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Terryz_
09/09/2011, 08:33 PM
Hi, Is there a possibility of getting a A. japonicus x A. nigricans Hybrid?

I am not really sure if I got hybrid or a variant.

First, it have A. japonicus caudal fin.
Second, it have a bright orange tint at the end of the dorsal and anal fin.
Thirdly, its body color is like a mixture of the a A. japonicus and A. nigricans (Might not be a difference as it might varies, I just put for the sake if there is a difference)

The face is A. nigricans face...

I know if there is a photo, it will be easier to comment. I will try to get a photo after my lights are up and if it is swimming out more. But I dun wan to get my hope up too high, it might be a varient.. Just want to see if anyone have a similar one..

pacislandaqua
09/09/2011, 10:41 PM
only a picture will tell :)

copps
09/09/2011, 11:15 PM
Terry, this is a documented hybrid so it's possible... nigricans is the promiscuous species of the bunch... hybridizing with achilles, leucosternon and japonicus...:fun4:

Copps

Terryz_
09/09/2011, 11:16 PM
I will try to take photo or a video as I am using a mobile camera..

Terryz_
09/09/2011, 11:20 PM
Terry, this is a documented hybrid so it's possible... nigricans is the promiscuous species of the bunch... hybridizing with achilles, leucosternon and japonicus...:fun4:

Copps

Hi copps, is there any photo that you might happen to have.. as I have never seen this hybrid before until i stumbled upon on yesterday.. maybe they are not that attractive compared to the other hybrids.. but it would be quite nice to see them as I can't find any photo on the web... The other two hybrid have seen before in person..

Luiz Rocha
09/10/2011, 12:09 AM
This is the closest I've got, A. achiles X A. nigricans hybrid photographed in Guam:

http://www.luizrocha.com/fish/hybrid4.jpg

Terryz_
09/10/2011, 08:02 AM
The video, not sure if can notice that the tail is like a japonicus tail... The orange tinge on the end of the dorsal and anal fin can be seen...
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/Terryz87/New%20Camera/th_VIDEO0008-1.jpg (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/Terryz87/New%20Camera/?action=view&current=VIDEO0008-1.mp4)

ptan
09/10/2011, 08:39 AM
This is the closest I've got, A. achiles X A. nigricans hybrid photographed in Guam:

http://www.luizrocha.com/fish/hybrid4.jpg



got one of this from hong kong... will try to post some pics of it... achilles tang is more impressive than this hybrid...

copps
09/10/2011, 09:54 AM
Hi copps, is there any photo that you might happen to have.. as I have never seen this hybrid before until i stumbled upon on yesterday.. maybe they are not that attractive compared to the other hybrids.. but it would be quite nice to see them as I can't find any photo on the web... The other two hybrid have seen before in person..

Hey Terry, I've seen a photo somewhere, but I do not recall... this hybrid is documented by Jack Randall and he published a paper in 2000 on the hybrids in the achilles complex... it's of course a more subtle hybrid... I own two nigricans hybrids but unfortunately they are with achilles and leucosternon... get pics!

Copps

Terryz_
09/10/2011, 10:46 PM
Hey Terry, I've seen a photo somewhere, but I do not recall... this hybrid is documented by Jack Randall and he published a paper in 2000 on the hybrids in the achilles complex... it's of course a more subtle hybrid... I own two nigricans hybrids but unfortunately they are with achilles and leucosternon... get pics!

Copps

Hi copps, thanks for the info, I will see if I can find the book by jack randall in my library... I will borrow a camera and get a more decent photo...

Luiz Rocha
09/10/2011, 11:16 PM
It's not a book Terry, it's a research paper. Here is the full reference:

Randall, J. E. and J. Frische. 2000. Hybrid surgeonfishes of the Acanthurus achilles complex. aqua, Journal of Ichthyology and Aquatic Biology v. 4 (no. 2): 51-56.

Terryz_
09/11/2011, 10:54 AM
It's not a book Terry, it's a research paper. Here is the full reference:

Randall, J. E. and J. Frische. 2000. Hybrid surgeonfishes of the Acanthurus achilles complex. aqua, Journal of Ichthyology and Aquatic Biology v. 4 (no. 2): 51-56.

Is there any way I can find it online or anywhere? By the way I am not located in US...

Luiz Rocha
09/11/2011, 04:10 PM
Is there any way I can find it online or anywhere? By the way I am not located in US...

Highly unlikely, this journal doesn't publish in PDF. I will try to locate an electronic copy for you.

humaguy
09/12/2011, 06:20 AM
looking forward to pics!

Terryz_
09/12/2011, 07:59 AM
looking forward to pics!

I couldnt get a very decent pic... SO i took a video instead and it is posted in the the previous post.. Just click on the image to view..

copps
09/12/2011, 08:46 PM
Terry all I see is nigricans, although it's tough as I feel like I'm watching the fish through a Coke bottle...:D Can you get better pics?

Terryz_
09/12/2011, 09:13 PM
Terry all I see is nigricans, although it's tough as I feel like I'm watching the fish through a Coke bottle...:D Can you get better pics?

I will try to borrow a camera... LOL...

Terryz_
09/25/2011, 12:49 AM
Please dont mind the white spot it is still quite new, it is still feeding well, will let it fight it off by itself...

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/Terryz87/P1020268.jpg

A short video of it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV-yCJQ84HE

djmurray
09/25/2011, 07:23 AM
I would say just nigricans, it's still difficult as the image is dark.

rehab
09/25/2011, 12:44 PM
Very nice and interesting color on that tang. Keep us update on the battle with ich.

BADGUS
10/03/2011, 08:01 AM
It looks like a standard gold rim tang,why risk such a nice fish with ich,i would QT asap.I learned the hard way.

Terryz_
10/03/2011, 09:30 AM
Nonetheless, I love it... It is rid of most ich now...