The upper lip separating???

[DoubleM 10]

Hey everyone! My beloved fuzzy dwarf lion has an issue.

His upper lip is seperating from itself. I have done a search on this forum and google and have found nothing on the subject. It looks like if it progresses it will affect his eating habits. Has anyone seen this before??? If so how do I fix it? Is it old age?

Thanks for the help in advanced.

[wes1333]

Do you have a pic?

[DoubleM 10]

yes i do

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd371/VitaminM10/IMG_0775.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd371/VitaminM10/IMG_0777.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd371/VitaminM10/IMG_0778.jpg

sorry the pics are not the greatest but i hope they help

[StephLionfish]

It kind of looks like lock-jaw? What do you feed him/her?

[DoubleM 10]

jumbo mysis and silversides. He has not had any freshwater feeders since november.

[StephLionfish]

Is he still eating? Do you hand-feed? Could he have hit the rocks or something trying to get a piece of food?

[DoubleM 10]

no hand feeding. yes he is still eating. he is not eating the silversides cause of the mouth. i put the food in and let the current make is seem alive. so it is possible that he hit something while feeding. on the other hand it is the same thing on both sides of his mouth. so idk if it happend on both side. i could not get a good pic of the other side to post the pic

[StephLionfish]

I was thinking, maybe, if he hit his mouth, it dislodged his jaw.
I'm not sure, just wanted to get that thought out there. We'll have to wait for the "experts" to chime in....

[DoubleM 10]

I was thinking, maybe, if he hit his mouth, it dislodged his jaw.
I'm not sure, just wanted to get that thought out there. We'll have to wait for the "experts" to chime in....

Yeah I hope whatever it is is curable. And lockjaw sounds like it could be the culprit. But who knows

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[namxas]

We have actually had a lion (P. volitans) that smacked itself on a rock while chasing live prey (it no longer gets live "treats"), and it did indeed appear to dislodge its jaw a bit, but went back into shape on its own in a few days.

It's hard to tell anything from your pix as you may be trying to shoot them from too close a distance and your camera can't focus that close in, so they're a bit fuzzy.

[DoubleM 10]

well i tried to get the pix close so you can see what im talking about. from farther its hard to tell what im talking about. in picture 2 and 3 you can see what im talking about. its the same thing on both sides of the mouth

[namxas]

If it's what I think I'm seeing, the fish either bumped it during a strike or it has a mild case of lockjaw, altho I suspect the former. Since the fish is eating, keep an eye on it, and it may pop back into place. Make sure it eats smaller pieces of food.

[seahorsedreams]

Usually in these cases, I change some water, get some vitamins in him, go over my food records and see if there are improvements I can make and watch for a couple of days. One of the fuzzies did this a couple of times as I remember holding my breath each time.

You see alot of issues going on as all our tank temps go up in the summer.

Feed him well just in case he stops eating at some point. He will have more reserves to fight if he's a little fatty. Go to the market. Change up his diet. Salmon is fantastic in such times.

[seahorsedreams]

Why does his eye have that little bulgy thing under there? Is that discoloration, camera trick or ?

If he's eyes start to get puffy, it's probably bacterial, and I would quickly get him into antibiotics. It's hard to describe, but you can see it in their eyes and face when they are about to be sick.... kind of like the day before you kid comes down with a cold.... you just know somethings up.

[DoubleM 10]

Why does his eye have that little bulgy thing under there? Is that discoloration, camera trick or ?

If he's eyes start to get puffy, it's probably bacterial, and I would quickly get him into antibiotics. It's hard to describe, but you can see it in their eyes and face when they are about to be sick.... kind of like the day before you kid comes down with a cold.... you just know somethings up.

well i dont have kids but i will definatly keep that in mind lol

i will double check the eye thing when i get out of work. what kind of anti-biotics would you suggest?

[Brycen97]

I know how to fix it.... SUPER GLUE

[DoubleM 10]

I know how to fix it.... SUPER GLUE

thanks. i hope you make it to your 50th post count. good luck

[seahorsedreams]

well i dont have kids but i will definatly keep that in mind lol

i will double check the eye thing when i get out of work. what kind of anti-biotics would you suggest?

I've started using Furan-2 for a lot of things.


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[DoubleM 10]

I found some vitamins at the lfs. It's by bright well aquatis called vitamin m. M erasing for multiple we will see what happens. Is their a chance he will be normal again??

[Brycen97]

Good luck keep us posted on if you get it fixed or if he makes it

[DoubleM 10]

Good luck keep us posted on if you get it fixed or if he makes it

Still haven't made it to 50?? Lmfao
And thanks

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[seahorsedreams]

Is their a chance he will be normal again??

Oh yes.



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[DoubleM 10]

Oh yes.



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Ok good. He ate some today. Not as much as I want but eating is better than not.

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[Mental1]

Hey Matt -- putting my guy into a QT and lowering the temp and salinity really seemed to do the trick. And the Vit. C -- what did you all it Renee? Nectar of the gods? He seemed great -- my fingers are crossed that he is still okay when I get home tomorrow! IS your guy in a QT?

[DoubleM 10]

No he is not in qt. I figure moving him would be more stress. He is acting very normal. So I have my fingers crossed for him

[seahorsedreams]

Have y'all seen My Big fat Greek Wedding? Vitamin C is my Windex.

[DoubleM 10]

Have y'all seen My Big fat Greek Wedding? Vitamin C is my Windex.

Yep I have seen it lol

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[seahorsedreams]

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll73/hixphotobucket/my-big-fat-greek-wedding-6.jpg

[DoubleM 10]

Well just thought I would update you.

The lip is still the same. Soaking the food in vitamins and feeding a little more often for him alone.

It sucks. Cause he doesn't eat as much as he used to but eats what he can and always shows interest

[namxas]

Just stay with it...as long as the fish is eating, that's a good sign.

[DoubleM 10]

Just stay with it...as long as the fish is eating, that's a good sign.

Yeah. Just seems at this rate I will have to get live food soon

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[seahorsedreams]

Dang. That's not good that it hasn't gone by now. I've never had it stay beyond a day, so I don't have any personal experience beyond that (in scorps).

Every fish species have instances of lock jaw if you did an internet search, which I'm sure you have. The one fish I've had it happen to was seahorses and we called it stuck trigger. It's probably the same deal. It was never a very positive thing with seahorses, but for different reasons that aren't present in scorps/lions.

[DoubleM 10]

Dang. That's not good that it hasn't gone by now. I've never had it stay beyond a day, so I don't have any personal experience beyond that (in scorps).

Every fish species have instances of lock jaw if you did an internet search, which I'm sure you have. The one fish I've had it happen to was seahorses and we called it stuck trigger. It's probably the same deal. It was never a very positive thing with seahorses, but for different reasons that aren't present in scorps/lions.

Well thats not the news I wanted to hear. But it is what it is

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[DoubleM 10]

Well sad to say he did not make it. He passed late Saturday night.

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[bigfish520]

Sorry for your loss man, I have 2 dwarf fuzzys and I love those little guys.

[namxas]

That sux, Matt. It's tuff to lose one.

[DoubleM 10]

Yeah. He was an original to my tanks. Thanks for the condolences

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[StephLionfish]

Aw dang that stinks....sorry he didn't make it :(

[seahorsedreams]

Oh No! Sorry to hear that :-(

[fish stalker]

Sorry about your fish, any loss sucks, even more so when you've tried so hard to prevent it.