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vitz
06/18/2013, 08:53 AM
https://www.facebook.com/PullTheShowTankedOffTheAir

in light of recent events involving an absolute travesty of aquarium keeping, (really only one of hundreds if not thousands those yahoos have foisted onto the aquarist community, directly and indirectly),i've decided to take a stand on the issue and try and start a boycott of the show.

FPSPOLICE
06/18/2013, 01:09 PM
generally boycotts on FB go no where, its a waste of time. The producers of the show dont care what you think its all about $$. if you want to hurt them dont watch it.

the people at Tanked are still going to make Millions of dollars doing what they do make aquarium tanks. which are pretty good quality tanks at that.

vitz
06/18/2013, 01:19 PM
the key word in your post is 'generally' ;) i certainly consider it a decent way to use my time ;)

you must be too young to remember how some disgruntled housewives transformed the entire tuna industry ;)

i must say i do find your 'laissez faire' (sp) attitude abit, well, distasteful. so activism doesn't work, eh? ;)

if they want to stick to shows about the technical aspect of how to make tanks, that's fine by me. wholesale misinformation and misleading of the public on a tv station that pretends to be about animal care/issues/interests, isn't :)

FPSPOLICE
06/18/2013, 08:29 PM
Well gl on your adventure , its like wanting to boycott all local pet stores because they dont take as great of care or inform customersr who are new to pet ownership on how to treat their pets optimally ...its all about making a buck.


Tanked for all you know do properly setup their live tanks for customers you dont work on the set so all you see is whats on tv which is about 15% of the process of makeing a tank / setup for a customer. Then its up to the customer to take charge from there wether they di that or not is on them not tanked..

vitz
06/19/2013, 09:29 AM
i'm not dealing with what i can't see,whatever isn't shown is irrelevant. it's what i'm seeing- the final product, and *its* message- that's the issue for me.

i never said anything about their tank manufacturing talents-which, quite frankly, don't interest me at all

alton
06/19/2013, 12:47 PM
As long as they don't build a tank for the Kardashian's. I would have to draw a line in the sand at that point!

MamaZooKeeper
06/21/2013, 12:53 PM
I LOVE this show....why do you disagree with it so much?

ariel47
06/21/2013, 01:00 PM
I like watching it and tank kings. I know u can't set a tank up and fill it with fish the same day. But I like to see the different builds. The casino tank was my favorite.

jimmy frag
06/21/2013, 03:25 PM
there really isnt too much on TV that is real, isnt all about entertainment. what one finds entertaining another may find rubbish. can you direct us to a episode where an animal was harmed in the making of the show so we can join in with your stance.

triggreef
06/21/2013, 03:54 PM
I like watching it and tank kings. I know u can't set a tank up and fill it with fish the same day. But I like to see the different builds. The casino tank was my favorite.

actually this can be done. & it is indeed how they do it. I've had the opportunity to meet them & hear them speak about the industry, the show & the differences of the details of what they do v. What the producers feel the viewers are interested in.

I've fully cycled a tank fishless in seven days, and had no problem adding a decent bio load of fish right after, not even doing half of what they do.

vitz
06/21/2013, 06:05 PM
i've fully cycled and stocked nanos in one day. big youknowwhat tickle. it's not something i would EVER recommend as a general practice, or give lend to the appearance to the uninformed that it is. they're setting back a large segment of the hobbyist population they're helping to create by years w/the end result that is the aired show. THAT'S my 'grievance'.

i'm not here or posting on fakeboo to show them anything, btw. i'm of the opinion that they should change their behavior/show, and whether or not it's entertainment is a secondary concern for me-since i'm relating to it as a professional aquarist, and only a professional aquarist. i have no issues w/them building tanks or how they build them. it's the portrayals and misrepresentations from the biological side i have great issues with ;)

they're certainly free to ignore me, as are any of you :)

kallan
06/21/2013, 10:07 PM
I've been watching the TED Talks "Into the Abyss"...just finished episode 7. If you feel in harmony with death and destruction, this might not be for you, though. Anyone watch these series on Netflix?

mikem101
06/22/2013, 06:36 AM
So I have posted on these Tanked threads before, and it turned into some great discussion. I can come off a little argumentative so I will try and tone it down, as this is just my opinion. This argument is crazy in my eyes due to the fact these are tank BUILDERS, not suppliers, and not the maintenance company. To me this is live buying a aqueon or innovative marine, I would depend on them to tell me what I can and can’t stock in my tank? There has been a ton of scrutiny placed on the show and, a lot of info has come out. Couple key points are in EVERY tank build a maintenance company is contracted to care for the livestock and tank after build is completed (it is up to the customer to continue the contract with this company). A lot of the fish that are stocked at the end of the build are removed as soon as shooting is over, strictly in there for the pretty colors for TV. After the tank is built and set up the husbandry side of this hobby does not fall on 2 guys that built the tank, it falls on the customer who purchased the product to either continue the contract with the hired maintenance company or take care of the tank themselves. I am yet to see how these two guys are doing anything wrong?

Fishfirst
06/22/2013, 07:08 PM
I have an issue with these guys representing the hobby as a whole. Also the fact that these guys pretend to know what they are talking about when it comes to stocking a tank infuriates me. Then in practice when they do stock a tank they basically put incompatible species together. People mimic what they see... it's human nature.

Fishfirst
06/22/2013, 07:09 PM
A time when things went bad is the Applebees tank. I am sure this isn't the first time this has happened.

jimmy frag
06/22/2013, 08:25 PM
I have an issue with these guys representing the hobby as a whole. Also the fact that these guys pretend to know what they are talking about when it comes to stocking a tank infuriates me. Then in practice when they do stock a tank they basically put incompatible species together. People mimic what they see... it's human nature.
i really dont see these guys representing this hobby as a whole, i dont see them as any kind of representation to this hobby in any way. they do have suppliers that i think would/should be the ones on the hook more than the builder. should we boycott these suppliers, how about the sponsors, how about animal planet. has anyone sent Animal Planet a letter explaining how we at RC see these guys as the #1 reps of this hobby and we feel they are giving the hobby a bad rap.

mikem101
06/23/2013, 07:11 AM
I have an issue with these guys representing the hobby as a whole. Also the fact that these guys pretend to know what they are talking about when it comes to stocking a tank infuriates me. Then in practice when they do stock a tank they basically put incompatible species together. People mimic what they see... it's human nature.

To me this argument does not make any sense, there are very few tanks that are stocked with fish that are "incompatible". Some tanks are overstocked and, when filming is done they are removed. Just like the black tip in the Applebeeís tank, it has been in a couple ATM tanks for filming then removed back to its home in an aquarium. I think it brings interest to our hobby and, anything that gets younger people into SW I'm all for it! I cant for the life of me figure out why people are surprised why a shark ate a fish! With this thought process we shouldnít have any shows on SW tanks, because i promise a show that tells the chemistry, acclimation, and cycling of saltwater would last all of 1 episode? So I'm still looking for an answer on why a tank builder is on the wrap for the fish in a tank? Maybe we should take a harder look at the supplier, the maintenance company that is contracted to care for the tank (as every tank we see on the show has one contracted by ATM), or maybe the customer who ultimately is responsible for care of the tank?

gab11
06/23/2013, 07:33 AM
How about having a show that actually shows the steps and problems that we all face on a daily basis. The people watching would probably increase if a show would bring everyone from start to finish and then daily issues

jimmy frag
06/23/2013, 08:13 AM
because it would be very boring as stated above you would be lucky if i lasted 1-2 episodes. if you dont like the show dont watch it.

SpartaReef
06/23/2013, 10:35 PM
ΔΔΔ+10... Yes I think they appear to be idiots, yes they put too much in the tank or wrong combinations or give bad representation of how long it takes to properly set up a tank... But yes I like the show, its only because of that show I have a tank... But I also am smart enough to do research and discover what wasn't shown on the show... The world is getting dummer because we cater to the ignorant instead of making them wise up...

Fishfirst
06/24/2013, 12:01 AM
How do you not see these guys as representing our hobby to the general public? If these fish are "removed" after shooting that brings up a whole new issue. What about the well being of the animal that must adjust and readjust to every new environment. Seems to me these guys have a hard enough time keeping fish alive that this type of fluid situation with a fairly sensitive animal would pose large problems for these guys.

Khemul
06/24/2013, 05:16 PM
... Seems to me these guys have a hard enough time keeping fish alive that this type of fluid situation with a fairly sensitive animal would pose large problems for these guys.

How do they have a hard time keeping fish alive?


Either way. It is entertainment. That is purely what it is intended for. The whole educational aspect has been discussed to death. The show stars have even been receptive to the idea. The producers, apparently not so much. It is boring to watch a real aquarium build, even for us. For the majority of people, it would be boring to see one of our ideas of a 'fully stocked' tank. This is television. It needs drama. It needs suspense. And it needs lots of fish filling the frame. None of which are commonly present in the real world.

All reality shows are like this. It is why the reality genre is a joke. Since there is so much scripting required to make it interesting that the term reality goes right out the window. Just about all of the reality shows make this extremely obvious (the real world doesn't follow the standard multi-act pattern that is common in just about all movies and television shows). The key to a good reality show is reconciling the real world with this scripted world seamlessly, which Discovery Communications doesn't really care about in the slightest, so don't expect anything to change about Tanked.

Fishfirst
06/25/2013, 10:48 PM
If they were interested in "advancing" the hobby or "helping" they would not renew next season. Also I am sick of the excuses... they are not fish people., they are acrylic people, stop pretending to be something you aren't. If you think they are legit fish people maybe you should reconsider your hobby choice.

albano
06/25/2013, 11:46 PM
If they were interested in "advancing" the hobby or "helping" they would not renew next season.

They are interested in a show that MAKES $$$$$$, period.
As mentioned , if you don't like it, don't watch it... any other actions are a waste of your time...NOBODY cares!

Reeferz412
06/26/2013, 12:44 PM
I went to the LFS with the gf to pick out a new fish for the tank and a lady was complaining her "nemos" died the first day. She told the store associate that she put them in a fish bowl with tap water and they died within 20 minutes. She said she put dechlorinator or something that makes the water "good for them"..... She says the people on tv add fish and they are fine. This is exactly why I hate this show. Because it makes people believe you can get a fish, throw it in the tank and use a miracle bottle to make everything alright. Plus the crazy builds let people believe fish can live in any sort of tank build.

Khemul
06/26/2013, 12:57 PM
If they were interested in "advancing" the hobby or "helping" they would not renew next season. Also I am sick of the excuses... they are not fish people., they are acrylic people, stop pretending to be something you aren't. If you think they are legit fish people maybe you should reconsider your hobby choice.

They don't pretend to be. They have stated that they have no interest in any of that stuff. They are making a TV show that A) makes them money and B) promotes/expands their business. All they are interested in is making tanks, selling products and entertaining. That's it. To expect otherwise is naive and unrealistic.


I went to the LFS with the gf to pick out a new fish for the tank and a lady was complaining her "nemos" died the first day. She told the store associate that she put them in a fish bowl with tap water and they died within 20 minutes. She said she put dechlorinator or something that makes the water "good for them"..... She says the people on tv add fish and they are fine. This is exactly why I hate this show. Because it makes people believe you can get a fish, throw it in the tank and use a miracle bottle to make everything alright. Plus the crazy builds let people believe fish can live in any sort of tank build.
The blame is horribly misplaced here. It isn't the fault of the television show that a person lacks the most basic of common sense.

Fishfirst
06/26/2013, 09:31 PM
Khemul I would encourage you to do some research before you post something. Check out some interviews like Mr Saltwater

mikem101
06/26/2013, 09:59 PM
If they were interested in "advancing" the hobby or "helping" they would not renew next season. Also I am sick of the excuses... they are not fish people., they are acrylic people, stop pretending to be something you aren't. If you think they are legit fish people maybe you should reconsider your hobby choice.

So you think red sea or aqueon should tell people should stock their tanks with? Thats crazy, I think you have your opinion which is fine. The facts show very few of their fish die probably less then most when they set up a tank. The common practice was to cycle with damsels for goodness sake? I think they are funny good hearted guys trying to make this hobby better. You think they are hurting the hobby by not including the husbandry side of this hobby. Which any person who gets involved will learn, none of us got into the hobby because we couldn't wait to learn reef chemistry we did it cause we saw pretty fish and coral in a tank. I think you should take it easy on then there is more behind the scene as one of the members here his tag is tampa something is one of the maintenance companies ATM contracts and appears in their episodes can attest to how much goes on and how much they do care about these fish.

Ps his tag is tampa aquarium services

jimmy frag
06/26/2013, 10:45 PM
Ozzy did a song along time ago called suicide solution. a kid comitted suicide, the athorities linked the song (some how) to the kid. was Ozzy guilty for the kids death ?

Kyle918
06/27/2013, 07:03 AM
https://www.facebook.com/PullTheShowTankedOffTheAir

in light of recent events involving an absolute travesty of aquarium keeping, (really only one of hundreds if not thousands those yahoos have foisted onto the aquarist community, directly and indirectly),i've decided to take a stand on the issue and try and start a boycott of the show.

Without reading any one elses comments, I don't think I can agree with you. While the show may be stupid, the team in general knows there stuff and they know if very well. The show is to make money, not to be practical. You are putting waaay too much thought into it...it is just a TV show man. Let it go!! :deadhorse:

Kyle918
06/27/2013, 07:11 AM
I went to the LFS with the gf to pick out a new fish for the tank and a lady was complaining her "nemos" died the first day. She told the store associate that she put them in a fish bowl with tap water and they died within 20 minutes. She said she put dechlorinator or something that makes the water "good for them"..... She says the people on tv add fish and they are fine. This is exactly why I hate this show. Because it makes people believe you can get a fish, throw it in the tank and use a miracle bottle to make everything alright. Plus the crazy builds let people believe fish can live in any sort of tank build.

TV airs a lot of unrealistic things....lmfao. seriously?? Was this even an argument? haha, I can't get over that statement that the show caused that... There are tons of inaccurate things on TV. Take cooking for example....how is it that the food is done in one commercial? ugh...maybe because there is more going on behind the scene than can fit in a 1 hour segment?? Same with tanked buddy. That is the ignorance of that lady to believe things are "as seen on TV" that is not the shows fault.

Again, :deadhorse1:

Khemul
06/27/2013, 12:15 PM
Khemul I would encourage you to do some research before you post something. Check out some interviews like Mr Saltwater
:confused:

You mean the interview where he essentially says that there is no interest in teaching or educating people about how to do things on the show and that the whole purpose of the show is entertainment and nothing else?

Read between the lines on the rest. The whole "expanding the hobby" talk is straight up PR. Of course they want the hobby expanded. EVERY business wants their field expanded. It's the whole point. It brings more business. The education portion he even flat out states is up to everyone else. All they are interested in is setting up tanks for people.

alton
06/27/2013, 12:58 PM
I went to the LFS with the gf to pick out a new fish for the tank and a lady was complaining her "nemos" died the first day. She told the store associate that she put them in a fish bowl with tap water and they died within 20 minutes. She said she put dechlorinator or something that makes the water "good for them"..... She says the people on tv add fish and they are fine. This is exactly why I hate this show. Because it makes people believe you can get a fish, throw it in the tank and use a miracle bottle to make everything alright. Plus the crazy builds let people believe fish can live in any sort of tank build.

Kind of reminds me of the old story from one of my fish stores; A guy walks back into the fishstore complaining because someone at the store should of told him his Oscars would eat his daughters clownfish!

Fishfirst
06/27/2013, 03:42 PM
I guess as a professional in this industry I take offense to someone self proclaiming they are "pros" when all they really know is how to mold acrylic. The proof is in the article about how the black tip ate 4 jacks in a matter of minutes and how the white tip died the next morning due to their improper housing. This is just the FIRST time its been reported... think of how many others died just as quickly. You guys can claim ignorance and say its all for show... but those shows initiate people to do really dumb things. The jackass of fish keeping would be about what I would amount it to. Honestly these guys need to go. This is how legislation comes into congress banning our hobby.

Khemul
06/27/2013, 04:23 PM
That article is more of proof of how lazy journalists have gotten, rather then the how well ATM handles fish. Considering that, the writer didn't even bother to fact check the size of the tank, let alone what fish actually died.

mikem101
06/27/2013, 08:07 PM
I guess as a professional in this industry I take offense to someone self proclaiming they are "pros" when all they really know is how to mold acrylic. The proof is in the article about how the black tip ate 4 jacks in a matter of minutes and how the white tip died the next morning due to their improper housing. This is just the FIRST time its been reported... think of how many others died just as quickly. You guys can claim ignorance and say its all for show... but those shows initiate people to do really dumb things. The jackass of fish keeping would be about what I would amount it to. Honestly these guys need to go. This is how legislation comes into congress banning our hobby.

I think you need to read the retraction they wrote. For one the black tip wad only in there for a day as a show piece, this black tip had been shown in three of their previous tankd shows, he belongs to a public aquarium who let's the guys use him for some show tanks for a day or two. Maybe it's just me but I don't think the marine biologists at the aquarium would allow their sharks to be put into danger. That being said there was never a white tip in this aquarium, it was a smooth Hound shark who died due running into the Ferris wheel in the tank. Unfortunate but not a fault of the tankd team! Finally as a professional in the industry you would know that a shark would not eat a look down unless extremely comfy with its environment. Since he didn't kill then and leave them he hunted for food shows any professional they are acclimated and happy. Yes hungry but kinda up to the owners to feed.

jimmy frag
06/27/2013, 08:23 PM
I guess as a professional in this industry I take offense to someone self proclaiming they are "pros" when all they really know is how to mold acrylic. .

like it or not, they are Pros.

Down
06/27/2013, 11:55 PM
like it or not, they are Pros.

Dictionary.com agrees with you:


pro∑fes∑sion∑al
[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]
adjective
1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

Fishfirst
06/28/2013, 01:05 AM
Get out of the hobby you guys... do us all a favor. It doesn't matter what type of shark it was, it doesn't matter how comfortable they were, it doesn't matter what type of fish it ate. What does matter is they were put into that position BY the Tanked crew and died at the hands of the tanked crew on a rookie mistake of putting animals in conditions that are not suitable for that species. So who's fault is it if it isn't the tanked teams fault that the smooth hound died by running into one of their improper props in one of their improper tank setups? They pick out the fish for the unveiling... I think that is pretty clear.

mikem101
06/28/2013, 01:49 AM
Get out of the hobby you guys... do us all a favor. It doesn't matter what type of shark it was, it doesn't matter how comfortable they were, it doesn't matter what type of fish it ate. What does matter is they were put into that position BY the Tanked crew and died at the hands of the tanked crew on a rookie mistake of putting animals in conditions that are not suitable for that species. So who's fault is it if it isn't the tanked teams fault that the smooth hound died by running into one of their improper props in one of their improper tank setups? They pick out the fish for the unveiling... I think that is pretty clear.

I think you are crazy omg shark ate a fish no way that's not what they do in the wild or anything? A shark hit his nose on a prop sad yes but if you haven't seen this you haven't kept sharks long. Let's blame the tank builder not the customer who makes a lousy of what they want in the tank? Wow what a joke someone saying a 3000 gallon aquarium isn't big enough for a smooth hound and some look downs? Its ok most people on this thread agree they are doing nothing wrong, some people with no valid argument are going to keep screaming how to fish died sad yes but it happens all the time in this hobby. If you were a real professional you would know this is a proper set up and fish are acclimated correctly if your big issue is they don't explain it on the show your the crazy one. Next time bring up a valid point on why these aren't proper tank setups other then just saying how you don't think they are. Seems like someone who doesn't like these guys for personal reasons cause you are yet to bring a valid argument to the table.

Fishfirst
06/28/2013, 05:46 AM
Liken again you are missing the point. They choose the fish... it blantently shows that in the show. How about some real drama where they say no to the customer? Being a "pro" in this hobby is more about knowing proper fish for a certain situation vs throwing in what the customer wants. I have a question... how many here who are arguing for the show actually have kept a free swimming shark? Bred cownose rays? Cycled a huge aquarium in just a few days? The truth is I doubt any one for the show actually has done anything of the sort. You would know that certain species can't and shouldn't be kept together. You would know that certain species should be left out of an aquarium with a lot of obstacles. These guys disregard these statements... which makes them completely unprofessional. Not only that but they look like jackasses doing it. Again if you don't see what's wrong with this leave this hobby and go play with something that is not living.

Fishfirst
06/28/2013, 05:50 AM
All this arguing on a forums where you can hide behind a computer and say what you want... but in this profession its put up or shut up. They definitely need to shut up... and the people supporting them need to as well. I would have very few problems with the show if they didn't stock the tanks like 4 year olds.

breiter3
06/28/2013, 05:52 AM
This is hilarious. Go ahead and social warrior up with a Facebook page... That's definitely comparable to activism that gets results.

redtop03
06/28/2013, 09:20 AM
have any of you seen the Fish Tank Kings show on discovery channel ?

the previews of the next episode of it,their client wants to rent a tank for 1 day,I'm curious how they will pull that off without killing a bunch of fish

mikem101
06/28/2013, 10:20 AM
Liken again you are missing the point. They choose the fish... it blantently shows that in the show. How about some real drama where they say no to the customer? Being a "pro" in this hobby is more about knowing proper fish for a certain situation vs throwing in what the customer wants. I have a question... how many here who are arguing for the show actually have kept a free swimming shark? Bred cownose rays? Cycled a huge aquarium in just a few days? The truth is I doubt any one for the show actually has done anything of the sort. You would know that certain species can't and shouldn't be kept together. You would know that certain species should be left out of an aquarium with a lot of obstacles. These guys disregard these statements... which makes them completely unprofessional. Not only that but they look like jackasses doing it. Again if you don't see what's wrong with this leave this hobby and go play with something that is not living.

Well everyone here can read the facts and determine what they feel for themselves, oh and yes I have kept a huge predator tank. Not 15000 gallons though that being said I feel these guys are doing nothing wrong for the many facts I have put out there this argument had no facts to back it. You are arguing your opinion which is fine but there is nothing to back that up. The Hound shark and the black tip are fine together look downs and sharks are fine together. So other then I don't believe that's right cause I'm a professional, what facts do you have to back it up?

Khemul
06/28/2013, 01:33 PM
Liken again you are missing the point. They choose the fish... it blantently shows that in the show. How about some real drama where they say no to the customer? Being a "pro" in this hobby is more about knowing proper fish for a certain situation vs throwing in what the customer wants. I have a question... how many here who are arguing for the show actually have kept a free swimming shark? Bred cownose rays? Cycled a huge aquarium in just a few days? The truth is I doubt any one for the show actually has done anything of the sort. You would know that certain species can't and shouldn't be kept together. You would know that certain species should be left out of an aquarium with a lot of obstacles. These guys disregard these statements... which makes them completely unprofessional. Not only that but they look like jackasses doing it. Again if you don't see what's wrong with this leave this hobby and go play with something that is not living.
Being a fish-rights activist isn't the same thing as being a professional. COMPLETELY different level. A professional simply makes a living and knows what they can and can't do. That isn't the same as saying what they should do. If the customer wants a shark in with some decorations, the customer gets that. Plain and simple. The snobs can sit back and cry about how the decoration shouldn't have been there, but it isn't their tank.

It is rather funny the unrealistic view people get from these shows. People seem to think ATM has 100% control over the project and that everything goes together within days. Admittedly, Tanked goes a bit far to hide this. Even the quarantine tank episode, where it was painfully obvious the client was looking over their shoulders the whole time, they still tried to make it look like ATM was in control of the build. The truth is, there is absolutely no way to do these builds without heavy customer input. Stocking, design, layout, decor, construction, permits. All stuff that has to be carefully planned out. You aren't going to rip into a customer's walls without going over the details carefully. And guess what, if the customer wants a fish, or a piece of decor, or a specific design; the professional will offer it, if it is possible. Why? Because THAT is what a professional does. An idealist goes out of business, because the customer moves on to someone who can get it done. Because the customer doesn't want to hear that a fish shouldn't ideally be kept with another. They want to hear if it can physically do so.


The problem with a lot of people on this forum is, they see themselves as the ideal fish-keeper. THEY are the professionals. And everyone else that doesn't measure up to their standards doesn't deserve the privilege of keeping the same fish they do. Elitism and snobbery really. "OMG! YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE FISH TOGETHER! AMATEURS!1111!!!".

Welcome to being a minority. The majority is what you hate. Tank builders, decorative-tank owners, LFS's, wholesalers. These are the people who make up the hobby. Get rid of all of them and the hobby ceases to exist. These are the people in it for the money, or who see the fish as decorations instead of pets. These are the people who bring in the money. Not the forum snobs.

jimmy frag
06/28/2013, 01:47 PM
Being a fish-rights activist isn't the same thing as being a professional. COMPLETELY different level. A professional simply makes a living and knows what they can and can't do. That isn't the same as saying what they should do. If the customer wants a shark in with some decorations, the customer gets that. Plain and simple. The snobs can sit back and cry about how the decoration shouldn't have been there, but it isn't their tank.

It is rather funny the unrealistic view people get from these shows. People seem to think ATM has 100% control over the project and that everything goes together within days. Admittedly, Tanked goes a bit far to hide this. Even the quarantine tank episode, where it was painfully obvious the client was looking over their shoulders the whole time, they still tried to make it look like ATM was in control of the build. The truth is, there is absolutely no way to do these builds without heavy customer input. Stocking, design, layout, decor, construction, permits. All stuff that has to be carefully planned out. You aren't going to rip into a customer's walls without going over the details carefully. And guess what, if the customer wants a fish, or a piece of decor, or a specific design; the professional will offer it, if it is possible. Why? Because THAT is what a professional does. An idealist goes out of business, because the customer moves on to someone who can get it done. Because the customer doesn't want to hear that a fish shouldn't ideally be kept with another. They want to hear if it can physically do so.


The problem with a lot of people on this forum is, they see themselves as the ideal fish-keeper. THEY are the professionals. And everyone else that doesn't measure up to their standards doesn't deserve the privilege of keeping the same fish they do. Elitism and snobbery really. "OMG! YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE FISH TOGETHER! AMATEURS!1111!!!".

Welcome to being a minority. The majority is what you hate. Tank builders, decorative-tank owners, LFS's, wholesalers. These are the people who make up the hobby. Get rid of all of them and the hobby ceases to exist. These are the people in it for the money, or who see the fish as decorations instead of pets. These are the people who bring in the money. Not the forum snobs.

well said Khemul

albano
06/28/2013, 01:50 PM
The problem with a lot of people on this forum is, they see themselves as the ideal fish-keeper. THEY are the professionals. And everyone else that doesn't measure up to their standards doesn't deserve the privilege of keeping the same fish they do. Elitism and snobbery really. "OMG! YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE FISH TOGETHER! AMATEURS!1111!!!".


100% correct... Can you please post this on Facebook so 'they' get the message!

TheGodParticle
06/28/2013, 01:58 PM
I went to the LFS with the gf to pick out a new fish for the tank and a lady was complaining her "nemos" died the first day. She told the store associate that she put them in a fish bowl with tap water and they died within 20 minutes. She said she put dechlorinator or something that makes the water "good for them"..... She says the people on tv add fish and they are fine. This is exactly why I hate this show. Because it makes people believe you can get a fish, throw it in the tank and use a miracle bottle to make everything alright. Plus the crazy builds let people believe fish can live in any sort of tank build.

Maybe it's just me, but I find this story well, unbelievable, made up, and completely fabricated. Just makes you look bad more than anything.

mikem101
06/28/2013, 02:02 PM
Being a fish-rights activist isn't the same thing as being a professional. COMPLETELY different level. A professional simply makes a living and knows what they can and can't do. That isn't the same as saying what they should do. If the customer wants a shark in with some decorations, the customer gets that. Plain and simple. The snobs can sit back and cry about how the decoration shouldn't have been there, but it isn't their tank.

It is rather funny the unrealistic view people get from these shows. People seem to think ATM has 100% control over the project and that everything goes together within days. Admittedly, Tanked goes a bit far to hide this. Even the quarantine tank episode, where it was painfully obvious the client was looking over their shoulders the whole time, they still tried to make it look like ATM was in control of the build. The truth is, there is absolutely no way to do these builds without heavy customer input. Stocking, design, layout, decor, construction, permits. All stuff that has to be carefully planned out. You aren't going to rip into a customer's walls without going over the details carefully. And guess what, if the customer wants a fish, or a piece of decor, or a specific design; the professional will offer it, if it is possible. Why? Because THAT is what a professional does. An idealist goes out of business, because the customer moves on to someone who can get it done. Because the customer doesn't want to hear that a fish shouldn't ideally be kept with another. They want to hear if it can physically do so.


The problem with a lot of people on this forum is, they see themselves as the ideal fish-keeper. THEY are the professionals. And everyone else that doesn't measure up to their standards doesn't deserve the privilege of keeping the same fish they do. Elitism and snobbery really. "OMG! YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE FISH TOGETHER! AMATEURS!1111!!!".

Welcome to being a minority. The majority is what you hate. Tank builders, decorative-tank owners, LFS's, wholesalers. These are the people who make up the hobby. Get rid of all of them and the hobby ceases to exist. These are the people in it for the money, or who see the fish as decorations instead of pets. These are the people who bring in the money. Not the forum snobs.


preach!!! Lol

Reeferz412
06/28/2013, 02:04 PM
I believe there was a thread a while back showing these tanks then and now. I'd say 90% of the tanks are in the dump now. People see the appeal but not the discipline and how difficult this hobby can be. It's a good show for entertainment but people do actually believe the hobby is portrayed the way this show displays it.

TheGodParticle
06/28/2013, 02:05 PM
I don't know why any of you are still arguing with FishFirst. He's clearly better than every single one of you and you all are pretty much, well, worthless and terrible fish keepers.

You can't slap logic into someone who is illogical by nature. Just let him pretend he knows what he's talking about and let him throw his own party that everybody is invited too but nobody is coming too. The sooner people quit acknowledging him, the quicker this thread will die.

Lincutis
06/28/2013, 02:07 PM
I should not say this, but I will anyway. I really enjoy the reefkeeping hobby. It allows me a part of the world where I can't exist. However I also enjoy a trip to Red Lobster every now and then. There are shows on T.V. dedicated to the slaughter of marine life and I see all these great reviews about watching these shows. I like tanked. Leave them alone. It's like watching Fred Flinstone and Barney Rubble finally making it big. And the Tanks are pretty cool. If you really need someway to affect the outcome, form a partnership with ATM and go service all the new tanks.

mikem101
06/28/2013, 02:20 PM
I believe there was a thread a while back showing these tanks then and now. I'd say 90% of the tanks are in the dump now. People see the appeal but not the discipline and how difficult this hobby can be. It's a good show for entertainment but people do actually believe the hobby is portrayed the way this show displays it.

Our hobby is keeping fish in a box full of water and watching them swim. These guys aren't responsible for idiots going into chain stores and buying improper set ups or maintaining the tanks a customer buys? If you buy a dog kennel the kennel company isn't going to come to your house and pick up after your dog? These guys build fish aquariums they aren't responsible to maintain for some guy who paid them to build. Why do we bask these guys if anyone it's the owners fault not the tank builders. And if people watch a show and believe that's all that goes into it who cares? The store they buy from should educate them not an animal plant tv show?

billsreef
06/28/2013, 02:27 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I find this story well, unbelievable, made up, and completely fabricated. Just makes you look bad more than anything.

Obviously you've never worked in a LFS. That sort of scenario plays out all too often :(

Lincutis
06/28/2013, 02:28 PM
I believe there was a thread a while back showing these tanks then and now. I'd say 90% of the tanks are in the dump now. People see the appeal but not the discipline and how difficult this hobby can be. It's a good show for entertainment but people do actually believe the hobby is portrayed the way this show displays it.

I find this a strange statistic seeing how often they go back to build additional tanks for previous customers as well as to make additions to those tanks.

JustClownin
06/28/2013, 02:33 PM
I dont want to ruffle any feathers, but there is nothing noble about plucking fish and invertibrates and shoving them in a box. Even the largest aquarium with the best equipment cant do what mother nature does. We all do our best to make sure our stock thrives, but people upset about Tanked should take a step back and really think. Its easy to sit and knock on Tanked for fish deaths, but what about all the livestock lost during hobbyist error, shipping from distributor to lfs, and after being captured and held. I dont see the OP pulling his hair out and beating on any of that.

The OP is just armchair activist.

RichieT
06/28/2013, 03:04 PM
Personally I hate the show. I can't stand reality TV. But to blame these guys for the stupidity of the people buying these tanks is stupid. Should they require the buyers to sign a pledge that they will learn and research proper tank maintenance? Background checks before they build? Some people just shouldn't be buying these tanks but is ATM suppose to turn away business?

As for the dummy that put clownfish into declorinated tap water. Maybe we should boycott Disney for making reefing more popular to the masses. At some point you just have to realize that a large percentage of the population is ill fit to survive on their own. Let alone take care of other living things.

Rant over

alton
06/28/2013, 04:30 PM
Obviously you've never worked in a LFS. That sort of scenario plays out all too often :(

You are so right Bill. Over the years of hearing people say " We flushed Jimmy's Goldfish down the toilet, hopefully it made it to the river?" In Nemo didn't one of the fish get flushed and make it to the ocean?

Railcar79
06/28/2013, 05:29 PM
I have read this thread and the argument is the same on the other 100 threads here. Fish have died, big deal happens all the time, the LFS has dead loss all the time, so do chains, and even live aquaria. Everyone knows they overatock for the reveal cause a properly stocked tank does not show well on tv, the maintnence company is responsible for the fish, and the aquarium after reveal, and our hobby is boring as hell to watch on tv. The "miracle in a bottle" products do work if you follow the directions properly, and I really don't care that you think you are an expert. All the drama on banning the show just shows that you want the hobby to be back where it was in the 70s and 80s. If we ban people from handling fish because of dead loss alone, ORA, and BlueZoo should be on the list too, they lose thousands of fish every year.

Railcar79
06/28/2013, 05:37 PM
In the end it doesn't matter what any of us think or say. They will continue to harvest fish from the ocean, reefers will drive the continuing destruction of reefs to get that new coral for their collection, millions of fish will die because some expert told them the wrong way to keep something in their tank, and people will fight over a tv show

breiter3
06/28/2013, 08:55 PM
Fish Rights Activists lol. This thread just keeps on giving!

vitz
06/28/2013, 09:51 PM
I dont want to ruffle any feathers, but there is nothing noble about plucking fish and invertibrates and shoving them in a box. Even the largest aquarium with the best equipment cant do what mother nature does. We all do our best to make sure our stock thrives, but people upset about Tanked should take a step back and really think. Its easy to sit and knock on Tanked for fish deaths, but what about all the livestock lost during hobbyist error, shipping from distributor to lfs, and after being captured and held. I dont see the OP pulling his hair out and beating on any of that.

The OP is just armchair activist.

actually, the op isn't really a self declared activist of any kind, nor is he an 'armchair' anything ;)

i know the show misrepresents the hobby, the industry, and what's involved, w/ both, to the point of un-necessarily wasting a valuable natural resource for a few dozens of people's wallets. kinda like a puppy mill sponsoring a dog grooming show on pbs, or an abortion clinic giving out classes in infant care. it's obscene.

all i've really done is voice my opinion that it should be taken of the air, and asked any of a liked mind, to join in expressing that opinion.

many of you seem to be making the assumption that i expect my action to have any concrete, tangible results. it's a bit laughable that any assumptions about what my expectations are, are even being assumed/thought about. that's 'all y'alls' silly conjecture :)

(and i have enough of a background in wholesale, retail, and the hobby to be able to discern between the realities of the hobby and industry, and the fantasy that are the 'reality' aquarium themed shows, among which are having worked for one of 'tanked's suppliers for a few yrs, heh ).

2 clowns that know how to work very well w/ acrylic and aquarium building want their 15 min of fortune and fame. fine by me. do it honestly. don't have your finished product leave the distinct impression that the home husbandry and acquisition of these animals is something it's not. very simple concept here. :)

'animal planet' is a whole other ball of wax, and one of dozens of garbage pipelines that never should have made it to the 'ether', like infomercials, qvc, and fox news.and tlc. and bravo. and leno. :P

it's my opinion folks-you think it's silly? fine by me. no one's holding a gun to your head to go visit fakeboo. :)

i'm also a tad flattered that my opinions and (unknown/possibly nonexistent) motives/thoughts interest some of you so much that you're compelled to state strong opinions on something you know nothing about at all, heh (above mentioned motives/thought). it's enlightening, and made my evening. :)

and, 'just clownin', as some here on this bb know, i most certainly have 'beaten my hairy chest' on certain issues that pertain to this hobby, and have been directly involved in trying to change or effect those things through both action and public rhetoric/participation.(including working for a non profit coral conservation group.and many heated threads in rdo's industry forum around '03 and onwards. i've also helped dogs, btw :) so i'd ask you make a small effort to refrain from the absolutely ignorant commentary on what you think you know about other people you're commenting on. it would help you score debate points ;)

don't ever forget that your box's inhabitants ultimately came from an ocean that isn't going to be able to keep those creatures alive for much longer-to see them squandered so blatantly, and with the 'blessing' of a 'network' by the name of 'animal planet' isn't exactly something i'd call 'trivial', at any rate.

everyone has their particular pet peeves and causes. the reaction of most of you to the same level of commentary made by many on this thread towards an issue *i* happen to think worthwhile , to any of importance to y'all , would be interesting indeed, i'll bet :)

even more interesting is the apparent sentiment by some that since an issue isn't likely going to get resolved by expressing an idea, one shouldn't express that idea. or that expressing it is therefore laughable, as it's the end outcome only that validates the idea/behavior/'activism'. wow. what would rosa parks have done ? (not to make my issue analogous at all-but you hopefully get the point).

i hope i've been able to clarify a few things that seem to be confusing some here :) if not, tough. ;)

vitz
06/28/2013, 09:59 PM
Obviously you've never worked in a LFS. That sort of scenario plays out all too often :(


i've personally witnessed dozens of poor saps take sw fish home and put 'em in fw. often it's the lfs simply assuming the person asking for a clown or butterfly has prior knowledge, and that a very reasonable assumption to often make. it's also simply impossible to ask every single customer if they do indeed know.



asking is something i try to do always, with tact, usually prefaced w/a 'please don't take offense, i'm just trying to get a handle on your experience level so i don't waste your time w/ basics if not needed' kinda thing,but that's only because i came aware a long time ago that people actually buy animals w/out knowing a damn thing about 'em all the time-and not just fish or hamsters from an lfs, heh. crap, i did it-it's how i started in this as a 7 yr old. ;)

jimmy frag
06/28/2013, 10:00 PM
actually, the op isn't really a self declared activist of any kind, nor is he an 'armchair' anything ;)

i know the show misrepresents the hobby, the industry, and what's involved, w/ both, to the point of un-necessarily wasting a valuable natural resource for a few dozens of people's wallets. kinda like a puppy mill sponsoring a dog grooming show on pbs, or an abortion clinic giving out classes in infant care. it's obscene.

all i've really done is voice my opinion that it should be taken of the air, and asked any of a liked mind, to join in expressing that opinion.

many of you seem to be making the assumption that i expect my action to have any concrete, tangible results. it's a bit laughable that any assumptions about what my expectations are, are even being assumed/thought about. that's 'all y'alls' silly conjecture :)

(and i have enough of a background in wholesale, retail, and the hobby to be able to discern between the realities of the hobby and industry, and the fantasy that are the 'reality' aquarium themed shows, among which are having worked for one of 'tanked's suppliers for a few yrs, heh ).

2 clowns that know how to work very well w/ acrylic and aquarium building want their 15 min of fortune and fame. fine by me. do it honestly. don't have your finished product leave the distinct impression that the home husbandry and acquisition of these animals is something it's not. very simple concept here. :)

'animal planet' is a whole other ball of wax, and one of dozens of garbage pipelines that never should have made it to the 'ether', like infomercials, qvc, and fox news.and tlc. and bravo. and leno. :P

it's my opinion folks-you think it's silly? fine by me. no one's holding a gun to your head to go visit fakeboo. :)

i'm also a tad flattered that my opinions and (unknown/possibly nonexistent) motives/thoughts interest some of you so much that you're compelled to state strong opinions on something you know nothing about at all, heh (above mentioned motives/thought). it's enlightening, and made my evening. :)

and, 'just clownin', as some here on this bb know, i most certainly have 'beaten my hairy chest' on certain issues that pertain to this hobby, and have been directly involved in trying to change or effect those things through both action and public rhetoric/participation.(including working for a non profit coral conservation group.and many heated threads in rdo's industry forum around '03 and onwards. i've also helped dogs, btw :) so i'd ask you make a small effort to refrain from the absolutely ignorant commentary on what you think you know about other people you're commenting on. it would help you score debate points ;)

don't ever forget that your box's inhabitants ultimately came from an ocean that isn't going to be able to keep those creatures alive for much longer-to see them squandered so blatantly, and with the 'blessing' of a 'network' by the name of 'animal planet' isn't exactly something i'd call 'trivial', at any rate.

everyone has their particular pet peeves and causes. the reaction of most of you to the same level of commentary made by many on this thread towards an issue *i* happen to think worthwhile , to any of importance to y'all , would be interesting indeed, i'll bet :)

even more interesting is the apparent sentiment by some that since an issue isn't likely going to get resolved by expressing an idea, one shouldn't express that idea. or that expressing it is therefore laughable, as it's the end outcome only that validates the idea/behavior/'activism'. wow. what would rosa parks have done ? (not to make my issue analogous at all-but you hopefully get the point).

i hope i've been able to clarify a few things that seem to be confusing some here :) if not, tough. ;)

your not comparing yourself to rosa parks are you ?

vitz
06/28/2013, 10:02 PM
Fish Rights Activists lol. This thread just keeps on giving!


indeed! here you are, voicing your opinon! :) :thumbsup:

vitz
06/28/2013, 10:04 PM
In the end it doesn't matter what any of us think or say. They will continue to harvest fish from the ocean, reefers will drive the continuing destruction of reefs to get that new coral for their collection, millions of fish will die because some expert told them the wrong way to keep something in their tank, and people will fight over a tv show

who's fighting ?

and where do you draw the conclusion that reefers drive the continuing destruction of reefs. reefers have never been anything more than a drop in the proverbial bucket, a minor nuisance, compared to ALL of the real and major threats that have been slowly killing the reefs for decades if not centuries.

the relatively miniscule part the sw ornamental industry had in reef decline was attempted to be mitigated by the very hobby and industry that caused it (cyanide use and dynamite fishing), albeit rather unsuccessfully and for a relatively short period. partly due, unfortunately, to that ridiculous farce known as 'mac' that derailed the movement and squandered so much for so few to gain so personally.mostly due to lack of any political will on the industry's/hobbyist's part.

vitz
06/28/2013, 10:15 PM
your not comparing yourself to rosa parks are you ?

i wrote:


(not to make my issue analogous at all-but you hopefully get the point).

i guess something just whizzed right past your head (the point). please read a post before you respond to it.

jimmy frag
06/28/2013, 10:20 PM
i wrote:



I guess something just whizzed right past your head (the point). Please read a post before you respond to it.

lolololol

vitz
06/28/2013, 10:42 PM
I have read this thread and the argument is the same on the other 100 threads here. Fish have died, big deal happens all the time, the LFS has dead loss all the time, so do chains, and even live aquaria. Everyone knows they overatock for the reveal cause a properly stocked tank does not show well on tv, the maintnence company is responsible for the fish, and the aquarium after reveal, and our hobby is boring as hell to watch on tv. The "miracle in a bottle" products do work if you follow the directions properly, and I really don't care that you think you are an expert. All the drama on banning the show just shows that you want the hobby to be back where it was in the 70s and 80s. If we ban people from handling fish because of dead loss alone, ORA, and BlueZoo should be on the list too, they lose thousands of fish every year.

there are many people who should be banned from handling animals of many kinds-from the perspective of one who cares about those animals for 'their sake'. and yes-if doa/daa were a criteria used, most of the m.o. biz would be shut down, for mere waste and lack of respect for the value of a dollar, to say nothing of the lack of respect to a natural resource.

do you think this is where i was going? because most of the points you seem to be making have nothing to do w/ anything i've posted on this entire bb.

you completely missed the point about the 'miracle in a bottle' arguments as well, btw.

i was around in this hobby working in an lfs in the '70's, and know exactly what it was like. were you ? (i remember a thriving 125 reef display tank at 'biill's wonderland of pets' in magnolia nj on the white horse pike circa '78-79 that was beautiful by today's standards, and i was reading up on how to hopefully breed clownfish, and had some 'bonded' pairs of peridarion (sp) clowns, along with growing red tree sponges and macros to sell back through the store).

those 'primitive days' weren't nearly as primitive or selection limited as you might think, and the tanks weren't even black and white, although our tv's were! people were spawning damsels and keeping coral well before the '70's, bubbeleh ;)

you've read 100 threads that all say the same thing and you both keep reading AND respond to them ? why ?

everywhere i've ever worked i've contributed significantly to cutting mortality losses. sometimes dramatically. i personally think it's a basic moral imperative to not only treat the wild w/ some basic respect, but also to correct the disrespect when and if we can, the way we can. some folks join greenpeace, or give to foundations. some just educate directly through our involvement w/ customers in the biz, like me.

and i really don't care that you don't care that i think i'm an expert.(heh). but since you brought it up....

tropical fw/sw closed system husbandry/setup/maintenance from small (nano) to large scale (commercial hatchery management) is one the very few things i'm actually a real expert in. all taught from vary varied direct experience, tons of self motivated research, school of hard knocks... i don't need *you* to validate that, lol. :)

vitz
06/28/2013, 11:00 PM
They don't pretend to be. They have stated that they have no interest in any of that stuff. They are making a TV show that A) makes them money and B) promotes/expands their business. All they are interested in is making tanks, selling products and entertaining. That's it. To expect otherwise is naive and unrealistic.



The blame is horribly misplaced here. It isn't the fault of the television show that a person lacks the most basic of common sense.


i'll wager a high school physics teacher would think certain things are 'common sense' that you have absolutely no clue about. there's really very little that's 'common' when it comes to this rather esoteric hobby's knowledge base. i wouldn't expect most people who have close to zero exposure to an animal group to have even the most basic knowledge about the splits within that group.

we need to be careful about our assumptions about 'common sense'-all i'm sayin ;)

mikem101
06/28/2013, 11:02 PM
tropical fw/sw closed system husbandry/setup/maintenance from small (nano) to large scale (commercial hatchery management) is one the very few things i'm actually a real expert in. all taught from vary varied direct experience, tons of self motivated research, school of hard knocks... i don't need *you* to validate that, lol. :)

I have been following this and, not taking anything away from you cause obviously have been in this hobby for a long time. Also are a very knowledgeable person when it comes to SW and husbandry. So what I say isnít to argue or be a jerk but, what is it that the tanked guys are doing that bothers you? Seems like some people donít like that it makes our hobby look easy? I donít see how these guys are doing anything wrong, they are tank builders thatís all. So I guess Iím unclear on what bothers you about the show? They overstock for 24 hrs then fish are removed, the tanks are cycled and within water parameters for a FO tank? The aquariums are pretty cool? Again not trying to argue Iím just curious on your point?

Railcar79
06/28/2013, 11:05 PM
All I have to say before I unsubscribe, this is the internet. For all you know I invented the acrylic that makes the tanks. Everyone on this board claims to be an expert, yet most the people have their heads shoved so far up their I'm better than you so take what I say as gospel *** that reef central has become a joke.

pmcarbrey
06/28/2013, 11:09 PM
How about having a show that actually shows the steps and problems that we all face on a daily basis. The people watching would probably increase if a show would bring everyone from start to finish and then daily issues

no one would watch it; does cycling a tank, dealing with ich, constant water changes, and slow acclimation and introduction of fish/inverts make for good tv?

The show is made to keep your attention, nothing more. It's just like any reality tv show. You dont see anyone complaining about the home renovation shows where in a day or two someone magically completely renovates half their house. The timelines are sped up to fit a short show time and hold interest, not to deceive, and everyone watching should realize this

Lincutis
06/28/2013, 11:11 PM
I think we need to do more tank maintenance or something to take up our extra time. LOL

Fishfirst
06/28/2013, 11:47 PM
Once again you all for the show missed the point. I am not all knowing, however I do have some very good mentors as well as a decent amount of experience in this hobby and profession to know there is a distinct difference between someone respecting, researching, and pushing the limits vs someone grabbing some fish and throwing them in an acrylic box for a ton of money and taking their customers for fools. There are a few things that bother me about the show and some things that don't.

What I disagree with:
1) the ethics of guys who clearly don't know the difference between an acceptable tankmate for the tank vs a well thought out plan.
2) the lack of any substance as far as knowledge goes when presenting these amazing boxes of acrylic.
3) the poor judgement of tank design ie. The refrigerator tank, gumball tank, jellyfish tank, spade tank etc.

Lincutis
06/29/2013, 09:39 AM
Once again you all for the show missed the point. I am not all knowing, however I do have some very good mentors as well as a decent amount of experience in this hobby and profession to know there is a distinct difference between someone respecting, researching, and pushing the limits vs someone grabbing some fish and throwing them in an acrylic box for a ton of money and taking their customers for fools. There are a few things that bother me about the show and some things that don't.

What I disagree with:
1) the ethics of guys who clearly don't know the difference between an acceptable tankmate for the tank vs a well thought out plan.
2) the lack of any substance as far as knowledge goes when presenting these amazing boxes of acrylic.
3) the poor judgement of tank design ie. The refrigerator tank, gumball tank, jellyfish tank, spade tank etc.


These are novelties. This show is not about the hobby of fish keeping. It's entertainment. Like all the other crap on T.V. It's about entertaining the public for advertising dollars. People with money that most of us don't have like outrageous things. I have walked into lfs for years and told them they needed to move certain fish or they would have problems. They move the fish because they are in the business to sell them not lose them. That's not what Hollywood does. Do you think every teenager in America is in a hot tub with 11 other teens having sex 10 hours a day. If T.V. were the rule and not the exception that would be the case. We should be boycotting all T.V. if we boycotted every ill we saw in the shows. Think of how much of the world thinks we are idiots for the money we spend to keep fish in a glass pen that we don't plan on eating. Maybe start a facebook page to have all the hobbyist sell all their equipment and start taking care of the less fortunate rather than making such a big fuss over nothing. Oh my I'm ranting. Forgive me. Well enough said. Let's start talking about those tree house guys and how they are hurting those poor trees for the pleasure of more wealthy people.

Down
06/30/2013, 12:37 PM
Regardless of right or wrong, these dudes are making a living and there are people out there that what what they want, doesn't matter whether they should want it or not.

If businesses only provided what they "should" and not what the market "wants", we'd never see stuff like this:
http://www.randyclemens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/doubledown.jpg

SpartaReef
06/30/2013, 11:38 PM
actually, the op isn't really a self declared activist of any kind, nor is he an 'armchair' anything ;)

i know the show misrepresents the hobby, the industry, and what's involved, w/ both, to the point of un-necessarily wasting a valuable natural resource for a few dozens of people's wallets. kinda like a puppy mill sponsoring a dog grooming show on pbs, or an abortion clinic giving out classes in infant care. it's obscene.

all i've really done is voice my opinion that it should be taken of the air, and asked any of a liked mind, to join in expressing that opinion.

many of you seem to be making the assumption that i expect my action to have any concrete, tangible results. it's a bit laughable that any assumptions about what my expectations are, are even being assumed/thought about. that's 'all y'alls' silly conjecture :)

(and i have enough of a background in wholesale, retail, and the hobby to be able to discern between the realities of the hobby and industry, and the fantasy that are the 'reality' aquarium themed shows, among which are having worked for one of 'tanked's suppliers for a few yrs, heh ).

2 clowns that know how to work very well w/ acrylic and aquarium building want their 15 min of fortune and fame. fine by me. do it honestly. don't have your finished product leave the distinct impression that the home husbandry and acquisition of these animals is something it's not. very simple concept here. :)

'animal planet' is a whole other ball of wax, and one of dozens of garbage pipelines that never should have made it to the 'ether', like infomercials, qvc, and fox news.and tlc. and bravo. and leno. :P

it's my opinion folks-you think it's silly? fine by me. no one's holding a gun to your head to go visit fakeboo. :)

i'm also a tad flattered that my opinions and (unknown/possibly nonexistent) motives/thoughts interest some of you so much that you're compelled to state strong opinions on something you know nothing about at all, heh (above mentioned motives/thought). it's enlightening, and made my evening. :)

and, 'just clownin', as some here on this bb know, i most certainly have 'beaten my hairy chest' on certain issues that pertain to this hobby, and have been directly involved in trying to change or effect those things through both action and public rhetoric/participation.(including working for a non profit coral conservation group.and many heated threads in rdo's industry forum around '03 and onwards. i've also helped dogs, btw :) so i'd ask you make a small effort to refrain from the absolutely ignorant commentary on what you think you know about other people you're commenting on. it would help you score debate points ;)

don't ever forget that your box's inhabitants ultimately came from an ocean that isn't going to be able to keep those creatures alive for much longer-to see them squandered so blatantly, and with the 'blessing' of a 'network' by the name of 'animal planet' isn't exactly something i'd call 'trivial', at any rate.

everyone has their particular pet peeves and causes. the reaction of most of you to the same level of commentary made by many on this thread towards an issue *i* happen to think worthwhile , to any of importance to y'all , would be interesting indeed, i'll bet :)

even more interesting is the apparent sentiment by some that since an issue isn't likely going to get resolved by expressing an idea, one shouldn't express that idea. or that expressing it is therefore laughable, as it's the end outcome only that validates the idea/behavior/'activism'. wow. what would rosa parks have done ? (not to make my issue analogous at all-but you hopefully get the point).

i hope i've been able to clarify a few things that seem to be confusing some here :) if not, tough. ;)



*clap, clap, clap*

No, seriously, that was good. And I respect it.

SpartaReef
06/30/2013, 11:41 PM
Regardless of right or wrong, these dudes are making a living and there are people out there that what what they want, doesn't matter whether they should want it or not.

If businesses only provided what they "should" and not what the market "wants", we'd never see stuff like this:
http://www.randyclemens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/doubledown.jpg

I almost threw up looking at that

A Reef Scene
07/02/2013, 02:03 PM
Are the tanks still running? I have been told by a friend that want there that most of the tanks are not even set up anymore.

alton
07/02/2013, 02:21 PM
Are the tanks still running? I have been told by a friend that want there that most of the tanks are not even set up anymore.

That is normal in keeping aquariums. I see it in my local club, pepole come in with the best ideas, spend a ton of money and in a few years are gone, either cost, or something unexpected forces them out of the hobby. ATM builds the tanks, it is up to the owner to keep up with it.

Dapg8gt
07/02/2013, 02:41 PM
Without reading any one elses comments, I don't think I can agree with you. While the show may be stupid, the team in general knows there stuff and they know if very well. The show is to make money, not to be practical. You are putting waaay too much thought into it...it is just a TV show man. Let it go!! :deadhorse:

Agreed :).. This will do nothing but waste time.. Real world people don't care.. Environmentalists and hobbies care. Also you can tell by the responses in this thread and all the others about tanked and It's not even a 50/50 of people who like or dislike the show Most just really don't care..And as said before there is a lot you don't see, Just look at there supply tanks that are running at there retail store. To me they look like they know what they are doing and care..

It's just a show man and while I don't agree with the stocking choices and cycle in a bottle they actually are quality tank builders. I truly feel you are wasting your time but that's just my opinion.

bepece
07/05/2013, 09:47 AM
If it gets people interested in this hobby and they are smart enough to get educated before they take on responsibility of owning/caring for marine animals, then they are doing good things for our hobby. Seems like a lot of people are able to find the right resources such as reef central to be able to dive in head first and flourish. If you are dumb enough to add water and fish, you are the kid from the fair that won a goldfish brought it home, put it near the window in direct sunlight and wonder why it doesn't swim any more. As a long time hobbyist I was concerned at first, but I think overall it can be good. Unfortunately, more often than not, this gets someone to go to a chain fish store and get even worse advice, the wrong livestock and equipment and we know how that goes.

Overgrown
07/05/2013, 06:59 PM
What if you're disgusted with both Facebook and Tanked

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 04:15 PM
What's the big deal I think tanked is an Awsome show

Imperator
07/07/2013, 05:37 PM
As long as they don't build a tank for the Kardashian's. I would have to draw a line in the sand at that point!

Are you kidding me... That would be Very entertaining!

slief
07/09/2013, 12:55 PM
Regardless of right or wrong, these dudes are making a living and there are people out there that what what they want, doesn't matter whether they should want it or not.

If businesses only provided what they "should" and not what the market "wants", we'd never see stuff like this:
http://www.randyclemens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/doubledown.jpg

Damn!!! I liked that sandwich. They discontinued them around here!

Twistofer
07/13/2013, 11:39 AM
IMHO All y'all (plural for y'all), who have wasted billions of electrons on this topic need to "wake up and smell the coffee." IT'S TV, ENTERTAINMENT FOR ...'s SAKE! Into what has our "educated" society devolved? Can't anyone realize that this is NOT reality? Do you all believe everything you see on TV? I spend enough time filtering out the bias on the evening news, FOX News, CNN, the newspaper (yes, I am still literate enough to read), to worry about a stupid "reality" TV show.

What's even worse, you are advocating censorship...it begins with a stupid TV show...next what will it be, what you can read...and so on.

Twistofer
07/13/2013, 04:49 PM
By the way...

How many of you watch NFL football, a sport that supports a convicted felon of animal cruelty (who, by the way, is a spokesperson for an animal cruelty prevention society, and now owns a pit bull, again), several convicted men of domestic violence and rape, and even pays them millions of dollars? :hmm4: :hmm4:

trae
07/13/2013, 10:15 PM
Hypothetically, Has anyone here ever had a fish die either on the way to them or under their direct care? That could be considered bad practice. If so did you call everyone in the collection chain, or tear your tank down?No, because that would possibly put a hold on fish collection and we love our hobby above all else. there were just no cameras to blow what happened out of proportion. Just my opinion.

Twistofer
07/14/2013, 12:05 PM
Hypothetically, Has anyone here ever had a fish die either on the way to them or under their direct care? That could be considered bad practice. If so did you call everyone in the collection chain, or tear your tank down?No, because that would possibly put a hold on fish collection and we love our hobby above all else. there were just no cameras to blow what happened out of proportion. Just my opinion.

Why hypothetically? A responsible reef keeper would leave the wild fishes in the wild and only use that which is domestically bred. :deadhorse1:

GreshamH
07/14/2013, 01:21 PM
All I have to say before I unsubscribe, this is the internet. For all you know I invented the acrylic that makes the tanks. Everyone on this board claims to be an expert, yet most the people have their heads shoved so far up their I'm better than you so take what I say as gospel *** that reef central has become a joke.

Uhhh yah, we do. logic dictates that if you were Rohm or Haas and formed your business in 1907, your probably dead, and if not, probably not able to type :lol: both are dead.

pmcarbrey
07/14/2013, 01:23 PM
Why hypothetically? A responsible reef keeper would leave the wild fishes in the wild and only use that which is domestically bred. :deadhorse1:
Then every single one of us is irresponsible. i can guarantee that at some point each of us has bought something wild caught.

billsreef
07/14/2013, 01:27 PM
Time to close this one as well...