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andrewkw
07/03/2011, 09:34 AM
Yesterday I was finally ready to convert my old Ceph tank which initially housed dwarf cuttlefish, then an octopus to a predator / nps tank.

I went to a local fish store to purchase a snowflake eel as the first inhabitant. Since the tank is already Octo proof an eel would be no problem. Little did I know what I'd come home with.

They had a critter keeper with an unknown Octopus hiding in a pvc elbow. I figured at this side it had to be a dwarf, but I'll take a look anyway. When they got him out I was shocked to find an almost perfect O. Briareus! He had all 8 of his arms and was super tiny. At this point I basically had to buy it. If I left it in the store some idiot would have taken it home and stuck it in his reef or tried to feed it goldfish or something else silly, so I took him home.

I'm keeping him in the critter keeper for now inside the 90. He ate ghost shrimp in the store and I fed him a bit of PE Mysis but I will soon move him to uncooked shrimp. If I can get him eating out of my hand early that will be great and I can release him into the tank.

Typically they hide all the time until about 5 months of age. This guy is probably 2-3 months old and if I put him in the tank now I probably won't see him until the end of summer. I'd also have to exclusively feed him live food since I'd never see him so I'll do my best to avoid that situation.

Here are the first pics, much much more to come.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--Tary1I8PS0/Tg9gbnSRWNI/AAAAAAAAKCA/mj9fXpnjuH8/s800/IMGP8913.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hwaSb4ooYoA/Tg9gfmXX-PI/AAAAAAAAKCE/SgHZuX8MYDk/s800/IMGP8912.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HUbG5y-cB3M/Tg9gf9sZuTI/AAAAAAAAKCI/S1Bqb_SXUTs/s800/IMGP8914.JPG

andrewkw
07/03/2011, 01:15 PM
I got him to take some PE Mysis off the tweezers again today. Also he grabbed my hand but is still very timid.

He's not too happy in the critter keeper but the stress he has in there is worth it as it's getting him comfortable with me. I added a second darker pvc that is more enclosed should he feel the need to hide in there.

First videos!

http://youtu.be/s1DwX8brCEE

http://youtu.be/qiylwwKmiI8

haysanatar
07/04/2011, 12:31 PM
nice!

Flame_Angel
07/09/2011, 09:55 AM
Gorgeous! Love the blue eyes on him.

andrewkw
07/10/2011, 07:29 PM
Didn't take him long to escape the critter keeper. He just wasn't happy in there but in the main display he is adjusting very well.

Here are some pictures I never got a chance to post from last week. Prior to the escape.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-oyEMWT-XJKI/ThpAPlU8FQI/AAAAAAAAKEk/PuxDGvw7Iq8/s800/1.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ezson7RVYW0/ThpAQkSsuUI/AAAAAAAAKEo/gO36l-I-zvI/s800/2.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2XGJjLrkZ6k/ThpAXpSs2LI/AAAAAAAAKEs/pl7qqx2rai8/s800/3.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GdmmpZzVats/ThpAeoaCpNI/AAAAAAAAKFQ/KNvEskUqH5s/s800/5.JPG

Today I went to feed him a fiddler on tweezers, he grabbed the tweezers out of my hand and the crab made a run for it. I later got them back and gave him some pe mysis. He also grabbed my hand with 2 arms and held on for about 5 seconds. I'm surprised he is so bold, but still super shy. After a 10 minute staring contest he darted towards the back swimming like a squid. I think he may have found the crab but it's hard to say. Hopefully he continues to be this easy to find and feed, I did not see my first octopus for about 2 months straight, didn't matter if it was the middle of the day or the middle of the night I never saw him and the only way I knew he was even around was that crabs were disappearing. Hopefully that means this guy will be much more friendly early on.

andrewkw
07/17/2011, 06:42 PM
Just 2 weeks in and he's out and about during daylight!

I was shocked to go downstairs and see him on the glass. Of course camcorder battery was almost dead but I got one video then another with my iphone.

He was out for a good 10 minutes then I gave him some PE Mysis, at first again more interested in the tweezers but then he started picking up the mysis one by one before darting to the back.

Going to try and pick up some ghost shrimp this week and will probably end up placing an order for fiddlers from paul. Right now the heat is brutal so it might not be the best time to order.

Anyway here is the video and some pics :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhhxLNl_ns

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4z8FQELn1YU/TiNnWanHmVI/AAAAAAAAKIQ/VkmSJ-CwoB4/s800/IMG_9312.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Fmxw1FHV4o0/TiNnXVY8u2I/AAAAAAAAKIU/i46ZLPL9LjQ/s800/IMG_9309.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NjqwQpl0Cs0/TiNnpMQDScI/AAAAAAAAKIk/B4HPC0ya5mM/s800/IMG_9306.JPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN0SyU4KAaU

curlykid
07/19/2011, 10:33 AM
caribbean reef octopus?

Jocephus
07/21/2011, 09:39 AM
Pretty little guy!

ashtree68
07/22/2011, 12:47 PM
Very jealous, would love to get one!

andrewkw
08/21/2011, 10:43 AM
Poor guy could not figure out how to get a crab out of an open jar. He made half a dozen attempts and with the lights soon coming on I gave him another crab. Which he pounced on before i could even turn the camera to him.

He is still very shy but he did grab my arm a couple of times and stay relatively in the open. I took a couple of pictures and some videos which are below :

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KrvqyUHUWlU/TlEeBZUiTNI/AAAAAAAAK0I/c6_upTzqSzA/s800/IMG_0303.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K9m24R6g4H4/TlEeHKUdwII/AAAAAAAAK0Q/NfGQB-VJWyU/s800/IMG_0311.JPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjLZgmSMF1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evd5N1-Xxvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-dey3kGTQk

jeosbo
08/23/2011, 11:06 AM
That little guy is awesome

haysanatar
08/23/2011, 11:13 AM
cool litle bugger
how do you have to top secured?

Lmecher
08/23/2011, 02:09 PM
I am very jealous, the LFS around here almost never carry octopuses. Nice find : )

jeosbo
08/24/2011, 08:05 AM
What is the average lifespan for this species? I'd love to mess with cephs but their lifespan makes me a little nervous.

andrewkw
08/24/2011, 07:02 PM
I have mesh on the top with wood weighing it down across the eurobracing.

The average lifespan of this species is 12-18 months but the last one I had didn't quite make it that long. I think it's closer to 12 but over a year has been done.

jeosbo
08/25/2011, 10:02 AM
I have mesh on the top with wood weighing it down across the eurobracing.

The average lifespan of this species is 12-18 months but the last one I had didn't quite make it that long. I think it's closer to 12 but over a year has been done.

Thanks...forgive my ignorance but are there any species with significantly longer lifespans (years not months)?

andrewkw
08/25/2011, 09:54 PM
GPO (giant pacific octopus) is the only one that will live a couple of years. You need 1000+ gallons a chiller, a ton of food to keep one and probably have to collect it yourself.

A lot of the dwarf species lifespan is only 6-8 months which is part of the reason they have a reputation for being hard to keep. They aren't really hard they just don't live long no matter what.

Captivity lifespans are generally longer then in the wild since no predators and you can hand feed them after they lose the will to hunt.

I took this video this morning, almost eating out of my hand.

http://youtu.be/eGOX1tdXKSg

jeosbo
08/26/2011, 08:17 AM
Awesome video...and thanks for the info, looks like no octopi for me right now though.

CCarlson
08/27/2011, 07:00 AM
Great vids!

andrewkw
09/06/2011, 09:10 PM
The colour changes in this video are very impressive. The fact he can't get the crab out of a jar with no lid not so much..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvDaTn7HuZA

Jasanden
09/07/2011, 05:09 PM
The color change is amazing. I have to ask , what made you change from a cuttle tank to octopus?

andrewkw
09/07/2011, 06:20 PM
The color change is amazing. I have to ask , what made you change from a cuttle tank to octopus?

Well for one the cuttlefish died. This is actually my second octopus, I kept cuttlefish twice but never got them to successfully lay eggs. The second batch did mate but they died before any eggs were laid.

The biggest reason is cost. I still feed my octo live crabs but can make do with 2-3 shipments throughout his life and also feed him any number of locally available grocery store foods primarily uncooked shrimp.

Baby cuttlefish require hundreds of mysids, which cost hundreds of dollars. I needed shipments every 2 weeks at least 4-5 times which cost hundreds of dollars. Then shore shimp then finally they would eat some frozen.

aerie2008
09/08/2011, 01:01 PM
SWEET! Please keep posting pics.

LeLutinBanni
09/09/2011, 10:27 AM
This is crazy...keep posting

andrewkw
09/26/2011, 10:16 PM
New photos followed by a bunch of new videos. They are uploading now.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ChtQAi7Gc7Q/ToE2C_qUc6I/AAAAAAAAK-4/34BEwkyYSK8/s800/IMG_1082.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ChtQAi7Gc7Q/ToE2C_qUc6I/AAAAAAAAK-4/34BEwkyYSK8/s800/IMG_1082.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4VBcU2MQKuY/ToE2JiUWK5I/AAAAAAAAK-8/Q-ueGFkV1x4/s800/IMG_1084.JPG

http://youtu.be/l5pclPwOGeo

andrewkw
09/27/2011, 06:36 AM
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cadre
09/27/2011, 01:18 PM
He's getting big! Are you working on teaching him to open jars?

keydiver
09/27/2011, 07:31 PM
So awesome. It would be cool to see the process of stimulus and response with opening the jar

andrewkw
09/27/2011, 07:57 PM
He doesn't like doing tricks for the camera.

He does eventually get the crab out of the jar but it's not taped. There is no lid on the jar either but he still struggles to reach in. I think this species is not one of the smarter ones.

That being said he somehow got an entire table shrimp out of a little plastic container with tiny tiny holes and did it without opening the container, or he closed it after he was done eating :)

He does respond well to human interaction as seen in the first video he actually reaches out of the water to touch my hand but has never once shown any indication he would like to escape.

One thing he is always interested in is watching me clean my reef tank which is just a few feet away.

andrewkw
09/27/2011, 07:58 PM
He doesn't like doing tricks for the camera.

He does eventually get the crab out of the jar but it's not taped. There is no lid on the jar either but he still struggles to reach in. I think this species is not one of the smarter ones.

That being said he somehow got an entire table shrimp out of a little plastic container with tiny tiny holes and did it without opening the container, or he closed it after he was done eating :)

He does respond well to human interaction as seen in the first video he actually reaches out of the water to touch my hand but has never once shown any indication he would like to escape.

One thing he is always interested in is watching me clean my reef tank which is just a few feet away.

cadre
09/28/2011, 12:19 PM
Andrew, have you tried a jar that's not clear? I feel like there's probably some confusion with the glass being clear. Maybe start with a painted jar and then switch to a clear one? Baby steps!

LeLutinBanni
09/30/2011, 12:27 PM
Y u no posting more videos ?

andrewkw
10/01/2011, 09:25 AM
So a couple of interesting things lately. She has been out more and more. I am thinking this is a female but please correct me if I'm wrong. Every few days she will come out during the day. Usually when hungry. Yesterday while defrosting a shrimp I held it over the tank and she crawled out to get it! I guess I shouldn't be teaching this kind of behavior, as neither Octopus I kept ever showed even the slightest inclination to escape.

After she went back in she let me pick her up right out of the water. She then proceeded to squirt water and I put her down. Lots of photos. Lots of videos and finally I got a decent video of her opening up this plastic container :

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andrewkw
10/02/2011, 03:40 PM
One more quick video

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romsoccer12
10/12/2011, 04:22 PM
wow i didnt no they were so social. cool thread

andrewkw
11/13/2011, 09:21 AM
5 days ago I became the first person to record a bite from an Octopus Briareus! As soon as he broke the skin I started moving around until I could get him to release me.

Initially I didn't think it was a big deal, however about 12hrs later in the shower there was a mild to moderate burn. It swelled up, but still very minor. By the next day I did not feel it at all, but now 5 days later there is a tiny mark.

Yesterday I decided I better clean the front glass since I went to the extra expensive of buying a starfire front. I'm really trying to reboot my tanks after several months of neglect. The octo tank is the only one that doesn't really require much, empty the skimmer cup once in a while and a quick water change. Since there are no corals and low light, I don't get excessive algae growth and never test the water.

Anyway here are the bite pictures and then some new photos of the Octopus.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vEOo2aEtIY4/Tr_dIXCY6wI/AAAAAAAALWA/S8Z83n3QmMc/s800/bite.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5GjAZR_0f58/Tr_dJf0bhtI/AAAAAAAALWA/PMUqwWOhm5s/s800/bite5dayslater.jpg\

Again the bite overall was nothing. Less of a sting then a lionfish or bee.

After a few flash pics he decided to ink so I took the rest without the flash

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9HtOPdf519k/Tr_WuWLXxYI/AAAAAAAALUk/OfAy0j-K3KM/s800/IMG_3775.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6wWq75NYPPU/Tr_XX99ASHI/AAAAAAAALUk/n0ZsA0FQT7Y/s800/IMG_3801.JPG

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romsoccer12
11/13/2011, 10:35 AM
guess they arent so social haha

fullmonti
11/24/2011, 09:24 PM
I would love to keep one of these critters. But I know I would get so attached to it, it would be to hard to lose it in a year or so. They sure are fascinating!

keywestcoralboy
12/08/2011, 12:18 PM
Andrewkw are you in kw? Also nice octopuse, I'm sure they live more than a year. The ones that are in my lagoon at my house are enormous compared to that guy. They are always big ones in the mangroves but every once in a while I see a baby I have always wanted to try to keep one you have inspired me with your super cool octopus!

cadre
12/08/2011, 12:27 PM
The members at tonmo know more about this than I do but that looks like a male to me. Did it figure out how to open jars yet?