joemelo
11/29/2011, 03:10 PM
Like the title says, this is my rant. After being in the hobby I try to help out every newcomer that asks for advice in the local area. Most of which listen but occasionally you get the impatient explicit, that says just because he had seen ONE person do it and it's the fastest way he is dead set on doing it.
First off he says:
"Tank is about two weeks old. I added this product called Cycle which states fish are safe to added after 24hours. "
so he proceeds to toss in a chromis is his 55 with brand new rock and a hangon the back filter as his only source of filtration.
I tell him take the fish back and wait atleast 3 more weeks, and that he should have put the cocktail shrimp in 2 weeks ago like I told him.
then he messages back with this:
Now...have you ever used cycle? probably not. What worked for you is probably what you think is the only way to do it, because it worked!!!
I understand where your coming from, but the hobby has REALLY evolved. However, it seems hard to evolve with the hobbiests because they are so reluctant to take chances and are not open to new ideas because what worked for them is the only way to do it. Seeing as cycle is a new product and if people start using it and finding success and spreading the word, than maybe this will take off and be more expectable.
I told him I have used Cycle! it's garbage... .It's a bandaid for impatient people who don't want to wait for their tank to cycle properly. he's trying to tell me the hobby has evolved and he's being some sort of pioneer by using these methods ahaha. After I proceed to tell him cycle has been around for as long as I could remember.
he tells me this:
I'm not using the fish to actually cycle the tank. The tank is actually ready for fish!! I remember when people use to be against skimmers and thought they were garbage! Just remember that! You need to be open minded and thats what wrong with this hobby!
Now folks. REMEMBER this is after TWO WEEKS!!! with no live rock or live sand. he also tells me how he seen the local fish store use a hang on the back filter on one of their tanks... I explained to them that it was one tank in the whole store, and fish don't stay in that tank long enough to matter. it's a holding tank.
he then replies:
Forums are full of stubborn opionotic people and is hiearchy and what they say goes. New people have no choice but to listen to their opinion. Listen my grandma has been gardening for 20 years and I tell her fertilizer is better and shell tell me BS and still uses old school cow crap to help her plants grow. You might still be stuck on cow crap tradition and I jumped on the fertilizer method. Again I'll let u know how it goes. Just don't knock something u don know about
once again. the newbie with the 2 week old tank is telling me how innovative he is by using his methods...
I don't know if I was too harsh on him, but I was tired of talking to someone that didn't want to learn and just wanted to waste money and kill fish. I wasn't the only member to talk to him either. He also heard it hard from a few other members. So after a while I told him this
"at the end of the day, you don't want to listen to the great advice of the forum members, and "test " out "new" theories that are actually failing methods then I guess as long as you're happy that's all that matters. I have a friend with an old undergravel filter for sale if you're interested... they used those in the 80's"
Not saying undergravel filters are bad, but you get what I'm saying.... It's all well, I saw someone do this and I don't want to wait so I will do it too.
sorry for the rant but someone out there has to agree with me, and maybe leave some advice I can message him with since apparently I don't know what I'm talking about coming from the owner of a 2 week old tank, in which he uses tap water, hangon the back filter, and claims he didn't cycle with a chromis because the chemical did it for him.....
First off he says:
"Tank is about two weeks old. I added this product called Cycle which states fish are safe to added after 24hours. "
so he proceeds to toss in a chromis is his 55 with brand new rock and a hangon the back filter as his only source of filtration.
I tell him take the fish back and wait atleast 3 more weeks, and that he should have put the cocktail shrimp in 2 weeks ago like I told him.
then he messages back with this:
Now...have you ever used cycle? probably not. What worked for you is probably what you think is the only way to do it, because it worked!!!
I understand where your coming from, but the hobby has REALLY evolved. However, it seems hard to evolve with the hobbiests because they are so reluctant to take chances and are not open to new ideas because what worked for them is the only way to do it. Seeing as cycle is a new product and if people start using it and finding success and spreading the word, than maybe this will take off and be more expectable.
I told him I have used Cycle! it's garbage... .It's a bandaid for impatient people who don't want to wait for their tank to cycle properly. he's trying to tell me the hobby has evolved and he's being some sort of pioneer by using these methods ahaha. After I proceed to tell him cycle has been around for as long as I could remember.
he tells me this:
I'm not using the fish to actually cycle the tank. The tank is actually ready for fish!! I remember when people use to be against skimmers and thought they were garbage! Just remember that! You need to be open minded and thats what wrong with this hobby!
Now folks. REMEMBER this is after TWO WEEKS!!! with no live rock or live sand. he also tells me how he seen the local fish store use a hang on the back filter on one of their tanks... I explained to them that it was one tank in the whole store, and fish don't stay in that tank long enough to matter. it's a holding tank.
he then replies:
Forums are full of stubborn opionotic people and is hiearchy and what they say goes. New people have no choice but to listen to their opinion. Listen my grandma has been gardening for 20 years and I tell her fertilizer is better and shell tell me BS and still uses old school cow crap to help her plants grow. You might still be stuck on cow crap tradition and I jumped on the fertilizer method. Again I'll let u know how it goes. Just don't knock something u don know about
once again. the newbie with the 2 week old tank is telling me how innovative he is by using his methods...
I don't know if I was too harsh on him, but I was tired of talking to someone that didn't want to learn and just wanted to waste money and kill fish. I wasn't the only member to talk to him either. He also heard it hard from a few other members. So after a while I told him this
"at the end of the day, you don't want to listen to the great advice of the forum members, and "test " out "new" theories that are actually failing methods then I guess as long as you're happy that's all that matters. I have a friend with an old undergravel filter for sale if you're interested... they used those in the 80's"
Not saying undergravel filters are bad, but you get what I'm saying.... It's all well, I saw someone do this and I don't want to wait so I will do it too.
sorry for the rant but someone out there has to agree with me, and maybe leave some advice I can message him with since apparently I don't know what I'm talking about coming from the owner of a 2 week old tank, in which he uses tap water, hangon the back filter, and claims he didn't cycle with a chromis because the chemical did it for him.....