The Lutz Children's Museum Looking for upgrades!

[mylifeismyown66]

I told the Lutz that I would post on here this week. Their tank could use a few upgrades, the most important being some powerheads. Right now there are 2 very old maxi jets without the powerhead mods that barely run. If you have any powerheads that would be an upgrade (old koralias, maxi jets with the powerheads mods that work, etc) they would really appreciate it. They could also probably use a little more pest free live/dry rock as well and if anyone has any corals that can handle PC lighting that would also help. Currently the setup is as follows: 75g tank, AquaClear 110 HOB filter, Aqua-C HOB skimmer, 2 mostly not working maxi jet powerheads, 2 bulb PC fixture with new bulbs, glass tops. And the livestock right now consists of 2 smaller occelaris clowns, firefish goby, engineer goby, peppermint shrimp. If anyone has anything that can upgrade this system as a donation please contact me. Thanks!

[spjames]

You got pm !

[Chriskid]

i will bring some corals if the tank gets enough attention, i dont have any thing to offer for equipment but if you get t5s on it i will donate all kinds of sps frags. i have 2 400 watt lights,but thats too much overkill. i dont know what else i can do to help. the lady there also asked me to do somthing but i am an hour away. but if there is anything else i can do let me know.

[Chriskid]

i know i can scape it with emaco next meeting there.:)

[mylifeismyown66]

Haha Im sure they would love some T5s, but I don't think they actually buy anything for the tank. Everything they get comes from donations. And I do think the 400w lights might be a bit overkill and Im not sure they would want that much heat in that room lol

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I have a bunch of Turbo snails and hermits that could use a new home. Let me know if they need any of those. I also have a few good sized rocks with brown Palys that could use a new home also.

[Chriskid]

Haha Im sure they would love some T5s, but I don't think they actually buy anything for the tank. Everything they get comes from donations. And I do think the 400w lights might be a bit overkill and Im not sure they would want that much heat in that room lol

ya i know it needs t5s, i only have ever used is mh. the balists i have are to much without a chiller. not the right road for the lutz. but if some one has t5 i could help stock it with sps.

[Chriskid]

ya know local fish stores might donate lights, ill ask a few people i know,but no promises:)

[norrin_radd]

maybe we all pitch in a few bucks and buy a light. maybe have a fundraiser or something. is it a 48" tank? someones selling a 48"t5 for cheap. everyone $5 and viola, light. and Erbgo has that moving out the country person with a great bunch of stuff for the tank. i may have a 1100 gph koralia i was gonna put in a 45 tall that i am not setting up anymore. (selling tank and stand) for flow... the Luts tank NEEDS a better light. =)

[mtc1966]

no need for a fund raiser just a quick vote of members (i am not one) and i bet 175$ of club funds could be allocated for buying the lights.

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I would absolutely chip in for anything for the clubs tank. That tank is supposed to represent what the club and this hobby is all about and I would love to see it look the part. That 6 bulb t5 fixture that is for sale in Groton would be the perfect light for that tank. That light would give enough par to grow just about any corals and clams. I say we try to get it for the clubs tank.

[norrin_radd]

well the 175 in club funds sounds great. And I am SURE it might sell for cheaper if it were for the Lutz.... I have lots of zoas to donate that will not stop growing!!!

[suicideissleep]

I have maxi mods what maxis are they?

[mylifeismyown66]

I have maxi mods what maxis are they?

Ill have to check. I could get one barely on the other day, and the other I couldnt get working, I will have to take it out of the tank and see if it just needs a cleaning, parts, or if it bit the dust.

[mtc1966]

Ill have to check. I could get one barely on the other day, and the other I couldnt get working, I will have to take it out of the tank and see if it just needs a cleaning, parts, or if it bit the dust.

i bet they haven't seen a vinegar bath in a long time

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Or ever, lol

[msl5078]

Hi everyone,

I am the one who has 48" 6x54 watt T5 light in Groton. I had a potential buyer down in Flordia for the light, but haven't finalized the sale with the indivisual. Have someone give me a call at (724)858-9183 tonight.

I need to join this club finally!

Thanks,
Mike

[Chriskid]

no need for a fund raiser just a quick vote of members (i am not one) and i bet 175$ of club funds could be allocated for buying the lights.

i would vote it in.

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Me too

[Sandia97]

me three

[swannyson7]

I've got some powerheads sitting around that I could bring to the Lutz next time I make it to a meeting up there. Nothing fancy, just some old MJs, but they've all had a good vinegar bath and work great.

[suicideissleep]

When's the last water change and also does anyone do them in the reg

[michaelmmreef01]

Hi all,

Has anybody considered using an algae scrubber for this tank? Don't they do a great job of keeping trades down (therefore limiting the amount of water changes that need to be performed)?

I am seriously considering using the one that we made at the meeting. :)

[Chriskid]

im glad to see as many interests in this tank. allot of good pepole here,and in the club.IMO this tank is a reflection on us,and should be looked after. i did a presentation at my daughters class, and if you saw the faces, it wuz priceless:)

[suicideissleep]

Love the kids there our future

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I just ordered my new powerheads so as soon as they come in I will bring my 2-aqueon 950s to Fintastic for the club tank.

[Sandia97]

Should we focus the next meeting on the Lutz tank?? Work on it? Everyone bring something or bring $5 and we take a field trip to Fintastic and then pimp the tank up ha ha

[Chriskid]

pimp the tank ,i like it:)

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Sounds like a good idea to me, lol.

[mtc1966]

pimp my tank sounds like a new tv show for sure

[carlos413]

I could donate a frogspawn frag and a few candycane heads.

[michaelmmreef01]

Should we focus the next meeting on the Lutz tank?? Work on it? Everyone bring something or bring $5 and we take a field trip to Fintastic and then pimp the tank up ha ha

Sounds fun! :) Great idea!

[ClemQuat]

Here are my thoughts (as well as another members) The Lutz tank started out as a donated 30g hex with a 10g sump. the sump kept having issues and the maintenance was just too high so a 75g was donated to go sumpless. The Lutz tank was based on the premise that members would donate time, equipment, and livestock to the tank in exchange for the Lutz letting us use the property for our meetings.

The reason the club is where it is financially is because we dont go writing checks left and right. In the past couple days I have been following this thread and making phone calls and have found a couple options on how to upgrade the Lutz tank. A member mentioned that they may have 2 extra metal halide pendants we could use for the tank. Another option (and a better one IMO) is there is the same member who has a 29g HQI biocube with a new metal halide bulb they would be willing to give us to use in place of the 75g.

At the end of the day the Lutz is a childrens museum and what do kids want to see when they look at a fish tank? Nemo... they dont care that it has a frag of a millepora alcicornis, they want to see color and nemo...

So here is what I propose, we break down the 75g and put the 29g Biocube in its place, get a nice rose bubbletip and a couple cool corals and call it a day. It will be easier on all of us, Fintastic (who has been MORE than great in helping with the tank) and the Lutz staff.

Thanks for letting me get on a soapbox for a minute here...

James

[Chriskid]

Here are my thoughts (as well as another members) The Lutz tank started out as a donated 30g hex with a 10g sump. the sump kept having issues and the maintenance was just too high so a 75g was donated to go sumpless. The Lutz tank was based on the premise that members would donate time, equipment, and livestock to the tank in exchange for the Lutz letting us use the property for our meetings.

The reason the club is where it is financially is because we dont go writing checks left and right. In the past couple days I have been following this thread and making phone calls and have found a couple options on how to upgrade the Lutz tank. A member mentioned that they may have 2 extra metal halide pendants we could use for the tank. Another option (and a better one IMO) is there is the same member who has a 29g HQI biocube with a new metal halide bulb they would be willing to give us to use in place of the 75g.

At the end of the day the Lutz is a childrens museum and what do kids want to see when they look at a fish tank? Nemo... they dont care that it has a frag of a millepora alcicornis, they want to see color and nemo...

So here is what I propose, we break down the 75g and put the 29g Biocube in its place, get a nice rose bubbletip and a couple cool corals and call it a day. It will be easier on all of us, Fintastic (who has been MORE than great in helping with the tank) and the Lutz staff.

Thanks for letting me get on a soapbox for a minute here...

James
i feel being a "reef club" they should have more then a nemo. all i saw wuz a sick yellow tang. i know we can do better then that. is fintastic watching the tank?bc it didnt look like there was anyone looking after it. and a sump to much much mantinence for us. i really wish i lived closer,or had a licence,bc i would car for it. sorry but i still think it sould look better then a sump.

[Sandia97]

Idk if I have unrealistic hopes for the tank but I'm excited about this and I'm happy to donate money or time (maybe we could rotate tank chores) to whatever method of upgrade is chosen :D

[BfishLpond78]

i feel being a "reef club" they should have more then a nemo. all i saw wuz a sick yellow tang. i know we can do better then that. is fintastic watching the tank?bc it didnt look like there was anyone looking after it. and a sump to much much mantinence for us. i really wish i lived closer,or had a licence,bc i would car for it. sorry but i still think it sould look better then a sump.

I have to agree with this statement about being a reef club and having more than just a nemo. I also see an issue with downgrading the tank and having less a buffer for stability, cause as we all know the more water volume the slower things can go wrong.

I do realize there is a commitment involved and not everyone can get up there due to time and distance. But I feel as this will be a public representation of the club and what we are all about it should be done right. Its a chance to get more people involved whether its kids or parents going to see the tank.

Just my 2 cents...

[suicideissleep]

james you have a small tank so you know how much it would be hands on. we can keep the pc lighting upgrade the powerheads add a little more rock put nice rics, frogspawn,nice rose bubble,nemo, blenny,and maybe a dwarf angle somehting with color and call it a day we can do a water change once a month and call it a day the best stuff happens in my tank when i leave it alone. i know this is a reflection on our club and how would it look for a little tank in there would be over looked. we all can put a little in and upgrade the lights and call it a day we dont need to spend the clubs money everyone one here is willing to help for the kids as long as we get more flow and make sure the skimmer is working right feed light and call it a day :) my two cents

[Chriskid]

Here are my thoughts (as well as another members) The Lutz tank started out as a donated 30g hex with a 10g sump. the sump kept having issues and the maintenance was just too high so a 75g was donated to go sumpless. The Lutz tank was based on the premise that members would donate time, equipment, and livestock to the tank in exchange for the Lutz letting us use the property for our meetings.

The reason the club is where it is financially is because we dont go writing checks left and right. In the past couple days I have been following this thread and making phone calls and have found a couple options on how to upgrade the Lutz tank. A member mentioned that they may have 2 extra metal halide pendants we could use for the tank. Another option (and a better one IMO) is there is the same member who has a 29g HQI biocube with a new metal halide bulb they would be willing to give us to use in place of the 75g.

At the end of the day the Lutz is a childrens museum and what do kids want to see when they look at a fish tank? Nemo... they dont care that it has a frag of a millepora alcicornis, they want to see color and nemo...

So here is what I propose, we break down the 75g and put the 29g Biocube in its place, get a nice rose bubbletip and a couple cool corals and call it a day. It will be easier on all of us, Fintastic (who has been MORE than great in helping with the tank) and the Lutz staff.

Thanks for letting me get on a soapbox for a minute here...

James

imo, this statement does not sound like it comes a reef club at all, this statement cinda goes up my skirt alittle. alot of club members donate frags,and what not and to throw a fish in and walk away dosent sound like we r upholding any bargins. and i wouldnt what my name on it if it goes that way.

[Munchie1976]

I'm not sure what happened here but, I'm highly disappointed. So much so, that I actually logged back into my Reef Central account after four years and only five posts so that I could actually respond to what I read on here tonight. When Chris and I were members of CTARS years ago the response from club members would have been the same. There would have been numerous donations from a vast amount of members willing to give time, livestock and equipment to the place that houses our meetings. However, this comment from our own vice president?! Really?! Are you kidding me!? Forgive me but, when a child goes to the Mystic Aquarium or any other aquarium they must only be amazed by a Nemo and bubble tipped anemone right? I don't know about any other members in this club but, when a child comes to my home they sit in amazement staring at my tank and there are no Nemo's in mine or bubble tips....my tank is also a 210 gallon which they find amazing! So, why are we suddenly talking about downgrading?! I find this statement to be incredibly selfish and nothing else. I'm sorry to be the one to call anyone out about this but, someone needs to.

The Lutz has been there for CTARS for YEARS so, I don't believe that anyone should be talking about taking anything away from them any further. This thread and this club should continue to try to UPGRADE this tank rather than downgrade it. There have been plenty of members on here totally willing to donate and I'm sure that this commitment will continue as long as their efforts are not pushed away.

Melissa

[SueAndHerZoo]

I've never made it to a meeting and I've never been to the Lutz, but I, too, was so disappointed at the concept of possibly downsizing rather than upgrading that I felt I had to chime in.

I would hate to think that the tank at the Lutz is a representation of our gratitude for their ongoing hospitality and that we decided to go smaller and easier. I can't volunteer to do any maintenance but I will certainly pitch in financially...... just let me know when and where to send it.
Sue

[Chriskid]

I've never made it to a meeting and I've never been to the Lutz, but I, too, was so disappointed at the concept of possibly downsizing rather than upgrading that I felt I had to chime in.

I would hate to think that the tank at the Lutz is a representation of our gratitude for their ongoing hospitality and that we decided to go smaller and easier. I can't volunteer to do any maintenance but I will certainly pitch in financially...... just let me know when and where to send it.
Sue

well said, and no one should have to donate money to this. everyone has equipment and things, i mentioned the club write a check for t5s. knowing no one has a 400$ fixture to give away. but we can get one cheap. when this wuz said now we r looking to down size. I think not. i have never seen anyone ask for club money to go anywhere,bc we all know the club cant write checks everywhere. however this is a different thing all together. its the rent for space,and our thanks. So i do believe it will be brought up at the next meeting to find funds for this, and many people in this club will be in favor. ive had many phone calls. so lets just do something nice for the kids.

[illjoshlli]

Not sure if you want it but I have a large kenya tree and more then a few nice pink/brown pulsing xenia stalks, few frags of gsp, and a few other polyps I could give.

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[suicideissleep]

and what happened to our pres i been trying to get ahold of him sence before he went somewhere and no answer was going to go pick the stuff up and meet with some members and add it to the tank if the tank could suport it if not i would of put it in my spare tank till it was ready. also imo this should be a club vote and this is our rent like chris said i have only been in the club sence october and i will and would do what ever i can to get that tank looking better i feel my name is on that tank in the state it is now i feel the lutz shouldnt even have there name on that tank

[suicideissleep]

to me i would rather the club spend money on the tank than a picnic imo this just sorta bothers me alot this isnt the way a club should work

[Rwinfrey]

I would be able to get some free stuff and wholesale prices for equipment who ever is actually in charge of it would need to contact me if you need an ro/di tune up let me know.

[Gobey]

I come from knowing the history of the very first tank I designed, donated and maintained for the lutz that my wife and I topped off and cleaned on our free weekends.

When I read this, I just wasn't 100% sold that adding better lights would solve the problem. But I do not know the details.

I merely suggested to James that I have an extra 29 Biocube with a metal halide light. So...going smaller was MY suggestion and I take 100% full responsibility for bringing it up.

I have found this set up to be very maintenance light. I have a pair of black clowns, a pair of swiss guard basslets, a fiji damsel, a sharknose gobey and a bicolor blenny...all in my living room in a tank wiht enough light for a massive red bubble tip anemone.

It was merely a suggestion because I find it easy and beautiful and I'm still amazed with the development of technology with the biocubes and similar nanos.

Furthermore, I donated so much of the gear - not all - but so much of the gear from day one. The club hasn't purchased any to the best of my knowledge.

Obviously this is for the benefit of the patrons of the Lutz Children's Museum - children. Seconary, we are the beneficiaries of the agreement that Tom Stange and I arranged many moons ago that granted CTARS a free classroom to have meetings in too.

So....I have a pair of 250 halide pendants to donate, 4 t-5s to donate with a ballast, I have a $500 biocube I'm willing to donate, I have cured pest free rock to donate, plenty of coral to donate - all free. The point was to make the tank turn key and attactive. Not simply scale it back. Something beautiful and easy to maintain.

Size doesn't equal beauty in this hobby - my suggestion to James was based upon how little I had to do to maintain my own 29 at home.

If the consensus is that spending $175 of club money will solve the concern with the 75, please let us wait to speak with the president, who I believe may be traveling this weekend. I just want to be certain that this membership momentum (who's heart is obviously in the right place) will solve the problem with buying lights.

This expenditure is just out of the ordinary compared to what I have seen club money spent on in my tenure. I just have always been impressed with the donations of good gear from members garages and basements for free.

I have a 230 in my basement and a 29 in my living room and I enjoy them equally...my 5 and 3 year old kids...prefer the 29 as they love Nemo...

[Rwinfrey]

I maintain a 75 pretty much with all donations at my sons school I think the with the right contacts and equipment this tank can be pretty self sufficient. I aleady have spoken with an ro/di dealer and he is willing to hook the club( the lutz ) up.

[mtc1966]

i agree my bio cube was one of my nicest tanks. goby your offers are incredible generous.

[carlos413]

I think that we all share the same concern about our tank. Its definitely a direct representation of our club. That said I think that we can keep the current system and just upgrade what needs to be upgraded. For example the powerheads. I think someone already stated that they have some powerheads that they would be willing to donate. We have some people that would done corals among other things. Do we need T5? I bet that we could do a nice softy / lps tank with those pc lights that we already have. The bulbs might need some changeing if so that wont brake the bank. Just my opinion..... We are one as a club and whatever we decide to do as a club will reflect on all of us. I believe a club vote is in order and I am willing to support the majority of the club .

[mylifeismyown66]

Sorry, I did not mean to start a huge debate. This was mostly about the powerheads because there is definitely not enough flow in the tank. The lighting is not very good though the bulbs just got replaced is sufficient for basic leathers and mushrooms, but other than this the tank does have enough actual equipment to keep running. Im just not sure who is actually doing the water changes and cleaning. Really I just told Sarah from the Lutz I would look into finding some more powerheads for the tank that would help with the algae in all the dead spots and possibly find a light so more corals could be introduced. We (Fintastic) had been donating some new fish to the tank ever since it crashed during the power outage and donated the new PC bulbs for the fixture.

[Rwinfrey]

I think the club should get some new tunzes two 6055's would do the tank justice and relieve the dead spot issue as far as lights nobody has an old set of t-5's really. I am in for 5 to 10 bucks. THIS WOULD NOT TAKE A LARGE SOME OF MONEY.

[suicideissleep]

The people that are willing to put time in the tank should find a day that's ok with sarah and we all meet up put together what we have and make ur work like we do at our own homes and do it all off donations With all of the active members we can make a awesome tank that will take almost no care

[Rwinfrey]

I think about 400 bucks total and around 200 a year to maintain is and was spent.most of the money we spend is on salt. Not chemicals those are donated all year long and so are the bulbs every year we get a new set of them thanks to esv and uvl ,avast marine hooked us up with the skimmer, and atb got the skimmer pump for the tank tunze has provided most of the free flow except for the last pump which we were given cost he had no refurbished 6055's,the return pump is a mag drive given to us by supreme,and the lumber and plumping was given to the school by local hardware stores. The 75 was donated by a local reefer. we even got a magus doser ro given.the ro/di is aqua fx which supports the club and has already agreed to keep the ro going oh and puppy center hooks us up with livstock deals.It really is all about time on the phone explaining to the companies what you are doing there are some really great ones out there willing to help.
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[frankyrivera]

Wow! it seems as if this thread has derailed a bit with he said she said and what i meant was and with i don't want to put my name on that and what a poor representation of the club this tank is, that we've kind of lost focus so here's my attempt to bring this back to what it should of been.

This is what we have:

A 75 Gallon tank
PC lights - that might need to be replaced with better T5's if we want to keep cooler stuff
old power heads and obviously not enough

So here's what we need:

Either through generous donations of club members or the club purchasing it with it's funds which at the end of the day is what they collect member dues for to better the club.

I believe if we just make a list of needed items maybe people can commit to an item and we cross it off the list as we acquire it.

Those that don't have items to donate can donate Cash or time.

It's very simple i think people might be overtalking and over thinking the issue.

I would love to see this tank really take off cuz truthfully i didn't even know we had a tank at the Lutz. maybe we can promote it better when its up and running.

Secondly when i saw it i said what the hell is that??????? I said to myself this museum sucks look at that tank and then realized it was ours man that's embarrassing.

I think if we focus our energy on making this happen as opposed to killing the people for making suggestions either good or bad we can be on our way to a very nice tank.

I am willing to donate frags, equipment and Cash lets just get our list started and go from there i don't think we need much.

A little TLC along with the clubs positive reinforcement we can have a tank worth saying "Hey come check out our tank, if you like what you see you should join our club"

Good luck and lets make this happen

Franky

[Rwinfrey]

I am not trying to derail the thread I am just saying we are a big club and companies know it they will help so this tank will be beautiful and easy to maintain that's all. And maybe we can gt some more little reefers

[carlos413]

wow! It seems as if this thread has derailed a bit with he said she said and what i meant was and with i don't want to put my name on that and what a poor representation of the club this tank is, that we've kind of lost focus so here's my attempt to bring this back to what it should of been.

This is what we have:

A 75 gallon tank
pc lights - that might need to be replaced with better t5's if we want to keep cooler stuff
old power heads and obviously not enough

so here's what we need:

Either through generous donations of club members or the club purchasing it with it's funds which at the end of the day is what they collect member dues for to better the club.

I believe if we just make a list of needed items maybe people can commit to an item and we cross it off the list as we acquire it.

Those that don't have items to donate can donate cash or time.

It's very simple i think people might be overtalking and over thinking the issue.

I would love to see this tank really take off cuz truthfully i didn't even know we had a tank at the lutz. Maybe we can promote it better when its up and running.

Secondly when i saw it i said what the hell is that??????? I said to myself this museum sucks look at that tank and then realized it was ours man that's embarrassing.

I think if we focus our energy on making this happen as opposed to killing the people for making suggestions either good or bad we can be on our way to a very nice tank.

I am willing to donate frags, equipment and cash lets just get our list started and go from there i don't think we need much.

A little tlc along with the clubs positive reinforcement we can have a tank worth saying "hey come check out our tank, if you like what you see you should join our club"

good luck and lets make this happen

franky
+1

[frankyrivera]

I am not trying to derail the thread I am just saying we are a big club and companies know it they will help so this tank will be beautiful and easy to maintain that's all. And maybe we can gt some more little reefers

I'm not saying you've derailed the thread RWinfrey. I mean the thread in general has lost focus. I think what you have done is amazing and thank you

[Munchie1976]

I'm still pretty disgusted by what the treasurer wrote on here. His post seemed to be more of a boast on how much time and effort and donations he's put into the tank in the past. And then to post the amount of money that some his donations are worth...very tasteless in my opinion.

Rwinfrey is correct...the proper phone calls are not being made either. Instead of calling each other and making decisions without club members voting (which is what should be done as well) why aren't any of you calling any companies to see if they are willing to donate NEW fixtures and equipment to the museum and club? Instead, you got on your soapboxes and made a lot of people angry. (Our phone has been ringing quite a bit too)

The tank is an embarrassment to our club. When we walked in last meeting a worker from the Lutz asked us to please come and look at the sick tang in the tank as no one had come to see it when they had called the week before. We didn't even know they called anyone to care for it! There is no reason for this. These are the small kinds of announcements that should be made at the meetings and even here on Reef Central so that Fintastic isn't completely responsible and so that all these members that are willing to help, can.

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Hopefully by next weekend I will be able to head down that way with a pair of "Aqueon 950 powerheads" for the club tank. I know they aren't tunze powerheads but they do crank out some real good flow. They are the powerheads I am currently running on my 75. The only reason I am changing powerheads is that I want to run my powerheads on the wavemaker setting on my reefkeeper and the aqueons aren't designed to, otherwise I wouldn't get rid of them because I do like them. If everyone is OK with using these powerheads we can check them off the list of needs and focus more on the lighting and filtration needs of the clubs tank.

[carlos413]

Hopefully by next weekend I will be able to head down that way with a pair of "Aqueon 950 powerheads" for the club tank. I know they aren't tunze powerheads but they do crank out some real good flow. They are the powerheads I am currently running on my 75. The only reason I am changing powerheads is that I want to run my powerheads on the wavemaker setting on my reefkeeper and the aqueons aren't designed to, otherwise I wouldn't get rid of them because I do like them. If everyone is OK with using these powerheads we can check them off the list of needs and focus more on the lighting and filtration needs of the clubs tank.

That's very generous of you. Those are nice powerheads. :thumbsup:

[frankyrivera]

There we go no were headed in the right direction. Power heads checked off lol. Next item:
1: light fixture
2: bulbs
3: frags
4: livestock
5: live rock
6: ????

[erbgo]

Hi all! Sorry, I went away for the weekend. As I said on my other post about the pickup I was unavailable, as there is no phone or internet. And now I am back.
As far as just take a vote...no that is not how to do it.

Chris, I would love to get the rock and have you and your girlfriend (the one that you said has the eye to put rock together like a piece of art) put it together. Lets try to plan it out. If anyone has rock that they want to donate, let Chris or myself know so we can arrange pickup.

Water changes: Jeff used to do them every two weeks. I was doing one once every month and some else was talking the other time, as it used to be done every two weeks (10g).
It has been posted several times over the past few years for help. Once in a while we would get some help, but nothing consistent.

When I posted a year and 1/2 ago for help to move the tank when the Lutz needed it moved to the new room I got NO ONE, so I moved it myself.

So, if anyone is going to complain about it, then tell me what month YOU are going to do a filter clean and water change, and I will make the list. It's 1 time a month. We need 12 people to choose a month, lets see how many we can get.

As the water top, off I got a RODI donated by Aqua FX and the Lutz staff uses it to make top off.

Bob thank you for the power heads they will be very well accepted.

I am in favor of the 75g staying.

As far as talking to Sarah, please talk to me. I am sure someone had good intentions but the ball got dropped on the yellow tang. PLEASE talk to me.

Munchie1976: I guess you dont know Rich our treasurer. If you did, you would know he is one that only wants to see this club thrive. He is not one to toot his own horn. It's not the way you read into it. He will give, and has given more to this club than anyone. If any member ever asked him for anything he would hand it over no question asked, nothing asked in return. So please... if you want to be a part of this club, then be a part of it. Dont bash what you dont know. Sorry if I offended you, but your comment offended me.

I did not write this to start any more drama but to put things in check. If I offended anyone, it was not my intent.

So, let's all work together on this, and get the tank to what it should be.

[frankyrivera]

Here here...to getting the tank to where it should be. Hey erbgo just a thought if u need someone to clean the tank at least once a month why not have a few people do it while the meetings are going on heck were all ready there

[mtc1966]

Eric sorry i originally mentioned doing a vote for a light . i should of worded it differently as to say if that is how the rules work . i certainly didnt want to start all this and see people get bashed.
welcome back i hope you had a good trip.

[mtc1966]

Here here...to getting the tank to where it should be. Hey erbgo just a thought if u need someone to clean the tank at least once a month why not have a few people do it while the meetings are going on heck were all ready there

wow that makes a lot of sense :beer:

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

wow that makes a lot of sense :beer:

:headwallblue: lol, I never even thought of that. Good thinking Franky. Maybe we should start the meetings with a good cleaning.

[erbgo]

that is a good idea but someone would have to get there early or miss part of the meeting and then you would need to bring 15-20 gallons of water but if we can get a list that way we know who will do it we need someone to do it this month as the meeting is not there anyone?

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

If we could get a few people to bring water and show up for the meeting early it would make it easier. I wouldn't mind doing it but I can't fit 15 gallons of water in my car and I only have 1-5 gallon container with a cover. But if a few other people could meet me up there with some water I will do it this month before the cookout.

[Sandia97]

This might make me look stupid but can I tag along with whoever does the cleaning/water change this month so I can see exactly what has to be done(as I am only familiar with my tank and it's equipment)? Then I'll definitely volunteer and commit to a month...without worrying about screwing anything up!

[erbgo]

If we could get a few people to bring water and show up for the meeting early it would make it easier. I wouldn't mind doing it but I can't fit 15 gallons of water in my car and I only have 1-5 gallon container with a cover. But if a few other people could meet me up there with some water I will do it this month before the cookout.

Bob that is great I have two 7g containers I will give they are what I used to use and we can pass them at the meeting to whoever will be doing it next month

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I'm guessing its just a water change, tank scrubbing, skimmer cleaning, and filter change since its got an hob filter, right? I volunteered myself not knowing exactly what needs to be done, lol. Is there replacement filter cartridges there or is it just a sponge that gets rinsed out? If I need to get filter cartridges please tell me what I need to buy for it also.

[frankyrivera]

That's what I do

[carlos413]

I got some candycane, frogspawn, harry mushrooms. Should all do ok with pc lights.

[erbgo]

yes just clean the sponge and maybe change the bag of carbon see what we can do about getting some glass clean skimmer clean out you got it can be done in 20 min. its just getting there that takes the time. Thanks bob
I started the list with bob who is next

[erbgo]

I got some candycane, frogspawn, harry mushrooms. Should all do ok with pc lights.

lets get it scaped first

[carlos413]

lets get it scaped first
Let me know when we are ready for frags.

[carlos413]

that is a good idea but someone would have to get there early or miss part of the meeting and then you would need to bring 15-20 gallons of water but if we can get a list that way we know who will do it we need someone to do it this month as the meeting is not there anyone?
Erbgo dont Lutz have an Ro unit? If they do maybe we could get someone from Lutz make us 10 gallons or so of Ro. This way when we get there all we have to do is get the correct temperature and mix the salt.

[BfishLpond78]

Are we going to be doing the tank over again? Tear down and start to finish or just give this baby a face lift?

[erbgo]

just a good facelift

[BfishLpond78]

Ok, had some leftover sand from my build. Ok ill see what else I have that will benefit this creation.

What kind of filter is on this? Wonder if we should look for a HOB fuge or something to keep algae out of the DT.

[erbgo]

all the talk and complaints and ONE volunteer to do a water change.

[suicideissleep]

I'm down

[Sandia97]

wth...ok I'm done trying

[frankyrivera]

wth...ok I'm done trying

One bump in the road and your throwing in the towel. Come on has it dawned on people that it is June schools out people go on vacation and the meeting is not even there. One is all you need thank you who ever it was. I'm sure for the next few month so long as there is a meeting being held we can get someone to do it. Hell I'll do it next meeting if no one steps up. Baby steps people lets just get the ball rolling first then we can work a schedule out on a rotation no need to get frustrated and quit hell any little bit would help it can't be any worse that it already is (I hope) just like everything in this hobby patience is key especially when looking for volunteers. Give people time they'll step up

[BfishLpond78]

I'm definately in for helping...give me a month gimme two...three i dont care...how about we pair up with someone so we can possibly learn from each others way of doing things.

I'll treat the tank as my own...

Franky...we got ourselves a new 75!!!! lol.

I don't mean to sound all corporate but I think we should but some sort of "standard work" together so that every month the things that are most important are getting done.

Count me in definately...sorry I didn't say it outright...lol

[swannyson7]

Should I still bring the powerheads I have to the next meeting up there? I also have a 2x250w cheapo MH setup with Phoenix 14k bulbs that I'd be willing to donate. I'm not sure if we'd run into overheating issues with it though? I'll also have a bunch of frags to donate when the tank is ready, but I can't really help with maintenance unless it's on the day of a meeting. It's about a 90 minute drive to manchester for me, but on the day of a meeting, I'd be willing to show up an hour early to take care of any maintenance. I also have a spare canister filter (Fluval 303) sitting around if it's needed, but I don't think I have the hoses for it.

[frankyrivera]

See Daniel son patience grasshopper look at all the volunteers saying me me me. Hey mike so I guess we're reef cleaning buds at next meeting. You clean I watch that why I can learn lol

[BfishLpond78]

See Daniel son patience grasshopper look at all the volunteers saying me me me. Hey mike so I guess we're reef cleaning buds at next meeting. You clean I watch that why I can learn lol

You would....but that works for me. Someone just tell me what I should be bringing with me.

[suicideissleep]

I'm down to help out any way I can anyone want to take a ride up there soon with me to help it a little

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I volunteered to do it the day of the picnic. I will just head up there before running to Eric's house. But I can only bring 5 gallons of water in my car so if anyone wants to meet me there with some water we can compare notes, lol.

[suicideissleep]

I will meet u there

[erbgo]

wth...ok I'm done trying

I sent you a PM and apologized for not seeing you wanted to help and would love to have you

[Gobey]

I'm happy to see the positive turn this thread has taken, but I have to get this off my chest:

I'm still pretty disgusted by what the treasurer wrote on here. His post seemed to be more of a boast on how much time and effort and donations he's put into the tank in the past. And then to post the amount of money that some his donations are worth...very tasteless in my opinion.

:(

Munchie1976: I guess you dont know Rich our treasurer. If you did, you would know he is one that only wants to see this club thrive. He is not one to toot his own horn. It's not the way you read into it. He will give, and has given more to this club than anyone. If any member ever asked him for anything he would hand it over no question asked, nothing asked in return. So please... if you want to be a part of this club, then be a part of it. Dont bash what you dont know. Sorry if I offended you, but your comment offended me.

:)

I feel very childish in bringing up the posts above, but I must publically thank Eric for speaking for me. As many folks know, my coral is your coral. That's how I started, freebees and cheap frags. And for the record, the $500 biocube's price was stated because I bought it last week and it's still in the box in my library room. I have no reason to brag, I would have donated the complete 180 I had if no one bought it. I'm proud of CTARS. Of its beginning and where it is today.

Keep up the good work members!! This Lutz tank will shape up soon with all this grass roots momentum!

:thumbsup:

[Chriskid]

Hi all! Sorry, I went away for the weekend. As I said on my other post about the pickup I was unavailable, as there is no phone or internet. And now I am back.
As far as just take a vote...no that is not how to do it.

Chris, I would love to get the rock and have you and your girlfriend (the one that you said has the eye to put rock together like a piece of art) put it together. Lets try to plan it out. If anyone has rock that they want to donate, let Chris or myself know so we can arrange pickup.

Water changes: Jeff used to do them every two weeks. I was doing one once every month and some else was talking the other time, as it used to be done every two weeks (10g).
It has been posted several times over the past few years for help. Once in a while we would get some help, but nothing consistent.

When I posted a year and 1/2 ago for help to move the tank when the Lutz needed it moved to the new room I got NO ONE, so I moved it myself.

So, if anyone is going to complain about it, then tell me what month YOU are going to do a filter clean and water change, and I will make the list. It's 1 time a month. We need 12 people to choose a month, lets see how many we can get.

As the water top, off I got a RODI donated by Aqua FX and the Lutz staff uses it to make top off.

Bob thank you for the power heads they will be very well accepted.

I am in favor of the 75g staying.

As far as talking to Sarah, please talk to me. I am sure someone had good intentions but the ball got dropped on the yellow tang. PLEASE talk to me.

Munchie1976: I guess you dont know Rich our treasurer. If you did, you would know he is one that only wants to see this club thrive. He is not one to toot his own horn. It's not the way you read into it. He will give, and has given more to this club than anyone. If any member ever asked him for anything he would hand it over no question asked, nothing asked in return. So please... if you want to be a part of this club, then be a part of it. Dont bash what you dont know. Sorry if I offended you, but your comment offended me.

I did not write this to start any more drama but to put things in check. If I offended anyone, it was not my intent.

So, let's all work together on this, and get the tank to what it should be.

we need to have a chat. i dont think i will be up your house, but before or after a meeting in the future.

[suicideissleep]

i got a 180 non drilled tank if the lutz wants a upgrades lol

[amcarrig]

II feel very childish in bringing up the posts above, but I must publically thank Eric for speaking for me. As many folks know, my coral is your coral. That's how I started, freebees and cheap frags. And for the record, the $500 biocube's price was stated because I bought it last week and it's still in the box in my library room. I have no reason to brag, I would have donated the complete 180 I had if no one bought it. I'm proud of CTARS. Of its beginning and where it is today.

Eric is not the only one who will speak for you. I echo everything that was said about Rich and then some. If anything on this thread is tasteless, it's the rude and untrue things that were said about him. It not only goes against the spirit of the club as I knew it when I was a member but against what I know to be Rich's true nature.

[Chriskid]

There we go no were headed in the right direction. Power heads checked off lol. Next item:
1: light fixture
2: bulbs
3: frags
4: livestock
5: live rock
6: ????

i love the list idea. i just spoke to eric and i told him i would scape the tank,and i will draw out a scimatic of what will and can work for the luz(low maintenance). if need be i will also drill out the 75 to make it work witha sump the right way. with limmited space we will need a GOOD hang on sump skimmer at least 200g worthey(not coralife). but let me see what i can fit in the drawing.

does anyone know the mesurements of space in the stand there?

[ClemQuat]

Chris, if you need any help just let me know.

Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

[Chriskid]

i just got a 48" light fixture for the luz ill post pic tonight need to clean and rewire it

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Cool! Can't wait to see what it is.

[Chriskid]

this is the light twin 250 hqi twin 54watt t5s

here is the catch, i never liked this stile light balast. so i will run it for a few days to work out the bugs. but i think we need a new used duel balest. and the t5 balests were burnt up, so i put in one new used one, but need another.


also here is my ruff sketch of what i think is the way we should go.ask questions and i will be happy to tell you why i planed it this way.

[Useful_Idiot]

if need be i will also drill out the 75 to make it work witha sump the right way.

does anyone know the mesurements of space in the stand there?

If we need a sump I'll donate my standard 55 that I baffled as a sump. And the cabinet I took from work that would hold a 75 and my sump it's what I was using before, not fancy but it works. I'll post pics if there's interest.

[mtc1966]

Nice job Chris. you guys are of to a great start.

[Chriskid]

If we need a sump I'll donate my standard 55 that I baffled as a sump. And the cabinet I took from work that would hold a 75 and my sump it's what I was using before, not fancy but it works. I'll post pics if there's interest.

i wuz thinking of a small 20gal long with plexy, however we need stand dimentions, so mabey that would work. need enough room for a good skimmer . thats going to be the tricky part under the tank. but iff the 55 fits and the first chamber can fit a large in sump skimmer then we will be in good shape:)


so ya send a pic:)

[Chriskid]

another part needed would be a small kalk sturer. like 2 little fishys or somthing, then we can get away with no doesing and still keep sps

a 4inch smart fan or two will also be needed, if everyone likes my plan i will make a parts list.

[Rwinfrey]

If you guys need it I will give a glass holes overflow go for the sump with an ato

[Rwinfrey]

If its just lps ang soft corals water changes should handle every thing but an auto doser would make it sweeter

[Chriskid]

If its just lps ang soft corals water changes should handle every thing but an auto doser would make it sweeter

the rig i drew will alow for monthly change,and soft to sps:) this plan will alow for haveing a nice reef with little to no maintenance

[Chriskid]

If you guys need it I will give a glass holes overflow go for the sump with an ato

got a pic, ?

[Chriskid]

Mabey the vice prez can start a list of what the club would like to see for animals and corals, so that everyone who can donate will have a chance to see there kindness grow, if wee find out what will live here it will be easyer to scape. my plan will suport all kinds of animals nicely. and like i said , with approval i will make a needed list so we can post what to find next:)

what do you think ClemQuat?

[frankyrivera]

I'm digging the list that way people can choose. I'll bring item 12 or I'll donate towards item 8 and so forth

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

Definitely a good idea to have a list. It just makes life so much easier when you know exactly what is needed. Plus there is enough of us here to get all the needed items pretty quickly I would imagine. I'm already pretty pumped about this project, lol

[Rwinfrey]

I don't but it's the 700glph unit

[ClemQuat]

Ok, lets start here and what would everyone like to see for coral and livestock?

Ill keep an eye on it and make a list for chris

[ClemQuat]

I've been following along through this thread and I've noticed two paths. One is to upgrade the tank with new equipment and stock it with new corals and fish. Another is to get a steady stream of volunteers to do water changes regularly and keep up maintenance on the tank.

There is an abundant amount of people ready to donate things for the tank and I think that speaks volumes for the members of this club and their generosity. There are a few people who are ready to do the next couple months of water changes. I commend them on their donation of time, gas, and effort.

I think we would all agree that continuous maintenance is what makes our tanks look great. It's easy when the tank is right in our living room, down the stairs in the basement, or sitting on our dresser in our bedroom. It's right there, every day, and it's easy to see any changes and problems. I'm sure all of us spend hours each week staring at our tanks for one reason or another. We also spend a lot of time making sure we have water to top off, topping off the tank manually, monitoring salinity, and monitoring the chemistry. (For those with automatic systems, I'm quite jealous).

How do we keep up the maintenance on the Lutz tank in the long term (6 months to a year from now)? How do we make sure that all the equipment we're proposing (and even what's on there now) is working properly? Will there be someone checking on chemistry levels regularly when we’re making changes to make sure everything is in sync?

When you go on vacation, you have a plan, right? (I hope I'm not the only detailed planner). You know you're going to be away from your tank for a while and want to make sure everything goes smoothly. You have a neighbor with explicit, detailed instructions or have a knowledgeable fish buddy to watch over your hard work while you're gone. (We found out that all of this does not prepare you for 6 days without power LOL).

None of us are at the Lutz day in and day out. We're there once a month. I would suggest having a Lutz employee or two learn about saltwater and the key points they need to monitor. They may take the lead, learn on their own, and become an extension of the club members. Heck, maybe they’ll even want to join the club! This, to me, would be ideal. I also think we need to have a list of volunteers, maybe with a back up, for the next six months.

So here's to taking a giant leap forward in making the Lutz tank a fish tank we treat as one of our own. I'm confident in the members of this club that they will step forward and make this tank something to boast about. Six months from now we should be able to show new members that we're a great club because we have awesome members, tons of knowledge and experience, and the dedication to work together to make a community tank look like it belongs in an aquarium.

Jenn

P.S. Sorry for the novel. :p

[Chriskid]

if its set up properly for the livestock that lives in it, then sometimes less is more. i know my system looks better when i leave it alone...lol i love the idea of a luz staff jumps on board, but i think you will also be suprized in how low maintenance a tight reef can be:) i truly belive this will be a good learning experience for some aswell as a good time.:)

[suicideissleep]

I backed off on a lot to see we're my tank is going and I got to say less my hands integer the better my tank has started to look I finally have the right mix of cleaners I haven't cleaned the glass in over a month but every tank is different I think I have a very simple setup for right now

[Chriskid]

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads
6, float valve
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor

im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized:)

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I will have a couple of Aqueons 950 gph powerheads by early next week and I know that I have at least 1 ball valve at my house that I never used. I'm not sure what size ball valve you need but the one I have is a pretty big one, I will check on thethe size when I get home

[Chriskid]

I will have a couple of Aqueons 950 gph powerheads by early next week and I know that I have at least 1 ball valve at my house that I never used. I'm not sure what size ball valve you need but the one I have is a pretty big one, I will check on thethe size when I get home

cool i think the valves will have to be for rubber tubing,most likely 1inch.not enough room for pvc,imo

i also think we need to get everything before we do this, and mabey find a temp home for whatever is in there now.
then we can have a small party,and drain and build this, need prez approval for that first i belive:)

[Chriskid]

update

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads (2xBubbaBoBobBrain)
6, float valve
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor

im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized

[Rwinfrey]

Ok aqua fx will be donating a tune up kit for the ro unit they are also including an inline TDS.

[Chriskid]

Ok aqua fx will be donating a tune up kit for the ro unit they are also including an inline TDS.

sweet :) so is that it for the ro? thats all it needs? did you also say it had a ATO?

[Rwinfrey]

Not that I know of they just donated a barracuda unit I don't know about an ato. Let me know though.

[Chriskid]

update

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads (2xBubbaBoBobBrain)
6, float valve (emessier)
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor
14, rodi (Rwinfrey,aqua fix)
im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized

[Chriskid]

update

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads (2xBubbaBoBobBrain)
6, float valve (emessier)
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor
14, rodi (Rwinfrey,aqua fix)
im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized

[Rwinfrey]

Does it have to be a hang on skimmer? Just checking

[Chriskid]

Does it have to be a hang on skimmer? Just checking

no, just need the skimmer and sump size to work together.... so not really,still dont know the luz dimentions of useable stand space. so what do you have in mind?

[Rwinfrey]

Well I know I could get wholesale on a cs1 or cs2 but let me look around now that I know it's just a space issue.

[Chriskid]

Well I know I could get wholesale on a cs1 or cs2 but let me look around now that I know it's just a space issue.

that and one thats not going to need 24hour babysitting. also an oversize one,performance wiz, if you know what i meen:)

[Rwinfrey]

Bump

[Chriskid]

update

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads (2xBubbaBoBobBrain)
6, float valve (emessier)
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float (x1valve BubbaBoBobBrain)
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor
14, rodi (Rwinfrey,aqua fix)
im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

I will buy the second ball valve on my way home. So those can be checked off the list also.

[Chriskid]

I will buy the second ball valve on my way home. So those can be checked off the list also.

cool man :)

[Chriskid]

update

ok i think the parts list will be sorta as folows

1, good hang on skimmer,or in sump(depends on sump)
2,sump(i think homeade 2ogal with baffles) or somthing that will take up minimal room under the tank
3,drive pump(somthing with enough power to go to the tank and 2 small reactors)
4, x2 150watt heaters(or close to it)
5, power heads (2xBubbaBoBobBrain)
6, float valve (emessier)
7,top off container(5gal bucket ir somthing that we have room for)(emessier if there is room for a 5gal bucket)
8,4inch fans(to cool the lights)
9,small amount of live rock(dead probly better) for scapeing
10, two ball valves,and plastic tubeing for drive and such, also 1/4inch tubeing for float (x2valve BubbaBoBobBrain)
11,two 1 1/4 bulkeds for drilled holes in glass
12, kalk reactor(small to fit)(or sturer)
13,if softys are in this,small carbon reactor
14, rodi (Rwinfrey,aqua fix)
im sure there is more just throwing it out there so we can get organized


any one else?

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

What kind of tubing do we need? PVC, sump flex hose, or regular aquarium tubing

[FroMan]

I'm weighing in a little late on this. I don't want to crush any of the good energy here, but I do think taking a step back would be a good thing.

Before the club goes out and overhauls the tank at the Lutz an understanding of what the Lutz is looking for and wants needs to be understood. They are our "customer" per se and giving them something that is not inline with what they would like could backfire on the club.

Electricity is probably a big line item in their budget after salaries and taxes. Going in an putting a couple of metal halides that draw $200 per month of electricity may not be the best thing for them.

Please consider this proposal:

1. Establish a subcommittee comprised of CTARS members chartered with the overhaul of the tank. The committee should include 3-5 club members, a member of the Lutz, and the Prez and VP as required by the by laws.

2. Obtain input from the Lutz as to what they would like to see from a live stock, coral, and equipment status. Additionally, understanding how electricity costs factor into and impact their budget.

3. Develop a plan in line as to what the Lutz is looking for.

4. Obtain by off from the Lutz committee member and leadership committee as to the changes CTARS is proposing for the tank.

5. Execute the plan:
First, look to several LFS to sponsor the tank through donations or selling items like salt at cost.
Then go to to major manufacturers and online retailers i.e. Deltec, Tunze, Echotech marine, Marine Depot, Fosters and Smith etc. for donations or sale of items at reduced costs.


These are my thoughts. Feel free to pick it apart and to add feed back.

Mario

[SueAndHerZoo]

I'm weighing in a little late on this. I don't want to crush any of the good energy here, but I do think taking a step back would be a good thing.

Before the club goes out and overhauls the tank at the Lutz an understanding of what the Lutz is looking for and wants needs to be understood. They are our "customer" per se and giving them something that is not inline with what they would like could backfire on the club.

Electricity is probably a big line item in their budget after salaries and taxes. Going in an putting a couple of metal halides that draw $200 per month of electricity may not be the best thing for them.

Please consider this proposal:

1. Establish a subcommittee comprised of CTARS members chartered with the overhaul of the tank. The committee should include 3-5 club members, a member of the Lutz, and the Prez and VP as required by the by laws.

2. Obtain input from the Lutz as to what they would like to see from a live stock, coral, and equipment status. Additionally, understanding how electricity costs factor into and impact their budget.

3. Develop a plan in line as to what the Lutz is looking for.

4. Obtain by off from the Lutz committee member and leadership committee as to the changes CTARS is proposing for the tank.

5. Execute the plan:
First, look to several LFS to sponsor the tank through donations or selling items like salt at cost.
Then go to to major manufacturers and online retailers i.e. Deltec, Tunze, Echotech marine, Marine Depot, Fosters and Smith etc. for donations or sale of items at reduced costs.


These are my thoughts. Feel free to pick it apart and to add feed back.

Mario

Outstanding plan - I couldn't agree more. Lots of people are putting forth all kinds of positive energy and good intentions but a "step back" is definitely not a bad thing. Well said. (is there an applause icon here?)
Sue

[Rwinfrey]

That is why this needs a tank manager a direct contact for the lutz to work with . I have already spoken tunze sorry if I overstepped. I did let Eric know what there response was and am waiting on his input. Let's not scare the museum off worth an overstatement of electric cost pretty much each constant 100 watts is ten dollars a month.per cl&p

[mtc1966]

very well put Froman i think in all the hype those things may of been overlooked.

[FroMan]

That is why this needs a tank manager a direct contact for the lutz to work with . I have already spoken tunze sorry if I overstepped. I did let Eric know what there response was and am waiting on his input. Let's not scare the museum off worth an overstatement of electric cost pretty much each constant 100 watts is ten dollars a month.per cl&p

This is true for residential customers. Generally commercial rates are higher than what residential customers pay.

[frankyrivera]

As a business/organization they can write it off

[Chriskid]

ya know thats why i hate politics.

but your right i just want to get somthing done that should have been done years ago.
and 2 250watt halides dont cost anywere NEAR 200 a month...lol i have 5,and two 290watt pummps 3 heaters.....and mine cost 125 a month but i have a large system. why dont someone contact me when and if it is approved,and or wanted. sorry for attemting to get the ball roleing here, i ony want to see a thriveing tank that can be appreciated. and once again i do agree. (not that i like it......lol)

[Rwinfrey]

Yep me to I won't make anymore calls unless asked by the club

[Chriskid]

Yep me to I won't make anymore calls unless asked by the club

tks man we were on a role:)

[FroMan]

That is why this needs a tank manager a direct contact for the lutz to work with . I have already spoken tunze sorry if I overstepped. I did let Eric know what there response was and am waiting on his input. Let's not scare the museum off worth an overstatement of electric cost pretty much each constant 100 watts is ten dollars a month.per cl&p

Bob - I don't think you overstepped your bounds on this one. The model you used to put a tank into the school your kids attend is a good one. The club should defiantly take a look at what you've done and try to incorporate some of those ideas into this system.

As a business/organization they can write it off

I'm not sure if they can or cannot write off their utility costs. Even if they can, they still have to pay the bill monthly. A marked increase in electrical usage will still affect their monthly cash flow.


ya know that's why i hate politics.

but your right i just want to get something done that should have been done years ago.
and 2 250watt halides don't cost anywhere NEAR 200 a month...lol i have 5,and two 290watt pumps 3 heaters.....and mine cost 125 a month but i have a large system. why don't someone contact me when and if it is approved,and or wanted. sorry for attempting to get the ball rolling here, i only want to see a thriving tank that can be appreciated. and once again i do agree. (not that i like it......lol)


Political?! This is a fish club! It isn't political! :D Wait a minute. Who am I kidding?! It's more political than anyone really wants to know. :headwally:

Like I said I'm not trying to squash any of the good energy here. I think there has been lots of good thought put into what the Lutz tank could use for an upgrade. I want to make sure that the club has a complete and thorough plan before moving forward. I'm not trying to be political here, just trying to make sure that we do things right the first time!

One of the main goals of this project should be to make the tank as self sustainable as possible, so neither the staff at the Lutz or club members really have to spend that much time maintaining the tank. We are all busy with our own families, tanks, work, school, etc. The last thing we want is to have to check in on another tank that requires maintenance time each week or month!

Also, effort should also be spent on making the system as mistake proof as possible. The last thing anyone really wants is to flood the Lutz! :facepalm:

One other item that should be considered as part of the planning phase is a site survey. Who knows how much stuff is plugged into the same circuit as the tank or if there is even a GFI outlet! Wire management is also very important. The last thing we'd need is for a curious kid to get fried! :hmm5:

[Chriskid]

Bob - I don't think you overstepped your bounds on this one. The model you used to put a tank into the school your kids attend is a good one. The club should defiantly take a look at what you've done and try to incorporate some of those ideas into this system.



I'm not sure if they can or cannot write off their utility costs. Even if they can, they still have to pay the bill monthly. A marked increase in electrical usage will still affect their monthly cash flow.




Political?! This is a fish club! It isn't political! :D Wait a minute. Who am I kidding?! It's more political than anyone really wants to know. :headwally:

Like I said I'm not trying to squash any of the good energy here. I think there has been lots of good thought put into what the Lutz tank could use for an upgrade. I want to make sure that the club has a complete and thorough plan before moving forward. I'm not trying to be political here, just trying to make sure that we do things right the first time!

One of the main goals of this project should be to make the tank as self sustainable as possible, so neither the staff at the Lutz or club members really have to spend that much time maintaining the tank. We are all busy with our own families, tanks, work, school, etc. The last thing we want is to have to check in on another tank that requires maintenance time each week or month!

Also, effort should also be spent on making the system as mistake proof as possible. The last thing anyone really wants is to flood the Lutz! :facepalm:

One other item that should be considered as part of the planning phase is a site survey. Who knows how much stuff is plugged into the same circuit as the tank or if there is even a GFI outlet! Wire management is also very important. The last thing we'd need is for a curious kid to get fried! :hmm5:

i said i thought you were kinda right, you saw that right? i also think you might be over thinking this tank as more of a problem then it would be. your makeing this sound like mistic aqurium. a 75reef with simple sump and decent lights. sometimes to many poeples thoughts can ruin a few good ones. im not ,or wuznt trying to set up an aggravation.mabey some dont know me,and dont know my experionce but its a shame.

[mtc1966]

I dont think there are any bad intentions by anyone here. just differing opinions i would hate to see any bad blood created between folks on the forum as a result of this.
there seems to be a small group involved in the upgrade and they are working with ctars officers . just a suggestion maybe keep the emails going between each other off forum that way things dont get side tracked which seems to happen every couple of days . this might be best for the members involved and lutz.

please do not take this the wrong way i am not a current member or a lutz staffer nor have i volunteered i just dont want to see things go south . lots of good friendly folks here. i just wont to see it stay that way. okay thats my 2 cents now i will do my part and keep my mouth shut

[hans1976]

Chiming in a bit late myself...The Lutz can not right off the electricity, they are a non-profit so there is nothing to write off, it simply comes out of their pocket.

I took care of the tank for about 3 years. Eric would do one water change, I would do one, Mike would do one, I would do one, etc. From experience, I can tell you it starts off with the best intensions. The Lutz takes care of topping it off and feeding it. When something goes wrong, they don't know what to do. Most of the people taking care of the tank are young kids. Some will feed a pinch of food, others will dump a whole bunch. Little kids looking at the tank will poke at the tank and get their finger prints all over it. Others will open the top and drop something in or open up the bottom of the cabinet.

My advice, keep it simple. If you can get some T5 lights, great. Develop a plan where it will be maintained. Then you can think about adding livestock. Putting in a ATO and sump sound great, but it is more things that can go wrong and will go wrong, especially when you have little kids around that love to explore.

With all that said, I can't give a lot of time, but I can come in and clean it 2 or 3 times a year.

[Trump]

We should incorporate a magnetic lock for the stand. I have them and the ability to install them. The door CAN NOT be opened if one of these is on and not having the magnet. (read visitors won't be able to open it) The "key" can be kept there or the tank manger could have one as well. Any fairly strong magnet will work on them.

[erbgo]

We should incorporate a magnetic lock for the stand. I have them and the ability to install them. The door CAN NOT be opened if one of these is on and not having the magnet. (read visitors won't be able to open it) The "key" can be kept there or the tank manger could have one as well. Any fairly strong magnet will work on them.

that would be great thank you

[Munchie1976]

We should incorporate a magnetic lock for the stand. I have them and the ability to install them. The door CAN NOT be opened if one of these is on and not having the magnet. (read visitors won't be able to open it) The "key" can be kept there or the tank manger could have one as well. Any fairly strong magnet will work on them.

Great idea! Chriskid thinks that we could also use plexiglass instead of what is currently in place on the bottom of the cabinet to show the children how the tank runs if we ever do place a sump underneath. I thought this was such a wonderful idea and thought I would share as he is too tired to...would these locks work on any type of material?

[Trump]

The lock has to really be on a door of at least 3/4 thickness. BUT would be very easy to put in a plexi window on the door itself.

[Trump]

Does anyone have a Pic of the tank in its current state?

[Rwinfrey]

Total plastics in rhode island they sell true 1/4 , 1/2 , and 3/4 sheets I think I paid 120.00 bucks my last 1/4 inch sheet. You have to buy the full sheet though. Oh and they are 4x8 sheets

[BubbaBoBobBrain]

You can also get custom cut acrylic at some Lowes and Home Depots. If someone can get measurements of the doors and what thickness the acrylic should be I will price them out

[Rwinfrey]

Yes but the price will be much higher and there are plenty of people to cut it to size I can or maybee madtanks

[Trump]

I can cut it without a problem but a 1/4 piece for a "window" on the door would be cheaper I imagine. Depending on the size of the door I may have a sheet already.

[Chriskid]

just thought id share todays rock build at lutz

without this little guy christopher, nothing would have got done:)

[Chriskid]

pics

[frankyrivera]

That's gotta be the sweetest Rock scape I've seen great job can't wait to see that in the tank

[Chriskid]

That's gotta be the sweetest Rock scape I've seen great job can't wait to see that in the tank

your gunna in 30sec:)

[Chriskid]

pics again

[frankyrivera]

Lol drumroll please brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

[frankyrivera]

Forget the pics?

[Chriskid]

more

[Chriskid]

Forget the pics?

man your right on me man....lol:lol2:

[Chriskid]

and a big thanks to all that gave us a hand.( sandi, bobbabobBrain, suicidesleep , and little Christopher:) )

[frankyrivera]

You guys all did a great job that scape is insane. Keep up the great work. Can't wait till July meeting to see it in person

[Chriskid]

seagull18, is that your light? sick thats what it needs

[suicideissleep]

Lmao u really did it good times today looks awesome great start keep the ball rollin

[Chriskid]

I can cut it without a problem but a 1/4 piece for a "window" on the door would be cheaper I imagine. Depending on the size of the door I may have a sheet already.

door is 19 7/8ths square, i might build a top, so might need 3 locks if possible

[erbgo]

That Rock work Rocks Thanks to all that helped

[erbgo]

The Light is a great addition to the tank it was donated by seagull18 it is like brand new the bulbs I think he said were still newer Thank you Neil for the light.

[erbgo]

if any one can stop and clean the sponge/filter I cleaned it again today but with the water stirred up it should be cleaned again to do all you have to do is pickup the basket take to the sink and rinse with cold water and squeeze it till it comes clean

[Chriskid]

if any one can stop and clean the sponge/filter I cleaned it again today but with the water stirred up it should be cleaned again to do all you have to do is pickup the basket take to the sink and rinse with cold water and squeeze it till it comes clean

filter was good when i walked out the door.. skimmer also has a piece of plastc missing on cone(not running to potental), and r you going to respond to my PM?

[Trump]

I may stop in tomorrow to look at the door. When you say a top are you referring to the top of the tank. if so the locks wont work up there. Unless we build a "frame for the top to sit in but that would also get in the way of the lights. A screen maybe sufficient for a top. Just to keep penny s and such out with heavy duty velcro?

[seagull18]

I may stop in tomorrow to look at the door. When you say a top are you referring to the top of the tank. if so the locks wont work up there. Unless we build a "frame for the top to sit in but that would also get in the way of the lights. A screen maybe sufficient for a top. Just to keep penny s and such out with heavy duty velcro?

I spoke with Erbgo and he indicated that the lights could be hung. I do have a hanging kit for those lights. I will get it to Eric in the next few days.

By the way, from what I can see, the scape work looks great.

[Chriskid]

I may stop in tomorrow to look at the door. When you say a top are you referring to the top of the tank. if so the locks wont work up there. Unless we build a "frame for the top to sit in but that would also get in the way of the lights. A screen maybe sufficient for a top. Just to keep penny s and such out with heavy duty velcro?

ive built a number of coustom canopys. thats what i mean.with 2 doors on it and a 4 inch fan(12volt) built in

[suicideissleep]

Skimmer and canopy is priority with the glass tops and the mh the fish will cook so we need air to be aloud to pass over the water. The skimmer is working we adjusted the cup so it will skimm more dry was set to low but the main concern about the skimmer is the skimmer cup is missing the square peice on the bottom to seal the hole in the injection chamber so it's only skimming a little. Besides that tank is moving on up

[Chriskid]

i think im going to back out now,due to dramma , but i will stay tuned. the tank looks sweet,and i hope all goes well:)

unless you need anything let me know:)

[swannyson7]

The aquascape looks great guys!

[Chriskid]

The aquascape looks great guys!

thanks swann the guys and girls(and baby)worked hard on it:)

[Reefir]

Nice job boys and girls ...and baby CHRIS...nice to see you took the bull by the horns ... Nice light too!!!

[suicideissleep]

Anyone check on the lutz lately

[Chriskid]

Anyone check on the lutz lately

im wondering if there is a next step? anybody?......

[suicideissleep]

dumm dummm dummmmmmmm well i guess i will jump on it lol

[carlos413]

If we still need powerheads I have two koralia 750 Gph powerheads that I am not using atm. Whats the deal with the skimmer? Is it the collection cup that needs replacing? Will we be able to add frags soon now that the rock work is in?

[suicideissleep]

the skimmer could use a new cup and a new pump and it would be perfect. also we need a canopy would be awsome. besides that we could prolly add somehting small if the tank is being cleaned

[carlos413]

the skimmer could use a new cup and a new pump and it would be perfect. also we need a canopy would be awsome. besides that we could prolly add somehting small if the tank is being cleaned

What kind of skimmer is it? Looks like an aqua c remmora. Let me know on the frags what I have are easy to care for candy cane, frogspawn & some lavender color harry mushrooms.

[Chriskid]

the skimmer could use a new cup and a new pump and it would be perfect. also we need a canopy would be awsome. besides that we could prolly add somehting small if the tank is being cleaned

im on canopy, i nead to do a few things first......

[Chriskid]

If we still need powerheads I have two koralia 750 Gph powerheads that I am not using atm. Whats the deal with the skimmer? Is it the collection cup that needs replacing? Will we be able to add frags soon now that the rock work is in?

not in my opinion ready for frags, but not my show.lol

[Rwinfrey]

just out of curiosity how much space is availible for the skimmer and is the depth a constant in that area of the sump. Oh wait i cant remember does this even have a sump Chriskid help me out .

[Chriskid]

call me 860 949 5269

[Chriskid]

just out of curiosity how much space is availible for the skimmer and is the depth a constant in that area of the sump. Oh wait i cant remember does this even have a sump Chriskid help me out .

just call me.i dont think im really a part of this.
my hands r tied for the moment.

[suicideissleep]

i dont think anyone is lol but there is no sump and we need a open back canopy for the skimmer if we keep this tank without a sump. im just trying to keep the ball rolling

[Chriskid]

i dont think anyone is lol but there is no sump and we need a open back canopy for the skimmer if we keep this tank without a sump. im just trying to keep the ball rolling

i told you i will build one, just need to iron some things out first.
and i wuz informed Eric is in charge of the tank.

[suicideissleep]

lol we just need better communication we are all in good intentions for the tank its for the kids not for use we got to keep reminding our selfs or something lol

[Chriskid]

lol we just need better communication we are all in good intentions for the tank its for the kids not for use we got to keep reminding our selfs or something lol

there is non to get better.i hope for the best

[Rwinfrey]

That's not necessary I am just curious. I won't be doing anything unless Eric asks me. Like I said my plate is pretty full with the three different tanks in different locations I have now. I did just start helping my buddy with his freshwater in his office so make that 4. As my wife rolls her eyes

[Chriskid]

That's not necessary I am just curious. I won't be doing anything unless Eric asks me. Like I said my plate is pretty full with the three different tanks in different locations I have now. I did just start helping my buddy with his freshwater in his office so make that 4. As my wife rolls her eyes

lol thanks anyway....thats cool:)

[charleneatkins]

:reading:

[Chriskid]

:reading:

is there research in progress....lol

[charleneatkins]

is there research in progress....lol

no, just reading. As far as I know, nothing, nothing, nothing on anything:sad1:

[erbgo]

Ok here is the scoop The lutz tank is where it is and will not have any more upgrades until Sarah Gets back to us about the Power she is worried that we are going to overload and start pooping the circuit, all three tanks are run on a single circuit. So Sarah is going to ask Her Boss to ask the Town because it is a town owned building to add circuits and plugs. until then we will wait. I was told that we could do a canopy and not take extra power as it wont but It can wait till we see about the power if we get enough power and want to change the stand to put a bigger sump then the top might have to be changed/moved/modified so we have all the time in the world and no reason to rush on this. Thanks for all the understanding and please email me to be added to the water change /filter clean list.

[Munchie1976]

:rolleyes:

[mtc1966]

thanks Eric just like our own tanks the process is slow.

[Munchie1976]

This post has been removed. Totally inappropriate~dc

[swannyson7]

For a timer I have either a coralife surge protecor with the digital timer or I have a manual timer I'd be willing to donate. LMK if I should bring it up to the next meeting.

[suicideissleep]

The light has a built in timer so only need one for the fan if need be

[dc]

Since this thread is locked, it will not be ok to start another one. As far as RC is concerned it's done.