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CuttleKid
09/25/2011, 12:56 PM
I went to my lfs because they told me they had something i might be interested in. I asked them to elaborate but they said to come down and check it out for yourself. So i went and they had 2 octopuses. One Mimic and one wunderpus. I grabbed the wunderpus because it was the only one eating live food and the only one who was sampling frozen so i decided to go for it. I am by no means and expert octo keeper but i have kept 3 other octos with great success as well as a cuttlefish. I am very excited to see how my new octopus does for me.


I will be posting as many pics and videos as i can

CuttleKid
09/25/2011, 01:02 PM
Here is a quick video i took while it is acclimating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLXstTdSmo8

Bcollins111900
09/25/2011, 01:42 PM
Very nice video. Great looking specimen.

Bosha
09/25/2011, 02:55 PM
What type of tank do you keep those in? Does it have to be totally sealed due to their escape artist abilities?

CuttleKid
09/25/2011, 03:18 PM
I have him in a 34 gallon solana and I think it is pretty octo proof. I have the wood frame on the tank with the cover. I have noticed that this octopus hates having it's body out of water.

AlexS95
09/25/2011, 04:56 PM
Yes, because they live in the water. :hmm3:
Keeping Wunderpus is frowned upon, as they might be an endangered species. By buying one it makes your store want more... It's all downhill from here. :headwalls:

CuttleKid
09/25/2011, 05:13 PM
Alex, Have you ever done any research on them? They may or not be an endangered species, but that is beside the point. More to the point is that i told my lfs owner that if he ever gets one of these in again i will take my business elsewhere. I am one of there regular customers so I made my point. I told him the exact same thing you told me. You dont think i knew that? Really, Its all downhill from here? Do you think by grinding me with your general knowlege is going to make everything all better? Let me ask you something, have you ever bought something that is frowned upon by the anyone or on an impulse bought something you know you cant take care of? I guarantee everyone on this forum is guilty of that. So who are you to tell me what is right or wrong.

And your cute little quote
Yes, because they live in the water. Does not make you sound very intelligent on this topic. Yes octopuses live in the water but they are known to escape from a tank and out of a tank filled with water is what do you know? air. It well known that certain octopuses dislike being exposed to the air and some dont mind it as long as their body stays moist.

I dont mean to be rude but i hope that people would keep "aquarium politics" out of this thread. I want this thread to be about my experience with this animal as well as anyone who has had experience with wunderpus or any other less encountered cephalopods.

cadre
09/25/2011, 09:45 PM
Cuttlekid, what Alex said is correct and a lot of ceph keepers would say the same thing. Maybe it's not a comment you wanted but I was going to say the same thing because there are still many people who do not realize how sensitive these guys are and how little is known about them. I'm curious to see how long yours survives but I hope you decide to put it in a larger tank. Could you explain your set up and a little about what it's eating.

Mikesville510
09/26/2011, 01:41 AM
Make sure there are no openings for it to escape, it could get spooked. Also, if there is an overflow in your tank, use a mesh screen to block the octopus from getting into the plumbing.

Bosha
09/26/2011, 09:40 AM
Can you post a pic/video in its' new home please?

CuttleKid
09/26/2011, 12:07 PM
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4198.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4196-1.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4192.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4190.jpg


http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4189.jpg


http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4180.jpg

AlexS95
09/26/2011, 12:48 PM
The mantle looks deflated, specifically in this picture. It looks like a post-brood female. Just a thought. And thanks cadre, I was hoping someone else had the right idea. :thumbsup:
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Weavers_photo/IMG_4189.jpg

CuttleKid
09/26/2011, 12:57 PM
Thanks for the input alex. It looks more like a male to me. Its third right arm is a lot shorter than the others which leaves me to believe it is his hectocotylus. I may be wrong but this is just my observation.

CuttleKid
09/26/2011, 01:05 PM
Cadre, I never said that alex was wrong. I know very well that they are very rarely encountered in the wild and that very little is known about it. I just was in the right place in the right position at the right time. I had an empty tank that has been running for about 2 years and i was prepared to do whatever necessary to care for it. He is doing good so far. He is eating live marine shrimp. I tossed in 2 pieces of frozen krill and 2 pieces of frozen squid. I threw a little more squid in after that because he is showing a lot of interest in the squid. So far he has "nibbled" at it and He is leaving the krill alone.

CuttleKid
09/26/2011, 02:32 PM
He just ate a small chunk of frozen squid. I am so relieved that he is taking frozen. although he is eating frozen i am still going to feed live foods as well.

Lorenz725
09/26/2011, 02:35 PM
Congrats! That is really cool and I am glad he is eating frozen for you.

cadre
09/26/2011, 07:08 PM
The mantle looks deflated, specifically in this picture. It looks like a post-brood female. Just a thought. And thanks cadre, I was hoping someone else had the right idea. :thumbsup:
No worries, I think it's important that people reading the thread hear at least one person mention the fact that these are not animals that should be sought out. I hear they had a Wonderpus on the most recent episode of "Tanked!" and we all know that's not going to help anything.

I agree the mantle does look deflated. Cuttlekid, is it keeping it's third arm curled more? It could be shorter because it was cut off or chewed off recently.

Cadre, I never said that alex was wrong. I know very well that they are very rarely encountered in the wild and that very little is known about it. I just was in the right place in the right position at the right time. I had an empty tank that has been running for about 2 years and i was prepared to do whatever necessary to care for it. He is doing good so far. He is eating live marine shrimp. I tossed in 2 pieces of frozen krill and 2 pieces of frozen squid. I threw a little more squid in after that because he is showing a lot of interest in the squid. So far he has "nibbled" at it and He is leaving the krill alone.
I understand that you know about these animals but you have to remember that a lot of people on these forums do not. A little disclaimer would have been a good idea.

Also, try feeding it frozen silversides (probably using tongs). I always find our octopi take silversides before they'll take krill. Usually they're not going to eat all of it though so make sure you're taking out the leftovers (probably words to the wise but just in case). Giving him live things to hunt is a good idea in my opinion because it gives the animal something to do. Try some jars or other puzzles to keep him busy too.

Oh and this probably goes without saying but I'm sure he hates being out of the water because wonderpus isn't a tidal species (from my understanding). They're common in open, sandy areas where there's not a need to get out of the water. In contrast, bimacs and other tidal species get out of the water all the time to go from one tide pool to the next. I'll stop blabbering now. :)

oflaherty21
12/08/2011, 09:53 PM
that is a cool specimen, I look forward to seeing more pictures.

unley
12/10/2011, 01:33 PM
34 gallons is much to small for for that specimen and it also requires a DSB or at least PVC running under a moderatly DSB as they well retreat to burrows unlike most octopuses.

On the topic of ever purchasing one its hit or miss, you never know how old they are and since its life span is so short it could be dead in a month. ICAAN doesnt have it red listed but thats not because its not endagered its becuase theyre so hard to find in the wild its difficult to study them. This isnt a vulgaris that can sit happily in your tank and play all day, very little is known about enrichment for them. I would STRONGLY encourage getting a larger setup, donating it a marine biology school, or someone who studies octopuses. If thats not possible then read as much as you can and document everything especially what it likes to play with and its preferred food.

And make sure if you keep it you have that tank sealed up like a max secure jail.

asid61
12/10/2011, 07:23 PM
Awesome! You should definitely contact Richard Ross, as he has had much experience with cephs and the wonderpus, as he kept a wonderpus for 7 months a few years ago.
Nice to know it is eating frozen, and good to know you made your point with the LFS.
I agree with unley, start setting up a 50 gallon and seed it with rock and sand from this tank.
I heard the wonderpus likes to burrow, and they live in the mud in the wild, so see if you can get a muddy substrate 3-4 inches deep.

unley
12/11/2011, 01:57 AM
Im not sure if hey make thier own burrows or not, but ive read plenty of stories of them dissapearing into burrows of abandoned by other animals.if youre keeping it this is the setup id go with : minimum 100 gallon tank just a few rocks in the center(it will try to topple so i would build it high) so it can use them if necessry, Id throw several feet of pvc pipe under about 6 inches of sand. And of course et it toys, if you need help on that let us know.

Hoyden
12/11/2011, 06:47 AM
I have seen them in the wild and they burrow directly into the sand. I seen one move across the bottom and then just seem to melt into it with no visible digging. I would suggest a much larger tank and a deep (4 to 6 inches) sandbed. Please keep us posted on how this one does.

asid61
12/11/2011, 10:34 AM
A 100 gallon might be too big, maybe an 80?
Get half the tank filled with rock and the other half just mud, in case it wants a rock home.

Moray keeper
12/11/2011, 11:05 AM
I was lucky enough to have one quite a few years ago that lived for around 6 months. This was back in the "early" days as I call it when keeping saltwater fish was somewhat unheard of. It was all trial and error and luckily I had a fairly deep sand bed where it was able to just sink right into the substrate in the 55 gallon it was housed in. For the most part it would only eat live shrimp and crabs along with the occasional damsel. Toward the end it started eating frozen but that was not until the last month or so. I don't think I ever saw another since then other then in an a public aquarium.

burbarry
12/11/2011, 07:29 PM
I love that one. I have been thinking about setting up my 90 to get one octopuse. Just have not taken the leap yet.

asid61
12/11/2011, 09:54 PM
Octopuses are VERY hard to keep and require pristine water. Do not purchase any kind of zebra octopus because all are very rare and hard to keep, not to mention thier wild populations are unknown.

cadre
12/12/2011, 10:04 AM
Octopuses are VERY hard to keep and require pristine water. Do not purchase any kind of zebra octopus because all are very rare and hard to keep, not to mention thier wild populations are unknown.

No offense, but have you ever kept an octopus? Not all octos are hard to keep and they don't need perfect water. If you read the thread you would have seen we already had the 'don't do this' discussion.

redddogg69
12/12/2011, 10:39 AM
No offense, but have you ever kept an octopus? Not all octos are hard to keep and they don't need perfect water. If you read the thread you would have seen we already had the 'don't do this' discussion.

People who have never kept an octopus always parrot this theory. OP, that is a fantastic looking Octo. After my first I've always kept at least one. Here is picnic of my current little guy, he/she came in as a common reef octopus, anyone have any idea on what species?

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?v=MjX8VNer0yM

StephLionfish
12/14/2011, 11:19 AM
Update? My lfs had one of these.. Guess I'm not surprised. They are terrible and will bring in anything. ( Who will buy a Remora?? ):headwally:

mucktopus
12/14/2011, 12:22 PM
Thanks for posting your experiences! Would it be possible to post an image of the mantle (body sac) from straight on to go into a database of Wunderpus body patterns? Each individual has its own unique spot patterns.

asid61
12/15/2011, 05:10 PM
No offense, but have you ever kept an octopus? Not all octos are hard to keep and they don't need perfect water. If you read the thread you would have seen we already had the 'don't do this' discussion.
I would have by now, but my mom does not want me to get one. And from what I have read on tonmo.com and from the book Cephalopods: Octopus and Cuttlefish for the Home Aquarium, octopus do require very good water quality and over-spec filtration and protein skimming. I think it depends on the specific octopus you have; some will need very good water, like the wunderpus, but others, like most bimacs, are more forgiving. I read on tonmo.com that Octopus Bimaculatus can survive nitrates up to 100 with no ill effects and up to 1ppm of ammonia and nitrite. I'm not sure how reliable that info is though, as I could not confirm the source on TONMO.

sonoranaut
02/04/2012, 08:53 PM
nice wunderpus!

Cephy
02/05/2012, 09:01 AM
I'd agree with Asid and redddogg69, some may be forgiving on poor water quality but it is saddening how many people treat those that are forgiving differently than how they would've for a wonderpus or a more rarer and sensitive octo etc. Just because a species is 'hardy' still doesn't mean that your specimen would've been happy in those conditions. This alone can separate people with true passion and feeling for their animals rather than your average joe aquarist.

Cephy
02/05/2012, 09:08 AM
\he/she came in as a common reef octopus, anyone have any idea on what species?

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?v=MjX8VNer0yM

Can you make thread and post some pictures, the URL didn't come out correctly, but if your octo is truly a reef octo then it's a O. briareus (if Caribbean) or it's a merc or joubini, I need more information on the size.

allendavant
02/15/2012, 09:06 PM
Wow, that thing is awesome! Hey what is the difference between a Wonderpus and a Mimic? I always thought Wonderpus was another name for a Mimic. Also, how big is it?

troyman
04/04/2012, 05:57 PM
cutle kid good luck with him enjoy him dont listen to others he could of went in hands that didnt care about him and i know you do that makes me feel good look at how much coral and fish people kill in our hobby no one thinks of that but when you truly care and make a effort its all good be well and little octo to

BIGbivittatus
05/28/2012, 11:46 PM
Any update on how he/she is doing??

CuttleKid
05/29/2012, 03:49 PM
Sorry I have been absent from this thread for so long. It turned out to be a male, when I inspected it post mortum I saw the hectacautylus. I lost him the Monday after thanksgiving. He was eating well but not as aggressive as my other octos. My bimac and my aculeatus were very good eaters. My wunderpus was much more hesitant but I got him to eat frozen jumbo mysis shrimp, but his favorite was tiny pieces if squid.

I would say this to anyone who is considering keeping one,
They may be beautiful, but they are THE nost boring octopus to keep, next to the nocturnal dwarfs. They only come out once or twice aday and do not seem to care to interact with you.

SurfCastinRI
05/30/2012, 11:40 PM
Is this the one that was at Tropic Isle? I almost bought the mimic they had.

mtcoins123
05/30/2012, 11:55 PM
BOY I AM GLAD someone who is expeienced in the hobby got him being they may be endangered this is probably the best place for him a newbie could have got hold of him and kept him in a dixie cup so props for reaching out to try to ensure this wild animal might have a happy LONG life and i am not being sarcastic. the shippers ship a lot of things no one orders and the lfs try to sell them , period. lol i am an ***