Chinese Version of the MP40/Tunze Nanostream

[ChadRaay86]

Here's something I came across on one of the main forums. I know I'm happy with my Chinese lights for the time being, 80 bucks for a controllable wavemaker isn't that bad "if" it works for a long time...

Here's the original post and a link to the thread:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2259644

seems like Tunze and Vortech performance , any one have any review ?

http://www.fish-street.com/jebo_wp-40_13000l_wave_maker

Editor Review : Testing with Jebo WP-40, silent than the Vortech MP40, and the flow stream is simliar. And the Magnet Mount can 360Degree rotation, better fixed bracket with the Vortech MP-40. Night sensor is a GIFT, will affect by high output HQI. Compare with the price is 1st choice for budget use

Feature

Easy installation and maintenace, fixed with magnetic suction
6 Different Mode. Max 13000L / 4300L / 6500L / 3 type of Reef Stream Mode(Similar Vortech function) Feed Mode / Night Mode Include
Direction of wave can be arbitrary rotation 360
High performance, powerful water flow and low energy consumption
Adopt warproof ceramic shaft can be used in long time
Intelligent control system, can covert various wave patterns
Low voltage operation, safe and reliable 24V 12W to 40W Power
Suitable for Fresh and Marine water use
Mode

H: Maximum flow fixed-made stream mode (13000L)

L: 1/3 of the maximum flow fixed flow made ​​to flow mode (4300L)

W1: classic mode of making waves (Wavebox Function)

Different type of the tank need to apply different type of the setting:
Adustable the controller on the wavelength is sameas the Tank Size(Long), when the Wave same as the Tank Length is suitable. Revise the clockware button as you need to reduce the wave. When change the setting require at least 10mins to verify if you change the controller button. Watch and try to adjust the best wavelength on your tank

W2,W3(Reef Stream Mode with Adjsutable): ordinary fixed program made ​​stream made ​​wave mode;
This two modes by means of the knob to change the the fixed program's effect, need to be adjusted according to the creatures in the water

W3(Reef Stream Mode): Indefinite program cause stream made ​​wave mode;
According to the aquatic adjustment knob to change indefinite program effects;

Feeding Mode : Press the "FEED" button once, "10min" (blue lights) stop the wavemaker after 10 minutes made ​​waves pump start again. Or direct press the Feed button to back to Normal

Lock knob parameters function: long press the "FEED" key until the "LOCK" red indicator light already locked knob parameter adjustment knob does not change the wave shape. The purpose is to prevent wave after a good tune(Save setting), inadvertently knob again to change the wave-shaped. To unlock to tune waves, long press the "FEED" key until the red indicator light is off you can;

Night Mode (Add one function): It's have a sensor on the controller. When you connection to the night sensor on the controller, it will Add on night mode function

When it dark detect with sensor, it will slow down all the stream on the controller mode function, with a half of the power operation.

The Night Mode add in new function not include on the warranty if the sensor damage(it will affect or damage with the high output of the HQI/ LED system.)
Power 110V to 240V 50/60Hz
Watt: 12W to 40W on different mode (Max 13000L)
Size : 9.4cm x 12cm
EU / UK / AU / US Pin Provides
Power Cable 160cm Long(Extenable), Pump to controller cable for 190cm Long
Jebo WP-40 Compare with Vortech MP-40 Pump

[CRASHJT]

I thought there was another thread on these somewhere.... I would also like to know how they are.

[CRASHJT]

Found it....

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2259644&highlight=jebo+wp-40

[oldsaint]

I would seriously concerned with anything coming out of China. The same six year old making 10 cents an hour that made the LEDs in the link could have made them.
http://************.com/2013/01/30/cheap-chinese-led-causes-fire/

[Nwest]

thats funny they say its more silent than the mp40. Of course it is the pump is in the water so of course its more silent.

Idk my thing is if you have an issue what are the odds of getting it fixed or being dealt with?

[CrazyEyes]

I just saw this on another site. I hope they come out with a smaller one soon. I'm definitely going to give it a shot.

[rogergolf66]

I have a pump that I bought from china the damn thing is like a heater makes the water so warm. I don't have this one but maybe its better

[bhuddafunk]

I don't feel compelled a damn bit to purchase anything that I know comes from China for my tank. I'm going to stick with American and German engineering on this one. I don't need to save a buck that bad. Good luck and don't forget your lead test kit.

[rogergolf66]

don't forget your lead test kit.

Lol

[ChadRaay86]

I don't feel compelled a damn bit to purchase anything that I know comes from China for my tank. I'm going to stick with American and German engineering on this one. I don't need to save a buck that bad. Good luck and don't forget your lead test kit.

Haha, just an option for the guys that don't have thousands of dollars laying around for powerheads. I'm going to stick with my koralias for now and may upgrade in the future. Might have to take out a second mortgage on the house though ;)

[aguila88psi]

Lol @ lead test kit

After numerous encounters with going cheap or top of the line I've found that the cheap stuff works but longevity and quality is lost and multiple replacements will inevitably be purchased, if your in a pinch and in need of mega flow then this is a good option however you get what you pay for, there's no replacement for name brand and history

[luisagos]

I am always amazed in the fact that people spends thousands in livestock but go cheap on hardware.
There is a reason why certain things are price the way they are.

Who do you want the research and development be done, by the manufacture that will spend thousands of dollars for a long term product.

Or by you with a company that may not or doesn't want to be around in the long term.


My 2 cent.

[Markdiego]

Well... I actually have a jebo pump. Its not the one mentioned but im happy with it. Although I only use it for water changes. No lead as of yet.

[mlivvy]

I watched this movie when I was kid.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095384/ and I learned to never buy knockoffs.

[Budda]

I agree with bhuddafunk. Stop being cheap!

[lkc]

Not that I'm interested in purchasing one of these, I think it's great that someone is giving Vortech a run for their money........

[luisagos]

Not that I'm interested in purchasing one of these, I think it's great that someone is giving Vortech a run for their money........


These wave makers are not even close, there is still a cord inside the tank with a motor.

I am all in for good deals, but people confuses good deals with cheap.
Not the same thing.

[Budda]

Good deals and buying China crap is whats bringing this country to it's knees. I hope I'm not CONFUSES on this one. HAHA

[CrazyEyes]

Good deals and buying China crap is whats bringing this country to it's knees. I hope I'm not CONFUSES on this one. HAHA

That pretty much what sums it up and well, crooked *** politicians and their hidden agendas and people just following blindly.

[ChadRaay86]

Wow, this conversation just took a decidedly philosophical turn :D

[CrazyEyes]

You're right Chad. I do agree that you get what you pay for. It might be a decent power that would perform just as you wish it would. It might be a little bold to say it will compete with a Vortech however.

[fishgate]

Ha! And I got dunned when I suggested cheap Chinese knockoffs would be welcome in the market! I predict within a year the Vortechs will drop in half.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2257763

[ChadRaay86]

Ha! And I got dunned when I suggested cheap Chinese knockoffs would be welcome in the market! I predict within a year the Vortechs will drop in half.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2257763

Haha, the vortechs may always be "better", but they better watch out with China cloning their products and selling them for a fifth of the price lol. That being said, I'd buy a couple of MP60s right now, wallet willing :D

[oldsaint]

My next aquarium will be 100% from China. They have a maintenance free aquarium. It comes complete with fish.

http://www.machsources.com/suppliers/ninghaishengfa/products/6134.html

Bulk buy, anyone??

[bigt0706]

My next aquarium will be 100% from China. They have a maintenance free aquarium. It comes complete with fish.

http://www.machsources.com/suppliers/ninghaishengfa/products/6134.html

Bulk buy, anyone??

Lol

[bhazard451]

Wow, lots of ignorance here.

I actually own both these chinese pumps, and MP40s. They easily push as much water as the MP40s, and create a bigger wave with just one pump. It's a Tunze knockoff, and its a solid clone.

For those of you that actually believe there isn't an over 100% markup premium on the Ecotech pumps just because of the name, I have 2 MP40's for sale in the used section.

The outside pump magnet patent which they've used to prevent any other companies from having a pump outside the tank has stifled innovation in the industry for long enough. Glad that pumps like this are around to show just how much they really are worth to put together.

[listen2bob]

Wow, lots of ignorance here.

I actually own both these chinese pumps, and MP40s. They easily push as much water as the MP40s, and create a bigger wave with just one pump. It's a Tunze knockoff, and its a solid clone.

For those of you that actually believe there isn't an over 100% markup premium on the Ecotech pumps just because of the name, I have 2 MP40's for sale in the used section.

The outside pump magnet patent which they've used to prevent any other companies from having a pump outside the tank has stifled innovation in the industry for long enough. Glad that pumps like this are around to show just how much they really are worth to put together.


Just drink the koolaid and stop asking questions haha.

[Joserodz]

I got mine today...

[anbosu]

Nice....what do you think?

[Joserodz]

Nice....what do you think?
so far. I would not compare them to a mp40.they are a total different.Its more like tunze 6105.

For the price, you really can't complain!

[aguila88psi]

Can different flow rates be chosen? In other words can something in between 13000lpm and 6500lpm be used?

[anbosu]

Can different flow rates be chosen? In other words can something in between 13000lpm and 6500lpm be used?

My understanding is you can buy a power adapter that allows you to run it at half speed.

[rogergolf66]

I'm curious to see what tank temp does in the summer. I ran a couple pumps sim to these knock offs and my temp went sky high.

[ChadRaay86]

I could afford an extra degree or three. Stupid LEDs lol

[CrazyEyes]

I wonder how many people in here saying don't buy anything from China are running Meanwell drivers. Would be very interested to see how these powerheads work out for them. I also don't know who started to compare them to Vortechs. They literally look nothing a vortech in any way shape or form.

[ChadRaay86]

I wonder how many people in here saying don't buy anything from China are running Meanwell drivers. Would be very interested to see how these powerheads work out for them. I also don't know who started to compare them to Vortechs. They literally look nothing a vortech in any way shape or form.

Haha, the company actually compares them to the MP40 on their website. They're basically copies of the Tunze 6105/6155. I'm interested to see how they work out for people. I run Hydor Koralias at the moment and they cost around 60 a piece and aren't exactly reliable. I might give one a shot if the reviews on here are good in the longterm...

[bhazard451]

Just drink the koolaid and stop asking questions haha.

Lol.

These pumps are great. W1 wave mode is much like short pulse, and "else" mode is just like reef crest on a vortech, yet with a tunze design. I have no idea what most of the other modes do, but its like a mix of a tunze and vortech.

We've been testing and modding it in the other thread. With a 24v PWM module off eBay for $10, its possible to connect to an Apex and run it like a Tunze pump. Its possible to use the Tunze safety connector to make a battery backup for it too.

Lots of value in these little things.

[ChadRaay86]

Lol.

These pumps are great. W1 wave mode is much like short pulse, and "else" mode is just like reef crest on a vortech, yet with a tunze design. I have no idea what most of the other modes do, but its like a mix of a tunze and vortech.

We've been testing and modding it in the other thread. With a 24v PWM module off eBay for $10, its possible to connect to an Apex and run it like a Tunze pump. Its possible to use the Tunze safety connector to make a battery backup for it too.

Lots of value in these little things.

Haha, plus I bet the manufacturer is upgrading it as suggestions are made. Just like the LEDs :D

[CrazyEyes]

I must have missed that part on the site, oops. Yeah man, I have koraliq evos too and you know, I wasn't expecting some top of the line powerhead for the price but, for god sakes, I am so sick of every time I turn the d@mn things off and then turn them back on having one reversing itself. And, both of mine still have the rubber bumper. I hate them. I will never recommend these to anyone, ever.

[ChadRaay86]

I must have missed that part on the site, oops. Yeah man, I have koraliq evos too and you know, I wasn't expecting some top of the line powerhead for the price but, for god sakes, I am so sick of every time I turn the d@mn things off and then turn them back on having one reversing itself. And, both of mine still have the rubber bumper. I hate them. I will never recommend these to anyone, ever.

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue. I have two on the back wall of my 300 and have to unplug and replug more times than I'd like to admit to get them all not reversing. If I don't have the 700 bucks a piece for the MP60s when these koralias go out, I would rather go with the Chinese ones versus these crap koralias lol.

[bhazard451]

I must have missed that part on the site, oops. Yeah man, I have koraliq evos too and you know, I wasn't expecting some top of the line powerhead for the price but, for god sakes, I am so sick of every time I turn the d@mn things off and then turn them back on having one reversing itself. And, both of mine still have the rubber bumper. I hate them. I will never recommend these to anyone, ever.

I ran Koralias for about two weeks before I got rid of them for the vortechs. I absolutely hated paying for the MP40s, but they were a huge improvement. When I got these and saw how they easily move as much water and can make waves too, for 1/4th the price, I packed the vortechs up and sold them. These are much quieter too, just like a tunze.

[CrazyEyes]

I'd hate to say it but, I'd honestly rather run MaxiJets over my Hydors, call me crazy that's fine. I'd jump all over one of these but, man, those things move some water and I'm not sure how it'd be in my 40B.

[ChadRaay86]

I'd hate to say it but, I'd honestly rather run MaxiJets over my Hydors, call me crazy that's fine. I'd jump all over one of these but, man, those things move some water and I'm not sure how it'd be in my 40B.

it'd empty the tank lol. They are making a smaller one apparently, which should be released soon...

[CrazyEyes]

Yeah I heard they were either making a 20 or 25. Will definitely wait for that.

[ChadRaay86]

hopefully they figure out how to link multiple pumps, so you can have two going in sequence.

[ChadRaay86]

I think I'm going to make the jump and buy a couple of these to supplement flow in my 300 temporarily. I'll experiment with them a bit and it could end up biting me in the butt, but these things have to be better than those koralias. I'm tired of trying to get my 1050s just right when I put a new frag in (which has been happening alot lately), hopefully these things push a lot of water in my 300 :D

[anbosu]

I'm sure they will push a lot of water - it will be interesting to see how long they last. I will probably get one at some point for my 156, I just haven't had time to really look into it too much yet.

[ChadRaay86]

I'm sure they will push a lot of water - it will be interesting to see how long they last. I will probably get one at some point for my 156, I just haven't had time to really look into it too much yet.

I ordered them specifically to push alot of water, so I hope they're as awesome as everyone says. I'm tired of moving around four powerheads and four locline nozzles lol. I'd like to use my return for targeting certain sps and less for overall water movement :D

[bhazard451]

I ordered them specifically to push alot of water, so I hope they're as awesome as everyone says. I'm tired of moving around four powerheads and four locline nozzles lol. I'd like to use my return for targeting certain sps and less for overall water movement :D

Its awesome how one of these can make a large wave in a 6ft 125. Its scary having two, because if I synched them with my apex and programmed them to 100% intensity, I could easily spill water over the sides. Oh yeah, they work with the apex now with some modding :)

[ChadRaay86]

Its awesome how one of these can make a large wave in a 6ft 125. Its scary having two, because if I synched them with my apex and programmed them to 100% intensity, I could easily spill water over the sides. Oh yeah, they work with the apex now with some modding :)

I saw that! I'm planning on getting an Apex in the near future, I just wanted to address my flow (or lack there of) in certain areas of the tank, as I just added a bunch of SPS. I have a 300, so hopefully its just the right amount of flow. If not, I'll use the variable power supply/apex mod. I'm getting super excited to see what these things can do! :D

[ashish]

I am always amazed in the fact that people spends thousands in livestock but go cheap on hardware.
There is a reason why certain things are price the way they are.

Who do you want the research and development be done, by the manufacture that will spend thousands of dollars for a long term product.

Or by you with a company that may not or doesn't want to be around in the long term.


My 2 cent.

I agree with you 100% (well maybe 90%), a lot of times these high end companies charge ridiculous amounts just for there name! I don't believe in cheaping out equipment that has a tendency to fail like a used tank, light, main pump, salt,etc. But I have had tunze pumps stop working within three months of being in my tank (completely burned out). Meanwhile cheap odyssea pumps lasting for 7 year, koralia 6 years and counting. What about a Deltec Phosphate reactor ($400-500); these will not neccessary work better than a diy pvc tube with a pump pushing water from the bottom up. I just feel new aquarist will end-up creating death tanks for the animals when seeing these prices and relying on pet-co garbage. It's the aquarist responsibility to make sure they save where they can and not save when the aquarium inhabitants life is on the line. A protein skimmer design is in it's shape; unless you plan on hitting the skimmer with a hammer its skimmer pump that's more important. I have a 2x 250w radiom HQI with Icecap ballast - From aquatraders (sure there ballast stink but i knew that going into it). I spend about $600 w/new ballast. I have newer mag 9 and mag 5 (12years old) as return (mag 5 is on a timer) so i get random burst of water every few minutes. Just my 2 cents:spin3:

[deftonead]

Well if they are any good buy them now before they make their American debut and the price goes through the roof.... I bought a bubble magnus NAC6 skimmer about 6 years ago before they sold them here and it cost me $90. Granted i had to wire the thing so it would fit into my electrical outlet but now they are $200 something... ridiculous.

[bhazard451]

Well if they are any good buy them now before they make their American debut and the price goes through the roof.... I bought a bubble magnus NAC6 skimmer about 6 years ago before they sold them here and it cost me $90. Granted i had to wire the thing so it would fit into my electrical outlet but now they are $200 something... ridiculous.

That was my exact line of thinking. They are getting overwhelmed with orders already. It won't be too long before the price goes up.

There were never any challengers to Tunze and Ecotech before, and I feel that most people like myself paid the premium because you had no choice. It was either those two or Koralias.. and there was a huge price and quality gap just waiting for a new player.

If these pumps catch on, it will definitely hurt tunze and ecotech sales, and they will be forced to innovate to justify the premium. Nothing wrong with that. It also opens up lots of used units being sold now :)

[ZeroBullChip]

Today's lesson in capitalism brought to you by China... :)

[jmifland]

Would this powerhead create too much flow in a 90 gallon aquarium? I plan to use this powerhead with the 90w power supply that has 7 different voltages. If it isn't too much flow with that being used would it be best to get 1 or 2 of these?

The only thing I have for flow at this time is a Mag 12 return from my sump. At this time nothing is set up and I know I need a powerhead but I want to make sure I get sufficient flow within this tank before I start adding fish and corals.

[rogergolf66]

Really need more info on what coral u will be keeping? U have enough flow for fish only in my opinion. If doing softies u need more flow but I think this would be to much flow if its not adjustable. For Sps 1 wont be to much but not sure if it will be enough. 2 minght be to much. At the price though if u got 2 and it was to much u could sell on the forum I'm sure

[jmifland]

I plan to keep zoas/palys, chalices, acans and I will probably start collecting sps corals as well. From what I have read I can put each powerhead on low which is around 1200 GPH and cut the power in half on the adapter and get 600 GPH. That would mean I could get around 1700 GPH if I put it at half power and left it on the highest setting.

[Tryder]

Just bought two of these for my 90 gallon.

Cheap
Good Flow
Wave Mode is decently loud - (I’m not sure if this is just for this product but you can hear it spinning up at each interval from the other room, if TVs not on).
I was worried about the glass being too thick but seem to be holding fine.

I would definitely recommend this to anyone who doesn’t want to get gouged for a MP40.

[jmifland]

Just bought two of these for my 90 gallon.

Cheap
Good Flow
Wave Mode is decently loud - (I’m not sure if this is just for this product but you can hear it spinning up at each interval from the other room, if TVs not on).
I was worried about the glass being too thick but seem to be holding fine.

I would definitely recommend this to anyone who doesn’t want to get gouged for a MP40.

Did you purchase the power supply with variable power settings or are you just running them on Low?

[Tryder]

I purchased just the standard $85.00 ones.

They come with a power supply with a controller.

On the controller there is
High
Low
Wave 1-3
Then 2 Feed settings.

There is also a dial that you can turn up and down.

[ashish]

Well if they are any good buy them now before they make their American debut and the price goes through the roof.... I bought a bubble magnus NAC6 skimmer about 6 years ago before they sold them here and it cost me $90. Granted i had to wire the thing so it would fit into my electrical outlet but now they are $200 something... ridiculous.

LOL... don't forget tunze is a german company.. I am actually looking into the bubble magnus.. I Go based on the shape of the skimmer body, plastic, youtube, & collection cup. What your paying for is quality plastic (lol) which can last forever; pumps are the only thing that can fail. So in reality when someone's buys a $1500 deltec skimmer that's similar size to my turboflotor. Your paying $1300 just for the plastic then the rest is the pump. I do remeber seeing the bubble magnus for very cheap 3 years ago and thought it's probably garbage. I've checked the prices on it recently and some are over $500. Still a good price considering Bubble magus is going (dare I say it :crazy1:) head-to-heat with bubble king!!

Im sure the people at eco-tech and Tunze are all over these threads..... brainstorming how a WP-40 is pushing more water at full speed than a MP60.. or Tunze who keeps changing them 6000 numbers every week so customers can tell each other they have tunze 6102 6145, blah blah blah . :bounce1:

[ChadRaay86]

Just got my pair today and boy are they nice. Seem to be very well put together and they make a nice little random wave in my 300 on W1 mode :D

[rogergolf66]

Just got my pair today and boy are they nice. Seem to be very well put together and they make a nice little random wave in my 300 on W1 mode :D

Chad u should post a video to show everyone

[ChadRaay86]

Chad u should post a video to show everyone

Will do eventually. I'm still fiddling with the controls and placement of them so the wave is varies from location to location. There's definitely a nice little rise and fall all over the tank right now though and it seems to provide great random flow. I would say two of these on a 150 or 180 could definitely throw water out of the tank :D

[JDL1000]

More expensive does NOT always mean a better product...

The expensive equipment sounds great if your budget can handle the price. Over the years I've had both expensive equipment and cheap equipment. A lot of times the expensive equipment didn't last as long as the cheaper equipment did. I've had cheap no name ballasts outlast the more expensive Ice Cap ballasts. I've had tunze pumps crap out before mag pumps. I will say a lot of the chinese products are junk but occasionally they put out a decent working product at a very reasonable price. I have some koralia look alike pumps that have been working flawless for 2 years now. My friend bought a cheap 30 dollar return pump from aquatraders at the same time I bought a MAG 18 about 4 years ago. I spent 100 dollars more for mine. Currently his cheap pump is still working great and about a year ago I had to replace my 130 dollar Mag 18 pump. So I ask anyone who hates chinese pumps "Who got the better deal in this case?" I bought an MP40 I had it about 3 days and got rid of it, it was noisy and way over priced.

Don't get me wrong I would prefer to buy american products. I own 3 vehicles and they are all american made. Every chance I get I buy american made but unfortunately some of the chinese products are just better priced and last longer.