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Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 03:22 PM
People have been putting the blame on shows like tanked for countless uninformed hobbyist going into the trade but what about petco the biggest chain store of SW fish in the USA probably do u think they should at least give there employees certain training classes or departments to workin so that when these people go to the store they can get proper advice:hmm2:

jimlin
07/06/2013, 03:36 PM
blame should be put on the owners and purchasers of livestock. how is it ok to buy something living without research. shows are made for entertainment and fish stores are there to make money. consumers have to know what they are buying.

Goss
07/06/2013, 03:39 PM
I like Petco's selection of Saltwater. They have been doing a good job compared to the past on care of thier fish and corals.

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 04:39 PM
As much as we would like to think people should do there reasearch most will not most are lazy and will just ask store employees this is y I ask this question

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 04:40 PM
What did the show tanked ever do wrong anyway

gone fishin
07/06/2013, 04:47 PM
blame should be put on the owners and purchasers of livestock. how is it ok to buy something living without research. shows are made for entertainment and fish stores are there to make money. consumers have to know what they are buying.

Well said. This thread should get interesting if past threads are any indicator. I am making popcorn now.

Fishphish69
07/06/2013, 06:59 PM
I think petco has a good saltwater selection. All their fish look healthy and eat. Plus their tanks are crystal clear.

pktech
07/06/2013, 07:09 PM
another petco thread yay

jerpa
07/06/2013, 07:24 PM
What hasn't been said about petco. Here ya go:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2042637

Bratyboy2
07/06/2013, 07:32 PM
I work for petco and I'm also the aquatic specialist. Petco does give us basic training. BUT they really only hire people that have back ground in aquatics. I know in my district all the guys who are head of our departments have or have had saltwater. Most of us have reef tanks and love to educate our customers and I'm the most blunt and honest of all them. I'm not here to make sales. I'm here to find homes with responsible people and if I don't think the people are going to put forth the effort they always end up with a freshwater tank. My theory is this hobby is to much at risk for lazy people.

ati70cutlass
07/06/2013, 07:49 PM
so lets see what tanked has done wrong. they don't state that their hour show happens over days, they don't talk about acclimation, they don't talk about cycling. they portray that it all can happen over an hour.
petco on the other hand. I worked there for a year as a manager and aquatics, you can not do anything to help the fish that petco veternarians say isn't ok. the p&p there really sucks and lacks a lot. you cant treat them, you cant dip them, you can only watch and tell people you cant do squat even though you could save the animal petco says its easier for them to just die.

so my verdict both suck!

woodnaquanut
07/06/2013, 08:15 PM
so lets see what tanked has done wrong. they don't state that their hour show happens over days, they don't talk about acclimation, they don't talk about cycling. they portray that it all can happen over an hour.


That's a little unfair. It's an hour show, not a multi-day show. They very often talk about the time it takes them. Any sane person knows TV is not real even if it's 'REALITY TV'. Have you ever watched any home improvement shows? They do a kitchen in two days!

They have started talking about acclimation. Cycling might not be that big of an issue for them. They can bring in a mature filter system, bacteria additives and all. You have no idea what the maintenance schedule is like.

Remember they do fish only tanks. Get enough bacteria going and you could easily set up a tank in a day. They are pros and have an experienced crew.

For the most part I find the tanks UGLY! And overstocked! The fake coral looks, well, fake. :)

The big issue is when you start the business of telling people what they can't do, you are the same boat as the 'Snorkel Bob' types. TV is easy. You don't like it? Don't watch the show!

Bratyboy2
07/06/2013, 08:17 PM
petco on the other hand. I worked there for a year as a manager and aquatics, you can not do anything to help the fish that petco veternarians say isn't ok. the p&p there really sucks and lacks a lot. you cant treat them, you cant dip them, you can only watch and tell people you cant do squat even though you could save the animal petco says its easier for them to just die.

That's actually not true. Petcos standards have changed. Yes p and p does suck BUT you are aloud to dip them. And you can dose cloat and use melefix. Now I'm not saying these work at all but they can. ALSO when fish come in through our sourses we have the right to send back any fish that we has specialist do not see fit. I have and will always use that to my advantage...my distributor does not question me and I can write to them on my invoice with problems.

fltekdiver
07/06/2013, 08:48 PM
And...... You have to LOVE Petco's dollar a gallon sale !

squishifishi
07/06/2013, 09:02 PM
my neon goby from petco is about the healthiest fish ever. the staff hate me though because they start giving me advice and i tend to contradict them. nobody likes the customer who knows more about your job than you do...;)

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 09:03 PM
It seems like some petcos are better than others the ones around me have people that don't know half a crap about what there doing and there tanks suck I am just saying training systems need to b officially setup so all petcos can b created equal

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 09:05 PM
They also need better tank setup systems and suppliers tons of valueble fish have died that didn't need to because of petcos carlessness

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 09:07 PM
And if they just had a quick scene in tanked that told how long thinks take and educated us a little it would solve everything

rainydave
07/06/2013, 09:30 PM
We have two Petco stores within a 20 mile radius. One is pretty good and I have bought a couple of zoa frags from them. The other store is not so great in the sw department.

rainydave
07/06/2013, 09:31 PM
And if they just had a quick scene in tanked that told how long thinks take and educated us a little it would solve everything

Nah...people would still b*tch about the show.

Quirkyeyes
07/06/2013, 09:34 PM
What else would b wrong with the show then ?

Bratyboy2
07/06/2013, 09:53 PM
They also need better tank setup systems and suppliers tons of valueble fish have died that didn't need to because of petcos carlessness

This I do agree with...the marine land systems are not good for saltwater. Suppliers are only 5 which we can choose from and one being the main one we use...I only use 3 of the 5...I can't give them out but know that Petco does make these vendors go through many hoops and its up to the staff to take care of them.

In our last conference call our district had a very low SHRINK result. Less then 30% for our entire district. That's not bad considering what out P&P allows us to do.

I'm not defending all petcos store. And I can say that in all petcos nation wide stores only 5 have complete availability of fish...and that's from our full list that Petco dwindles down to the sales from the public. They would never bring in orange spot filefish or other animals like that that most intermediate hobbyist couldn't handle. The only thing I have seen on there of surprise was a regal angel and my store can't get them which is fine by me. I'm not even willing to lose that

Quirkyeyes
07/07/2013, 11:59 AM
Do any petsmarts at all have saltwater fish

Bratyboy2
07/07/2013, 12:33 PM
No psp tried it but no luck

Quirkyeyes
07/07/2013, 01:58 PM
What's psp

Bratyboy2
07/07/2013, 04:34 PM
Sorry pet supplies plus

Quirkyeyes
07/07/2013, 10:59 PM
Oh is but what about petsmart

Bratyboy2
07/07/2013, 11:20 PM
No none that I know of

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:12 PM
I wish petsmarts just had a small saltwater section in each store with like brick and mortar type stuff some damsels some live rock and if a store got clearance maybe some coral

Also basic things like peppermint shrimp and clown fish

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:13 PM
I mean so small not even more than like 5 tanks if that

Plus the liverock tank of course

Bratyboy2
07/08/2013, 01:14 PM
That's what Petco sells and any of your mom and pop stores can sell. I don't think that's a nitch Petsmart will ever cover considering petcos are being flooded into the market.

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:17 PM
Don't you think petsmarts will try to eventually compete with petcos

Bratyboy2
07/08/2013, 01:19 PM
I honestly don't know. I have a lot of customers come in a praise our store and many that come out of there way for our services. Its just a matter of time weather they want to compete or not but I would say no

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:20 PM
Plus petcos have more than that simple stuff they have angels dwarf angels tangs triggers lionfish and more at even the worst petcos witch is things I don't think they should all carry or even mostly carry they should leave those bigger fish up to actual fish stores

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:22 PM
Because besides that little stuff I listed before I get just about all my fish from actual fish stores

H.reidi.MN
07/08/2013, 01:26 PM
Pet Supplies Plus my my house does SW and they keep 1 trained person on aquaria stuff, them seem to do an ok job, tanks looks nice and fish seem healthy. Although the other day they had like weighted down bunches of iceberg lettuce in the tanks for food? I was going to say something but kept my mouth shut, why not put some nori in there, iceberg is like 99% water lol

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 01:29 PM
What is pet supplies plus ?

Dapg8gt
07/08/2013, 01:34 PM
Troll or trying to buy/sell.. Mods will catch the post padding.. It's super obvious from your threads and reply..

Bratyboy2
07/08/2013, 02:14 PM
Troll or trying to buy/sell.. Mods will catch the post padding.. It's super obvious from your threads and reply..

I'm lost....we are talking about what the stores sell and whether or not other stores will get involved...if your talking about me...I don't care if you come to my store to look or spend $1000. I get paid the same way no matter what. Its simple advice and chatter

Scooter902
07/08/2013, 02:23 PM
Troll or trying to buy/sell.. Mods will catch the post padding.. It's super obvious from your threads and reply..

I agree troll.

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 07:48 PM
Dose he think I'm trolling , I do like to troll people in real life but I wouldn't do it over a serious forum on stuff i care about I just joined here and honestly don't know some of these a revelations and just have some simple questions sorry if any one has a problem with that :(

Bratyboy2
07/08/2013, 08:17 PM
Dose he think I'm trolling , I do like to troll people in real life but I wouldn't do it over a serious forum on stuff i care about I just joined here and honestly don't know some of these a revelations and just have some simple questions sorry if any one has a problem with that :(

I don't think your a bother at all...its questions...I gave answers... I c no problem

Quirkyeyes
07/08/2013, 08:50 PM
Thanks I just try to bring up valid points and ask honest questions

Megatrev62
07/09/2013, 02:16 PM
Go to your room now!!!!!! lol

Bratyboy2
07/09/2013, 02:46 PM
Go to your room now!!!!!! lol

Lol

Railcar79
07/09/2013, 03:02 PM
I have bought most my fish from Petco, only 1 died. I don't see the big deal.

Bratyboy2
07/09/2013, 08:49 PM
I have bought most my fish from Petco, only 1 died. I don't see the big deal.

The big deal is novice hobbyist don't know right from wrong and truth from a lie when they are dealing with some associates.

I think of it this way...if the tanks are awful then the associate probably doesn't know much.

But that does not always mean anything...some stores like mine are new and still battling everyday nitrate and phosphate problems hence algae...

Colts2Broncos
07/09/2013, 09:10 PM
Don't you think petsmarts will try to eventually compete with petcos

PetSmart used to sell SW but have stopped. Management feel that the way SW fish are caught (many times using poisons to stun the fish) is inhumane and the fish generally end up sick and dying from after effects so they felt it was in the chains best interest to just sell SW accessories, parts, foods, and equipment and leave the fish and corals to mom and pop stores.

Railcar79
07/09/2013, 09:16 PM
Just like every hobby it is the hobbist responsibility to research and learn on their own. Pet stores are like gun stores and auto part stores, some are good, some are bad, most have one or two that they visit, and anyone other than their choice is the scourge of the earth.

Alexraptor
07/10/2013, 09:50 AM
PetSmart used to sell SW but have stopped. Management feel that the way SW fish are caught (many times using poisons to stun the fish) is inhumane and the fish generally end up sick and dying from after effects so they felt it was in the chains best interest to just sell SW accessories, parts, foods, and equipment and leave the fish and corals to mom and pop stores.

Cyanide caught fish are still that common???
I mean I knew it still happens, but I didn't think it was very widespread anymore, given the low quality and yield and lack of ethics of the practice.

billsreef
07/10/2013, 05:02 PM
Cyanide caught fish are still that common???
I mean I knew it still happens, but I didn't think it was very widespread anymore, given the low quality and yield and lack of ethics of the practice.

Still common in the Philippines and Indonesia :(

Dissy
07/10/2013, 06:26 PM
I work for petco and I'm also the aquatic specialist. Petco does give us basic training. BUT they really only hire people that have back ground in aquatics. I know in my district all the guys who are head of our departments have or have had saltwater. Most of us have reef tanks and love to educate our customers and I'm the most blunt and honest of all them. I'm not here to make sales. I'm here to find homes with responsible people and if I don't think the people are going to put forth the effort they always end up with a freshwater tank. My theory is this hobby is to much at risk for lazy people.

No offense, but what a load of hooey. I've gone round and round with Petco's in my state, and the corporate offices, and it's always the same load of garbage. Asked their "aquatic specialist" if she knew the Foxface right smack dab in front was going to be dead within an hour, as well as the 3 clowns in the tank below.. Her response: "Oh, I wonder what's wrong with them. Do you want me to call the store manager?" Well, let's see.. If you do a water change, clean the sand, do something about the solid microbubbles coming out of the pump... that might be a good place to start.

Sorry, but Illinois has some of the worst Petco's I've ever seen.

</rant> :bdaysmile:

Railcar79
07/10/2013, 06:41 PM
No offense, but what a load of hooey. I've gone round and round with Petco's in my state, and the corporate offices, and it's always the same load of garbage. Asked their "aquatic specialist" if she knew the Foxface right smack dab in front was going to be dead within an hour, as well as the 3 clowns in the tank below.. Her response: "Oh, I wonder what's wrong with them. Do you want me to call the store manager?" Well, let's see.. If you do a water change, clean the sand, do something about the solid microbubbles coming out of the pump... that might be a good place to start.

Sorry, but Illinois has some of the worst Petco's I've ever seen.

</rant> :bdaysmile:


The big question is how do you know all this? Petco does weekly water changes, and if you did not do a complete water test on site, you don't know if there was an issue or not. As for microbubbles, they don't matter they are not a threat to fish.

I see this so much on here people hating on Petco, with no real evidence of wrongdoing. Like I said earlier I have bought most my fish from Petco, in 2 different states, and no issue.

Bratyboy2
07/10/2013, 06:46 PM
No offense, but what a load of hooey. I've gone round and round with Petco's in my state, and the corporate offices, and it's always the same load of garbage. Asked their "aquatic specialist" if she knew the Foxface right smack dab in front was going to be dead within an hour, as well as the 3 clowns in the tank below.. Her response: "Oh, I wonder what's wrong with them. Do you want me to call the store manager?" Well, let's see.. If you do a water change, clean the sand, do something about the solid microbubbles coming out of the pump... that might be a good place to start.

Sorry, but Illinois has some of the worst Petco's I've ever seen.

</rant> :bdaysmile:

Maybe in your area but not in mine...and what was so wrong with the fish that she didn't know? Or are you just saying that to them because you hate the chain?

billsreef
07/10/2013, 06:58 PM
As for microbubbles, they don't matter they are not a threat to fish.

Depending on where those bubbles originate from, they can be a major issue or a non issue. For instance, if they originate from air entering the system from the suction side of the pump you will end up with supersatured water that can cause something called gas bubble disease...this would be akin to a SCUBA diver getting the bends. On the flip side, if it's just from water splashing into the surface the tank with enough force to create bubbles in the tank, no real problem other than salt creep.

Dissy
07/10/2013, 07:09 PM
Maybe in your area but not in mine...and what was so wrong with the fish that she didn't know? Or are you just saying that to them because you hate the chain?

The clowns were a combination of a pasty yellow/white and frequently side floating in a corner. The foxface was nose down (yes, down - not up) with it's mouth wide open with very dull color. Oddly, the foxface, and one of the clowns were gone within 2 hours of a rather lengthy call to corporate, and the other two clowns were flaunting a sign that said "Under observation - not for sale".

Why would I hate the "chain"? I adopted both of my dogs from the adoption seminars they hold there, purchase all of my food for all of my animals there, buy some of my supplies there, and occasionally use their grooming services. They simply have no business selling fish.

How do I know this? I work right by one, and frequently go there on my lunch hour. I spent 9 days watching the fish mentioned decline, with nothing being done about it - they couldn't even be bothered to clean the glass, or take the half decomposed previous occupant that was stuck under the turned on it's side fake orange anemone out. Sadly, these are the first tanks you see upon walking in the door - the freshwater tanks on the other are in much better condition.

Dissy
07/10/2013, 07:15 PM
The big question is how do you know all this? Petco does weekly water changes, and if you did not do a complete water test on site, you don't know if there was an issue or not. As for microbubbles, they don't matter they are not a threat to fish.

I see this so much on here people hating on Petco, with no real evidence of wrongdoing. Like I said earlier I have bought most my fish from Petco, in 2 different states, and no issue.

You can change water until you're purple - if you don't siphon decaying livestock, and fish poop out, changing the water is pointless, no?

Microbubbles *are* a threat to fish, if left to continue endlessly. The occasional burst of them isn't an issue.

Colts2Broncos
07/10/2013, 07:39 PM
This was told to us by a fish dept manager at the South Bend PetSmart this past April, so I'm guessing it's still a common practice, just kept a bit quieter...

yrema
07/11/2013, 04:39 AM
Still common in the Philippines and Indonesia :(

Unfortunately, I can attest to that. If you guys think Petco is bad, you should try visiting the LFS here.

Lots of factor are in play here: unscrupulous exporters, antiquated laws that lack enforcement, ignorant fisherfolks and buyers, etc.

Regarding the topic though, you can't just blame Petco or any LFS singly for dead/dying fishes. If there is no market for them, then they won't sell them in the first place. Ignorance on the consumers' part is also a big factor.

Ckyuv
07/11/2013, 03:59 PM
I think petco is awesome, it's what got me into the hobby. Just like tanked, it raises awareness and teaches people about the hobby. If you don't like their lack of knowledge maby you should bring it up to the manager, griping on the Internet won't solve anything

Railcar79
07/11/2013, 04:11 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. If you can do it so much better, launch a nationwide chain of stores with certified marine experts staffing each store, and give it a go

Bratyboy2
07/12/2013, 12:11 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. If you can do it so much better, launch a nationwide chain of stores with certified marine experts staffing each store, and give it a go

And see how much you have to pay them and how much money you don't make!

Dissy
07/12/2013, 04:30 AM
Since neither of you bothered to address anything I stated, in regards to your specific questions, but instead went on an infantile chest thumping spree, I'll just leave it at "boys will be boys", then. Enjoy.

Ckyuv
07/12/2013, 07:53 AM
Since neither of you bothered to address anything I stated, in regards to your specific questions, but instead went on an infantile chest thumping spree, I'll just leave it at "boys will be boys", then. Enjoy.


If your talking about me I was responding to the statement by the op, but to your statements, you have given your opinion about how "They simply have no business selling fish" I don't care to change your mind, if I did I would just be a "boy" on an "infantile chest thumping spree"

For the sake if bringing it back to the topic, the Petco location by me does a great job with their tanks and the aquatic specialist there is a member of our local reef club.

Schmidty76
07/16/2013, 05:11 PM
Petco, like any big box chain has it's good stores and it's bad stores. The one near me used to be fantastic, the aquatic specialist knew his stuff and the fish ALWAYS looked great. He was a good dude and had reef tanks himself. The new guy, while friendly and enthusiastic doesn't do a good job at all. The tanks are covered in algae and there's always dead and diseased fish in the tanks. I have a spotted hawk and green clown goby that I bought there 5 years ago. I wouldn't even consider buying a fish from that particular store today.

I worked at Pet Supplies Plus almost 20 years ago as a stock boy while in highschool. At the time it was basically up to the store as far as what type of livestock beyond the freshwater fish that they carried. We had saltwater until we got a new store manager who didn't want anyone to "have to deal with the hassle" of saltwater.

xrayjeeper83
07/19/2013, 10:27 PM
I'll admit that I haven't read this whole thread, but my person experience is summed up in this pic

Bratyboy2
07/19/2013, 10:56 PM
I'll admit that I haven't read this whole thread, but my person experience is summed up in this pic

Even though I don't agree with you but that picture is funny sh!t

mandarinkristen
07/26/2013, 12:38 PM
Would you buy a dog or cat without learning how to take care of it? No, you wouldn't i think however the blame came go both ways. The customer wishing to set up a tank should research it while the petco or other pet store employee could also ask if they know how to take care of their new pet. What scares me however, is one of my LFS sells sick fish constantly for very cheap and hobbyists continue to go back and buy sick fish. its a vicious cycle unfortunately.

unreal45
07/28/2013, 01:07 AM
Is that an unaltered photo? HA HA it is funny either way. I have had both good and bad experiences with Petco. I refuse to buy saltwater fish at Petco though due to too many sick fish in their tanks.

xrayjeeper83
07/28/2013, 09:36 AM
Honestly I don't know, but my picture. Found it on a sure called chive

Dmorty217
07/29/2013, 08:49 AM
Cyanide caught fish are still that common???
I mean I knew it still happens, but I didn't think it was very widespread anymore, given the low quality and yield and lack of ethics of the practice.

That's why you should buy fish labeled as Indo or Philippines because all of those fish were collected with cyanide

Dmorty217
07/29/2013, 08:50 AM
* Should NOT*

Dmorty217
07/29/2013, 08:53 AM
Petco online gets the same fish from the same supplier as LA, so before everyone starts to shovel dirt on petco online, which isn't the same as a store for petco. Do some research. They have for instance Sohal tangs for 70$, the same fish at LA is 349.99$ so you do the math

alton
07/29/2013, 10:04 AM
You take your chances with petco online
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2315801

BAETech2004
07/29/2013, 11:42 AM
Petco is like any other chain store... Take Napa, or Advance Auto parts for example. While you run into people who know their stuff sometimes, places hire people who aren't experts. Imho, it is the responsibility of the consumer to do research as well on any purchase, repair, or needs apart from employees. It isn't realistic to think there are enough experts in the world to hire at the wage they can pay....

syrinx
07/30/2013, 02:32 PM
My understanding of gas bubble is that it is called by supersaturation due to temp change or pressure changed effecting the saturation of oxygen. While I could envision some irritation or problems with micro bubbles, I do not think gas bubble is an issue. Think of all the fish in sumps that protien skimmers dump into- that water is saturated to the maximum it can be given the temp and ambient oxygen available. I could be wrong-I havent taken the time to look it up- but that gets to my point.

Bill is a very experienced and veteran reefer- and I myself have been a reefer since before that term related to aquaria! If either of the other of us were working at petco-and gave our differing opinions on the cause of gas bubble- would the other rant online about the fairy tales being told at petco? Every store has a different staff- there is good and bad. If you do not like the way they do business- do no business with them at all. Fish keeping is all a matter of degrees- you think petco is unethical, and the next person up the chain thinks you are unethical for your keeping of fish- or the keeping of any animal when you get to a certain point.

Twistofer
07/30/2013, 05:21 PM
:deadhorse: Can we give this a rest...:debi: :deadhorse1: :headwally:

FlipToast
08/15/2013, 10:38 PM
Its where the pets go...to die. At least around my parts. Its not rare to see an anemone smashed with a rock and kept under ambient lighting

GreshamH
08/16/2013, 12:21 AM
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They have started talking about acclimation. Cycling might not be that big of an issue for them. They can bring in a mature filter system, bacteria additives and all. You have no idea what the maintenance schedule is like.


Granted this only came about AFTER they came out with a product line.

They are NOT service people, they are tank manufacturers. Their tanks are serviced by others, and routinely set-up by others.

GreshamH
08/16/2013, 12:25 AM
Still common in the Philippines and Indonesia :(

snf Vietnam and a few other places. Bali & Indo are the worst offenders now. PI is not nearly as bad as 20 years ago. Places like Cebu tend not to see any CN at all.

Quite often what hobbyists think is CN damage is simple CoC damage (chain of custody starvation/ handling, etc)

woodnaquanut
08/16/2013, 04:39 PM
Granted this only came about AFTER they came out with a product line.

They are NOT service people, they are tank manufacturers. Their tanks are serviced by others, and routinely set-up by others.

I agree. Not many customers would be willing to have them fly out for the consult, fly out again for the install and fly to LA to pick out the livestock. It's a TV show after all.

In the other show, FTKs, the 'reef geek' doesn't wear glasses in real life! I think it's racist to put glasses on the asian dude that doesn't need them! Shame on you, NatGeo!

woodnaquanut
08/16/2013, 04:44 PM
snf Vietnam and a few other places. Bali & Indo are the worst offenders now. PI is not nearly as bad as 20 years ago. Places like Cebu tend not to see any CN at all.

Quite often what hobbyists think is CN damage is simple CoC damage (chain of custody starvation/ handling, etc)

Thanks for the info, Gresh. I read a while back a test was being developed for cyanide captured fish. Wonder what happened with that?

I'm always amazed that any creatures make it thru CoC!

Gandolfe
08/17/2013, 05:55 AM
The Petco by my house is giving saltwater a try again. They filled their tanks last week and I haven't gone back in since to see if they let them cycle or not before putting in fish. I run into the same thing as a past poster said, they get mad when you know more then they do about advice they give out!

ninja66999
08/17/2013, 06:59 AM
i absolutely hate our petco in topeka, cant even look at the tanks! there is nothing healthy about it! there needs to be some sort of law placed for aquatic animals in captivity.

GreshamH
08/17/2013, 01:04 PM
Thanks for the info, Gresh. I read a while back a test was being developed for cyanide captured fish. Wonder what happened with that?

I'm always amazed that any creatures make it thru CoC!

Well, first test Peter developed 20 years ago required the entire fish to be put in a blender. The easy run around was to hold the fish for two weeks prior to testing. Legally it didn't have much weight as decaying leaves can release the same byproduct the test looked for. I've got a dozen or so of the test certificates someplace.

Second one Peter and crew worked on, the recent one, did not require the blending of the entire fish, but the same run around could be applied. The test had its faults as well, and again, not much legal weigh behind it.

Now granted I could be recalling this wrong, but I doubt it :)

Ligershark
08/18/2013, 08:01 PM
they all seem to be hit or miss with proper care

MAVX
08/21/2013, 01:10 PM
About a month after I left the store I worked at, apparently they lost 2k worth of livestock from an ich outbreak.

I still get calls asking for help :lmao:.

Mpek
08/23/2013, 08:14 AM
Do any petsmarts at all have saltwater fish

Not that I know of. Petco is alright but their fish employee's are.... children who don't know what they're talking about.

kv2wr1
08/26/2013, 02:38 PM
About a month after I left the store I worked at, apparently they lost 2k worth of livestock from an ich outbreak.

I still get calls asking for help :lmao:.

This is exactly what happened to a local Petco that I used to go to. Local reef club members worked there and the fish & corals were healthy. When the key people started to find other work and left one by one, the livestock suffered greatly. I won't go to the said store now.

HumbleFish
08/31/2013, 09:08 PM
I went by my local Petco today to buy an algae pad; and of course, I had to wander over to their s/w fish section. Everything looked terrible as usual; in particular a Dot Dash Butterfly was breathing very heavily and didn't look like it had long left to live. It could have been ammonia (they just recently setup their s/w section), or maybe parasites in the gills (all the other fish were rubbing).

My wife was sorta pleading with me to buy it & "save it". It wasn't that expensive - $27 or so. But I didn't do it for a number of reasons - I don't need to setup another QT right now, and I don't want to support Petco anymore than I have to (they are the only ones around me who sell the acrylic algae pads I use). Also, even if I was successful in treating it - what am I gonna do with a Dot Dash Butterfly? I have a reef.

But I've been thinking about that damn fish all day long now. Wondering how it's doing/did it make it/could I have saved it's life? Damn you, Petco!!! :(

peasofme
09/01/2013, 08:20 AM
griping on the internet accomplishes a lot actually. petco and tanked are both awful for the hobby. spreading ignorance and death.

Maivortex
09/13/2013, 08:44 PM
That's actually not true. Petcos standards have changed. Yes p and p does suck BUT you are aloud to dip them. And you can dose cloat and use melefix. Now I'm not saying these work at all but they can. ALSO when fish come in through our sourses we have the right to send back any fish that we has specialist do not see fit. I have and will always use that to my advantage...my distributor does not question me and I can write to them on my invoice with problems.

It is foolish to send fish back. You are exposing an already sick fish them to days of shipping, ammonia etc. When you have tanks full of disease, why dont you treat the tanks before customers start walking in and grabbing copper of the shelf and treating them for you. The
"aquatic specialist" is a joke, the aquatic specialist at my local petco does not know that a 40G breeder is 40 gallons and thinks they are stock when piles of these tanks are lining the walls. These people could be trained even if the turnover rate was high, its not rocket science.

Bratyboy2
09/13/2013, 08:53 PM
I'm not saying all specialist are created the same...but I can say that I know when my tanks are good and when they aren't. We treat outside of p&p to better cure the fish. I don't allow fish in my systems that are half dead from a 8 hour journey. If they are simply just stressed I get them in there as quick as possible and give them a place to hide and turn the lights off to help them better. Don't group all of us together because its not fair

carlso63
09/13/2013, 09:40 PM
2 comments -

1) When I lived in NY I recall the Petco SW section as pretty bad... out her in UT, however, they are actually pretty decent - other than the display tanks being so small...

But, then again, we are also fortunate enough to have some truly outstanding Marine and Reef LFS' out here as well... but the 3 Petcos I have been to all have at least 2 people on staff who know enough about SW to be helpful and not ignorant...

2) How does "Tanked" spread death? First off, they install tanks for rich folks who are not going to ever install or maintain their own aquariums anyway. After the ATF guys leave, I'm sure a pro maintenance guy takes over... I'd bet that, despite the cheesy fake corals and stuff, their tanks are better maintained than most in the hobby. Besides, it's a 1 - hour show about BUILDING AND SETTING UP cool custom tanks - NOT a 'how to' instructional video series...

RandoReefer
09/14/2013, 04:40 AM
i absolutely hate our petco in topeka, cant even look at the tanks! there is nothing healthy about it! there needs to be some sort of law placed for aquatic animals in captivity.

+1 ninja66999!

I can't bring myself to go in there anymore. The Manhattan, KS Petco, on the other hand, is GREAT! They have a GREAT frag tank, and four rows of four stacked livestock tanks that are well maintained.

They have two professional staff who both are avid hobbyists, and provide SOUND advice for people just starting. I've since outgrown the Petco scene in terms of supplies and livestock choices (except CUC), but they are always great resources for questions.

These two employees also offer tank sitting services on the side. Of course this doesn't help you in Topeka, but if you are looking for something in particular or you want something ordered... Call them up.... True professionals.

scubakid3
09/18/2013, 09:43 AM
While I have read this thread and agree and disagree with some of the stuff on here, I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. I knew there was a Petco by me, but i never needed to go there because i have been working at my LFS for over a year. I heard they had saltwater fish so i decided to take a quick look. The first thing i noticed as i walked in was overcrowded tanks, freshwater and saltwater. At least 15-20 (medium sized) fish in 5-10 gallon tanks. Ich was present in about 50 percent of all of the freshwater tanks and all of the tangs in the saltwater section were either dead or dying from it. I noticed they were doing some corals, but they looked very sick. I asked the "aquatic specialist" what the lighting situation was like and what the water chemistry was. He had no idea what the water chemistry was like and he said they used compact florescents. I looked under the hod of the tanks and almost all of them were clearly old and dying. Probably the worst thing I saw there was a green haddoni almost completely melted. I asked the guy how long it was in there for and how long it has been in there in the state which it was in. Apparently it got there two weeks ago and started dying after the second day. They hadn't even done anything to save it. I left disgusted and I have not gone back since. This is just my experience. There might be some excellent Petcos, i am not denying that, but the one by me is atrocious. And that is my two cents. Feel free to agree or disagree.

peasofme
09/18/2013, 09:54 AM
99% of them are atrocious

Twistofer
09/19/2013, 07:42 PM
:deadhorse: Can we give this a rest...:debi: :deadhorse1: :headwally:

NO MORE -- PLEASE!!! :uzi: :furious: :thumbdown

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, DON'T PATRONIZE THEM (THAT MEANS "DON'T GO INTO THE STORE, DON'T SHOP THERE, DON'T GO NEAR THERE, ETC, ETC, ETC.

GET IT???

rainydave
09/19/2013, 07:52 PM
no more -- please!!! :uzi: :furious: :thumbdown

if you don't like them, don't patronize them (that means "don't go into the store, don't shop there, don't go near there, etc, etc, etc.

get it???

+10000!

kupadupapupa
09/19/2013, 07:55 PM
I like Petco, not only do they have a good selection of saltwater fish but they can special order fish/corals. The guy at my Petco orders things for me from live aquaria, blue zoo, etc... at a discount and it comes out cheaper for me that way them it would be ordering from them myself.

HarlequinTusk
09/20/2013, 04:44 AM
And if they just had a quick scene in tanked that told how long thinks take and educated us a little it would solve everything

I agree, sort of like the old G.I. Joe cartoon. They'd spend a half hour (minus commercials) fighting and blowing up things. Then they'd have a 20 second section at the end where they'd have G.I. Joe give a PSA (public service announcement).

Ex: Boys are playing hide and seek and one of them hides in an old abandoned fridge. "Don't hide in the fridge." "Remember, never get in anything that could close up on you and trap you." "Thanks, G.I. Joe, now we know!"

rainydave
09/22/2013, 01:50 PM
I agree, sort of like the old G.I. Joe cartoon. They'd spend a half hour (minus commercials) fighting and blowing up things. Then they'd have a 20 second section at the end where they'd have G.I. Joe give a PSA (public service announcement).

Ex: Boys are playing hide and seek and one of them hides in an old abandoned fridge. "Don't hide in the fridge." "Remember, never get in anything that could close up on you and trap you." "Thanks, G.I. Joe, now we know!"

Something like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeO9SM0b7ek

AB1002
09/22/2013, 03:22 PM
Knowing Is Half the Battle (GI Joe PSA Endings)
http://www.joeheadquarters.com/joeendings.shtml

SaltWaterAdam
09/22/2013, 03:46 PM
This thread is about as pointless as arguing a vegan about eating meat...smh

Reeferz412
09/23/2013, 06:46 AM
This thread is about as pointless as arguing a vegan about eating meat...smh

It's an equation we omnivores balance. Make up for the meat they don't eat, everyone is happy! Plus, the OP no longer exists so I doubt this thread serves much purpose.

sledge760
09/23/2013, 11:53 AM
Second time I tried fish from Petco. A month ago I bought two Heniochus Butterlfies. Both had ich within two days. Had to treat with copper. Same thing the first time I bought from Petco. Fish had ich within a day or two. Never again.

Calappidae
09/23/2013, 02:07 PM
My petco has been getting maxima clams in.. and guess what lighting they have? 1 atinic bulb... one employee there admits how bad everything care and concern wise of the fish is. Every single fish has ick in their tanks and I asked the manager why and they said "Well..(pause for 10 seconds...).. all fish got ick, there are sites like drsfosterandsmith, and thatpetplace, well everysingle fish you buy from them and everyone else has ick"... blackmailing other companies? Sorry but thats wrong... last I checked they never got ick in their tanks and actually treated it... also healthy fish don't catch it as easy and they had some hardy clowns and dragonets with ick... everyday there are dead snails and coral banded shrimps laying in their tanks..

They also had a scooter dragonet in their tank with some fake gravel... and a fake coral.. I asked "What are you guys feeding it" and they said "pellets'... and thats how I ended up with two scooter dragonets... and a sailfin tang..

historyjunkie
09/24/2013, 09:53 PM
I don't know how or why if all the tanks at my local petco are plumbed together or what but every fish in every tank had ick and they were still for sale. I almost felt like grabbing a bottle of medication from their shelves and dropping some in their tank. This was last week mind you at the petco in howard beach new york...

H.reidi.MN
09/24/2013, 10:56 PM
Ya today was depressing . I went to one LFS and they had a starving scooter blenny with no pods to eat and a small tank with like 4 tangs and 3 had one tiny little kole eye half beat to death on the corner so I went off on the person in charge. Since i was in the mood already I stopped by the closest petco on the way back and at first glance I thought the saltwater fish looked half decent. Then upon inspecting each tank for a good while each fish was covered in ich, in had them pull maybe 4 dead fish, and they even had a fricking ritteri in a tank with a half burnt out bulb. It looked half decent still but I told the lady if it dies its going to be toxic, and with all my lighting j wouldn't even dare keep one let alone under a burnt out t5

trae
09/25/2013, 06:34 AM
My petco has been getting maxima clams in..
They also had a scooter dragonet in their tank with some fake gravel... and a fake coral.. I asked "What are you guys feeding it" and they said "pellets'... and thats how I ended up with two scooter dragonets... and a sailfin tang..


I know this seems like the right thing to do but you help more by not buying sick fish. Buying fish like this alerts the manager to order one more of each because they sell quickly. Also, it sends a message that the consumer will buy these types of fish in any condition.

CHG107
09/25/2013, 07:16 AM
The petco in my area is wonderful. Knowledgeable staff, healthy fish and a beautiful coral tank. I purchased two Snowflake clowns from them 5-6 months ago, and a yellow watchman about 3 months ago and they are all healthy as can be. Got the snowflakes on sale for $30 a piece :)

Calappidae
09/25/2013, 07:25 AM
I know this seems like the right thing to do but you help more by not buying sick fish. Buying fish like this alerts the manager to order one more of each because they sell quickly. Also, it sends a message that the consumer will buy these types of fish in any condition.

I'm the only one that buys. I see your point, but I won't watch animals starve or slowly die from ick when I could save their lives. Now I can't as my tank is over stocked so business is done from me.

H.reidi.MN
09/25/2013, 09:37 AM
Ya I have a hard time just letting that go on. I need to start a fish rescue service and buy the sick fish and turn them around and sell them back to good fish stores where they will be taken care of and go to a decent home.

HumbleFish
09/29/2013, 05:10 PM
I visited my local Petco today and came away with a different perspective. The two employees I spoke with (one was a manager) seemed to truly care about the s/w fish and they were somewhat knowledgeable. For example, the manager knew one of the fish had Ich and what to do about it (copper treatment). Problem is she didn't have the equipment she needed to separate some of the tanks into treatment tanks. So, I think what happens is good employees at Petco get constrained by corporate. They are trying to make the place "idiot proof", and there is no wiggle room to improvise when needed.

Calappidae
09/29/2013, 11:28 PM
It not just that, but the employees are sometimes not even trained for it.. one of the employees at my petco said "we can't sell discus they are just too hard.." and yet they have a s/w department..

Also where are they getting their fish from? My lfs never once had a disease problem or outbreak while petco had sick fish from day one...

Calappidae
10/24/2013, 05:37 PM
Well... today I questioned the manager about why all the fish have ich.. and the reply I got was..



All fish at any LFS have ich to some degree, it will go away on its own or if you treat it, we have a copper medicine on our shelves.


Yeah.... I don't think so...

ifarmer
11/04/2013, 09:15 PM
petco is good.
I got my foot wet in this hobby thanks to Petco.

Paden
11/10/2013, 11:57 AM
Petco sux big time.Ask them where their hospital tank is, if they have one it it probaly would have triggers and gobys together.Some petcos no longer sell SW fish because they can not make a profit.

NiTr0x911
11/27/2013, 01:52 PM
So I admit I didn't read all 4 pages of this thread but I have seen so many Bash Petco threads I know how they go. Anyway, I agree MOST Petco's shouldn't sell SW Fish. Where I live their kept in the same condition as most of yours. BUT. About 3 years ago I was In Atlanta and went into a Petco and was Blown away by The amount of Sw fish and corals and the incredibly well systems and knowledgeable staff they had. The place was packed out with ppl buying fish and coral. You would think somewhere along the way Petcos main Office would see the difference in this particular store and make changes to all.

Fishfirst
11/30/2013, 01:44 PM
That is because good stores like this are short lived as company policies and crappy pay burn out employees who care... I was once written up by a manager because I disagreed with corporate higher up that medication kills more animals than it helps... my store was well taken care of but I would get extremely frustrated when corporate would dump 12 lunar wrasses, 6 pilot fish, 6 huma triggers, 3 volitan lionfish, and a bunch of bleached anemones onto our order without considering who I was selling to (mainly people with invertebrates and small fish) or consulting me as to if I even had space in the system for these fish.

FullBoreReefer
12/01/2013, 01:53 AM
My PETCO is full of ich also. Usually a few dead fish in some tanks. Some starved looking fish. Some beat up. Corals in the overflow, bleached colors, retracted and just ill looking.

I've seen new arrivals they get. Nice stuff until it hits their tanks. Unfortunate...

Spyderturbo007
12/03/2013, 07:08 AM
I need to start a fish rescue service and buy the sick fish and turn them around and sell them back to good fish stores where they will be taken care of and go to a decent home.

That sounds like a great idea. I'm in. :thumbsup:

Fishfirst
12/04/2013, 04:40 PM
That sounds like a great idea. I'm in. :thumbsup:

So you encourage them to buy more fish and get them sick and die... great idea...:debi:

Spyderturbo007
12/05/2013, 06:05 AM
So you encourage them to buy more fish and get them sick and die... great idea...:debi:

They wouldn't be dying if we rescued them. :uhoh3:

Besides, it was just a post indicating that both H.reidi.MN and myself feel bad about the way the fish are treated and wish there was a way we could help the little guys. It wasn't meant to be serious, so you can take your :debi: and condescending remarks somewhere else.

H.reidi.MN
12/05/2013, 10:01 AM
Ya man. They are gonna buy fish to replace the dead ones or the sick ones they sell to unfit homes anyway. Rescuing them wont change anything other than give a sick dying fish a chance at survival. Plus if I have the space and time to do so I will as I believe it does more good than harm. They're fish come no matter what, doesn't matter who is buying the fish they won't stop they're ways...

fishfreak2009
12/05/2013, 10:37 AM
For what it's worth, I've bought multiple fish from my local petco for my tank. Not a spot of disease on any of them, no problems through quarantine, and cheap compared to my LFS. Can't really complain when they get ORA fish at half the price, and every time you spend $100, you get $5 back (also get dog food, tortoise food, crickets, $ per gallon tanks for my dart frogs, and dog toys there).

They even have a decent variety of fish, and honestly, some of the fish look much healthier than those of some of my LFS (where every fish you bring home dies within 48 hours and is absolutely covered in velvet and flukes).

H.reidi.MN
12/05/2013, 12:11 PM
I use sickness to get a deal. Last back I got was my flamback, coris wrasse, and diamond goby. Pulled the manager aside and noted to dead fish and obvious disease (ich) and used it to get a 50% discount so... Even though I rarely stop or shop at Petco I'll give a few sick fish a second chance at life if I can.

Fishfirst
12/08/2013, 08:26 AM
They wouldn't be dying if we rescued them. :uhoh3:

Besides, it was just a post indicating that both H.reidi.MN and myself feel bad about the way the fish are treated and wish there was a way we could help the little guys. It wasn't meant to be serious, so you can take your :debi: and condescending remarks somewhere else.

:headwalls:
If you knew corporate policies for ordering fish I am sure you would have a different opinion. You are only encouraging more fish to be sent there. For every fish you buy 1.5 more fish suffer... congrats

Spyderturbo007
12/08/2013, 09:53 AM
:headwalls:
If you knew corporate policies for ordering fish I am sure you would have a different opinion. You are only encouraging more fish to be sent there. For every fish you buy 1.5 more fish suffer... congrats

Perhaps you have reading comprehension issues so I'll attempt to be a little clearer this time.

IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.

So take your holier than thou attitude and your condescending smilies somewhere else.

Fishfirst
12/08/2013, 10:02 AM
Perhaps you have reading comprehension issues so I'll attempt to be a little clearer this time.

IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.

So take your holier than thou attitude and your condescending smilies somewhere else.

:celeb1:

billsreef
12/08/2013, 10:48 AM
[flamealert]...

amlights
12/08/2013, 02:43 PM
It's not Petco's fault. Yes, maybe it would be nice if their employees were more knowledgable but AQUARISTS need to do their research. You don't go to the grocery store and ask the employees there about nutrition facts. I hope you've done your research before you start looking at cars to buy. LFS usually have more knowledgable help because many of those employees/owners keep their own tanks, but it's the AQUARISTS responsibility just as much as it is Petcos. Especially with the variability and the amount of information to be known in this hobby.

Mark9
12/09/2013, 10:20 AM
I have bought 5 fish, 2 snails and 1 shrimp from Petco, they are all alive, no deaths.
A different fish did have flukes, but it came in on a fish not bought at Petco.

feh
12/12/2013, 06:07 PM
I don't even buy supplies from Petco.

Reeferz412
12/16/2013, 11:11 AM
They always have sweet deals on clown fish. Bought my maroon clown there as a juvenile almost 3 years ago. I spent a good deal of time watching their behavior, fins, asked the associate to feed the fish and I chose my ideal clown. Been with me ever since. Fiesty little guy.

Biotopes
12/16/2013, 05:59 PM
What did the show tanked ever do wrong anyway

Here we go ;)

Tanked is CONSTANTLY overstocking, they don't let tanks cycle and they use "additives" i.e. chemicals and nutrients that are said to make tanks cycle instantly, which is obviously not true. Or for tanks they will buy the 4.4 gallon containers of premixed saltwater saying that "since it's straight from the ocean, its tank ready!"

Plus, they killed two sharks in their Applebee's tank, and then denied it. Then they came back and said they did, but it wasn't their fault.

I have stopped watching the show because they have little knowledge of fish, just building tanks with acrylic.

Calappidae
12/16/2013, 11:37 PM
Here we go ;)

Tanked is CONSTANTLY overstocking, they don't let tanks cycle and they use "additives" i.e. chemicals and nutrients that are said to make tanks cycle instantly, which is obviously not true. Or for tanks they will buy the 4.4 gallon containers of premixed saltwater saying that "since it's straight from the ocean, its tank ready!"

Plus, they killed two sharks in their Applebee's tank, and then denied it. Then they came back and said they did, but it wasn't their fault.

I have stopped watching the show because they have little knowledge of fish, just building tanks with acrylic.

A little off topic since this is turning into a anti-tanked thread rather then petco.. but they are still connected companies and I got a few things to point out so why not..

I've seen so many uncompatible fish put together.. that one giant smoothie cup tank had 3 different types of clowns in it.. they even showed one nip the other in a quick half a second camera shot when they finished building it..

What about the tank they built for their new office? They intentionally added a butterfly fish (the butterflies that resemble morish idols) which is suspose to represent one of the cast, to pick on the other cast a.k.a. fish.. To add a fish that's intended to pick on the others.. :facepalm: (was actually shown picking on a puffer..).

OH and this is the best one.. if you look at the petco youtube channel, the two main characters created a tutorial in a video on how to setup tanks.. when they got to the saltwater one, there was a yellow tang in what appears to be a 30g bio-cube.. :fun2: Ok so from that video I learned that you put any fish you want in the tank.. I feel so sorry for those not on reef forums or lack a good lfs..

Meanstreet5150
12/27/2013, 04:32 PM
I was at my local Petco today and watched them sell a whole new 40 gallon breeder set up to an older gentlemen. And they sold him everything at once, the sand, live rocks, damsels, an anemone, and clowns. I told the guy buying it, it is all gonna die. The Petco slob got upset with me, but oh well. I can't believe the management actually allows this type of stuff.

flyingclay
12/30/2013, 01:41 PM
I bought some of my first fish at petco. It was a grand opening and I got a yellow tang and it is still with me, I also bought a pajama cardinal and it died a month ago. Both live at least 7 years and the tang is still going. I have gone in recently and now I probably would not buy any SW from them. They have closed down 1/3 of the SW tanks and the others have dead fish in them when I go in. Thats my .02

Rancherlee
12/31/2013, 07:12 AM
Good place to buy QT/Sump tanks! The one that somewhat near me (50 miles) seems to go through cycles which I'm sure is employee change out. Sometimes all the displays look very well kept and maintained, others I should have brought an algae squeegee so I can actually see whats in the tanks. The Petco issues seems to be more employee "I get payed crap so I don't give a crap" related than anything. Petco and the LFS (both about 50 miles from me) are my only 2 choices and the LFS is priced through the roof on everything. Last time I swung into the LFS they had Small Flame Angels for 99$ "on sale", a TINY hippo tang for 79$, and buckets of Reef Crystals for 95$...... Hench most of my purchases are now online.

faithenfire
01/24/2014, 07:47 AM
i don't usually buy from petco. the one near me, i am not impressed with the quality of the tanks. i did buy an extra large cleaner shrimp from them though, he was very pale. but he was what the lfs charged for a little baby cleaner shrimp.

He is doing great in my tank. got his color back and likes to pet my gobies with his attennae

bluekoi
01/27/2014, 01:52 PM
You know, what it really all boils down to is the people that Petco hires at the various locations. In our area, we have access to several LFS that range from 1) tell you anything to get you to buy something, to 2) really work with you and help you build something that will be a healthy habitat for your aquatics. Petco.... I honestly called the Petco customer service line about one of our local Petco's and described how poorly the marine fish were being taken care of......amazingly enough, they now have a new saltwater manager and the tanks are run by a really nice kid (I call a lot of people "kid" - I'm old) :) who is clearly knowledgeable and cares about his charges. We've ended up buying really underpriced scooter blennys and just a week ago, a dwarf zebra who is just beautiful and acclimating to his/her new home well.
There's good and bad everywhere. As the person buying - it's our responsibility to research and make good decisions and if needed, point out something going south and/or bad advice from a Petco or even a LFS store employee.

Reef This
01/27/2014, 10:27 PM
Nah...people would still b*tch about the show.

My wife and I were in Las Vegas and my son loves the show, we went in there and met Nick, and talked for a while. I mentioned that I was interested in inserts as I am gone often for work, and he graciously invited us back later that night, took us in back, we met the crew and had a long conversation with him. At the time I was setting up a 220, and with work, I simply don't have the time to dedicate that I'd like, so I chose inserts. They built them, shipped to Alaska, and we've kept in contact. Good people, and awesome experience.

That 20 foot tank in the casino was a 4 1/2 month deal, not a 2 week build like the show made it to be. He told us how dramatized things are for the show, but very few things are rushed, and just thrown together. They don't do things that way.

DSPs
01/28/2014, 12:14 AM
Buying stuff from petco is fine as long as you buy it the same day they receive the shipment, Iv got great deals at pecto because they price everything wrong majority of there employees don't know any better lol, petco in my town has a pretty nice store but petco is petco and I would never buy something that has been there more than a few days

melvinakshay
02/05/2014, 06:07 PM
Petco sells the fish at a pretty low price compared to other LFS. In some instances at half price and also they do have sales often and that makes it even cheaper. I've got mixed reactions about the staff knowledge though. Some of them are really knowledgeable and some use live aquaria for information. The thing I like about their staff is that they always tell me upfront if they know about the fish or not.

After spending some moolah on the fish - I realized that the fish I bought from petland had a very high survival rate compared to petco. Petco has no guarantee on saltwater fish :(

I can't support local fish stores when they charge exorbitant prices. So it will be petland/petco for live fish.

Paden
02/06/2014, 06:40 PM
Petco near me sux so bad that they are not allowed to sell any SW at all! Buying any thing from petco is BAD.The boy I met from their magnet store is even worse!

Da Maui life
02/18/2014, 03:27 PM
IMO, the consciences is Petco has both knowable and inadequate employees, clean and dirty stores. Our Petco has a knowable employee for the SW dept who really cares and tries his best. With that said I think we can find many LFS who are just as bad, or worst then any Petco and I don't see many people complaining about them.


This place is like dungeon very dark half the lights over the tanks are off or donít work and really no filtration to speak of on the system.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/mauilife/2013-11-19104112_zps2e390e00.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/mauilife/2013-11-191041191_zpsdb4dd6d4.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/mauilife/2013-11-19104306_zps936a1398.jpg

firebirdude
02/20/2014, 07:22 AM
You know, what it really all boils down to is the people that Petco hires at the various locations. In our area, we have access to several LFS that range from 1) tell you anything to get you to buy something, to 2) really work with you and help you build something that will be a healthy habitat for your aquatics. Petco.... I honestly called the Petco customer service line about one of our local Petco's and described how poorly the marine fish were being taken care of......amazingly enough, they now have a new saltwater manager and the tanks are run by a really nice kid (I call a lot of people "kid" - I'm old) :) who is clearly knowledgeable and cares about his charges. We've ended up buying really underpriced scooter blennys and just a week ago, a dwarf zebra who is just beautiful and acclimating to his/her new home well.
There's good and bad everywhere. As the person buying - it's our responsibility to research and make good decisions and if needed, point out something going south and/or bad advice from a Petco or even a LFS store employee.Bullseye. Petco hires young people and has frequent turnover. So nationwide, you get a huge mix of everything. Some employees don't know jack and don't give a rat's arse. Some have three saltwater tanks at home and have been in the hobby longer than you have. My local Petco is the latter. The manager is a great guy. Tanks always look spotless, never once seen a trace of disease on any fish, always has a good selection of fish AND corals (mostly softies, but I've seen chalices and the like), and he will order anything you want and keep it in the bag waiting to be picked up if you like (if you're worried about it being introduced into the Petco tanks). The prices are always reasonable and once in awhile you stumble across a great deal. ~6" carpet nem for 21 bucks anyone?

And then sometimes you get tanks like Da Maui Life has posted. Craziness.

Da Maui life
02/20/2014, 10:00 AM
I pointed out the dirty tanks, sluggish fish (photo above) and the employees comment was itís normal and we clean the tanks every week. This place is family owned and in business since 1979 what a joke.

Betta132
02/20/2014, 02:16 PM
Our Petco tends to be pretty decent in the fish department. They usually have reasonably clean tanks, albiet with a bunch of algae in some, and the fish are well-kept. Plus, all the algae eaters actually get fed algae!

baws187
02/21/2014, 12:54 AM
The fish at Petco here always have ich and one side shares all the water and if ones got it then they probably all have it.

macaw1us
02/24/2014, 06:42 PM
What he said..

Both are irresponsible in my opinion


so lets see what tanked has done wrong. they don't state that their hour show happens over days, they don't talk about acclimation, they don't talk about cycling. they portray that it all can happen over an hour.
petco on the other hand. I worked there for a year as a manager and aquatics, you can not do anything to help the fish that petco veternarians say isn't ok. the p&p there really sucks and lacks a lot. you cant treat them, you cant dip them, you can only watch and tell people you cant do squat even though you could save the animal petco says its easier for them to just die.

so my verdict both suck!

fishlee
03/02/2014, 01:38 AM
Occasionally they have good things

Norcalhkr
03/17/2014, 09:33 PM
I think Petco is just like any other LFS, it all depends on the people working there. There are good places and bad just like with the LFS, some have great employees/owners while others are not very good and the shop shows. The same can be said for the local petcos, all depends on the people