The: I wish I had a Camera That could See What I see Thread, My Tank is Awesome!

[bigbris1]

I wish I knew how to operate a camera better than I can but my tank is awesome. [Post Edited] My tank is awesome and thriving. This is probably my sixth reef tank on about umpteen tanks and I couldn't be happier:

It's six months in the making. Right now I have:

26 Bowfront
4xT5 lighting w/ATI bulbs
Sand substrate
30 lbs of live rock
Remora skimmer w/MJ 1200
25 species of coral (LPS, SPS & Softies
6 fish
2 cleaner shrimp
A starfish
Nassarius snails
Nerite snails
Turbo snails
Blue legged hermits
Scarlet legged hermits
Fanworms
Misc snails

I dose Kent parts A & B daily and some Kent Magnesium.

WCs every week at about 5 gallons

I feed Sally's seaweed/Cyclopeze/Mysis shrimp.

The tank is doing awesome. I will upload some pics once I take some that are noteworthy.

Feel free to share your stuff people said couldn't be done, bad pics or not.

Thanks

[username in use]

what are your "unconventional methods"?

[Palting]

Nothing unconventional so far. Happy for you that your tank is amazing. Waiting for pics! :D

[AquaReeferMan]

Nothing unconventional so far.

Lets wait and see what those 6 fish are :lol:

[snorvich]

Lets wait and see what those 6 fish are :lol:

Yeah, the devil is in the details! :D

[bigbris1]

I appreciate the replies so far. To answer some questions the unconventional methods revolved around initially setting up the tank (cycling LR) using tap water and then switching to RO waste water. Keep in mind my TDS at the tap is ~35.

At this point I have no undesirable algae in the tank save for a 1" patch of hair algae that grew where a sponge was attached to rock and died.

The fish are:

firefish 2"
algae blenny 2"
eibli angel 2"
coral beauty 2"
ORA ocellaris 1"
yellow tang 1.75"
(I know, I like to think I saved him from the LFS as he was badly emaciated and is doing well now. I've had him for a couple of weeks)

[Dino]

Alright, I've done some cleanup in this thread. Lets leave what happens elsewhere - elsewhere. No reason to bring it on here. Thanks :).

-Dino
RC MOD

[aandfsoccr04]

yikes

[Sugar Magnolia]

yellow tang 1.75"
(I know, I like to think I saved him from the LFS as he was badly emaciated and is doing well now. I've had him for a couple of weeks)

Since you've been doing this for so long, you should know by now that no tang is suitable for a 26 gallon tank. 75 gallons is the minimum tank size for a yellow tang.

Also, "umpteen tanks", to me, seems like more of a trial in failure rather than keeping a tank thriving for years. A six month old tank is still early in it's many months of becoming established. Check back in a couple of years. ;)

Pics would be wonderful. ;)

[bigbris1]

Alright, I've done some cleanup in this thread. Lets leave what happens elsewhere - elsewhere. No reason to bring it on here. Thanks :).

-Dino
RC MOD

Thanks Dino, didn't mean to sling mud.

Since you've been doing this for so long, you should know by now that no tang is suitable for a 26 gallon tank. 75 gallons is the minimum tank size for a yellow tang.

Also, "umpteen tanks", to me, seems like more of a trial in failure rather than keeping a tank thriving for years. A six month old tank is still early in it's many months of becoming established. Check back in a couple of years. ;)

Pics would be wonderful. ;)

Like I said, I know what "the rules" are regarding surgeonfish. Just like "the rules" say I should have 2 dwarf angels together in a limited space. The tang will go on to a larger tank once the time comes.

As far as "umpteen tanks" those were mostly freshwater and brackish tanks. At one time I had 5 tanks running simultaneously. I have been doing this for more than two decades and know what I'm doing. Don't hate, congratulate! :)

[bigbris1]

OH, and I disagree that in 6 months one can't have a fully established reef tank. I have one.

[Palting]

Well, I for one am always interested in other ways of doing it. I know one guy who does it all wrong. He uses tap water, a cannister filter, a UV filter, a corallife skimmer he say is useless but uses it anyway, and the only live rock he has are the one's the coral come in. He also uses compact flourescents :). Yet he manages to make it work for his reef tank, going on 2 years now.

Make this thread an ongoing thing about your tank. Most people here in this part of the forum know and believe in what they are doing, so it's unlikely you'll make any converts.Don't even try to. Some may make some constructive criticisms, some may want to hit you :). Just post your ideas, stay away from mud slinging and ignore mud slung at you. This can be like an on-line drama, waiting for the catastrophe to happen :D. Or, it can also be a surprise success story :thumbsup:

Just go ahead and post pics and vids. Makes it a lot more entertaining, if not convincing.

[Allmost]

so what is special about this tank we only heard about ?

are you saying you have a high bioload ? or do u use tap water ? or .... ? lol

Im lost....

PS. nice tank ?

[Allmost]

OH, and I disagree that in 6 months one can't have a fully established reef tank. I have one.

lets see it :)

and how do you know and how can you tell a reef is fully established ?

[sslak]

A bit cliche, perhaps...but...

Pics or it didn't happen :)

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks Dino, didn't mean to sling mud.



Like I said, I know what "the rules" are regarding surgeonfish. Just like "the rules" say I should have 2 dwarf angels together in a limited space. The tang will go on to a larger tank once the time comes.

As far as "umpteen tanks" those were mostly freshwater and brackish tanks. At one time I had 5 tanks running simultaneously. I have been doing this for more than two decades and know what I'm doing. Don't hate, congratulate! :)

I have going to have to disagree with the phrase "know what I'm doing" -- your stocking list indicates otherwise.

And "don't hate congratulate" ?? Really? Why should I congratulate you on this tank -- one that you don't don't have any pictures for and is grossly mis-stocked.

Lastly, 2 decades huh??

Experience in the Hobby
Many years FW, Brackish, 5 years SW

[bigbris1]

Well, I for one am always interested in other ways of doing it. I know one guy who does it all wrong. He uses tap water, a cannister filter, a UV filter, a corallife skimmer he say is useless but uses it anyway, and the only live rock he has are the one's the coral come in. He also uses compact flourescents :). Yet he manages to make it work for his reef tank, going on 2 years now.

Make this thread an ongoing thing about your tank. Most people here in this part of the forum know and believe in what they are doing, so it's unlikely you'll make any converts.Don't even try to. Some may make some constructive criticisms, some may want to hit you :). Just post your ideas, stay away from mud slinging and ignore mud slung at you. This can be like an on-line drama, waiting for the catastrophe to happen :D. Or, it can also be a surprise success story :thumbsup:

Just go ahead and post pics and vids. Makes it a lot more entertaining, if not convincing.

Thanks man, will do. Not trying to convert anyone by any means, just share my story. My hope is that others will share theirs, too. I'll try t take and post some pics today.

I have going to have to disagree with the phrase "know what I'm doing" -- your stocking list indicates otherwise.

And "don't hate congratulate" ?? Really? Why should I congratulate you on this tank -- one that you don't don't have any pictures for and is grossly mis-stocked.

Lastly, 2 decades huh??

Your quoting what I wrote in my profile almost 8 years ago doesn't add to your point in case you haven't noticed.

[bigbris1]

Just took some pics and a vid. Watch this space.

http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028006.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028006.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028007.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028007.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028008.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028008.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028009.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028009.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028010.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028010.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028011.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028011.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028012.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028012.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028013.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028013.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028014.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028014.jpg)

[Allmost]

*watches patiently*

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks man, will do. Not trying to convert anyone by any means, just share my story. My hope is that others will share theirs, too. I'll try t take and post some pics today.



Your quoting what I wrote in my profile almost 8 years ago doesn't add to your point in case you haven't noticed.

IN case you didn't notice 7 years plus 4 years doesn't equal 20 years, which is what 2 decades would be.

[seapug]

Bragging about how awesome your tank is instantly results in a curse from the Reef Gods that involves one or more of the following catastrophes within 6 weeks of the offense: Hair Algae, Dead Fish, or Coral eating pests.

Sorry to hear, in advance....

[bigbris1]

http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028015.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028015.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028016.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028016.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028017.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028017.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028018.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028018.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028019.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028019.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028020.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028020.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028021.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028021.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1028023.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1028023.jpg)

[bigbris1]

IN case you didn't notice 7 years plus 4 years doesn't equal 20 years, which is what 2 decades would be.

I see where you're going with this so I'll just say, whatevs. :rollseyes:

Bragging about how awesome your tank is instantly results in a curse from the Reef Gods that involves one or more of the following catastrophes within 6 weeks of the offense: Hair Algae, Dead Fish, or Coral eating pests.

Sorry to hear, in advance....

Hopefully not. And I'm not bragging but I think we should all be proud of our little pieces of the ocean. Am I wrong?

[username in use]

Like was said earlier, 6 months does not a mature reef make. It looks nice, but all those corals look like they were put there and haven't filled in yet. Which is fine, but its not really a mature reef.

I would also assume that after decades you would know that a Fromia won't survive in a 26g tank for very long.

[Allmost]

you tang is underweight, you should feed it more !

not bad, simple reef ... not sure what u were bragging about.

[drunkfish3]

Still waiting to see pictures of a "AWESOME REEF"

[bigbris1]

OK, I see.

Thanks

For those who are interested I set this up the way you see it (except for some of the fish) in a couple of weeks. All of the pieces of coral were very tiny frags when I put them in. I had some acans bleach (who really knows why they bleach) but for the most part everything's still there.

So for those of you who are intimidated to start a simple reef, I say do some research but you have to weed thru some of the "experts" on the web because face it, everyone claims to be one.

Setting up a successful reef can be done if you don't cut corners and aren't trying to do it as cheaply as possible. The first few systems I set up became too much work for me because of trying to go cheap. Getting used LR from members (they didn't fully disclose hey were breaking their systems down due to undesirables, etc.) and getting frags from members without checking the history of their experience.

It can be done. Tank, sand, RO water, quality salt mix, proper testing equipment, quality LR, quality frags, etc. Dosing the right stuff and patience.

I started to see coralline in a month and a half. Now I have pink, purple, burgundy, white & green coralline. My tank also gets direct sunlight from a skylight for a couple hours a day.

All in all I;m happy and think my tank's awesome. The pics don't do it justice. Last time I invited members to come by and see for themselves I got teh ban so I won't do that here. But when I start giving away frags for free I'm going to come back and check this thread.

THanks

[seapug]

Hopefully not. And I'm not bragging but I think we should all be proud of our little pieces of the ocean. Am I wrong?

Nice looking tank that's off to a good start (yes, 6 months is a START). Being proud goes hand in hand with being humble in this hobby. Keep with it for a few more years and you'll know what I'm talking about.

BTW, might want to back off on pushing the Red saturation up to 100 in photoshop. Then again, maybe your corals actually are the same color as your floor. :rollface:

[Palting]

I don't know....actually looks pretty darn good to me! Maybe not TOTM, but still pretty good. At least better than mine at 6 months. Will look even better as it matures some more and everything grows in. I certainly would be proud of it and brag about it.

[Allmost]

BTW, might want to back off on pushing the Red saturation up to 100 in photoshop. Then again, maybe your corals actually are the same color as your floor. :rollface:

+1

and WHO has told the OP that having a reef tank is impossible ? we are all here, cause we have reef tanks, and his is nothing special ... so I would love to see what he is going on about lol haha

[bigbris1]

I don't know....actually looks pretty darn good to me! Maybe not TOTM, but still pretty good. At least better than mine at 6 months. Will look even better as it matures some more and everything grows in. I certainly would be proud of it and brag about it.

Thanks, I appreciate this. Thus the thread title, if only I could take better pics. FWIW I did nothing to the camera except try to set the white balance using the sand as white. Anyone who has taken pics of a tank lit with actinics knows how difficult it can be.

[SnowManSnow]

agree. nice tank though. Keep up the good work :)

B

[sharkman121]

you tang is underweight, you should feed it more !


i thought it was only i that realised. Tang is definitely underweight!

nice tank though...wish mine could look like that

[Allmost]

i thought it was only i that realised. Tang is definitely underweight!

I guess he is documenting how bad he can make life of a fish and corals on the last day of their lives, so the fish in ocean and appropriate tank sizes would appreciate life they have ?

[Misled]

Don't want to make you think we're bashing you, but from someone that has been doing "REEFS" over 20 years, you need to understand where we are coming from. Yes, your tank is very young. Most people come in after 5 or 6 months to ask what to do about HA or cyano or dinos. You just may not be there yet, but it's coming. Mainly because of what it will take to keep your fish healthy. If they don't stay healthy, that will bring the algaes also.

Keep a good eye on your levels. And get rid of the tang.

[bigbris1]

Don't want to make you think we're bashing you, but from someone that has been doing "REEFS" over 20 years, you need to understand where we are coming from. Yes, your tank is very young. Most people come in after 5 or 6 months to ask what to do about HA or cyano or dinos. You just may not be there yet, but it's coming. Mainly because of what it will take to keep your fish healthy. If they don't stay healthy, that will bring the algaes also.

Keep a good eye on your levels. And get rid of the tang.

Thanks. As I stated earlier I recently got the tang as a save mission and he was emaciated. He's eating well and has put on some weight believe it or not. Every day my wife says, "you should feed them" not realizing I fed them twice already and I tend to overfeed.

I know where you are coming from but that's just my point. Think of it this way, when you first set up your tank you test for almost everything almost everyday, right? Then it gets to a point where you really aren't testing anything, you let your tank tell you what it needs by visual inspection.

That's what I'm talking about. You just get to know some things after a while and regardless of what anyone else says, you know what you know.

I've already gone thru a cyano stage and a dino stage and as stated earlier, I have a small patch of HA but it hasn't really grown in months and I think it actually adds something to the tank. I think my coral and coralline are out-competing it for nutrients. I even had a wave of little fan worms everywhere which receded, but some are still there.

Thanks again.

[bigbris1]

Another thing I'm doing differently than most is making RO straight out of the membrane using no carbon or sediment filters. My membrane has lasted very long doing this and yes I have a TDS meter. Maybe it helps that I'm getting ~.35 in at the tap.

[Toddrtrex]

Another thing I'm doing differently than most is making RO straight out of the membrane using no carbon or sediment filters. My membrane has lasted very long doing this and yes I have a TDS meter. Maybe it helps that I'm getting ~.35 in at the tap.

Point 35 isn't possible with a hobby grade TDS meters.

There is no reason not to use a sediment prefilter and carbon block, and there is no benefit from skipping them. There are used before the RO membrane to protect it and extend its lifespan.

[Misled]

It won't though. There are chenicals that the carbon filter removes that "will" damage the membrane. You've been here a long time. Either you don't pay much attention, or, well, I'll just leave it at that.

Good luck. You're really gonna need it.

EDIT:

Todd and Jesse are right!!!!

Hey Todd!!!! :wave:

[Toddrtrex]

It won't though. There are chenicals that the carbon filter removes that "will" damage the membrane. You've been here a long time. Either you don't pay much attention, or, well, I'll just leave it at that.

Good luck. You're really gonna need it.

EDIT:

Todd and Jesse are right!!!!

Hey Todd!!!! :wave:

Howdy Jesse.

:beer:

[KafudaFish]

Hey someone left a door open. I wonder what is in this room?

[Steve Wright2]

Hey someone left a door open. I wonder what is in this room?

to many people Kafudafish
or at least some people that are better suited to a larger room
sure you could save these larger people by taking them from 1 small room and placing them in a nicer small room
but in the long term for the good of the room, and the other people in the room, far better to give them a larger room to start with

[username in use]

the last two posts were very profound.

[dmack]

the tone of this thread seemed doomed from the start.

[dzfish17]

What a mess...:(

[snorvich]

But it is very entertaining.

:beer:

[Sugar Magnolia]

But it is very entertaining.

:beer:

:p

Sadly, the OP hasn't really acknowledged the advice given, which means...well, you know. :(

[kfisc]

Hey you guys! I bet I remember to check this thread out in a year and see how it all turned out. Or not. Anyway, good luck.

[ludiNano]

What a mess...:(


Dave you are right.


But Agu thinks we can contribute, so the OP may see the light.

[ipunchgoats]

Derp

[MandM]

Puck.

[tqpolo]

I mean your tank is ok. It's not something I expect from someone's 6th tank and being in the hobby for a long time. You're doing what all the noobs are doing like tang in a nano, two angels, and tap/not zero tds water.

[RadReefer]

This forum absolutely kills me...

[jimmy frag]

did it crash yet ?

[brob22]

this is ridiculous
the guy has a nice tank that hes proud of and he gets nid picked and people root for his reef to fail.
im passionate about the hobby but y make it so dam competitve it not like a boxing match or a sport where we win prizes or money for being better reefers

[JJIM]

Congrats on your tank and good luck moving forward. It would appear that your proud of your efforts, nothing wrong with that.

Now I must digress. To those poking fun of the initial posters exuberance, relax, it’s nauseating. Everyone expresses themselves in different ways; your way is not all different in the grand scheme of things. Is it my way, not necessarily, but it’s yours, and that is fine! I hope you all feel more at ease with yourselves as you continue to ridicule the poster in such subtle ways. Very interesting and mature I must say. I thought this was a forum to solicit help, show off your tanks, and lay out successes and failures? Three pages, really, move on man, move on!


If you want to reply and offer help and suggestions leave out the sarcasm, provocative undertones, and tell it like it is, or at least as you believe it to be. If a man needs help, do you offer a hand, walk on by, or step on his head?

Once again, congrats and GL Bigbris1!

P.S.- Parting words of wisdom by Lao Tzu. “If you do not change direction, you may end up where your heading.”

[Curtis72]

Wheres the mod to clean this thread up again?

[Six line]

I'm thoroughly confused...

I think the tank looks good, but definitely some poor stocking choices.

[jacob.morgan78]

Seems a little mean... I understand he is doing things differently and probably not "correct" but there are better ways to give guidance than to make the listener mad or frustrated... Just sayin

[TwentyTwenty]

Nice tank, you should be proud of it. Don't take it as hate, they are only concerned with the well being of your livestock. 90% of the time a set-up like yours will have problems. They are only trying to humble you for what they think is next. Good luck with your tank and don't forget there are a lot of people here that really care about this hobby.

[tqpolo]

I think more so that this set a bad example to the newer reefers. To do things right take effort and patience and not everyone want to do it. Some new guy may read this and say "stock anything I want and why buy a ro/di when I can get by." What they fail to see is the long term affect of these choices. Sure the tank will be fine for a few months but down the road it will have problems that you will constantly trying to fix. As an experience reefers, we all should thrive to learn from our mistakes and set a better example. I do not think you should break the rules and should brag about it. You can be the rule or the exception to quote a cheesy chick flick.

[bigbris1]

I appreciate all of the comments both good and bad. I will continue to update this thread as time passes.

[bigbris1]

Here are some progression shots:

At roughly one month (before T5 lighting, pumps and skimmer):
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1003.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1001.jpg

A month later (added lighting, remora and a seio):
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tankearly004.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tankearly001.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tankearly027.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tankearly025.jpg

Now ( in the next couple of months I added ATI bulbs, 2 koralias, more sand, a few frags, a few fish & inverts, etc.)
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1028017.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1028023.jpg

I'll try to get some better pics when my day light comes on if I'm around.

Also, the tang is just a visitor (I think of my tank as a hospital tank for him) and will go to a new larger home once he's better.

Thanks again!

[raylost]

Your tank looks nice, great job!

[doctorgori]

just chimming in before this bad boy gets derailed....

...Nuttin wrong with a lil harmless boasting ... but I'd be a lil gingerly with equating longevity with knowledge: I've been reefing since the 80's also, but I mention it only to contrast what I don't know against what I do know....

there is a lot to learn for most of us still and your apparent deviation from conventional wisdom highlights that ... Although to be honest, IME your tank isn't going to "trend out" well ...but speaking for myself, I do wish it well, perhaps you'll buck the trend and we'll all learn something new

...good luck

[username in use]

You didn't mention the butterfly in your fish list, but he's in the 2 month photo's then not in the 3-4 month photos. Did you trade it in or is it just hiding?

[bigbris1]

Thanks again for the well wishing and kind words. Just did a test on params and everything came out great. Ca & dKH were a bit low but that was before I dosed. I reckon I can bring that up over the next few weeks.

That HA tuft that was in my tank has completely disappeared! I wonder what ate it?

Also, the copperband was a bad choice seeing as to how young the tank was when I put him in but against better judgement I bought him to make the family happy. We lost him because he didn't eat.

I lost a few coral pieces (mostly acans, a blueberry gorg a sponge) when we went out of the country this summer but you can see many of the pieces that were there from the start are doing well.

I got most of my coral from Manhattan Aquariums (Unique corals) as $5-$10 frags (duncans, favia, acans, sps, etc). A few pieces I got from some old friends with great tanks on another site (zoas, purple deaths, hammers, monti cap, etc.)

The fish I got from FT or MA.

Thanks again.

[bigbris1]

While waiting for more pics of my current tank Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlaOl-dBniI) a vid of me drilling my 40L with a friend. Worked out well despite the naysayers. :)

[Misled]

That HA tuft that was in my tank has completely disappeared! I wonder what ate it?


Most likely the tang. He really looks like he needs more food. But????

[bigbris1]

Nah, that's what I was thinking when I put him in but he never went near it.

[Beandawg]

As I stated earlier I recently got the tang as a save mission and he was emaciated.

The Tang was there from at least the first month you had the tank according to your progression shots.....5 months.

[Beandawg]

Here are some progression shots:

At roughly one month (before T5 lighting, pumps and skimmer):
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1003.jpg
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1001.jpg

Now
http://imgboot.com/thumbs-large/bigbris1/tank1028017.jpg

Honestly it looks like you purchased a healthy tang at least 5 months ago and NOW its in poor condition. Corals look pretty good though.

[bigbris1]

Here are some I just snapped. Last night since it was time for a WC I cleaned up the front and sides of the glass a bit. Usually I would clean the back glass too but my snails need something to eat! Also, I adjusted the setting on the camera. For some reason the caps and the yuma come out red when they are a fiery orange.

http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029001.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029001.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029002.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029002.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029003.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029003.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029004.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029004.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029006.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029006.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029008.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029008.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029009.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029009.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029010.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029010.jpg)
http://imgboot.com/images/bigbris1/tank1029011.jpg (http://imgboot.com/user/bigbris1/images/tank1029011.jpg)

[bigbris1]

The Tang was there from at least the first month you had the tank according to your progression shots.....5 months.

Honestly it looks like you purchased a healthy tang at least 5 months ago and NOW its in poor condition. Corals look pretty good though.

Nah, that's a different tang. He was much bigger and I got him from FT and he died shortly after. The current one we got because we missed the other one (I got it to do what I said explaining to my family that even tho he's small now he will have to go eventually) from MA.

Also, I listed only 1 firefish because I thought one had died/jumped. But this morning he came back out!

Thanks

[jerpa]

I would have trouble boasting about a tank in which I thought I had lost three fish in 6 months while trying untraditional methods. Especially when I could tie two of the deaths directly to myself, a fish jumping and an inappropriate fish for the age of my tank. Just my $.02

[eznet2u]

4 Dying Fish...

As I stated earlier I recently got the tang as a save mission and he was emaciated.
The current one we got because we missed the other one...
http://rippedgeek.furman87.com/wp-content/uploads/confused.jpg

[Palting]

Here are some I just snapped. Last night since it was time for a WC I cleaned up the front and sides of the glass a bit. Usually I would clean the back glass too but my snails need something to eat! Also, I adjusted the setting on the camera. For some reason the caps and the yuma come out red when they are a fiery orange.



If I may suggest, leave the white balance alone. Playing with it makes the pic look goofy with those blood red corals. Just play with the exposures, depth of field, speed. It will look better, more real. If you want true color without averaging, do close ups of there fiery orange coral and darken the exposure setting but leave the white balance on zero or auto. Unless you are posting gory halloween pics! :D.

[brob22]

I think more so that this set a bad example to the newer reefers. To do things right take effort and patience and not everyone want to do it. Some new guy may read this and say "stock anything I want and why buy a ro/di when I can get by." What they fail to see is the long term affect of these choices. Sure the tank will be fine for a few months but down the road it will have problems that you will constantly trying to fix. As an experience reefers, we all should thrive to learn from our mistakes and set a better example. I do not think you should break the rules and should brag about it. You can be the rule or the exception to quote a cheesy chick flick.

i disagree

if he can manage a tank that nice with tap water , maby he knows thing that we dont. i bet his tank on tap is better than some or alot of the peoples negative comments tanks that are on rodi water.
id be braggin also

[username in use]

i disagree

if he can manage a tank that nice with tap water , maby he knows thing that we dont. i bet his tank on tap is better than some or alot of the peoples negative comments tanks that are on rodi water.
id be braggin also

6 months with tap water is nothing, its the long term affects that are the issue 1, 2, 3 years down the line, and he is using RO, but he is not using the carbon or sediment prefilters which will drastically reduce the lifespan of the RO membrane which is why they are employed in the first place.

[ludiNano]

Did you fix it?

[kaserpick]

If I may suggest, leave the white balance alone. Playing with it makes the pic look goofy with those blood red corals. Just play with the exposures, depth of field, speed. It will look better, more real. If you want true color without averaging, do close ups of there fiery orange coral and darken the exposure setting but leave the white balance on zero or auto. Unless you are posting gory halloween pics! :D.

Thank you for posting this. That's all I'll say. :)

[tqpolo]

i disagree

if he can manage a tank that nice with tap water , maby he knows thing that we dont. i bet his tank on tap is better than some or alot of the peoples negative comments tanks that are on rodi water.
id be braggin also

You do know he's not the first to use tap water right? Back in the days, everyone use tap water. People grew and learned that we need a better water source for a healthy reef.

[brob22]

true

i used tap water on my softy tank and it grew like weeds until it crashed after 4 years

[jplater]

http://imgur.com/tCp90.gif

[doctorgori]

:fun2: I can't put my finger on it but that looks disturbing...no VERY Disturbing :lol:

[bigbris1]

Not using tap water, but using RO at this point. I've seen the effects that high nutrients can have on a tank but realized what exacerbates the problems that arise regarding nuisance growth is what you put into the tank, i.e. frags on plgs/disks with bryopsis (that the PO plucked off before the sale, but not completely) or using used LR (that the seller also did the same with).

I have none of those problems, at least for now but here's to all of you wishing that my tank will crash.

Also, the eibli angel has to go. He's nipping at just about all of my coral.

[Toddrtrex]

...
I have none of those problems, at least for now but here's to all of you wishing that my tank will crash.

...

Who, exactly, stated that they wished that your tank will crash??

[Allmost]

hahahah man what a joke LOL

why dont u just draw a tank on sketchup and use photoshop to add corals ? LOL hahah

I love how an obv newb [you say 20 years, but reading your posts makes it clear, and I set up ALOT of tanks around here and very well know the attitude some reefers gain after 5-6 months of reefing ... like yours lol ] and then we have some others who agree to it LOL

be proud of your reef, sure, but dont brag and then change colors on photoshop ! lol and dont even get me started on the poor tang !

PS. maybe print the pics, and then make up a story based on those ? cause the tang is in the pics since the beginning LOL yes, the one you saved ? LOL AHAHAH, Im sorry but you should put more effort into it , its the net.

PSS. first page pics show that you do have hair algae and cyano ! and now on page 4 you say that you do not ? hmmm ! come on man !!! list those claims you make and stick with them !


thanks mods for letting this entertainment continue.

[reeferstace]

I would hate to see your tank crash. I would love, however, to see the occupants in an environment that is appropriate for them size-wise and chemistry-wise.

Good luck.

[jmadison]

Not saying I agree with stocking list or husbandry, but constructive criticism is far more effective guys. And as for knocking his enthusiasm for his new reef, who didn't/doesn't have that. I would talk to any and everyone that'd listen about the new bristleworms, feathers, pods, or mini brittles I found everyday. This is a very fragile hobby as it is, and we need any and all of those in the hobby to keep such gusto! Let's focus on building his husbandry skills instead of rediculing him out of the hobby with our snide comments....
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/jmadison03/ibtl.jpg

[jmadison]

PS.....
PPS...

fixed PS means Post Script, then you would use PPS POST Post Script

Just saying if we're working on helping eachother out with our problems...

[Allmost]

Not saying I agree with stocking list or husbandry, but constructive criticism is far more effective guys. And as for knocking his enthusiasm for his new reef, who didn't/doesn't have that. I would talk to any and everyone that'd listen about the new bristleworms, feathers, pods, or mini brittles I found everyday. This is a very fragile hobby as it is, and we need any and all of those in the hobby to keep such gusto! Let's focus on building his husbandry skills instead of rediculing him out of the hobby with our snide comments....
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/jmadison03/ibtl.jpg

I would have agreed with you 100%, if he was here to learn !!!

but as you can see, he is here, to proove to us, that his method is superior and works better, and then changes color on photoshop of pics .... LOL and also lies about his fish and ... ! lol ahah read his posts ... none of his claims are true nor consistence ...

there are many new threads made here daily, not all are TOTM material, but they are beautiful in their own way ... and owner is proud and wants to make it better .... so constructive advice works.

[Allmost]

Originally Posted by Allmost View Post
PS.....
PPS...

fixed PS means Post Script, then you would use PPS POST Post Script

Just saying if we're working on helping eachother out with our problems...

not here to learn English :) and I know my English is not good ... its my 4th language ! lol

lol but thanks, although that didnt make sense to me lol so what do we use instead of PPS ? lol haha

[KafudaFish]

I don't think anyone is wishing for the tank to crash and everything die.

Same situation but different outcome:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2086379

Why? The other OP wanted to learn and took into consideration the well being of his livestock.

[jmadison]

not here to learn English :) and I know my English is not good ... its my 4th language ! lol

lol but thanks, although that didnt make sense to me lol so what do we use instead of PPS ? lol haha

It's all good I am just being difficult :P

You used PSS, I changed it to PPS. PPS PPPS PPPPS PPPPPS and so on and so forth.

I agree maybe he is a bit naive or even perhaps a bit cocky about proving us all wrong, but I dont think we need to play into his hand if this is the case. Yes you probably could keep a tang alive in a pico for a while, but is it good husbandry? no probably not. We should work on either educating him or letting this thread die. JM2C

[jmadison]

Oh and ya I always get a kick out of people photoshop'n the hell out of a picture and swearing up and down they didn't especially when PS's fingerprints are all over the file! haha

[bigbris1]

I made this thread to have something to come back to, to help keep me interested in the hobby. I get bored easily and one day might sell the whole thing but I'm trying to stay in for as long as I can this time around.

These are the best results so far that I've had to date in that I do not see the problems I saw the first few times I set reef tanks up. Anyway, I'm a member of many other fora and am well aware that some people either lack tact in person or just when they are at their keyboard (hoping the latter).

Thanks again to all who have offered suggestions/constructive criticism and positive comments.

[jacob.morgan78]

hahahah man what a joke LOL

why dont u just draw a tank on sketchup and use photoshop to add corals ? LOL hahah

I love how an obv newb [you say 20 years, but reading your posts makes it clear, and I set up ALOT of tanks around here and very well know the attitude some reefers gain after 5-6 months of reefing ... like yours lol ] and then we have some others who agree to it LOL

be proud of your reef, sure, but dont brag and then change colors on photoshop ! lol and dont even get me started on the poor tang !

PS. maybe print the pics, and then make up a story based on those ? cause the tang is in the pics since the beginning LOL yes, the one you saved ? LOL AHAHAH, Im sorry but you should put more effort into it , its the net.

PSS. first page pics show that you do have hair algae and cyano ! and now on page 4 you say that you do not ? hmmm ! come on man !!! list those claims you make and stick with them !


thanks mods for letting this entertainment continue.

I'm disappointed that there are so many people out here like this... be constructive or don't say anything...

and... IMO... stop using LOL so much...

[Allmost]

I'm disappointed that there are so many people out here like this... be constructive or don't say anything...

and... IMO... stop using LOL so much...

lol

and I am being constructive ! all progress pics show a yellow tang ! while he said he just got it ? and the photo-shopped pics are just too obv ...

[jacob.morgan78]

definitely not constructive... much more mean than constructive...

[Palting]

C'mon, guys. This thread has gotten to 4 pages, and more than half of the posts are nonsensical, rude, and mean. Let him brag, and say he knows best or is better than all of us. Are we so incecure in ourselves that it becomes threatening when someone challenges us? This is not a newbie part of the forum. We know what we know, believe in what we believe, and if someone comes in thinking out of the box, the least we can do is listen/read, and see. It may be amusing, may even be eye opening. But being rude, mean, and posting to derail the thread is beneath anyone. I think we can be better than this.

OK, I'm getting off the soapbox now that I have that off my chest.

[JJIM]

lol

and I am being constructive ! all progress pics show a yellow tang ! while he said he just got it ? and the photo-shopped pics are just too obv ...

Agree 100% with Jacob and jmadison here. For one, please quit using "LOL" and "haha." Typically this forum has a great deal mature people looking for advise, offering advice, etc., but occasionally there are a few that buck this trend, which I see all over this thread. It's as if you are stalking this thread just so that you can attempt to poke more holes in "his theories" and zeal, and I ask for what? Is your sole purpose to ridicule and be pessimistic about another joys? I am quite certain after five pages of this thread most of us are understanding of initial posters circumstances.

As I noted earlier, which one are you? "If a man needs help, do you offer a hand, walk on by, or step on his head? I am seeing too much of the latter on this thread unfortunately. FYI- being constructive is the first one, and at the very least do "walk on by" rather than continue the negative banter!

P.S. bigbris1 congrats to you for not feeding into these nonsensical subtle taunts and negativity.

[Toddrtrex]

Some people should just stop posting in this thread. I ALLMOST want to say who, but will let the figure it out for themselves.

[SkullV]

Some people should just stop posting in this thread. I ALLMOST want to say who, but will let the figure it out for themselves.

:lolspin:

[Allmost]

ok wow !

I just wanted to know what his theory is, since I dont see info on it.

and wanted clarification on the yellow tang status :) it seems like its not new member as its there on all pics.


""If a man needs help, do you offer a hand, walk on by, or step on his head? "
I Would try to help, if they are asking for help !!! you can check my other posts asking for help or offering help ...


not sure why the way I type matters ...

to conclude ... cause it seems like I am the only one with :"destructive" posts here ... my first post was : "so what is special about this tank we only heard about ?
"
showing how I wanted to see what his theopry is ... he keeps talking about doing what others said would fail, I would like to know what that is, what does he do that others said would fail and he didnt fail at ?

is asking those questions considered rude ? I guess ....
is he saying he can keep a yellow tang in a small tank ? then why did the tang change in 5 months ? as he said ?

is he saying he is coloring up SPS ? then why photo shop ?

I just wanted to know what his method and theories are .....

I guess we wont know though..

and about bragging and showing off and being proud ! I am still proud of my mollies I kept when I was a kid !!! so of course I have nothing against that ! lol

oh and palting, I trully love challenges and reading about new stuff and methods, ... and that is what I kept asking here ! what is different :)


anyways, if someone wants to let me know what special thing he is doing, it would be nice to read, if not, I guess I wont post more on this thread ... let the constructive commenter continue :)

[Toddrtrex]

..... I guess I wont post more on this thread ...

Why don't we stick with that idea. Really don't want to babysit this anymore.

[flyhigh123]

looks like your cap is growing nicely....

[sponger0]

Hmmmmmm.............first thought.....is people commenting on the tang but...no tang police. Are they eating donuts?? First off...thats horrible your putting a yellow tank into a 26 gallon tank. If one of us was to be placed into a 4 x 4 room....how do you think you would feel for the rest of your life? And I think many people missed out on the fact that the OP stated that it was the same tang as originally put in there. It was another one cause "the family missed it". SMH big time!! IMO that does justify it. Thats horrible.

Now it does seem the OP does want to brag about his unconventional techniques. But its not unconvention but more so outdated. The fact remains this is a hobby and proper care should be taken. Would you buy a great dane while you live in a 1 bedroom apartment and had no access to take the dog for a walk everyday? No. That dog wouldnt be too happy. Its the same thing ugh....I apologize for my responses....but this hobby is my passion if not more. So proper are should be taken.

Im honestly appalled by this thread. How can you brag? I mean its a nice looking tank for a noob. No one else mentioned that some of those SPS are void without color. Not bleached, but no color. Meaning they are barely alive and not thriving.

And btw....lol lol lol hahahaha. Couldnt help myself.

Its not a bad looking tank but I dont agree with your methods. If you chose to do it that way, then that is your choice. But dont get mad when people get upset when they are trying to give you advice and you state, well its working the way Im doing it. I wont lie. I get upset when people criticize what Im doing and its not the answer Im looking for. But I stop and reconsider the advice.

Thats my piece on this thread. Take it FWIW

[dogstar74]

Very nice looking tank. I know how you feel when you look at it, and it ain't perfect, but you just sit back and say "WOW I'm really liking this" It's like the song says, "it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you have!" Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Aaron

[Saadatski]

I have kinda found this thread rather funny. A man that does not want to learn is clearly ignorant. Being cocky adds gas to the flame.

As a new guy, with my first tank (36g) set up in March of this year, i was fairly humble with myself and my tank. When i look at many of the experiacned reefer's tanks, i become EXTREMELY jealous and immediately ask what they do. I also read a crap load of ideas on this site. Look OP, there is nothing wrong with doing things differently, or thinking differently. Galileo said the earth revolved around the sun when everyone else believed not. guess what everyone believes today?

When you try to do something differently, esp something that someone else tried and failed with it, and it failed, why say it works? Why be arrogant and not listen. I do not exactly follow what everyone tells me on this site (esp the tang police), but im not ignorant when i defy them. I do not stick an Achilles tang in my 75g, but try to get away with a yellow tang. You cannot get away with it, cause my tank is more than double your size. I also did not even think of sensitiv fish in my old tank.

Finally, listen to what people are shooting at your face and take down your wall of cockiness. My tank is def not the best of every tank i see because of budget reasons, but if i had an extra $1000, your sure as hell its going to be amazing because i envied the people on this site. Listen to others.

Mods take this thread down if you need to...

[bigbris1]

Thanks for the comments of those who have reached maturity. To reiterate, the tang will be moved out of my tank as soon as he recovers. To illustrate; how many of you have bought a CUC or other inhabitants for a specific purpose then moved them on to another reefer/lfs? Same scenario with the tang.

If I keep him alive for a month or two and am able to pass him on to someone else, I have reached my goal. He was so small that most likely anyone with a tank large enough (who's to say what tank size is large enough for a creature that came out of the vast ocean????) would probably already have fish large enough to swallow him whole.

So I give him relief from a lfs tank devoid of LR or anything else he would be used to for a couple of months. He lives? He goes on to someone else's established tank.

I love the insecurity of some folks and the fact that the vast majority of people who frequent forums don't know how to read thoroughly. Almost all of the things that have been brought up over the last 4 or so pages have already been explained in my first few posts.

lol :)

[bigbris1]

blah blah blah because of budget reasons, but if i had an extra $1000, blah blah blah blah

I'm glad you wrote this because I would bet the average person on this thread is in their teens or tweens. There are much better things to do in life than reefing and perusing a chat forum all day. Find a balance. And if you can't afford to be in this hobby, get out and wait.

How are you a "reef swag boss" ballin on a budget?

[tqpolo]

I'm curious what were your previous 5 tanks? How was your methods back then?

[sponger0]

Everyone should stop posting on this thread cause its obviously a waste of time.

Well since you wanna stereo type the majority of users on here, well I could stereotype you as the average new yorker. Cocky, big mouth blah blah blah (as you put it) But I wont. Why? Cause Im not immature. Im responsible about a hobby I chose.

So if yo ugot the tang to save him from so unknown death, whether to be eaten or die in a petstore, then why buy one, have it die and buy another one? Thats some good reasoning.


And yes....what were your other 5 tanks. Im interested in what bad husbandry that had before this one

[dzfish17]

Hmmmmmm.............first thought.....is people commenting on the tang but...no tang police. Are they eating donuts?? First off...thats horrible your putting a yellow tank into a 26 gallon tank. If one of us was to be placed into a 4 x 4 room....how do you think you would feel for the rest of your life? And I think many people missed out on the fact that the OP stated that it was the same tang as originally put in there. It was another one cause "the family missed it". SMH big time!! IMO that does justify it. Thats horrible.

Now it does seem the OP does want to brag about his unconventional techniques. But its not unconvention but more so outdated. The fact remains this is a hobby and proper care should be taken. Would you buy a great dane while you live in a 1 bedroom apartment and had no access to take the dog for a walk everyday? No. That dog wouldnt be too happy. Its the same thing ugh....I apologize for my responses....but this hobby is my passion if not more. So proper are should be taken.

Im honestly appalled by this thread. How can you brag? I mean its a nice looking tank for a noob. No one else mentioned that some of those SPS are void without color. Not bleached, but no color. Meaning they are barely alive and not thriving.

And btw....lol lol lol hahahaha. Couldnt help myself.

Its not a bad looking tank but I dont agree with your methods. If you chose to do it that way, then that is your choice. But dont get mad when people get upset when they are trying to give you advice and you state, well its working the way Im doing it. I wont lie. I get upset when people criticize what Im doing and its not the answer Im looking for. But I stop and reconsider the advice.

Thats my piece on this thread. Take it FWIW

Are the tang police eating donuts? No. They just showed up in your post about the tang. :lol2: I'll get you your badge by tomorrow... welcome aboard my good man. Congratulations, were glad to have you as a member of the squad. :wavehand:

[sponger0]

Are the tang police eating donuts? No. They just showed up in your post about the tang. :lol2: I'll get you your badge by tomorrow... welcome aboard my good man. Congratulations, were glad to have you as a member of the squad. :wavehand:

Thank you sir. Im proud to become a member of this wonderful organization. To protect and serve tangs from misguided and unimformed owners :uzi:

[dzfish17]

Thank you sir. Im proud to become a member of this wonderful organization. To protect and serve tangs from misguided and unimformed owners :uzi:

I know its silly but all you have to do is make one comment about a tang in an inappropriate tank and someone will call you the "tang police". It doesnt bother me anymore... I laugh now when someone calls me that. :bounce3:

[Buzz1329]

Is me maybe? I too half opinion that you should put not too many fish in tank but maybe juvenality of fish counts?

Keep up work that is good Bris and the other one who has a seahorse emblem as this is good to discuss. LOL. PPS. Ahhahahahahahahahaha, which is to say I laugh.

But I think truly that thread should be moved because not sure if tank qualifies as reef which is defined to be "ridge of jagged rock, coral, or sand just above or below the surface of the sea."

So maybe shut you all up that does.

[username in use]

What?


So maybe shut you all up that does.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1qqm3KFLmD5XJSuBHziXE_EQMO-AtYtEP2NpFy2tmU2hCGQ-4

[fishysteve]

:lmao: classic.