness of dimmable red/blue/white) w/a full led system, for the same price as adding actinics to my current fixture....i'm sold. I love the "high end" LED systems, but I just cant afford to drop a few thousand to light my tank

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/26/2011, 05:29 PM
Sorry guys, I am so computer dumb. I took a few pics of my tank with the Auraleds and dont know how to put them on the forum. Can someone explain to me how to do this.

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 05:39 PM
go to www.photobucket.com and create an account, should be pretty self explanatory on how to upload your photos to the new account. Once they are uploaded to photobucket, you should be able to copy the image url via a link they will provide you for each photo uploaded. Then come back here and make a new post..there is a picture icon at the top with a little mountain and sun..if you click that it will open a window for you to paste the url of the pic in. Do this for each picture and youve got them uploaded and posted:fun2:

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/26/2011, 06:02 PM
Thanxs

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/26/2011, 06:19 PM
Ok, lets see if I did this right. Let me know if you can see the pics.

http://www.photobucket.com/BigBob1979

I know I dont have enough live rock in there Im getting a bunch more tomorrow. the tank is still pretty new. only been running about 5 weeks.

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/26/2011, 06:22 PM
www.photobucket.com/BigBob1979

alaskan84
05/26/2011, 06:25 PM
Lookin good bubba! Do you have any dimmers for yours? I would really like to see a shot with only whites, only blues, and then only reds if thats possible.


edit: the pic didnt work, but the link to your album works great

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/26/2011, 07:45 PM
I didnt get the dimmers, probably should have. I cheaped out. I will try to get the individual colors tomorrow. I really like the brightness of the light, the only thing I dont like about it so far is the wires are hanging all over the place. 3 power cords on each side is kind of a P.I.A but if that is the only problem I can live with that.

alaskan84
05/27/2011, 09:51 AM
ive already got a wiring nightmare going on with my 120 gallon, so a few more cables wont make a difference:debi:


I look forward to the individual color shots...how long is your fixture 48"?

nvdiz
05/27/2011, 10:09 AM
lol i saw a youtube video of one of the sellers of aura led and it looks like garbage. he "modded" his nano tank hood by attaching a bunch of the units underneath and it looked horrible.

wildman926
05/27/2011, 10:23 AM
lol i saw a youtube video of one of the sellers of aura led and it looks like garbage. he "modded" his nano tank hood by attaching a bunch of the units underneath and it looked horrible.

Yea, this looks like "garbage"...lol....HERE (http://youtu.be/0YQ9mJU4T8Q) is the link

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s86/wildman926/Aquariums/BiocubeAuraled.jpg

the new mcdoubl
05/27/2011, 10:33 AM
Does it really matter what it looked like? Its just a product demo. its not like of you did it yourself you would be forced to do it like he did. this thread is looking for peoples experiences who own the leds.

wildman926
05/27/2011, 10:33 AM
www.photobucket.com/BigBob1979

Awesome!!

Here you go Bubba. Just copy and past the "IMG Code" from Photobucket into your replies. You definitely need more liverock.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00307.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00308.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00309.jpg

alaskan84
05/27/2011, 11:39 AM
i think you've got a few followers bubba :) ....i anxiously await the single color shots.

SNAKEMANVET
05/27/2011, 12:14 PM
I am thinking of buying these also,.Bubba your tank looks good

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/27/2011, 04:39 PM
Thanx. I am pleased with the brightness of the lights. Still working on the single color shots. The battery on my camera died and I cant find the charger. When I find it I will post the shots. Also, I am picking up 150 more pounds of live rock right now. Just wanted to check the thread before I left.

alaskan84
05/27/2011, 06:51 PM
how long is your tank/fixture bubba? 48"? Looks really similar to my 120 gallon. I'm gonna have to hang mine from above as I have some extra pvc routed over the rear of my tank that I can valve on/off for extra flow as needed.

waucedah_joe
05/28/2011, 07:43 AM
I just ordered a 58"x22" 120w fixture from Auraled Wednesday. Their email response was a bit spotty, as mentioned above, but whenever I called I got right through to Rob and he was more than happy to talk to me. They seem very accommodating. I have two 3" wide center braces so they are accounting for that in the LED layout. He also spent a lot of time with me on the finish, which I want to match the black granite pattern of the Formica counter top that the tank sits on. I did not purchase the fixture with any dimmers. I plan to add those myself. Can't wait to see it. Maybe late next week. I'll post again when I get it installed and provide some pictures then.

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/28/2011, 10:40 AM
My fixture is 72" altogether, 2-36" lights. Here are some more pics. All 3 lights individual and a couple extras. I also think I have enough live rock finally.


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Redlight-1.jpg
red lights


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Whitelight.jpg
white lights


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Bluelight.jpg
blue lights


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Bluewhitelights.jpg
white and blue lights


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/All3lights.jpg
red, white, and blue lights

waucedah_joe
05/28/2011, 11:29 AM
Looking good! It's amazing what the reds do for the color of the tank.

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/28/2011, 01:29 PM
Yeah, it definitely makes the light look more natural. Its amazing how bright the red is by itself, and that it doesnt show up so much with the blue and whites on.

wildman926
05/28/2011, 02:10 PM
The pics are worth a thousand words! The added rock looks great!

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/28/2011, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the compliment

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/28/2011, 07:50 PM
Just wanted to repost the colors again. My mother cleaned them up quite a bit and made them much better.


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/RedLight.jpg
REDS

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/WhiteLighst.jpg
WHITES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Bluelights.jpg
BLUES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/BlueWhiteLights-1.jpg
WHITES AND BLUES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/All3Lighits.jpg
REDS, WHITES, and BLUES

lalc
05/29/2011, 11:49 AM
I most warn you that the colors you are about to see are real.
For all the haters you might want to be sitting down so you dont kick your own butt.

This is about 45 watts Auraled in place of two 96 watt compacts.
This film has not been edited this is the first take.
Notice the last 10 seconds of the clip you will see that the right hand side has the South Carolina Sun on a 87 degree day---these are bright!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwezwq_VmqQ

BubbaBoBobBrain
05/29/2011, 12:40 PM
Great video. I like the tank. Now i really wish I had gotten the dimmers. Oh well, live and learn.

hglumac
06/02/2011, 08:44 PM
very nice video, the tank looks great, lights seem plenty powerful, keep us updated on your coral growth.

lalc
06/05/2011, 09:06 PM
I do like the dimmer and I will post more video.

hglumac
06/07/2011, 02:14 PM
To the guys who have purchased these auraled's, could you post close up shots of the LED's themselves please? are there any brands or model m=numbers on the LED's? Im trying to find out what they are using to get the real specs.

Fryman
06/09/2011, 02:03 PM
I've been in contact w/ Rob @ Auraled for my new 90Gal. His response to emails was actually really good, 24 hrs or better. He also answered the phone when I called and was very helpful on the phone.

After I provided my tank's specs he sent me a custom drawing that compensated for my tank's bracing and overflow. I have an Oceanic Tech, so it has a 3.5" euro-brace around the perimeter.

I am seriously considering this lighting. I'm not afraid to go DIY, but his price is cheaper than a comparable DIY kit and I'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of building my own. Considering the time and effort it would take for a DIY, the Auraleds definitely look like a much better deal.

On the down-side: cheaper LEDs (2W LEDs, not Crees) and not a proven supplier yet. I'm generally willing to be an early adopter, but I know it comes w/ extra risk.

hglumac
06/09/2011, 03:40 PM
Rob told me $200 for a set of 15 WHITE 15 BLUE & 5 RED. I'm upgrading a biocube 29, and I could do a kit from rapidled with 18 leds the dimmer knobs and dimmable drivers and the xp-e and xp-g cree 3w leds for about $225...which would you do?

Fryman
06/09/2011, 06:41 PM
Rob told me $200 for a set of 15 WHITE 15 BLUE & 5 RED. I'm upgrading a biocube 29, and I could do a kit from rapidled with 18 leds the dimmer knobs and dimmable drivers and the xp-e and xp-g cree 3w leds for about $225...which would you do?

Well...the rapidled kit uses 3W leds, while auraled uses 2W ?? manufacturer (I'm asking). So I'm not sure this is an apples-to-apples comparison.

Does the rapidled kit come w/ a heatsink? If not you should figure that into the cost as well.

Doesn't your biocube already have a plastic molded canopy? Would you be comfortable cutting/modifying it? If so, I would probably go w/ a retrofit kit from rapidled or reefledlights.com so you can use the existing canopy. You could probably remove the existing lights and retro-fit so the footprint is unchanged. The auraled fixture might look kinda funny on a biocube.

In my case I don't have an existing canopy to work with. The auraled can set right on top and act as a light & canopy. I'm just hoping it won't look too ghetto...

cubsare1
06/09/2011, 07:04 PM
The e-mail I got said samsung 1.5wt blue 450nm and 1.1wt 12k

hglumac
06/09/2011, 08:07 PM
Yes, I figured pricing for a heatsink, and I am fine with taking the stock hood under the knife. I don't know, I hate decisions like this.

lalc
06/09/2011, 09:52 PM
The e-mail I got said samsung 1.5wt blue 450nm and 1.1wt 12k

Agree--I installed 20 [email protected] 30 watts
20 12k @ 22 watts
and 5 red @ at least 1 watt
total watts on 55 bowfront @ or around 57 watts and not the 45 watts I posted.
I do not know what the red are for sure but they are a least 1 watt.

I will try to post more pics over the weekend.

waucedah_joe
06/10/2011, 04:11 AM
To the guys who have purchased these auraled's, could you post close up shots of the LED's themselves please? are there any brands or model m=numbers on the LED's? Im trying to find out what they are using to get the real specs.

If you look at the photos in their eBay listing there are some part numbers accompanying the spectrum analysis. Searching those brought me to a manufacturer that sells LED's that look like what Auraled is using.

wildman926
06/10/2011, 07:52 AM
If you look at the photos in their eBay listing there are some part numbers accompanying the spectrum analysis. Searching those brought me to a manufacturer that sells LED's that look like what Auraled is using.

They are JT Electronics module LED's.

He can build it for you way cheaper than you can DIY.

waucedah_joe
06/10/2011, 09:16 AM
That's why I ordered one. Should be here today. I was just trying to help out someone who wanted more information.

BubbaBoBobBrain
06/10/2011, 07:34 PM
When I googled the serial numbers on my auraled setup I also came up with the company JT Electronics. The web site doesnt show the spectrum of light though. All it says is that they make lights for signs. I emailed the company to see if they make these lights for fish tanks 2 days ago and still havent got a response.

wildman926
06/10/2011, 07:46 PM
The info is HERE (http://www.jtled.com/products.asp). The whites are 7 series, the reds are 01 series, and the blues are 1w series modules.

Fryman
06/10/2011, 11:50 PM
Rob sent me specs on the LEDs

He says they are Samsung#1 diodes in JT casings.

I posted the specs he provided here:
http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31791139/1/re90gal48x18ledlighting?h=83e048

Post above seems correct except the blues are 1.5W series (not 1W)

bruce 1
06/11/2011, 03:39 PM
Has any one took a PAR reading yet on these?
I have been watching these for a new build a 72Lx30Wx24T. Do you think these would be good for that size tank?

Fryman
06/13/2011, 11:33 AM
+1 on the independent PAR reading

Just re-read the email I got from Rob. He claims 580 PAR @24in. using his ďcustomĒ 120W fixture. Seems a little outrageous doesnít it? If this were true it would blow away any other LED on the market. Iím more than a little skeptical. Maybe a typo, Iíve asked for clarification.

I would really like to see an independent PAR measurement. Any way we can make this happen?

waucedah_joe
06/13/2011, 12:44 PM
I believe his PAR readings are in air. When I mentioned some of the forum talk about PAR he did say he regretted not making a video when he took the readings and that the numbers would most surely be less underwater. He said something to the effect, "what are others doing, putting their PAR meter underwater? How am I supposed to do that?"

Got my 120w fixture Friday and installed it Saturday. The box looked like it had been rolled to my house and I got to the door just as the FedEx driver dropped the box roughly on one corner outside my door. I had him wait while I inspected it and the fixture looked fine. Good job of packing.

The color of the light is more to my liking than what I has with the T5 although I never did much with changing bulb mix for color on the T5's. The blue LED's really make the coral color pop. When just the blues are on, the coral really look like they are under a blacklight. This enhances the coral color when all the lights are on also. Should have paid more attention to where the cords came off of the fixture. I didn't ask or specify, and they are on the wrong side for the cords to reach my X-10 switched outlets. I ordered some DC extension cords from Hong Kong pretty cheap to tidy up the installation. Right now I'm using AC cords to remote X-10 modules.

To my untrained eye the LEDs do not look as bright as the 324w T5 fixture but this may be because the T5 sent a lot of light out the sides whereas the LED light is directed downward. I'll be monitoring the coral and anemones to see how they respond.

They customized my fixture so that there were no LEDs over the two center braces in my tank and also put a black marble looking finish on the top to match the countertop that the tank sits on. It has a DIY look to it but better than one would have looked had I done it myself. The interconnecting wires are exposed on the underside but all sealed and waterproofed. Gotta go...more later.

bruce 1
06/13/2011, 05:45 PM
give us some photos.

waucedah_joe
06/13/2011, 06:54 PM
give us some photos.

Since you asked so nicely;

Here's some before (T5), and after (LED) pictures.

FTS with T5. Only a 4' fixture on a 5' tank so I kept them up a ways.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/FTS_T5.jpg


FTS with LED lights at about the same height as the T5's were.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/FTS_LED_up.jpg

FTs with LEDs on the top of the tank and much less glare/

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/FTS_LED_down.jpg


Monti frag I got at a swap in April under T5.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/Monti_T5.jpg


And LED

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/Monti_LED.jpg

wildman926
06/13/2011, 07:03 PM
waucedah_joe,

VERY NICE!! The red LED's really make it pop! Awesome difference between T5's and Auraled's.

bruce 1
06/13/2011, 07:29 PM
Thank you. Looks good.

iLLwiLL
06/13/2011, 09:33 PM
do you have access to a par meter? would love to see what kinds of numbers these put out underwater. is there any kind of splash shield protecting the led's?

~Will.

waucedah_joe
06/14/2011, 04:31 AM
do you have access to a par meter? would love to see what kinds of numbers these put out underwater. is there any kind of splash shield protecting the led's?

~Will.

No PAR meter. So remote we're lucky to have electricity.:D There is no splash guard and none available, I asked. However according to Rob the modules themselves are waterproof. My own observations; The blue modules are sort of potted with a clear rubbery material. The white and red ones don't have that feel. The leads seem to be integral to the modules or at least sealed by the adheasive used to mount the modules to the hood. The only splices are at the ends of the fixtures to join strings at one end and to add the DC size N power connectors. I left it on the top of the tank over night and in the morning there was quite a bit of condensation on the underside of the hood and the LED's. Probably because it's relatively cool in my basement where the tank is. I'll be leaving it up about 6" for now at least. Here's some photos of the fixture's business side.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/LEDFixtureotherend.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/LEDFixturePlugend.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/waucedah_joe/LED%20Upgrade/LEDFixturefulllength.jpg

waucedah_joe
06/14/2011, 07:16 AM
Something else I haven't seen mentioned. The hood is 1/4" acrylic. The diamond plate sides and marble top finish are decals. Don't know if that's a plus or minus but it sure won't corrode.

jwoyshnar
06/14/2011, 09:43 AM
The red leds make a huge difference. Looks good.

PatrickB101
06/14/2011, 09:56 AM
looks very diy imo. if i had a canopy i would use them though.

iLLwiLL
06/14/2011, 10:37 AM
the fixture is made out of acrylic? how is the heat dissipation? are there any fans or any kind of passive cooling devices?

~Will.

waucedah_joe
06/14/2011, 06:23 PM
the fixture is made out of acrylic? how is the heat dissipation? are there any fans or any kind of passive cooling devices?

~Will.

No fans. The base of the blue modules is an aluminum heat sink with fins. Not so on the red and white modules. Not sure about the reds but the white modules actually have 4 LEDs each so maybe at 1/4 watt each and spaced out heat buildup is minimum, (pure speculation on my part). I can't feel heat anywhere, top or bottom. I think I said above it has a DIY look but I don't think I could have built one for much less. Definatly a low buget option, but I knew that going in. It was either that or spend $150 for another years supply of bulbs for the T5 and hope I could afford LED's next year. The question in my mind is will it make coral grow?

iLLwiLL
06/14/2011, 06:36 PM
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these, but without par numbers i'm leaning towards some tried and true Cree DIY stuff. I would be really interested to see how much par the blue and white throw alone and then together at varying depths under saltwater.

~Will.

Fryman
06/16/2011, 12:24 PM
Itís decision time: I am about to pull the trigger in a 160W auraled fixture for my 90Gal. The other option Iím still considering is buying 2x reef bright XHOs to supplement my old 4xT5 fixture. Then when it comes time to replace the T5s in 6months or so I could consider getting more reef brights.

The price of the Auraled 160W is about the same as 2x 48Ē reefbright XHOs.
Although the initial price is equivalent, in the end I would be paying at least twice as much with Reef bright vs Auraled. I think the Reefbrights look much cleaner (donít like the exposed wires in the Auraled) but Iím really loathing the idea of paying $1300+ on lighting.

To be fair 4x 48Ē reefbright XHOs would be a total of 216W vs. 160W with Auraled plus they use tried-and-true 3W LEDs (driven @ only 1.5W). The Auraled uses cheaper LEDs and has reds, which is intriguing. The red does seem to improve color in pics Iíve seen. Also the Auraled is dimmable out of the box. The reef brights have the potential for dimming, but not available atm and would probably require another future purchase. Finally, a couple of the reef bright leds would possibly be covered by my tankís bracing (still looking into this).

Iíve kind of discarded the DIY idea because Iíd need to create or purchase a hood which increases the price above the reefbrights. Other options Iíve looked at such as Aqua Illuminations, Elos, Vertex & Ecoexotic are significantly more expensive. Iíve also considered getting an additional T5/MH fixture, which would be cheaper initially but much more expensive in the long run (assuming LEDs last at least a couple of years).


Anything Iím missing? Suggestions? What would you do?

Fryman
06/20/2011, 12:55 PM
I decided to take the plunge & order the light from Auraled. The price was just too tempting.

I also have access to a PAR meter, & so I will update the thread when I have some readings. Stay tuned...

hglumac
06/20/2011, 01:04 PM
Good stuff! I cant wait to see what the truth is!

bigkenny76
06/20/2011, 02:02 PM
ill wait to see the PAR before i order. but i am so ready to order these!

lalc
06/20/2011, 02:42 PM
I decided to take the plunge & order the light from Auraled. The price was just too tempting.

I also have access to a PAR meter, & so I will update the thread when I have some readings. Stay tuned...




And may I add....Mowahahaha!

BubbaBoBobBrain
06/23/2011, 03:30 PM
I joined a reef club in my area that has a par meter for members to use, so when I can get a hold of someone in the club I will try to get it to check the numbers on my set up also. Hopefully I can use it soon.

ALLCARGO
06/24/2011, 03:44 PM
I think I am ready to buy these too, but waiting on you guys... Let's go! LOL

iLLwiLL
06/24/2011, 03:49 PM
I passed and went with a cree DIY materials . . . the stick on LED's and acrylic base just diddn't do anything for me.

~Will.

Av619
07/05/2011, 11:22 PM
When are those par readings coming in? i had a buddy just get some and another friend just ordered some in .... they look way rad in person and im not too bothered by the stick on ... they are so cool running i could put my finger and hold it on an led... I just want to know if they grow coral!!!!!!!

bigkenny76
07/07/2011, 07:19 AM
I most warn you that the colors you are about to see are real.
For all the haters you might want to be sitting down so you dont kick your own butt.

This is about 45 watts Auraled in place of two 96 watt compacts.
This film has not been edited this is the first take.
Notice the last 10 seconds of the clip you will see that the right hand side has the South Carolina Sun on a 87 degree day---these are bright!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwezwq_VmqQ


How have the corals responded to the change ?

bigkenny76
07/07/2011, 07:20 AM
I joined a reef club in my area that has a par meter for members to use, so when I can get a hold of someone in the club I will try to get it to check the numbers on my set up also. Hopefully I can use it soon.


Bubba , how are the lights doing ?

Fryman
07/07/2011, 11:00 AM
I haven't gotten my fixture yet, because apparently the blue leds were backordered. Rob emailed me earlier that he was getting some in this week so hopefully I should have a unit for testing very soon.

Ram Jr
07/07/2011, 11:13 AM
Not to take away from your post but I did a PAR meter testing for my DIY build and here is the link below. Take a look at the video's on you tube and I hope that this will help you get an idea on what to expect.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1991713

dpeoples
07/10/2011, 12:58 PM
Thought I would jump in here and add my two cents for what it is worth. I live in Manassas VA so I am not to far from him in Norfolk. I am a Joint Venture Partner with Panera Bread as well. He has a sign company that actually does contract work for Panera and other chains here in Virginia and he has been in buisness for a good long time. So I think he would be around the three years he is warranty the stuff for. Oh and I also just ordered a lighting set myself from him today for my 125 gallon I have coming at the end of the month. Got mine with the dimmers for red and blue. Cant wait to get it. Even going to drive down to Norfolk and pick it up myself. Oh and like other posts have said he answers the phone and I probably spent 40 minutes on it talking to him and he answered every dumb question I asked. No rush or anything.

tjohnson27209
07/13/2011, 05:48 PM
looks like auraLED finally got a website together.... here are some stats on their lighting... http://auraled.blogspot.com/p/stats.html

-Tyler

dpeoples
07/15/2011, 02:17 PM
Any updates from you guys that have gotten the hoods? How are your tanks doing? Still running good?

4deepwater8
07/18/2011, 11:24 AM
Yes anybody do PAR readings? I want to pull the trigger, but I would like to have some data.

waucedah_joe
07/18/2011, 12:36 PM
I've had my fixture for over a month now. I had hopped to be a good resource for this discussion. I took quite a few pictures under my T5 fixture immediately before swapping to the Auraled fixture and hopped to document the difference. Unfortunately, I had a serious issue when I replaced the tubes on my dosing pump and ended up siphoning about 3/4 gallon of part one and part two into my tank overnight the very day after I installed the new lights. In addition I ended up replacing the screen in my turf scrubber due to it becoming covered in coraline algae and loosing efficiency over time. Nedless to say these two major upsets make it hard to determine the effects of the new lighting. Chemestry all over the place, nitrates got up to 10ppm before I got them turned around. All of my original coral look fine. The SPS frags that I bought shortly after are all nearly dead, but I was never able to grow SPS prior to the new lights either. My clam died, but it didn't look to hot before the chemistry experiment anyway. To my naked eye the new fixture does not look as bright. If I had it to do over, I think I'd have asked for a build with more than 120 watts. I do love the color of the lights. They run cool and after a little dressing up of the wires on my part I think they look fine on the outside also. Sorry but that's all I got. Maybe in a month or two I'll have further comment. Just trying to get everything lined out again for now.

dpeoples
07/18/2011, 01:44 PM
Thanks for the post. I did not know he offered multiple build types.

Fryman
07/18/2011, 04:28 PM
According to fedex, I should have my fixture tomorrow. I bought a 150Watt custom for my 90Gal oceanic tech. I can't promise I'll have time to do the PAR readings before the week-end though.

waucedah_joe
07/18/2011, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the post. I did not know he offered multiple build types.

You'd have to ask to be certain. They seem pretty flexible. Rob is more than willing to spend time on the phone. They do emphasize custom builds.

dpeoples
07/18/2011, 06:46 PM
Guess I will have to call and spend some time with him? Does he just use one type of LED I think I have seen they are 1.5 watt or will he do like Cree 3 watts?

Eastamherstbias
07/18/2011, 11:26 PM
Did we ever find par numbers?

blt
07/19/2011, 08:20 AM
According to fedex, I should have my fixture tomorrow. I bought a 150Watt custom for my 90Gal oceanic tech. I can't promise I'll have time to do the PAR readings before the week-end though.

Most of us have been pretty patient about it so far, I think we can wait the extra few days if necessary :D

4deepwater8
07/19/2011, 10:28 AM
I can't wait any longer. ;)

dpeoples
07/19/2011, 02:33 PM
Pressue is on Fryman group seems to want par lvls lol:bounce2:

cadugauch
07/19/2011, 03:07 PM
hi...i bought a custom auraled fixture from Mr. Rob Wood and i got the fixture about 2 weeks later. After putting the fixture on my tank...i notice it was not nearly as bright as the marineland fixtures i had before. I bought an apogee PAR reader and to my surprise here are the readings:

8" Deep - 70 par
24" Deep - 25 par

To my surprise when i ordered the fixture Rob actually guaranteed me that i would be satisfied with the fixture and my PAR would read around 800 at the sand bed 24". PAR Reading on this auraled is nowhere near what he promises...and it actually is extremely low for corals. My fixture had 175 watts and the reading where that low!

After running tests i requested my money back...but for my surprise Mr. Rob Wood declined it and said it was my fault...

My suggestion....stay away from Auraleds...i have done several par readings and they are VERY LOW....i lost 3 corals in the period of 2 weeks with that fixture.

Eastamherstbias
07/19/2011, 03:52 PM
I am not saying shenanigans but I don't trust a person that posts a negative on their first post. I need a picture with the fixture and the corresponding par meter.
kinda like this.
http://gallery.me.com/austinscaccia/100358/5.2.11%20MH%20PAR/web.jpg?ver=13043750990001

http://gallery.me.com/austinscaccia/100358/5.2.11%20LED%20PAR.jpg?derivative=medium&source=web.jpg&type=medium&ver=13043749060001

It just seems odd. I was looking at gettting a new LED. But I am still leaning towards the vertex illumina 200 48 inch.

dpeoples
07/19/2011, 05:51 PM
Agreed. I would like to see some other numbers as well. Hopefully he went through Ebay and Paypal and has a course of action he can pursue to get a refund. I mean honestly if you are not satisfied for any reason his auctions have right on it 100% money back guarantee for any reason if not satisfied and that is all Ebay needs to do a refund. But 70 par at that wattage under only 8" seems like a really odd number. Please keep us all updated as to how this goes for you. Sorry about the problems you are having.

Eastamherstbias
07/19/2011, 06:04 PM
Yea that par is wrong. How far is that light off the water? I need a pic.

dpeoples
07/20/2011, 08:49 AM
Good point are the lights in a hood or hanging:bounce2::bounce2:

4deepwater8
07/20/2011, 09:00 AM
hi...i bought a custom auraled fixture from Mr. Rob Wood and i got the fixture about 2 weeks later. After putting the fixture on my tank...i notice it was not nearly as bright as the marineland fixtures i had before. I bought an apogee PAR reader and to my surprise here are the readings:

8" Deep - 70 par
24" Deep - 25 par

To my surprise when i ordered the fixture Rob actually guaranteed me that i would be satisfied with the fixture and my PAR would read around 800 at the sand bed 24". PAR Reading on this auraled is nowhere near what he promises...and it actually is extremely low for corals. My fixture had 175 watts and the reading where that low!

After running tests i requested my money back...but for my surprise Mr. Rob Wood declined it and said it was my fault...

My suggestion....stay away from Auraleds...i have done several par readings and they are VERY LOW....i lost 3 corals in the period of 2 weeks with that fixture.

Can you take some pics and give us details.

bigkenny76
07/20/2011, 09:44 AM
Not Chosing sides just yet , would love some pics on those PAR readings, Or someone to chime in with anouther PAR reading (hook us up Fryman) , if the numbers are bad , there bad. nothing we can do. but i need more info on placement and height with numbers that low. but it looks like everyone that has them loves them or hates them.

dpeoples
07/20/2011, 12:58 PM
Yea Fryman hook us up the crowd is going crazy:wildone:

Fryman
07/21/2011, 12:58 AM
OK, I did some quick & dirty readings. It's a pain to orient the par meter correctly so readings are prolly +/- 10%.

PAR values at the center of the tank
6": 375
8": 330
10": 220
13": 200
20": 185

20" is at the sandbed in my tank.


I also tried the corners for worst-case and got the lowest reading at the very front right corner of 80 (20" depth). Far right side in the middle was 95 (20" depth).

Some notes/caveats:
- PAR sensor I used was an Apogee Model SQ-110
- Depth readings are with reference to the top of the tank. The light is laying on top of the tank but lifted up maybe ~ 2-3" from the water.
- I did the reading ~45 mins ago, it's completely dark outside and there was very little other light to influence the readings.
- I ordered the 150W auraled fixture. I originally asked for 175Watt, but 150 was the maximum Rob said could fit on my tank due to the eurobracing on my Oceanic Tech. This bracing seems to greatly affect the light at the edges of the tank. You can get a custom wattage, I'd recommend getting as high as possible.
- The dimmer is crap IMHO. I probably won't bother hooking it up. It looks cheap & I don't expect it would last very long.
- The fixture is about what I expected...but I wasn't expecting much. It looks very DIY. Probably would be better for people with canopies.
- The color looks more "true" to me. There are a lot of blue LEDs but it doesn't seem to be as blue-tinted as my T5s. I think the red makes a difference. But it's hard to say right now because I don't have any coral in the tank yet. I will update when I move the livestock over.

dpeoples
07/21/2011, 06:32 AM
Thanks for getting back to us Fryman. Keep us updated if you can. Par lvls seem ok. What does everyone else think? Sorry if it seems like we keep beating a dead horse with all my questions:deadhorse1:

wildman926
07/21/2011, 06:44 AM
I am not saying shenanigans but I don't trust a person that posts a negative on their first post. I need a picture with the fixture and the corresponding par meter.
kinda like this.
http://gallery.me.com/austinscaccia/100358/5.2.11%20MH%20PAR/web.jpg?ver=13043750990001

http://gallery.me.com/austinscaccia/100358/5.2.11%20LED%20PAR.jpg?derivative=medium&source=web.jpg&type=medium&ver=13043749060001

It just seems odd. I was looking at gettting a new LED. But I am still leaning towards the vertex illumina 200 48 inch.

OK, I did some quick & dirty readings. It's a pain to orient the par meter correctly so readings are prolly +/- 10%.

PAR values at the center of the tank
6": 375
8": 330
10": 220
13": 200
20": 185

20" is at the sandbed in my tank.

If the above par readings of the dual 250 MH fixture are accurate, then the Auraled is not far off after reviewing Fryman's readings. I hope this puts to rest the par issue.

bigkenny76
07/21/2011, 09:58 AM
Thats all i needed to Hear guys , i will be ordering one of these fixtures for my 220 in the next week ,Rob drew up a 210 watt fixture for my tank for a really good price, will update you guys on the progress, Thank you very much Fryman for the update.

4deepwater8
07/21/2011, 10:20 AM
Fryman thanks for doing that for us fence sitters. I am think I am sold.

richardinphx
07/26/2011, 04:41 PM
Well, i have read every single post in this discussion, and in the discussions that began with soundwave from 2009, and printed and bound all of those into a "book"

i think I am going to try the Virginia company, and mount them to the top of my 48X18X24 reef, (in a wooden frame i will make myself maybe)which is now 10 years old, this makes my 18th year+ with marine tanks, I think it is just what I am looking for.. If you know anything about APS in Arizona, I think my 324w T5HO 48 inch lights and a massive chiller is costing me about 250 dollars a month in the summer!

I am calling A-LED tomorrow finalize some details and hopefullyt by next couple of weekends (of Aug) I will have it in...

We shall see how the electric meter spins then! This is a great forum....I am so impressed with the quality of the persons involved and the intelligence inquiry level here... Its amazing....

richard in phoenix, az

Oh one question,, when are most of running your lights, and for how lon? I use mine 13 hours a day from 9:30 am until 10:30 pm .. i know that costs more because of electric rates premium in the day but ??????

what are some of you doing.. THANX

4deepwater8
07/27/2011, 06:59 AM
Well, i have read every single post in this discussion, and in the discussions that began with soundwave from 2009, and printed and bound all of those into a "book"

i think I am going to try the Virginia company, and mount them to the top of my 48X18X24 reef, (in a wooden frame i will make myself maybe)which is now 10 years old, this makes my 18th year+ with marine tanks, I think it is just what I am looking for.. If you know anything about APS in Arizona, I think my 324w T5HO 48 inch lights and a massive chiller is costing me about 250 dollars a month in the summer!

I am calling A-LED tomorrow finalize some details and hopefullyt by next couple of weekends (of Aug) I will have it in...

We shall see how the electric meter spins then! This is a great forum....I am so impressed with the quality of the persons involved and the intelligence inquiry level here... Its amazing....

richard in phoenix, az

Oh one question,, when are most of running your lights, and for how lon? I use mine 13 hours a day from 9:30 am until 10:30 pm .. i know that costs more because of electric rates premium in the day but ??????

what are some of you doing.. THANX

Most people I see in here say run them 9-11hrs a day,
I run my as the sun, so in the summer my lights come on at 8:00 and go off at 8:00, and I change as the seasons change.

Fryman
07/27/2011, 08:34 AM
I've been running actinics for 12 hrs but whites for 10. So the actinics turn on @ 10am, but the whites turn on an hour later at 11am. At night the whites turn off at 9pm, but the actinics stay on till 10pm.

With the reds now I'll prolly go down to 8 hrs, noon-8pm or something like that for them.

bigkenny76
07/27/2011, 08:45 AM
Fryman have you put any corals in the tank under the new lights yet ? if so could we get a few pics ?

dpeoples
07/27/2011, 11:48 AM
Just ordered mine today. I only live about two hours from them so mine will be ready on Monday so I am going to go pick it up so I do not have to leave it in FEDEX hands for a safe delivery. Went with the 175 watt. I will post pics as soon as I have it installed and up and running. Gotta say Rob is fun to talk to he definatley answers any possible question you may have and then some.:bounce2:

tjohnson27209
07/27/2011, 02:11 PM
I've been following this thread for a while and when I first saw the AuraLED listing on ebay I was skeptical soooo I started looking around for research about them I liked what I read so I decided to call up Rob and get started on building my setup for my 54gal corner tank, we agreed on a setup and I placed my order.

Now this is where it gets crappy...I placed my order on I believe a Wed. or Thurs. and Rob told me it would be out Monday and I can expect it to be at my place by Wed. I havent even received a conformation email that FedEx even received my shipment for delivery *I live in NC so it wouldnt take that long to get here* THAT WAS 3.5wks ago! Since placing my order I havent really been able to get in contact with Rob as much either he doesnt answer his phone or it goes straight to voicemail. I just left him another VM on his phone so hopefully this will get straightened out if not then PayPal will be getting a refund request!

-Tyler

dpeoples
07/27/2011, 02:46 PM
I am sure it will. I have not read anything on any sites from someone being stiffed. I spoke with him twice late last night. Let us know how it goes.

richardinphx
07/27/2011, 03:20 PM
he may have to soon decide whether he wants to be in the sign business or the LED aquarium lighting business .. he may becoming overwhelmed with order inquiries and just working hard to get the product out to the ones promised first... it is entirely possible and probable that he is a couple of weeks behind with everything.. however, he could surely get someone to answer the emails or return phone calls ... I know he said something about having a wife on his ebay ad (lol)

richardinphx
07/27/2011, 03:25 PM
good grief i just sent two PM asking about their orders above, i hope i didnt get them backwards... duh

tjohnson27209
07/27/2011, 03:52 PM
I hope it does work out. When I was able to get in contact with Rob he was a great guy to talk to about the hobby and LEDs. Now it just seems sketchy that he will not answer calls or emails after he got my $275. For me personally I dont care if my orders takes 3days to 7months to get here JUST STAY IN CONTACT WITH ME!!!! That way I know you aren't hiding anything from me....butttttttttt we'll see how it turns out *keeping fingers crossed*

-Tyler

rysher
07/27/2011, 03:59 PM
wow!

richardinphx
07/27/2011, 08:04 PM
I just talked with Rob at Auraled, (6:15 pm Arizona time) so it has been about 5 hours since I called him and left my first message, we discussed my 90 gallon bowfront (48 X 18 X 24) and I expect a quote from him within a day or so, he is telling me build out is about 5 days..... we talked at length about what i wanted, what he thought would work well for me, and answered any question I had - and his answers satisfied me..... He loves to talk aquariums....

He gave a pretty good idea of cost.... so, waiting on drawings and a quote

tjohnson27209
07/27/2011, 08:17 PM
I just talked with Rob at Auraled, (6:15 pm Arizona time) so it has been about 5 hours since I called him and left my first message, we discussed my 90 gallon bowfront (48 X 18 X 24) and I expect a quote from him within a day or so, he is telling me build out is about 5 days..... we talked at length about what i wanted, what he thought would work well for me, and answered any question I had - and his answers satisfied me..... He loves to talk aquariums....

He gave a pretty good idea of cost.... so, waiting on drawings and a quote

Just tried calling Rob again 10:08pm North Carolina time a mere hour after you called him and nothing wont answer my call.....soooo why would he answer your phone call but not mine? I'm not saying anything bad I'm just curious as to why he wont answer my call even though I've already paid for my fixture?

-Tyler

wildman926
07/27/2011, 09:17 PM
Just tried calling Rob again 10:08pm North Carolina time

What business answers calls after 5 pm local time? If you get an answer, you are lucky. Just don't expect it....

osolow
07/28/2011, 06:57 AM
I have been talking to the manufacturer of the leds for the last 2 weeks I think I might start selling them the price is good but you have to order in large numbers well see.. They sent me the same info that's on his website but I do like the leds on my tank.
but his service I.E not answering emails sucks I sent him 3 or 4 different ones and only got 1 replay but still didn't get my answers I needed but i did get what i ordered with in a week

In there info they sent me they say 12v dc power (constant voltage) would 7v hurt them?

dpeoples
07/28/2011, 07:12 AM
Just a little more update from me. He called me back last night at 8:40 east coast time. He is in Norfolk I am in Manassas VA. Talked for 12 minutes according to my cell log. Mine will be ready he told me beginning of the week and he wanted to let me know his sign company is doing a lot of work in North Richmond next week. Told me he would let me know so he can take my hood on one of the trucks so I can meet them thereto get it and save a hour off my ride each way. Seemed very nice to me. I personally have not had any problem getting him by phone or email. If I call or email during the day I am getting return calls/emails after 7:00 pm eastern time probably because he is working during the day. I am not poo pooing any one who says they are having a hard time getting in touch with him I am just relaying my experience so far.:dance::dance::dance:

richardinphx
07/28/2011, 09:58 AM
well 10 pm is a little late to be calling any business person after they have worked a 14 hour day, i wouldnt answer either... but he definitely should return your call, that is very perplexing, are you sure your money cleared and that he has it....? (has it posted to your account or credit - or however you paid it - just a thought)

adamstipo
07/28/2011, 12:57 PM
Anyone know how to contact these people via email?? I tried to message them on ebay but got no return yet?

richardinphx
07/28/2011, 01:01 PM
[email protected]

tjohnson27209
07/28/2011, 01:15 PM
well 10 pm is a little late to be calling any business person after they have worked a 14 hour day, i wouldnt answer either... but he definitely should return your call, that is very perplexing, are you sure your money cleared and that he has it....? (has it posted to your account or credit - or however you paid it - just a thought)

The reason I called so late is because someone earlier posted that they had talked to him at 6:15pm Arizona time which is 3hrs behind us here on the east coast that would have meant they talked to Rob at 9:15pm EAST COAST TIME probably talked for about 20-30mins knowing how Rob likes to talk so me calling at 10pm wouldnt have been too much after he hung up the phone with the guy from Arizona. So i was like hey maybe he answers at night because thats the only time he has time to answer.....but wait a minute what about all those voicemails I have been leaving him to get in contact with me about my order ASAP? Why hasnt he returned those calls?

This is the last email I have gotten from Rob and it was 8days ago...
Tyler,

Copy That!! We will ship to the Trinity /ridge adrress listed below. I tryd to call a couple times tonight around 8. Sorry again and I hope I didnt freak you out!! We are waitng on misc. electrical to arrive and should have you out by Mon. at the lastest. Thanks as Always

Rob Wood
Owner/Creator

Auraled Lighting Systems
5121 E Virginia Beach Blvd, Ste A2
Norfolk, VA 23502

(o)757-462-9108
(f)757-461-6360

And yes I am sure that my money cleared I paid via Paypal I received a conformation email stating my money was sent AND the biggest one the $275 was taken out of my bank account...I know how to check stuff on my end before posting bad about other people...again I am hoping it works out i'm not bashing Rob because like i said he was a great guy to talk to when I did talk to him...I just wish he would get in contact with me!

-Tyler

skyline377
07/28/2011, 09:19 PM
I tried to contact them on ebay and staight on their e-mail, 4 days still no reply.

tjohnson27209
07/29/2011, 12:18 PM
I tried to contact them on ebay and staight on their e-mail, 4 days still no reply.

So i'm not the only person having issues with getting in contact with Rob?

-Tyler

richardinphx
07/29/2011, 01:52 PM
This is way too worrisome....

I don't get it

tjohnson27209
07/29/2011, 05:01 PM
Welp I had to go with my gut instinct here and had to cancel my order with AuraLED. I gave him time to get in contact with me but to no avail. This is just my personal experience...like i mentioned in previous post in this thread when i spoke to Robert he was a great guy but when he got my money the communication stopped. Soooo that is my experience hope everybody elses' experience go better than mine has.

IF FOR SOME REASON MY FIXTURE DOES SHOW UP AND MY MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN REFUNDED ROBERT WILL GET THE FIXTURE BACK!!! <<< THAT STATEMENT INCASE ROBERT IS READING THIS THREAD!!!

-Tyler

BubbaBoBobBrain
08/01/2011, 03:46 PM
I have had my fixture for a little over 2 months now and am dissapointed by it so far. In the last 2 months 1 of my anemones is about dead and the other one is withering away. All of my button polyps have closed up and died and my hammer branch had to be moved to the very top of the tank to keep alive. The only thing this light is good for is a fish only tank. The only coral I have that is doing ok in the tank are my mushrooms (and we all know they don't need much light to survive). So in my opinion stay away from these lights. Spend the extra money and get a diy cree setup or ecoray.

richardinphx
08/01/2011, 03:55 PM
how large was your tank, what did he build out for you... did it seem bright ?
how far from the water is your unit?

....Anyone else.....had one for a while?

wildman926
08/01/2011, 07:25 PM
Awesome!!

Here you go Bubba. Just copy and past the "IMG Code" from Photobucket into your replies. You definitely need more liverock.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00307.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00308.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/DSC00309.jpg

Thanx. I am pleased with the brightness of the lights. Still working on the single color shots. The battery on my camera died and I cant find the charger. When I find it I will post the shots. Also, I am picking up 150 more pounds of live rock right now. Just wanted to check the thread before I left.



Just wanted to repost the colors again. My mother cleaned them up quite a bit and made them much better.


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/RedLight.jpg
REDS

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/WhiteLighst.jpg
WHITES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/Bluelights.jpg
BLUES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/BlueWhiteLights-1.jpg
WHITES AND BLUES

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/BubbaBoBobBrain1979/All3Lighits.jpg
REDS, WHITES, and BLUES



I have had my fixture for a little over 2 months now and am dissapointed by it so far. In the last 2 months 1 of my anemones is about dead and the other one is withering away. All of my button polyps have closed up and died and my hammer branch had to be moved to the very top of the tank to keep alive. The only thing this light is good for is a fish only tank. The only coral I have that is doing ok in the tank are my mushrooms (and we all know they don't need much light to survive). So in my opinion stay away from these lights. Spend the extra money and get a diy cree setup or ecoray.

I would not blame the lights for your loss of animals, when you only set this tank up 2 months ago. You have to let the tank cycle, or you will have casualties. Sorry you lost some animals.

richardinphx
08/01/2011, 08:43 PM
good point.... I that much water it would take a good 60 days for the ammonia to cycle and for the proper bacteria to grow in the porosity of those rocks and sand... my experience anyway..(on my 18th year with reef tanks) - however anything does make one wonder

iLLwiLL
08/01/2011, 08:58 PM
after everything I read here, I'm soooo glad I was patient and DIY'd 3 x cree LED pendants for my 180. I'm at 25% intensity and all my corals are responding amazingly.

good luck to everyone that has one or plans on purchasing one of these.

~Will.

BubbaBoBobBrain
08/02/2011, 10:51 AM
The tank was not the problem. My parameters where always good. I had the tank running for over a month before I got these lights. And the anemones where the last things to go in there. I had them in my other tank that I broke down and added to my 220. It has to be the lights. Even my LFS said it was the lights because of the lack of wattage. My LFS says it doesn't matter what type of light you have( led, halide, t5, pc) if you want to keep a reef you need at least 3 watts per gallon. And he gets his info from going to shows and meetings where there are marine biologists. I should have done more research before jumping in to buy a cheap led setup. That's what happens when you go down the cheap path.

wildman926
08/02/2011, 11:33 AM
The tank was not the problem. My parameters where always good. I had the tank running for over a month before I got these lights. And the anemones where the last things to go in there. I had them in my other tank that I broke down and added to my 220. It has to be the lights. Even my LFS said it was the lights because of the lack of wattage. My LFS says it doesn't matter what type of light you have( led, halide, t5, pc) if you want to keep a reef you need at least 3 watts per gallon. And he gets his info from going to shows and meetings where there are marine biologists. I should have done more research before jumping in to buy a cheap led setup. That's what happens when you go down the cheap path.

What type of lights did you have in your other tank? It is very possible that with the change in lighting, and the new tank syndrome, that is why you lost your animals. Animals still have to adapt to lighting, like they do to water parameters.

3 months is still a very gray area with such a large tank.

I would look for another LFS. LEDs are very different than other lighting in reference to wattage. The reef inhabitants can adapt, but sometimes they don't. How do you explain those that have gone overboard with their setup, and lose animals? Then there are those that do not have a skimmer, and does not do water changes for over 1.5 years, and it is doing great? And the best part is, they top off their tank with tap water!! If you don't believe me, I can provide pics or introduce you to them.

tjohnson27209
08/02/2011, 12:58 PM
Just wanted to give people an update on my experience....I asked for a refund of my money that I paid for my fixture and Robert didnt argue with me at all. I was promptly provided my refund. I just wish I would have been able to get the lights. Communication is key for a small business IMO.

-Tyler

BubbaBoBobBrain
08/02/2011, 06:44 PM
My other tank was a 56 gallon column and I had a marineland power compact light on it that is now on my daughter's 29 gallon tank now and her tank is way brighter than my 220 and her corals are doing great. Don't get me wrong the red, white, and blue auraleds make the tank look great but I just don't think it puts out enough light for photosynthetic creatures. You guys are right about it possibly being new tank syndrome also but I am pretty confident in saying that its the lights.

bigkenny76
08/03/2011, 06:42 AM
My other tank was a 56 gallon column and I had a marineland power compact light on it that is now on my daughter's 29 gallon tank now and her tank is way brighter than my 220 and her corals are doing great. Don't get me wrong the red, white, and blue auraleds make the tank look great but I just don't think it puts out enough light for photosynthetic creatures. You guys are right about it possibly being new tank syndrome also but I am pretty confident in saying that its the lights.

So are you going to try a different light or stick it out and see how it goes?

Fryman
08/03/2011, 08:50 AM
The tank was not the problem. My parameters where always good. I had the tank running for over a month before I got these lights. And the anemones where the last things to go in there. I had them in my other tank that I broke down and added to my 220. It has to be the lights. Even my LFS said it was the lights because of the lack of wattage. My LFS says it doesn't matter what type of light you have( led, halide, t5, pc) if you want to keep a reef you need at least 3 watts per gallon. And he gets his info from going to shows and meetings where there are marine biologists. I should have done more research before jumping in to buy a cheap led setup. That's what happens when you go down the cheap path.

Your LFS is wrong. Whoever told you that doesn't have a clue.

You cannot compare wattage between MH, t5s and LEDs. The 3 watts per gal "rule" was meant for old lighting, it simply doesn't apply to LEDs.

The auraleds aren't PAR monsters by any means, but they put out sufficient light for most coral. If your livestock had very high light requirements it's possible they weren't getting enough, but more likely it was something else. You should not be adding nems to a 1-month old setup.

Sorry about your losses.

Osteomata
08/03/2011, 05:09 PM
Has anyone had succesful communication with Rob at Auraled in the last five days? Three unanswered emails (Friday, Monday, Tuesday), and the phone either goes straight to busy or rings with no pic up. I have been trying to address a significant issue I have with my lights, and i want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it feels like he's ducking me. If I am mistaken and we resolve this, I will be happy to give him a corrective post, but so far I have no responses, and absolutely terrible PAR measures. (35 at the sand, 115 1 inch below the surface.)

richardinphx
08/04/2011, 12:20 PM
... his voicemail is full, email not answered.... maybe on vacation ?

I would order mine today IF I could get a confirmation on my design.... AND
a fairly guaranteed delivery date.

:headwallblue:

richardinphx
08/04/2011, 12:22 PM
... his voicemail is full, email not answered.... maybe on vacation ?

I would order mine today IF I could get a confirmation on my design.... AND
a fairly guaranteed delivery date.

but noticed that the ebay listings, however, are now down to only 2 !!!!


:headwallblue:

Osteomata
08/04/2011, 04:00 PM
I lowered my lights to maybe 3 inches off the water, which resulted in less blockage from the euro brace as well as less distance to travel, and my PAR readings are now:
135 just below the water surface
90 six or seven inches down. Better slightly, but no where near what it should be for a coral growing light. very worried.

BubbaBoBobBrain
08/04/2011, 04:23 PM
I am going to have to ride it out with the Auraled's for now and hope for the best. And Fryman is right I cant count out new tank syndrome for sure but I am almost 100% sure its not that. I made sure my parameters were all perfect before my anemones went in my tank. I started the tank up in the beginning of April and didnt get the lights until around May 25. I put the anemones in last, around the July 1. So I could be wrong about the lights being the problem, but, until I can get my hands on my reef clubs par meter I guess I really shouldnt complain about the lights, because although they arent as bright as my daughters power compact they do make my tank look good, I do like the colors. So hopefully I can get the par meter soon to confirm what the problem is.

dpeoples
08/04/2011, 05:01 PM
Guys just a heads up from me. Rob emailed me today my system is ready. He said Wednesday so pretty close time wise. He is going to call me later so I can meet one of his trucks tomorrow. If I get it tomorrow, work might be intruding here, I will try and post some pictures and PAR readings this weekend. I'm excited hope it works out:celeb1:

Fryman
08/04/2011, 10:09 PM
I lowered my lights to maybe 3 inches off the water, which resulted in less blockage from the euro brace as well as less distance to travel, and my PAR readings are now:
135 just below the water surface
90 six or seven inches down. Better slightly, but no where near what it should be for a coral growing light. very worried.

Very understandable to be worried. That shouldn't be, those values are terrible. What does Rob say about it? Can you return them? Something isn't right.

What's the wattage on your setup? What meter are you using, & did you test it on another light source?

I think it's a really good idea to test your PAR. You can't go just by looks. When I first tried the PAR sensor out in what seemed to be a brightly lit room I thought it wasn't working because the readings were so low. Then I tried the sensor under bright sun and it goes through the roof...

Even 6-month old T5s have significantly less PAR output than new ones, and they look pretty much the same. So my main take from thus experience is when in doubt, measure. You can borrow a meter from your local reef club or even just a serious reefer in your area (maybe try an ad in craigslist).

I actually bought a sensor now & I'm glad I did.

Osteomata
08/05/2011, 06:52 AM
Rob does not say anything about it because he will not answer my emails. I have sent four of them so far (last Friday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday) and he has not responded at all. His phone either rings without pick up or goes straight to busy.

The wattage is, iirc, 170W. Four strings of blue, three of white, plus the little red lights.

I am using an Apogee PAR meter I borrowed from a helpful local club member, which I tested on his system prior to using it on mine. It is working great.



Very understandable to be worried. That shouldn't be, those values are terrible. What does Rob say about it? Can you return them? Something isn't right.

What's the wattage on your setup? What meter are you using, & did you test it on another light source?

I think it's a really good idea to test your PAR. You can't go just by looks. When I first tried the PAR sensor out in what seemed to be a brightly lit room I thought it wasn't working because the readings were so low. Then I tried the sensor under bright sun and it goes through the roof...

Even 6-month old T5s have significantly less PAR output than new ones, and they look pretty much the same. So my main take from thus experience is when in doubt, measure. You can borrow a meter from your local reef club or even just a serious reefer in your area (maybe try an ad in craigslist).

I actually bought a sensor now & I'm glad I did.

Osteomata
08/05/2011, 02:14 PM
I have adjusted my auraled position as best I can possibly make it, three inches off the water, carefully aligned to limit interference from bracing, and here is what I am getting for PAR readings
1" below water surface: 138
6" down, top of coral: 93
20" down, at sandbed: 46

The only questions to be determined now is if I have spent $850 on a light fixture tha will eventually allow most of my coral to die, and if the manufacturer of the light is willfully dodging my emails.

Fryman
08/05/2011, 04:59 PM
I have adjusted my auraled position as best I can possibly make it, three inches off the water, carefully aligned to limit interference from bracing, and here is what I am getting for PAR readings
1" below water surface: 138
6" down, top of coral: 93
20" down, at sandbed: 46

The only questions to be determined now is if I have spent $850 on a light fixture tha will eventually allow most of my coral to die, and if the manufacturer of the light is willfully dodging my emails.

If it were me I wouldn't use the light on my coral. Were you replacing another fixture that you can put back?

If you paid using Paypal, I believe you can submit a claim for a refund and he will at least have to respond, or else Paypal will refund you the money automatically. I hear Paypal is rather buyer-biased in their fraud investigations.

Or if you used a CC, you can contact your CC company.

Hope it works out for you.

richardinphx
08/06/2011, 11:35 AM
Fryman, sre you happy with yours all in all..... how long you had them operational
??

anyone have a guess why Osteo's are not producing..

Is it possible, if Rob has shop help, that a double string got wired into series thus dimming them...

OSTEO.. do you have any pictures of your setup with the lights so we can "see" them

hglumac
08/06/2011, 06:34 PM
Well...I have heard enough. I just placed my order with RapidLED for the biocube 29 kit and 2 color dimming kit. Im really sorry to see you guys having problems, I hope that AuraLED makes it right for everyone but I wouldn't hold my breath. I just dont think those sign modules have enough spunk to get the job done. Hopefully my cree xp-e and xp-g's will!

BubbaBoBobBrain
08/06/2011, 08:42 PM
Can't say that I blame you, wish I went the cree route also.

Osteomata
08/07/2011, 12:33 PM
Thanks for that reminder Fryman. I paid through paypal, and just started a case through their resolution center. We will see if that prompts a response.

Someone asked about pics earlier: I haven't taken any but will see about doing so. I can say that the lights look pretty bright, when off the tank, the blues look bright on the tank, but the whites look kinda puny on the tank. However, the PAR readings from the blue and from the white, when turned on seperately, are very close.

If it were me I wouldn't use the light on my coral. Were you replacing another fixture that you can put back?

If you paid using Paypal, I believe you can submit a claim for a refund and he will at least have to respond, or else Paypal will refund you the money automatically. I hear Paypal is rather buyer-biased in their fraud investigations.

Or if you used a CC, you can contact your CC company.

Hope it works out for you.

uxdesigner
08/10/2011, 11:35 PM
Thanks for the info I was thinking about going with Auraled. Will be placing my Cree order tomorrow :)

richardinphx
08/11/2011, 10:46 AM
has anyone had ANY contact with them in the last 3 weeks?
I am getting no answer, voicemail full, and no email inquiries returned since I first spoke with them 3 weeks ago....

Seems like that company is gone before it got started. They have a good idea, it could be tweaked and upgraded some so it seems... there are still 2 ebay listings

dpeoples
08/11/2011, 02:52 PM
Last I heard from him was last Thursday. Have not been able to get him by phone email or text since then either. Unfortunately I ha no choice but to open a Paypal claim myself on Tuesday. As of today he has not responded to them either. Kind of a shame he seemed like good guy who just got overwhelmed with orders I guess

ALLCARGO
08/11/2011, 03:35 PM
Here's my experience with Rob and Auraled:

A few months ago, I ordered a 175Watt, 6' setup for my 180G tank which was FOWLR in hopes of starting a reef tank for the first time. There were a few delays with the order, but I received it a few weeks after I ordered it (missing a couple of dimmers which were on back order)

Once I hooked everything up and put it into my canopy, I immediately noticed that they were not nearly as bright as my old 3 tube VHO's (yes, I said old...) I consulted with my guy who services my tank and he suggested that I didn't have enough light to grow corals. I called Rob and let him know.

He agreed to send me 2 additional strands of white lights and an extra dimmer for free and assured me that I would be able to grow any type of coral that I wanted. Well, sure enough I received the extra strands and dimmer which were easy to add to the retro kit. He also sent me an extra strand of LED's to light up my sump area for my understanding and patience.

So now I have the lights up and running. Still not as bright as the old VHO's, but they look nice. I am not sure about the PAR readings or if they will grow coral yet because I am having a bit of a chiller problem at the moment... my tank is running at 86 degrees no matter what I do (lights on or off). I can tell you that there is still heat coming off these LED's. I was under the impression that they would almost run cool, but I was wrong.

Overall, Rob was an honorable guy who did everything he said he was going to do.

I'm just not sure about the coral growing ability of the lights. For FOWLR, they are great.

He does have caller ID and knew when I was calling, so I assume he caould easily choose not to answer. The best way to get him is via email. Keep sending and he will eventually respond (at least he did with me).

Good luck all.

Water Tecn
08/12/2011, 12:44 AM
my buddy has this setup of leds over his 125 and coral does look amazing and is showing growth, tha par readings are horrible. The lights are using 3m glue to stick to the metal fixture and after 3 weeks have seen one already fall off into the water, and one led already went completely out. stay away

Osteomata
08/12/2011, 12:30 PM
It has been two weeks since I started my email attempt to contact him. He has not responded to any of the four. Nor does he answer the phone. At what point should I assume he is intentionally dodging me. My filing of a paypal dispute has not prompted a response either.

dpeoples
08/12/2011, 01:13 PM
Think you just need to wait out the Paypal thing now. Did you file a dispute or a claim. I filed a claim myself and he has not responded to them after five days already. Their policy is the seller has 10 days to respond or buyer "wins" by default and are reimbursed on the 11th day.

dendrodude
08/12/2011, 01:14 PM
my buddy has this setup of leds over his 125 and coral does look amazing and is showing growth, tha par readings are horrible. The lights are using 3m glue to stick to the metal fixture and after 3 weeks have seen one already fall off into the water, and one led already went completely out. stay away

so the coral was growing but par was horrible? why is there differences between others par readings on this?

Osteomata
08/12/2011, 09:06 PM
Well, I just found out my paypal case was closed since I missed the 45 day filing window by a week. So now this person has ripped me for an 800 dollar moonlight.

dpeoples
08/13/2011, 09:05 AM
Wow so sorry to hear that

hglumac
08/14/2011, 11:04 AM
Thats just terrible, Im so sorry you guys got ripped off.

maybe you could go after him through his real business...the sign thing.

Allbrite Signs Sales & Service

5121 E Virginia Beach Boulevard #A2
Norfolk, VA 23502-3419

For what its worth, I have had absolutely wonderful communication with Rapidled. I placed an order and instantly got confirmation, then a personal email thanking me and asking if I needed my stuff urgently as he was about to go on vacation, I told him there was no rush, then a few days later an email saying my order has been shipped. I expect it in the mail in 3-5 days.

Open and honest communication is so refreshing.

cadugauch
08/16/2011, 12:54 PM
Agreed. I would like to see some other numbers as well. Hopefully he went through Ebay and Paypal and has a course of action he can pursue to get a refund. I mean honestly if you are not satisfied for any reason his auctions have right on it 100% money back guarantee for any reason if not satisfied and that is all Ebay needs to do a refund. But 70 par at that wattage under only 8" seems like a really odd number. Please keep us all updated as to how this goes for you. Sorry about the problems you are having.

Hi and sorry for the late reply! I posted this and totally forgot to check back here!

I tried returning the product but Auraled's owner (ROB) would not accept! He told me it was a custom fixture so he would not take it back...even after SEVERAL emails of him saying that my satisfaction was GUARANTEED! Since i purchased it with my American Express, i initiated a dispute...and WON.

cadugauch
08/16/2011, 01:02 PM
Has anyone had succesful communication with Rob at Auraled in the last five days? Three unanswered emails (Friday, Monday, Tuesday), and the phone either goes straight to busy or rings with no pic up. I have been trying to address a significant issue I have with my lights, and i want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it feels like he's ducking me. If I am mistaken and we resolve this, I will be happy to give him a corrective post, but so far I have no responses, and absolutely terrible PAR measures. (35 at the sand, 115 1 inch below the surface.)

I had the EXACT same problem! He said he would not refund! I took action with American Express and got my money back.

richardinphx
08/16/2011, 01:05 PM
i'm thinking of rapidled too.. which kit did you order "hg"
at least they are Cree and 3watts so one "knows" how bright they will be..

cadugauch
08/16/2011, 01:07 PM
Yea that par is wrong. How far is that light off the water? I need a pic.

Hi,

The crazy thing is that the lights were directly on my glass canopy...about 3-4 inches from the water!

I stopped using the lights a long time ago and returned the fixture to Auraled'

I will post pictures tonight!

richardinphx
08/16/2011, 01:08 PM
this forum gets more and more valuable for information............. very revealing...

hglumac
08/16/2011, 01:34 PM
I bought the biocube 29 kit, it has 20 cree 3w led (xp series), 2 meanwell dimmable drivers, a heatsink that is drilled and tapped, a fan kit, and a ton of odds and ends to wire it up. All you need is a soldering iron and ability to read directions and soldier.

My kit came in the mail really fast and they were very helpful.
I'm not advertising for rapidled, just sharing a really good buying experience, check them out in the sponsor forum.

ChickenoftheSea
08/16/2011, 01:47 PM
So i'm not the only person having issues with getting in contact with Rob?

-Tyler

No, I purchased a 10 pack of white and a 5 pack of blue and with in 2 weeksw my blue diodes started dying one at a time. I emailed Rob and it took him almost a week to return my email.

At first I was pleased with his response because he apologized for the delay and no questions asked said he would send me a new pack of blue. I received the shipment info that Fedex received but the item never made it to fedex, and it didn't show up at my door.

When I tried to call and leave emails for him he never responded. I have given him the benefit of the doubt and have been calling and emailing him for weeks with no response. THESE LED's WILL NOT LAST!

Frustrated, I called and emailed the number on the card I received with me initial order and "Allbrite signs" sent me a response that Auraled is now separate from them and all question/concerns should be forwarded Rob and they gave me his email and number. So the previous statement about their experience in their industry goes out the window. AURALED IS A NEW COMPANY! I actually had to do something I hate doing. I had to make a claim on ebay :(

I WOULD NOT recommend that you purchase anything from this guy.

ViReef
08/17/2011, 08:22 PM
I just got my light last week, and the brightest is like a 40 watt light bulb, I email but no response, auraled = fail, in the past year I spent over 3000 in just lighting alone, I haven't found the right light yet, one of my friend got this led from eagle something k2 and is the best one so far, does anyone know what is the right name for the fixture? He purchased from Hong Kong

ViReef
08/17/2011, 09:11 PM
I just got my light last week, and the brightest is like a 40 watt light bulb, I email but no response, auraled = fail, in the past year I spent over 3000 in just lighting alone, I haven't found the right light yet, one of my friend got this led from eagle something k2 and is the best one so far, does anyone know what is the right name for the fixture? He purchased from Hong Kong

Found the name, Eco lamp kr92, my friend purchased for 400 36" man I want one

dpeoples
08/20/2011, 07:25 AM
Just wanted to update evereyone. Rob never has responded back to me nor did he respond to Paypal since I opened the claim 10 days ago. Paypal gave me a full refund this morning to my account. If any one else is still having problems and you used Paypal I strongly urge you to start the process now since it is only 45 days to file a claim. Good luck to all of you.

bigkenny76
08/21/2011, 08:24 AM
Just wanted to update evereyone. Rob never has responded back to me nor did he respond to Paypal since I opened the claim 10 days ago. Paypal gave me a full refund this morning to my account. If any one else is still having problems and you used Paypal I strongly urge you to start the process now since it is only 45 days to file a claim. Good luck to all of you.

So quick question ...im not use to using paypal so if you get your money refunded with the claim and he doesnt respond then what happens to the fixture? Does paypal take it? Seems like he would respond or try to make it right.

ChickenoftheSea
08/21/2011, 09:34 AM
You keep it dude, not that it matters since its a piece of crap anyway

dpeoples
08/21/2011, 09:49 AM
Yep you still kep it try and part it out. He did not even bother to reply to a single email paypal sent and they sent a ton. Just happy i got my money back. Spent extra and ordered 3 AI SOL Blue. They arrive on Wednesday

dendrodude
08/22/2011, 02:27 AM
I feel bad for the guy, he thought he had something. It obviously overtook him and now he's going under on it. BUT he should have known we would test the fixtures. My friend got one, it tested 130 par 3" from any spot on the lights and less from there above water, under water = forget about it. I have pictures for proof although I doubt anyone needs to see them to believe it. And for the guy that claims good par numbers, I call shanagens.

ChickenoftheSea
08/22/2011, 08:19 AM
What I think is painfully obvious is that people put weight in this company because they have been around years (as a sign company). These guys were idiots to put out a product they clearly didn't test and then to think it would make them money long term. People in this hobby don't like throwing away their money so in the instance where we occasionally buy a bad product, we are going to talk about it and the word will spread fast. This industry is truly cut-throat

wildman926
08/22/2011, 09:02 AM
What I think is painfully obvious is that people put weight in this company because they have been around years (as a sign company). These guys were idiots to put out a product they clearly didn't test and then to think it would make them money long term. People in this hobby don't like throwing away their money so in the instance where we occasionally buy a bad product, we are going to talk about it and the word will spread fast. This industry is truly cut-throat

Well said. I persoanally spoke with Rob, and thought from speaking with him, and his feedback on Ebay, it was a win/win situation. It is disheartening to see how this has played out. I am also glad I went a different route, with Current USA LED Pro strips.

richardinphx
08/22/2011, 10:18 AM
woah..................Auraled, disturbing, I was so close to ordering,IF he had called me back I would have placed that order and like everyone else regretted it!

I ordered my kit from RapidLed last week, Mike, who ansers the phone there, is completely awesome.. right up front with what he thinks will work for you - they sell a ton of this stuff, and they are knowledgeable ...

Good company to work with - they wont try to oversell you...

hglumac
08/22/2011, 10:48 AM
woah..................Auraled, disturbing, I was so close to ordering,IF he had called me back I would have placed that order and like everyone else regretted it!

I ordered my kit from RapidLed last week, Mike, who ansers the phone there, is completely awesome.. right up front with what he thinks will work for you - they sell a ton of this stuff, and they are knowledgeable ...

Good company to work with - they wont try to oversell you...



x2 on Rapidled, here is a link to my BC29 kit build thread, its just a start for now, i will update as I go. I was really pleased with the service I got from them. Mike is also very active on this forum in his sponsor section. It seems that all questions are answered very quickly.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2060378

Also it is always good to support the people who support this forum.

hglumac
09/08/2011, 02:24 PM
So how many people were totally ripped off?

dpeoples
09/08/2011, 03:26 PM
Got my cash back

BubbaBoBobBrain
09/08/2011, 06:44 PM
You can count me as 1 of the guys who got screwed. I will be buying a new light setup in a few months. I have had enough of these lights.

ChickenoftheSea
09/08/2011, 06:55 PM
I just got screwed from ebay with these lights because Rob won't return my calls, I went to ebay for help and they decided in the sellers favor because the items couldn't be returned in the state they were received and I was like "No S*&T they aren't in the same state, when I got them they were working and now they are just broken pieces of crap hanging from a reflector". So much for 2 years parts and labor and a 100% satisfaction or your money back guarantee!

BubbaBoBobBrain
09/08/2011, 07:21 PM
unfortunately I can see this list getting bigger and bigger. I would recommend people to avoid these lights unless they want to drop about $1000 on a light for fish only.

dpeoples
09/09/2011, 06:31 AM
Chicken did you use paypal? Once I opened my claim I had to wait the 10 days they give seller to respond and he never did so I got my money back the very next day. Sorry Ebay was not more helpful

BubbaBoBobBrain
09/09/2011, 07:55 AM
The problem with making a claim through pay pal, is that if you wait more than 45 days from your date of purchase they won't even take the case.

dpeoples
09/09/2011, 09:39 AM
Yea that is true I started mine at the 10 day mark

Fryman
09/22/2011, 01:35 PM
The blues stopped working on my Auraled. I looked it over last night and the first one after the plug is on but all the blues on the chain after the first one are out. I think it might be like the old Christmas-tree string light setup, where one would go out so all of them go out. Really bad design. Also a significant number of the LEDs are detaching. I was concerned about this happening, they are just attached w/ mounting tape. Definitely not rated for marine use.

I received the light three months ago. Since it was a month from when I purchased them, I only had a 15-day window to file for a refund through Paypal. That time has passed so I may be out of luck.

Rob is not responding to email or phone messages. So much for his promise of a 2 year warranty. I filed a complaint with the BBB and recommend others do the same. I submitted using the Auraled name, but maybe should have done "All Brite Sign" instead. I think I'd probably have to sue to get my money back, and Auraled / All Brite Sign is likely out of business anyway. This really sucks.

Looks like this purchase was a bad decision. Oh well, live & learn I guess.

waucedah_joe
09/23/2011, 09:18 AM
Mine work but are not nearly bright enough for a reef. The entire tank was in decline so after trying them for 2 months I put my T5 fixture back on. The coral that were still alive are starting to rebound. I had hoped to salvage the fixture by adding another 4 strings of lights to it but , like others, cant get them to return phone calls or email. I jumped on these because I could afford them at the time. Wish I'd waited until I could afford a proven fixture.

Fryman
09/26/2011, 04:42 PM
Important message for people ripped off by Auraled:

1) If you paid for the Auraled fixture via paypal and it is currently NOT operating or meeting Auraled's claims, open a paypay dispute ASAP even if you are beyond the 45-day buyer protection window. If Paypal receives a "large" number of disputes against a seller they may open a claim even if the 45 days has passed. I do not know how many disputes this requires, but it's worth a shot.

2) Open a dispute with the BBB at https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint/ The info I used:
NAME: Auraled Lighting Systems, ADDRESS: 5121 E Virginia Beach Blvd, Ste A2, Norfolk, VA 23502, PHONE: 757 462-9108 They will ask you for documentation. You can either fax or mail them printouts of the emails you received, ebay post (if applicable) & receipt.


If Paypal &/or the BBB can't provide resolution, the next step is to file a complaint with the FTC. I've decided this is too much money to just let it go.

richardinphx
10/03/2011, 05:20 PM
dont forget to send a letter to the Virginia State Attorney General's office too..
THEY WILL investigate the situation

g453006
10/06/2011, 05:36 PM
Robert Wood took the Auraled project with him when he split from Allbrite Signs on July 1, 2011. At that point, he absorbed all clients past & present as well as the liabilities associated. I have not spoken with him since the split. Other contact information should be available through Ebay, or the business email [email protected]

Respectfully,

Mark St. Clair

Acronic
10/07/2011, 01:02 AM
WOW crash and burn!!! what an epic fail. Im suprised nobody noticed the corals streching SOO far for light in all the pics and vids in the first couple pages. Unfortunate for those involved...

Fryman
10/07/2011, 02:11 PM
Robert Wood took the Auraled project with him when he split from Allbrite Signs on July 1, 2011. At that point, he absorbed all clients past & present as well as the liabilities associated. I have not spoken with him since the split. Other contact information should be available through Ebay, or the business email [email protected]

Respectfully,

Mark St. Clair

Interesting. I assume you are trying to distance yourself from the failed Auraled venture so as not to affect the Allbrite Sign business. The problem is that my payment was to YOUR paypal account. So...please understand my skepticism.

If you were really not a part of the Auraled venture I'm sorry that you are being dragged into this. However, I paid YOU (Marc St. Clair) $550 as verified by Paypal. It stands to reason that I would look to you for a refund when the purchase conditions were not met. If you can back up legally your assertion that Rob "absorbed the liabilities" and/or Paypal is making a mistake on this, then I need to know ASAP.

g453006
10/07/2011, 07:17 PM
Actually, I had no idea that Auraled was facing such problems until I saw these posts. I am truly sorry that that such a great idea has had so many issues. As it stands, Robert Wood officially absorbed Auraled clients (past & present) as well as the liabilities in an Asset division agreement that was duly enacted & notarized. Robert and I split for reasons other than Auraled and since he had spearheaded the project, and was the reef enthusiast, I took no claim and allowed him to walk away with it. I am sorry for your predicament, but the agreement stands. An earlier post has the correct phone number for Rob, and if legal inquiries are made, I will gladly post a copy of the division agreement. So yes, I am distancing myself, but only through the agreement. I will check this post regularly, so if there are more questions, I will answer them.]

Respectfully,

Mark St. Clair

BubbaBoBobBrain
10/10/2011, 07:42 PM
Important message for people ripped off by Auraled:

1) If you paid for the Auraled fixture via paypal and it is currently NOT operating or meeting Auraled's claims, open a paypay dispute ASAP even if you are beyond the 45-day buyer protection window. If Paypal receives a "large" number of disputes against a seller they may open a claim even if the 45 days has passed. I do not know how many disputes this requires, but it's worth a shot.

2) Open a dispute with the BBB at https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint/ The info I used:
NAME: Auraled Lighting Systems, ADDRESS: 5121 E Virginia Beach Blvd, Ste A2, Norfolk, VA 23502, PHONE: 757 462-9108 They will ask you for documentation. You can either fax or mail them printouts of the emails you received, ebay post (if applicable) & receipt.


If Paypal &/or the BBB can't provide resolution, the next step is to file a complaint with the FTC. I've decided this is too much money to just let it go.

Im on the band wagon here with Fryman. My auraled fixture is aweful, and due to the size of my tank I dropped over $1000 on this piece of crap fixture. I just filed a claim through paypal and they said I was past the claim date, but if there was a bunch more claims within the next 180 days they would look into the situation further. So Im asking all of my fellow reefers out there that got ripped of by buying these lights and paid with paypal to make a claim even if you are past the 45 day limit. Maybe if enough of us complain they will try to get us our money back. I have had my fixture for about 6 months now and have lost both of my anemones and several corals, along with a few of the led's that stopped working. So please do not hesitate to file a paypal claim. If enough of us make our voices heard maybe something positive can come out of this dark situation for all of us involved with this lighting scam.

SaltwaterDan
10/13/2011, 02:32 PM
I too filed a claim with Paypal. They also said it was past the 45 day limit, but left the window open if there are enough claims. These leds turned out to be crap and now my corals are paying the price. Oh and my $500!

BubbaBoBobBrain
10/13/2011, 03:41 PM
Its pretty ridiculous that paypal only gives a 45 day window. The window should vary with certain products like these lights. In most cases it takes a few months before you really start to see the negative effects of poor lighting in our tanks. I suggest everyone that bought these lights to call the Virginia Attorney General and complain. Im hoping that enough of us will do this and get some justice. Its bad enough that we paid all this money for these lights, but Rob Wood is a coral and anemone murderer by guaranteeing these lights will be great and then tucking his tail between his legs and running when they dont pan out and he cant handle all the complaints. It really sucks that our corals and anemones have to pay the price for a P.O.S fixture that didnt pan out and a hot shot salesman that cant keep his word. I seriously feel violated by this and hope to get my money back. I know its a longshot, and most likely wont happen, but its still worth a shot. I really hope that all of us here will call the Virginia Attorney General and file a complaint, because I really want to get some justice here. It sucks that now I am scrambling for money to buy a fixture that is gonna work properly and keep everything alive and well. Im sorry I keep rambling on but I am incredibly frustrated with this whole situation. This definitely makes me never want to take a companies word and try a product that isnt completely proven again, and its a shame.

yachtdr22
01/24/2012, 04:11 PM
Greetings all,

I bought a used 125 with a auraled hood.
over half have burned out and not sure what direction to go.

I am looking at a Rapid LED solution?

Soliciting ideas!

thanks

BubbaBoBobBrain
01/24/2012, 04:31 PM
If you want to stay with leds and dont want to go the diy route check out either the "radion leds" or "acan leds." They are both reputable companies that will back up their product. Plus they both use full spectrum leds and not just the whites and blues.

yachtdr22
01/25/2012, 07:12 PM
Hi Bubba,
Thanks for the info. I am ok w/ DIY and actually prefer it.

What did you end up doing?

I have a quote from Rapid for $ 800.00 to replace what I have. (36 B, 36W, 4Red)

your thoughts?

Thanks again!
Drew

BubbaBoBobBrain
01/26/2012, 02:20 AM
Unfortunately I am still saving, but after this auraled scam I am going back to t5s I am gonna get the 60" ATI powermodule 10x80 watt fixture. I know that the cree leds are great and that there are several led fixtures that are excellent but this whole experience with Auraled put a bad taste in my mouth for leds. Plus I dont like rhe look of the diy stuff and im not a good enough craftsman to make them look nice.

yachtdr22
05/04/2012, 03:48 PM
Is anyone still using their Arualeds??
I am going to part mine out to those who are trying to keep it going....

any interest?