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mos90
01/11/2012, 09:42 AM
i started no3po4x yesterday on my 125g mixed reef. i want to provide everyone with weekly updates on the effectiveness on my tank of this product.

i will start with my tank setup. 125g tank (72x18x20), 25gal sump/refugium, lifereef skimmer, lifereef calcium reactor, brs dual gfo/carbon media reactor, 1200ghp overflow, mag 18 return, tunze ato, jbj chiller, neptune aquacontroller.

for lighting i have 4-aquailllimination sol-blues, 12" awl set at 52/52/52 for max intensity (for now). lights are on from 1-10pm.

125lbs of brs ecorock and 3" sandbed.

for flow i have 2-mp40's on either side and an mp-10 on the back in shortpulse at 85% and 1-korellia 1000gph for extra flow in the rear of the tank.

in the refugium i have 15lbs of miracle mud and cheato.fuge light on for 20hours per day.

water parameters as of last night are.

temp-78
alk-8.7
mag-1400
cal-440
nitrate -3ppm
phos- between .02 on hanna uls meter/.06 on redsea phos pro kit.

normally i use 150g of phosban that i replace when i see phos start to rise. usually 6 weeks. and 1/2 cup of brs rox carbon i replace every 2 weeks.

according to redsea starting dose with no3 and po4 were i am at will be 2ml per 25g. i have just a little over 100g of total water volume so i will dose 8ml per day to start.

as far as gfo removal, instructions say to remove 15% per weeks, after 45% removal, if po4 is stable then remove the remaining gfo.

i plan on using a doser and doing 4/2ml doses spread out over the day, but for now i am doing manual dosing.

i also plan to dose redsea reef energy after 2 weeks.

i will give weekly updates on progress.

here is a picture. from october. at this time the tank was 3 1/2 months old. i will get some current pictures.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/mos90/100_1203.jpg

mos90
01/11/2012, 10:01 AM
forgot to mention. i use kalk in topoff water and my ph ranges from 8.2-8.4

saltinity is at 1.025.

mos90
01/16/2012, 02:51 PM
update. 1/16/12

no3- 2ppm
po4 - .04

lights 55/55/55 staying there for at least 1 month.

started dosing reef energy. 8ml of each part a&b daily.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/16/2012, 02:57 PM
Seems like no appreciable change?

mos90
01/16/2012, 03:10 PM
not yet. i am feeding rather heavily. 3 or 4 light feedings per day.

my goal is to eliminate gfo and keep no3 under 1ppm and po4 under .05.

redsea has what they call accelerated growth . no3 at 1ppm and po4 at .1ppm. dkh 12. my dkh is closer to 9. im not sure i feel comfortable with it at 12.

i feel that po4 at .1 is rather high. im going to keep it around .04.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/16/2012, 03:13 PM
That sounds good. When I started vodka and later vinegar, I wasn't looking for a change, but looking to use less lighting in my refugia. :)

mos90
01/16/2012, 03:26 PM
what does the vinegar do?

i was using a jbj 25w adjustable refugium light .it was 6000k but didnt seem to bright. macro algae (cheato) didnt do well. i switched to a 15w spiral cf 6500k and a cheap metal reflector. it seems to be twice as bright and marco algae has taken off since.
i will test them with my par meter to see the difference.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/16/2012, 03:58 PM
Vinegar does the basically the same thing as No3PO4X (which is driving bacterial growth), but I know what it is (the Red Sea product is largely a secret) and it is cheaper.

jimrawr
01/16/2012, 07:29 PM
Do you have algae problems right now or just using it as preventative and keeping NO3 and PO4 low?

Steve175
01/16/2012, 10:00 PM
not yet. i am feeding rather heavily. 3 or 4 light feedings per day.

my goal is to eliminate gfo and keep no3 under 1ppm and po4 under .05.

redsea has what they call accelerated growth . no3 at 1ppm and po4 at .1ppm. dkh 12. my dkh is closer to 9. im not sure i feel comfortable with it at 12.

i feel that po4 at .1 is rather high. im going to keep it around .04.

Why not just try feeding less, using the GFO, and skipping the additive? Your parameters are not that far off IMO . . . small changes in this hobby are often the right ones.

Having said that, I am curious how your experiment goes (however, I usually also am that guy who slows to gawk at the wreck on the highway).

mos90
01/17/2012, 08:29 AM
Why not just try feeding less, using the GFO, and skipping the additive? Your parameters are not that far off IMO . . . small changes in this hobby are often the right ones.

Having said that, I am curious how your experiment goes (however, I usually also am that guy who slows to gawk at the wreck on the highway).

this is something id like to try. i would love to eliminate gfo if possible. ive also heard good things about reef energy. anything that make this hobby easier im willing to give it a shot. im sure it will work.

the only thing that is not very clear is dosing trace elements. i know iron is good for macro algae. but its difficult to get an accurate reading, especially potassium. so the question is if u cant get an accurate reading should u dose?

after saying that. ive been dosing 1/2 the recommended amount of brightwell iron and potassium (5ml each)once a week. along with my 5-10% w/c's every 2 weeks.

when i say im feeding heavy. its really not that much more then normal. it may not even be that heavy to some peoples standards.

the good thing is i have no algae at all in tha tank. the bad thing is im having problems with 1 of my corals stning from the base. it started when i dosed chemiclean for a cyano outbreak a while back . i have not been able to stop it. i may have to frag it. its a nice sized coral i hate to cut it up.

ok back to the update.

last night i removed another 15% gfo. so far removed 30%. i have not seen any rise in p04 so far. i will test no3 and po4 again tonight.

i tested the par output of both the refugium lights. apogee meter.

jbj 25w cf adjustable fuge light- par at 1" - 250 , par at 6" -45

lowes special- cheap metal clipon reflector with 15w 6500k spiral cf bulb.
par at 1"- 800, par at 6"- 250 .

like i said before, macro algae is taking off since bulb switch.

i will update no3-p04 tonight.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/17/2012, 08:36 AM
the only thing that is not very clear is dosing trace elements. i know iron is good for macro algae. but its difficult to get an accurate reading, especially potassium. so the question is if u cant get an accurate reading should u dose?

after saying that. ive been dosing 1/2 the recommended amount of brightwell iron and potassium (5ml each)once a week. along with my 5-10% w/c's every 2 weeks.

.


Unless you use zeovit zeolites or a similar material, I do not think you are likely to be deficient in potassium. :)

mos90
01/17/2012, 08:45 AM
i think we touched base on this before randy.

can i hurt anything if dose potassium?

do corals consume potassium?

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/17/2012, 08:52 AM
I do not know what happens if potassium rises above natural levels.

Anything living uses potassium, and any food added delivers it. But it is not appreciably deposited into coral skeletons the way the main things we dose are, such as calcium, alkalinity, magnesium (and a few others, such as strontium).

mos90
01/17/2012, 09:06 AM
i will stop the potassium dosing. i still plan to do weekly iron dosing.

i read 1 of your articles on supplimenting strontium. im pretty sure i dont need to suppliment.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/17/2012, 09:08 AM
I don't generally recommend strontium dosing. :)

mos90
01/17/2012, 07:13 PM
UPdate.

No3 - 1ppm.
Po4 - 0 ppb on Hanna meter. Tested 2 times.

I saw a small bit of cyano in the fuge so I cleaned it out and did a 10 gal w/c.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/17/2012, 07:15 PM
So far so good.

If the cyano continues, maybe consider backing off a bit on dose.

mos90
01/17/2012, 07:30 PM
I will keep an eye on it.

Still not able to stop STN on my 1 coral. Very frustrating.

mos90
01/17/2012, 07:47 PM
Added a small powerhead for extra flow in the fuge. Might help with cyano.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/18/2012, 04:36 AM
What type of coral has the STN?

fishflorist
01/18/2012, 07:16 AM
I will keep an eye on it.

Still not able to stop STN on my 1 coral. Very frustrating.

what is STN ?

mos90
01/18/2012, 07:21 AM
im not sure exactly what it is. it was a free coral sent to me with an acropora crab.

it looks like a german blue monti a little bit. could be some type of birdsnet also. ill snap a picture tonight.


i will give u the short version. i was in the process on light acclimating all my corals to my new leds(ai blue's). apparently i went a little too high too fast and noticed bleaching on the so called "mystery coral" my closed brain and my toadstool. all the other corals are either up top or high light corals and were not effected.

so i lower the lights from 80/80/80 back to 50/50/50. all the bleaching has repaired itself, but thats when the stn started. im thinking its stressed from the bleaching triggered it or possibly a combo of stress and when i treated with chemiclean(about the same time i lowered the lighting).

here is my lighting ramp now.
8am 0/3/3 30min ramp
1pm 55/55/55 180min ramp
6pm 0/10/10 120min ramp
9pm 0/0/3 60 min ramp
12pm lights out

Habib
01/18/2012, 07:22 AM
what is STN ?

Slow Tissue Necrosis. Tissue dies slowly and is lost.

RTN is rapid tissue necrosis and very fast.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1668910

mos90
01/18/2012, 07:43 AM
found a picture.


http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/mos90/stn.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/mos90/100_1208.jpg

mos90
01/19/2012, 09:30 AM
any ideas what coral that is? it seems rather difficult to keep if it is a montipora.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/19/2012, 09:44 AM
I'm not sure, nor do I have a good answer the the STN.

Do you use GAC? That may help if there are any toxins in the water, but I wouldn't count on that being it.

mos90
01/19/2012, 09:51 AM
ive been using 1/2 cup of brs rox carbon. i change it out every 2 weeks.

i never realized cyano could realese toxins. maybe a could do a larger w/c. or will the gac remove it?

im not too worried about the stn. if i cant stop it ill frag the coral. ive done it before and im sure ill do it again. ):

no signs of any more cyano. thats good. i will test phos and nitrate again either tonight or tommarow along with refreshing my gac.

mos90
01/19/2012, 10:08 AM
here is something ive been meaning to ask about skimming.

how heavily should i be skimming? i empty the collection cup every few days when it gets about 1/2 full and i clean it out once a week. the cup is about 6"x6".

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/19/2012, 10:31 AM
Yes, cyano is a big soure of toxins in the ocean, enough to kill many animals and even people.

It's hard to judge skimming, but taht seems reasonable.

mos90
01/19/2012, 01:01 PM
Yes, cyano is a big soure of toxins in the ocean, enough to kill many animals and even people.



i didnt know that.

mos90
01/19/2012, 08:48 PM
Update.

Tested tonight.

No3-.75ppm.
Po4- 0 ppb Hanna. .02 redsea pro.
Alk-155ppm Hanna

I'm wondering if I should back off on the no3po4x to 6ml per day and raise alk slowly to 10 dkh. Keeping parameters a little more towards redseas "accelerated growth" recommendations. I dont mind corals a little browned out if I can get some good growth.

bertoni
01/19/2012, 10:54 PM
You could try that. Our measurement equipment generally isn't precise enough to be all that useful at low levels like 0.02 ppm, so I'd be cautious. The real level could be noticeably higher or lower.

tmz
01/19/2012, 11:10 PM
It's a seriatoproa(birdsnest) .imo. Looks like an "ora bird of paradise", quite hardy and a fast grower. Don't see the stn in the picture.

mos90
01/20/2012, 07:15 AM
that picture is a few months old. it is definately stning. im hoping to slow it down. for a birdsnest it doesnt like a ton of light.

bertoni. so what do u recommend i do. should i feed more reef energy daily and see what happens?

mos90
01/20/2012, 07:20 AM
your are definately right tmz.. it is a seriatopora caliendrum...

leventis72
01/20/2012, 07:40 AM
This product contains Methanol Randy that was the only ingredient on the box

mos90
01/20/2012, 07:42 AM
it definately smells like methanol.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/20/2012, 08:49 AM
Yes, it lists methanol on the label, but it may also contain other organics. Methanol may just get listed due to toxicity concerns. The company claims it contains multiple organics.

mos90
01/20/2012, 11:00 AM
should i trust my readings? im sure they cant be too far off. what i mean is, if redsea test kit says .75ppm im sure its not 5ppm. and the po4 test kit can is definately accurate enough to tell the difference from lets say .04 to .1ppm

so i think its safe to say that i am under ..1 ppm of phos and 3ppm nitrate.

now i could be at .01 phos and .25 no3. that puts my in ulns territory. i think thats what bertoni means by be careful.

mos90
01/20/2012, 11:43 AM
ok.. here is the plan.

im going to cut no3po4x dosing down to 6 ml per day and going to double reef energy dosing to 16ml of each and see how things work out.

reefrad
01/20/2012, 12:04 PM
i am in the same boat. i am getting 0 readings on both the red sea testing kit and hannah phosphate reader. i already cut down my nopox dose to 4ml on my lightly stocked 180G. i have no green algae. i am feeding 15ml of the reef energy a and b. i think i will decrease the nopox to 3ml today and see what happens.

i think that unless you have a completely algae/cyano free tank you cant trust the readings because the nutrients could be taken up as soon as they hit the water column...

mos90
01/20/2012, 12:11 PM
right now i have no signs of and algae/cyano in the tank so i think my testing is fairly accurate.

i think a may reduce no3p04x to 4ml also.

im still slowly removing gfo. ive removed about 1/2 so far. 1 more week all pull it all out.

bertoni
01/20/2012, 11:31 PM
now i could be at .01 phos and .25 no3. that puts my in ulns territory. i think thats what bertoni means by be careful.
That's one definite possibility. The phosphate level could be as high as 0.04 ppm, at least, on the other hand.

mos90
01/23/2012, 07:29 AM
update.
backed off no3p04x to 4ml per day. raised reef energy to 12ml of each per day.

i think the gfo is ready to come out but im going to wait 1 more week.

slowly raising alk. up from 155ppm to 162 ppm over 1 week. shooting for 170. i wont go higher then 10dkh (even though redsea says 12.6) .

no3- .75
phos- .02

every thing seem to be responding well. colors seem more vivid on corals. macro algae still looks healthy.

i stoped dosing all suppliments except 1/2 dose weekly of iron.

hard to tell if the stn has slowed, but im watching carefully.

bertoni.. as long as phos stays under .08 and i dont have algae problems im comfortable.
corals will be slightly brown but if i get some good growth its ok for now.

bertoni
01/24/2012, 12:14 AM
Okay, that sounds great, then. :)

tmz
01/24/2012, 06:08 AM
that picture is a few months old. it is definately stning. im hoping to slow it down. for a birdsnest it doesnt like a ton of light.

your are definately right tmz.. it is a seriatopora caliendrum...

I have a dozen pieces of the caliendrum, all grown from a 1.5 inch frag over 3yrs; I've traded 6 or 7 as well. They tolerate lower light but like it pretty high and turn a bit more pinkish purple in the higher light. This one is 2 inches under the surface near a 250w 14k halide bulb:



http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee306/fishandfootball58/reef%202011/IMG_0287.jpg

mos90
01/24/2012, 08:46 AM
thats is a lot of light. when i had the same mh's on my tank my birdsnest was about 8" below the surface. i used eggcrate to defuse the lighting. when i removed the eggcrate it started to bleach in a few days.. wonder why.

mos90
01/24/2012, 09:24 AM
would lack of light cause stn from the base up?


im also leaning towards using to much gfo at 1 time.

tmz
01/24/2012, 12:18 PM
It might as the coral shades itself out. or reduces flow to polyps perhaps resulting in some localized hypoxia at night. Very hard to figure stn. I've not had a problem with this coral even in less light though. May be a rapid PO4 reduction. I run mine around .04ppm /.05ppm( per hanah) with NO3 in the 0.2 to 0.5 range(pr salifert).

mos90
01/24/2012, 12:29 PM
it has to be rapid po4 reduction. in this tank parameters are rock solid. nothing ever moves much.

mos90
01/26/2012, 09:23 AM
update.. stil dosing 4ml no3p04x per day. 12ml reef energy.

2 days ago i removed the rest of the gfo i had running. i saved it just in case i still need it.

no3 was still .75. but i saw a rise in phos according to hanna meter. i have been reading 0. it is much more difficult to tell this difference using the redsea test. this morning i got a reading of 10pbb(.03ppm). im happy with this as long as i can keep in this area.

im going to keep dosages the same and monitor p04 to see if it rises. if it does the first thing i will do is back off on the reef energy dosing and go from there.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/26/2012, 04:31 PM
Sounds good.

Good luck. :)

mos90
01/30/2012, 08:24 AM
update.

dosage still the same.

no3-.75
phos-6ppb.

all gfo removed and running 1/3 cup rox carbon.

im still fighting stn on that 1 coral. might have slowed down but not stopped yet.

slowly raising alk up more. im up to 165ppm from 155ppm. id like to shoot for 178(10dkh). i dont think this increase will stress corals over a 2 week period. im hoping the rise will help increase growth.

i added another powerhead for additional flow. and set mp40's and mp10 at about 75% in tidal swell mode. with all my powerheads im right around 6000gph so i dont think im lacking flow.

mos90
01/30/2012, 03:05 PM
my ph is up to 8.41 right now. is that ok?

jimrawr
01/30/2012, 07:10 PM
8.41 is totally fine

mos90
01/30/2012, 08:36 PM
I've noticed as alk slowly rises stn is progressively worsening. I've also noticed 1 other coral with slight stn also. I'm a little worried. Im wondering if I'm going the wrong way and should be lowering to nsw levels.

jimrawr
01/30/2012, 09:43 PM
I dont think 10DKH is too high, but you may not want to make changes while your sps are not in a healthy state. Wait till things stabilize before making changes in something as critical as ALK imo.

bertoni
01/30/2012, 10:04 PM
If you're seeing more RTN with the higher alkalinity level, then slowly lowering the dKH to 7 or so might be a useful experiment to try.

mos90
01/31/2012, 09:00 AM
If you're seeing more RTN with the higher alkalinity level, then slowly lowering the dKH to 7 or so might be a useful experiment to try.

i was thinking the same thing. i will try it. how slowly should i go, a few weeks? its at 9.5 right now.

in your experience can changing flow cause stn? all i did was add some more flow(not direct) and change from short pulse mode to tidal swell.

i know this is a tough question but can lack of light cause stn? i have my 4-ai's at 60% . im thinking it should be enough light.

tmz
01/31/2012, 10:36 AM
I use halide and vho lighting and have little experience with led lighting for sps beyond using some for supplemental lighting( reef brites ,par 38 bulbs too). The par 38's have bleached a few frags but some others other s color better with them. The bird of pardise seriatoora does fine with and without them. Ehanced water clarity from the organics reduction asociatedwith the dosing could play into it as well.

Eric Borneman wrote a series of atricles( entitled; " The Right to Breathe", IIRC, on hypoxia which can effect sps as oxygen producing photosynthesis stops for the night. Flow patterns play an important role in preventing localized hypoxic conditions .

FWIW, I run alk around 9.6 and have for 3 yrs without stn issues.

mos90
01/31/2012, 11:31 AM
i can only guess as to what may be causing stn. there are few things i should probably rule out. im sure the nopox is not causing any of these issues.

1) temp--steady at 78
2) cal/mag 450/1400
3) flow-plenty
4) trace elements.. 10% w/c every 2 weeks. i should not need to dose.

im going to have to lean towards 1 of 3 things. alk, lack of light or possibly stress from light changes. im sure dosing chemi clean for cyano didnt help.

it is getting to the point that i may not keep any sps. i just dont have the time to dedicate or should i say troubleshoot their needs. it seems, for me at least, every little change ends up as an issue. i dont want to end up hating this hobby.


my other tank (28gal)is much more enjoyable with a few softies,lps's,zoas and an anemone. besides a small hair algae issue a had before and the fact that i picked up mantis shrimp hitchhicker in my live rock(that kills all my snails and a few fish) it has been great.

mos90
01/31/2012, 02:08 PM
i talked to redsea on this stn issue. i was advised to stop nopox and let nutrient levels rise some while still maintaining reef energy dosing. while letting alk slowly fall back to 8ish and see if corals show any improvment in a few weeks. if not i may have a huge frag sale.):

mos90
02/01/2012, 01:42 PM
im going to try a different salt ,the reef crystals i have been using mixes up nice but dkh is over 12. i have a bucket of redsea salt laying around not the pro coral salt the standard salt thats close to nsw. it mixes up around 7.8dkh and calcium is still over 400. im going to do a 20gal w/c with it within the next few days. cant hurt anything. im getting low on reef crystals anyways.

Randy Holmes-Farley
02/01/2012, 02:14 PM
Ok sounds like a fine plan.:)

Trini 2D Bone
02/02/2012, 05:25 AM
Had the same thing happen in my tank with stn so I stop dosing Nopox

mos90
02/02/2012, 05:41 AM
In my case the nopox didn't cause the start of the stn but it may be accelerating it some. I didn't totally stop dosing it, I backed off to 1 ml per day instead of 4. I'd like to see nutrients rise some before I increase dosage again.

Randy Holmes-Farley
02/02/2012, 10:55 AM
If the STN is caused by a bacterial infection, it makes sense that dosing a form of carbon that those bacteria consume would be undesirable.

mos90
02/03/2012, 08:23 AM
we may never know what the cause is. im very surprised that it has not been narrowed down a little bit over the years. if it is bacterial then i will need to to frag and dip. i hope it doesnt spread.

update

1ml. nopox a day 16ml reef energy each per day. there was just a little cyano in the fuge again. i removed it manually. macro algae still growing.

no3-.75
phos .03
alk 157ppm
temp 78.3 slowly raising it some to 78.8 -79

did a 10gal w/c last night with the redsea salt. i will do another 1 on saturday, i like this salt.. at 1.027 alk was at 155ppm. r/c was at 210ppm. calcium was a bit lower 410 compared to 450 but i could use to lower my calcium anyways.

mos90
02/07/2012, 08:28 AM
did a lights out for 2 days on the fuge. all cyano is gone.

still at same dosage.

no3-1ppm
po4-.03

alk is close to where i plan to keep it at 145ppm(8.1dkh).. im shooting for 135-140 and holding it there.

all corals looking good except the 1 birdsnest. might have to frag it. the funny thing is i have another frag of the same birdsnest on the other side of the tank getting the same waterflow but just a little less light and it seems to be doing fine. odd.

mos90
02/10/2012, 10:08 AM
update.. corals looking great. ive noticed good growth over the last month. dkh still steady at 145 per hanna 7.6dkh per redsea. i think the light is dialed in close now. might need to go slightly more intense.

i raised the nopox dosage from 1ml to 2 per day. id like to lower no3 from 1ppm to about .5 . the only coral thats browned (only tips colored)is my purple nana. the others are starting to color up nicely. ill snap a few pictures this weekend.

bertoni
02/10/2012, 07:31 PM
Okay, that sounds like good progress!

mos90
02/14/2012, 11:38 AM
tested a new batch on redsea salt. according to redsea alk should be 8.2dlk at 1.026. i tested it at 1.027 and according to hanna tester it was 172ppm(9.6dkh) and the redsea kit it was 8.4dkh. i thinking the red sea test is more accurate for some reason.

i also tested the tank. 140ppm per hanna and 7.2 dlk according to redsea.from now on im going to treat the hanna meter as reading a full 1dkh higher then it should. the elos test read 7 also. most of the corals were doing there best at about 165ppm, so thats where i plan to keep it. 140 is definately causing an issue.

also a few corals were showing some signs of bleaching. so i lower led intensity some. 4% and 1/2 hour off peak.

jimrawr
02/14/2012, 01:03 PM
Yup, hanna reads 1dkh higher than most other test kits. This is documented in these forums others having the same results

mos90
02/14/2012, 01:19 PM
Yup, hanna reads 1dkh higher than most other test kits. This is documented in these forums others having the same results

that would not good if your using hanna to stay at nsw levels. instead of 7dkh u would be at 6 and wondering what your doing wrong.

i have seen this posted elsewhere and in this forum also.

MarcWeaver
02/14/2012, 01:33 PM
that would not good if your using hanna to stay at nsw levels. instead of 7dkh u would be at 6 and wondering what your doing wrong.

i have seen this posted elsewhere and in this forum also.

That very thing happened to me. I was losing SPS and didn't know why. In testing with several kits and averaging my results, I now multiply my ppm reading from my Hanna by .84, then .056 to get dKH reading. I have my alk at 9 dKH now (which is 190 on my checker after correcting.) Red sea pro was 1/2-3/4 dKH high as well. The closest one was API, which I based everything off of in the end based on a month's worth of testing and observation on my SPS and LPS coral. No other changes were made. As soon as I get my hands on a reference solution, I'm going to check that as well.

mos90
02/14/2012, 08:22 PM
How do u know that your dkh is actually at 9? It seems so many different results from test kits.

mos90
02/20/2012, 08:07 PM
Update.

Still at 1ml no pox and 16ml of each reef energy.

Temp. 78.5
Alk 8.2
Phos 2ppb (.006ppm). Little to low
No3. 1ppm
Cal 455
Mag 1350

I started using filter sock a few weeks ago. I change them out about every 5 days. Water clarity is better.

I have notice a few corals bleaching at the tips Backed off LEDs a bit more.

I had to frag one of the birdsnests and most likely the other 1 will not make it either. If someone wants the frags I will give them away. I'm worried if I frag the large 1 my acro crab will not make it. He is very picky.

mos90
02/21/2012, 08:04 AM
while i was tring to remove the frag plug for the birdsnest i had a little rock shift. i did the best i could to steady it with out removing all the rock in the center. now my diamond goby wasnt out this morning. im hoping he didnt get crushed under a rock. if he isnt out tonight i will have to move all the rock..

the birds nest corals are not going to make it. i might have to toss the frag i made also.

RegalAngel
02/21/2012, 02:04 PM
What test kit are you using to measure Nitrate?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2134647

mos90
02/22/2012, 08:26 AM
i am using redsea kit. i think it is working properly. i get different readings on both my tanks and if i stop dosing nopox for a few days nitrate does rise some. i also have api test kit and it reads 0.

mos90
02/27/2012, 11:47 AM
update.

parameters look stable. i had to remove my birdsnest and i other sps.

back to dosing 4ml nopox and 16ml reef energy. my cheato was starting to die so i removed it. not running any macro aglae in the fuge for now. phos still seem to be around .01 and nitrate is about 1ppm. no signs of cyano or hair algae. ive noticed my brain coral not opening up as much as normal. could be to increased nopox dosing. im going away for 3 days the end on the week and my son is watching the tanks. im going to stop the nopox dosing and see the results when i get back but i will continue the reef energy dosing.

i love my ai leds but it seems to be difficult to find the "sweet spot" that all my coral like. the t'5 were much easier to dial in.

mos90
02/27/2012, 12:37 PM
alk at 8.4dkh

mos90
03/05/2012, 10:58 AM
got back from vacation and noticed 3 more of my sps's rtning. my son watched my tanks and did a good job. all parameters were in check. the only thing that changed was i told him not to dose reef energy or nopox and turned off gac reactor.

jimrawr
03/05/2012, 11:29 AM
I started to lose SPS and some LPS when I was dosing NOPOX so I stopped. Really had bad results as far as my corals were concerned, but it did work very well at reducing PO4 and NO3, and algae that I had. Dont know if the downturn was because of the NOPOX and its too soon to tell if stopping helped

mos90
03/05/2012, 11:59 AM
i am going to stop for a while. i will continue to dose reef energy. might be out of sps's soon at this rate. even my open brain isnt happy.

jimrawr
03/05/2012, 03:52 PM
I lost one beautiful brain and a couple lobos doing terribly.. Ive had these in my system for years so I do think it was the nopox..

mos90
03/06/2012, 08:19 AM
the colors in my tank look totally washed out. i have my ai leds backed off to 35/35/35. at that settings par is similar to my 4x80w t5 lighting that was hung at 10" awl,and still corals look bleached. im thinking i might go back down to 30/30/30 and leave it for a while.

phos-1ppb - .003ppm
no3- 2ppm
temp 78
alk 8.1
cal 450
mag 1450

i have no idea what is going on. im afraid to turn light intensity any higher.

tmz
03/06/2012, 12:33 PM
Sorry for our troubles.
FWIW. The lobo and open brain issues noted occured in my tanks when I dosed small amounts of sugar several years ago. No such problems with the vodka and vinegar over the last 3+ years.
Not sure about the leds for sps; I don't use them except for some blue supplement; but, several of my friends use leds with success for lps including lobos ,thrachyphillia, scolymia,etc.

mos90
03/08/2012, 10:48 AM
it seems that my peppermint shrimp like to pick at my brain coral. there is some skeleton showing on its back side. im going to focus on some target feed for a while. i moved it to a lower flow area.

i removed my calcium reactor, i didnt need it. 1tsp per gallon of kalk in ato is enough to keep alk steady at 8dkh and the ph between 8.2 and 8.4 . i wish i had room to keep a 55gal drum to store premixed kalk. i guess could keep it in the garage in the summer.

for some reason phosphate is staying very low, 0-1ppb. even though im feeding fish 2 times a day and corals once per day. not using any gfo only 1/2 cup rox carbon.

i had to order some more macro algae. the small amount of cheato i had in the fuge was dieing off so i removed it. the tank has no sign of any algae.

i lowered my lighting to 25/30/30 with a 1 hour midday blast at 30/30/30. we will see how that goes.

Big E
03/09/2012, 08:15 AM
I just read your whole thread as I was curious.......replacing the chemical reducer to eliminate the GFO seemed like a worthy idea & plan, but.........

All the changes beyond this, chasing numbers, reacting to corals & so forth........Toooo much stuff going on over 45 days. I know this is going to sound preachy but doing things slow based on months has always worked well for me.

I don't know how long you have had the LED's but I don't think I'd do anything new/changes to my tank for at least 4 months after adding those.

mos90
03/09/2012, 10:44 AM
i agree with u.. i not as patient as i should be. im going to leave things alone for a while. its been at least 4 months for the leds.