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Pseudo69
08/18/2013, 02:02 PM
I am in the middle of an upgrade from a 60g to a 120g SPS tank. I was running a Vertex Omega 150 on my 60g and loved it but didn't think it could handle the 120g bio-load and wanted to try 2 more skimmers before settling on one.

I want to try the Bubble King Double Cone 180 with RD3 pump and the SKimz SM163 DC skimmer.

I got the skimz a week ago..

Skimmer test on my 60G cube

Day one

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130805_174955_zpsefa2cad6.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130805_174955_zpsefa2cad6.jpg.html) 3Hours later http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130806_071054_zps33886fb9.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130806_071054_zps33886fb9.jpg.html)

8 hours later

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130807_204038_zpsfa560240.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130807_204038_zpsfa560240.jpg.html) 24 hours later http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130813_081124_zpse7ebc3f4.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130813_081124_zpse7ebc3f4.jpg.html)

This might be a keeper :strange:

Pseudo69
08/18/2013, 02:09 PM
I thought it was small when I first took it out of the box but it is rated at 320g which I think is bull but it is working well.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130805_172717_zps2c28661a.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130805_172717_zps2c28661a.jpg.html) http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130805_172726_zps64d9750c.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130805_172726_zps64d9750c.jpg.html)

scuzy
08/18/2013, 02:12 PM
I love these skimmers I have the sm253 in my 210

Pseudo69
08/18/2013, 03:03 PM
A buddy of mine has been telling me about them for a while now. The price and specs were good so I decided to give it a try. The only thing that is lacking is a drain tube which I think all skimmers should have. That is going to be rectified easily though. The skimmer is dead silent whereas the Omega 150 had a slight hiss and hum to it. The construction is not as bulletproof as the Omega but comparable and well made. Instructions are limited but very easy to figure out since it is only a simple skimmer. Overall I like it but wish I got the bigger one.

ksed
08/18/2013, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the report. I could be wrong but looks like the Omega's reaction chamber appears to be more dense with air than the Skimz?

Pseudo69
08/18/2013, 04:59 PM
It is and I think that is where I think the Omega goes wrong. With such a small body and neck, I think the turbulence is too great to keep a consistent foam head. It took over a week to break in and tweaking to get it there.

This skimmer has 1200lph on high setting same as the Omega but a wider body. So it looks like it doesn't foam up as much but it does. Setting it up took all of 5 minutes and I left it alone ever since. Also to adjust the air intake on the Omega you had to have your hand in the water to mess with the volute. This has a nice top mounted adjustment knob. Adjusting the water flow is done with the controller and the gate valve has its own knob too.

No more holding the skimmer to turn the flow tube or stuck tubes that you have to pull out and then start the adjustments all over again.. This has finer adjustments that make this skimmer a pleasure. As good as the Omega was, it should have been designed better for ease of use and adjustments. It was like a Ferrari on regular gas!

Buzz1329
08/19/2013, 07:21 PM
Great review.

I was thinking this would be overkill for my 75 but based on the results you got when you tested it in your 60, maybe it would work on a heavily stocked 75?

Also Can you explain the purpose of the controls?

TheReefKeeper
08/19/2013, 08:22 PM
It is and I think that is where I think the Omega goes wrong. With such a small body and neck, I think the turbulence is too great to keep a consistent foam head. It took over a week to break in and tweaking to get it there.

This skimmer has 1200lph on high setting same as the Omega but a wider body. So it looks like it doesn't foam up as much but it does. Setting it up took all of 5 minutes and I left it alone ever since. Also to adjust the air intake on the Omega you had to have your hand in the water to mess with the volute. This has a nice top mounted adjustment knob. Adjusting the water flow is done with the controller and the gate valve has its own knob too.

No more holding the skimmer to turn the flow tube or stuck tubes that you have to pull out and then start the adjustments all over again.. This has finer adjustments that make this skimmer a pleasure. As good as the Omega was, it should have been designed better for ease of use and adjustments. It was like a Ferrari on regular gas!

So I agree with you on the turbulence of the omega and I'm thinking of dumping mine already! I was one of the fist people to get one and this morning the skimmer woke my wife up due to noise just an annoying humm so its time to search for a new skimmer the thing is just loud period not liking that fact at all never really did!

I have 3 fish on the tank it's on 70 total gal and I don't think it's keeping up at all. I have phosphates and nitrates and all SPS very little sand and blow the rock weekly with a 5gal WC so I'm thinking its just time to dump it looking at the new double cone BK or this the Omega is falling short big time IMO it's good for a 30-50 gal at most.

mark54321
08/19/2013, 10:00 PM
Skimz skimmers rock, I own the SM201 and it is a beast. Dead silent too.

Psionicdragon
08/20/2013, 12:13 AM
cute design :P

Whats your bioload at currently? I am debating about getting this for a 20 fish (mostly wrasses and anthias) SPS tank.

Pseudo69
08/20/2013, 02:42 AM
Buzz, the controls are simple. In the second pic, The little screw on the clear chamber is for the air intake. You can adjust for more or less air into the volute. On the right is the adjustment for the gate/ flow valve which you can adjust the level of water inside the skimmer. The last thing is the remote control for the DC pump itself which allows for the amount of water intake into the skimmer. Very simple, easy and fine adjustments can be made with this skimmer.


PsionicDragon,

My stocking is quite heavy for the 60g so this skimmer has to really work it's butt off. 5" DSB, 80lbs of LR, 4" Sailfin, 3" flame angel, 3" Niger trigger, 3" coral beauty, 3-4" damsels x 3, fire fish, 2 mated coral crunchers, 1 snowflake clown, and 2 x 4-5" mated Darwin clown fish. 2 RBTA's, 11 x 5"-10" Acan colonies, torch colony, 40 sps frags and 25 sps colonies ranging in size from 3" to 10" tables. Monti colonies range in the 4" to 13" size and inverts and stuff. So I would say it's stocked and fed heavily.

I bought all the fish at 1"-2" and they all grew. So I am upgrading and thinning out the herd.

At the end of September I will be testing out the Bubble King Double Cone 180. But I think this will be hard to beat with all the features and price than a $1200 dollar skimmer can offer. It better come with an Italian beauty to set it up for the extra $800!!

BTW, This skimmer is DEAD SILENT!! It is right next to my head and I cant hear a thing. I am loving this thing... My Tunze are louder and I can only hear the slight click of the propeller when it pulses every hour. (so I mean I don't hear it at all)

HTH

Pseudo69
08/20/2013, 02:58 AM
Just for reference, This is a FTS from 3 months ago. I haven't had time to snap a new one, so everything has grown.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/Deep%20Blue%2060G/20130408_172453_zps1743651a.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/Deep%20Blue%2060G/20130408_172453_zps1743651a.jpg.html)

ksicard
08/20/2013, 04:29 AM
No wonder the skimmer pulled out so much gunk, thats a pretty well stocked tank. How does the Omega compare to the skimz?

wildman926
08/20/2013, 04:53 AM
It is and I think that is where I think the Omega goes wrong. With such a small body and neck, I think the turbulence is too great to keep a consistent foam head. It took over a week to break in and tweaking to get it there.

So I agree with you on the turbulence of the omega and I'm thinking of dumping mine already! I was one of the fist people to get one and this morning the skimmer woke my wife up due to noise just an annoying humm so its time to search for a new skimmer the thing is just loud period not liking that fact at all never really did!

More air is not always better. I used to think more air was better. It is, up to a certain point, until it makes your skimmer become erratic and/or overflow or not skim properly due to too large of bubbles in the body. It has to balanced, to the maximum efficiency.


As you can see, I stated that in the OMEGA 150 Thread (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2239695) when it came out, that more air is not always better. A well balanced skimmer will always outperform a skimmer that draws too much/little air.

TheReefKeeper
08/20/2013, 05:44 AM
As you can see, I stated that in the OMEGA 150 Thread (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2239695) when it came out, that more air is not always better. A well balanced skimmer will always outperform a skimmer that draws too much/little air.

Yea agreed 110% I was saying this in the omega thread I knew the pump was not a match for the size of the body the day I plugged it in. Best skimmer is still an old EuroReef grest body pump matching system ever.

Fyi lol
Day two wife is complaing about the omega's noise after 7-8mo. It has not quite down a bit in fact gotten louder this this is gone this week I've had it.

ksed
08/20/2013, 06:14 AM
Yea agreed 110% I was saying this from day one in the omega thread and knew the pump was not a match for the size of the body the day I plugged it in. Best skimmer is still an old EuroReef grest body pump matching system they had.

Fyi lol
Day two wife is complaing about the omega's noise after 7-8mo. It has not quite down a bit in fact gotten louder this this is gone this week I've had it.
what are u thinking of getting next

TheReefKeeper
08/20/2013, 06:29 AM
Considering this or one up from it I was looking at the Leopard I think it's called by Skimz. Possibly the double cone BK since I hate the BK Mini's had one and hated it.

wildman926
08/20/2013, 08:58 AM
Yea agreed 110% I was saying this in the omega thread I knew the pump was not a match for the size of the body the day I plugged it in. Best skimmer is still an old EuroReef grest body pump matching system ever.

Fyi lol
Day two wife is complaing about the omega's noise after 7-8mo. It has not quite down a bit in fact gotten louder this this is gone this week I've had it.

Is your impeller ok? There have been problems with the impeller of those skimmers.

I can not say enough good about my AquaMaxx EM series skimmers. They are dead silent, and pull out crud efficiently.

Pseudo69
08/20/2013, 11:16 AM
Omega wet skim 5 Days worth

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/Deep%20Blue%2060G/20130421_004246_zpsf8c0f878.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/Deep%20Blue%2060G/20130421_004246_zpsf8c0f878.jpg.html)
8 Days drier skimming

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130307_144112_zps37840ab5.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130307_144112_zps37840ab5.jpg.html)

The Omega I had in 9" of water which I found to be optimal. Once I got it set I left it alone and it worked well but if you touched it then you had to wait a long time to see if it was set correctly and working properly.

Mine was almost silent I cleaned it 3 times since I owned it and I like the easy disassembly. I just really recently heard complaints about noise and the impeller going bad. I had none of those issues and I got one of the first pre-order batches through Premium Aquatics. IF it is making a lot of noise take it apart and clean it and check to see if the impeller is loose or too far out hitting the volute. Make sure the impeller is seated properly.

HTH

TheReefKeeper
08/20/2013, 08:02 PM
I agree I got one of first ones shipped too like #3 and cleaned the pump yesterday and its no better it's just a constant humm noting malfunctioning at all I feel it's just the rigid tube going from the pump to the skimmer body vibrating on the bottom of the sump just annoying they really should have used some silicone tubes to connect the powerful pump to the skimmer body. I get the same type of skimmate as you may be even a little darker I just want something ded silent really. So would you say this is quieter then the omega a lot or a little.

scuzy
08/20/2013, 08:36 PM
The dc pump skimmer is super quiet

Buzz1329
08/30/2013, 07:28 PM
Hey Pseudo69,

What's the sump level for this thing.

Thanks/

Pseudo69
08/31/2013, 01:14 PM
Mine is at 9" level but it goes from 5" to 10".

Buzz1329
08/31/2013, 04:39 PM
Thanks Pseudo69 re sump level.

I ordered mines from Aqua Cave last night (10% off for Labor Day sale) and can't wait to get it up and running.

BTW, kudos for Aqua Cave for giving consumers 10% off the purchase price rather than a store credit toward future purchases. Also love AC for calling me in advance to discuss options when I have ordered something and there is a potential problem.

Pseudo69
08/31/2013, 06:17 PM
Enjoy that one. Wish I got 10% off :(

Psionicdragon
09/01/2013, 10:28 AM
Enjoy that one. Wish I got 10% off :(

you can :P theres a few places doing a Labor Day Sale

TheReefKeeper
09/01/2013, 10:55 AM
Where did you see the AC coupon code?

Psionicdragon
09/01/2013, 01:33 PM
Its on AC's section of the forum.

TheReefKeeper
09/01/2013, 05:02 PM
Mine is at 9" level but it goes from 5" to 10".

So u still like the skimmer? Is it still quiet and stil better than the vertex in your opinion?


Thanks Psionicdragon

Pseudo69
09/02/2013, 01:06 AM
I love this skimmer. Still exceptionally quiet and still working on my tank. Not as much gunk coming out as before so I think it took out all of the stuff the Omega didn't. I do get a consistent brown to dark brown skimmate. I am also having better polyp extension since the water is cleaner. Good benefit :)

TheReefKeeper
09/02/2013, 10:33 AM
I love this skimmer. Still exceptionally quiet and still working on my tank. Not as much gunk coming out as before so I think it took out all of the stuff the Omega didn't. I do get a consistent brown to dark brown skimmate. I am also having better polyp extension since the water is cleaner. Good benefit :)


Nice Thanks

Buzz1329
09/06/2013, 02:40 PM
I set mine up this afternoon and had a few questions about the "Micro-adjustable valve."

1.I don't see how this valve can control the height of the water in the skimmer since it does not seem to connected with the outflow from the skimmer? Where does the water flow out of the skimmer?

2. The set-up instruction say to "Close the micro-adjustable valve until the skimmer water level is between the bayonet and bottom of the collection cup." But when I close or open the micro-adjustable valve, it has no effect on the water level in the skimmer?

What am I missing here?

Thanks,

Dukester
09/06/2013, 02:47 PM
I set mine up this afternoon and had a few questions about the "Micro-adjustable valve."

1.I don't see how this valve can control the height of the water in the skimmer since it does not seem to connected with the outflow from the skimmer? Where does the water flow out of the skimmer?

2. The set-up instruction say to "Close the micro-adjustable valve until the skimmer water level is between the bayonet and bottom of the collection cup." But when I close or open the micro-adjustable valve, it has no effect on the water level in the skimmer?

What am I missing here?

Thanks,

the water outflows under the pump, the valve is closing a gate which restricts the output and vice versa. they arent talking about the air valve, they are talking about the big white valve attached to the acrylic rod on the other side. it works great i have a sm161 which is identical minus the DC pump.

Buzz1329
09/06/2013, 04:13 PM
the water outflows under the pump, the valve is closing a gate which restricts the output and vice versa. they arent talking about the air valve, they are talking about the big white valve attached to the acrylic rod on the other side. it works great i have a sm161 which is identical minus the DC pump.

Thanks, I understand they're talking about the big white valve attached to the acrylic rod, but after three hours tightening and loosening it has no effect whatsoever on the water level in the skimmer, which is sitting in 8" of water with the adjustable pump controls set on maximum.

So far the water level in the skimmer has not budged. It's still new, of course, so I'll give it more time to break in, although I'm concerned by the apparent inability to control the level of water in the skimmer.

Mike

Buzz1329
09/07/2013, 10:57 AM
Just figured out what I was doing wrong. Skimmer is now performing.

Pseudo69
09/07/2013, 12:02 PM
Don't tell me you had the little clear acrylic spacer on the top of the knob instead of under the knob? I did that too and couldn't understand why I couldn't adjust the water level. Now have fun :)

Buzz1329
09/07/2013, 12:17 PM
Don't tell me you had the little clear acrylic spacer on the top of the knob instead of under the knob? I did that too and couldn't understand why I couldn't adjust the water level. Now have fun :)

Exactamongo!:hmm4:

Pseudo69
09/07/2013, 12:46 PM
How does it look so far? It working okay for you? Silent right ..

Buzz1329
09/07/2013, 02:04 PM
Dead silent. After 3 1/2 hours, there is a thick head of light brown foam bouncing around at top of collection cup. So it looks good so far, thanks.

Buzz1329
09/07/2013, 07:13 PM
Turned the return pump off while feeding a cube of mysis shrimp soaked in selcon in the DT. 15 minutes later, before turning return pump back on, I noticed that skimmer was overflowing. Go figure. I'll be keeping a closer eye on it over the first few days.

Pseudo69
09/07/2013, 07:21 PM
Yeah selcon will make the skimmer go nuts. Also let the bubbles start to break right at the beginning of the cup for a few days. It wont overflow that way and it will break in nicely and still skim. That's how I did mine. After a week or so I adjusted the bubble level higher.

psidriven
09/16/2013, 10:30 AM
any pix of the coral crunchers? those are my top 5 favorite fish.

Pseudo69
09/16/2013, 04:18 PM
These are a mated pair. They nest in the pocillipora colony.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130916_175641_zps953c2478.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130916_175641_zps953c2478.jpg.html)
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130916_175546_zps0e36813c.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130916_175546_zps0e36813c.jpg.html)

psidriven
09/17/2013, 10:44 AM
nice. where did you get them from? don't see them offered often in recent years.

Pseudo69
09/17/2013, 03:05 PM
I origianlly got my pair from Liveaquaria that was supposed to my paired but never seemed to stay together. Then 1 died due to hurricane Sandy. I had a lfs order me another one and they paired up and now lay eggs in that colony and never seperate. The eggs get eaten by a poccilipora crab and a six line. Very shy at first. Only ate Rods reef food and meaty diet pipe fed for the first 6 months. But now eat Hiakari Marine S and A supplemented with Rods Reef and nutrimar Ova. NO FISH BOTHER THEM. I guess they know they are poisonous.

ojonas81
09/20/2013, 03:39 PM
Have had the skimmer running for a few days now and holy micro bubble hell. Should the skimmer shoot out a ton of micro bubbles from the water exit or have I assembled it incorrectly?

Buzz1329
09/20/2013, 05:48 PM
Have had the skimmer running for a few days now and holy micro bubble hell. Should the skimmer shoot out a ton of micro bubbles from the water exit or have I assembled it incorrectly?

Yikes. I'm still trying to dial mine in but no micro bubbles. I have the plumbing skills of a gibbon, but I'd break it down and reassemble it from scratch. Maybe Pseudo69 can provide some useful advice?

FWIW, I'm happy with the skimmer so far, even though I'm still struggling to get the sewer sludge that Pseudo69 can coax from his skimmer, but I have to admit that I'm having fun experimenting with the various combinations of the air valve, the gate valve, and the pump controller.

Good luck,

ojonas81
09/20/2013, 09:52 PM
Wondering if I have the skimmer in too deep water? I have the pump on three bars and the output gate fully open. What water height do you have it in and what are you using as measuring points?

Pseudo69
09/21/2013, 12:29 AM
What depth do you have the skimmer in? Also did you assemble the gate valve correctly? The little acrylic tube goes under the white skirt where the handle goes and then screws into the gate block.
I never had micro bubbles at all. I have my skimmer in 9" of water. I am only using the gate valve for adjustments now to raise or lower the water level. Start with the air valve fully open and the pump on high. Adjust the water level in the skimmer so that the white frothy bubbles are breaking at the base of the skimmer cup. Let it settle in for an hour or 2 to see if you get a froth or skim head.

Hey Buzz,

Post a pic of where you have your water line at. Mine is right at the beginning of the neck and the air wide open with the pump on the highest setting. The bubbles break earlier and get drier in the neck and go into the cup. That is how I got the sludge.

I now have the bubble in middle of the skimmer cup because I am so nutrient low. I just emptied my full cup after a week with dark skimmate but not as sludgy.

That is 1 hour after cleaning

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130921_021540_zps7f0ae859.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130921_021540_zps7f0ae859.jpg.html)http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130921_021507_zps20fd80e8.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130921_021507_zps20fd80e8.jpg.html)

This is my water level and bubble line level

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130921_022529_zps5169121d.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130921_022529_zps5169121d.jpg.html)http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/20130921_022405_zps6b60ec90.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/20130921_022405_zps6b60ec90.jpg.html)

No Micro bubbles



I hope this helps. Let me know if you want any specific pictures and I will post them.

ojonas81
09/21/2013, 07:41 AM
Thanks for the pictures. Still no resolution for the micro bubble issue though. Tried to play with the settings but nothing seems to help. I will either overflow the collection cup or just get bubbles half way up Going more than 3 bars on the pump power means immediate collection cup overflowing. DO I have the skimmer too deep? That is the only thing I can think of. Have attached pictures below. As you can see, I have a ton of bubbles around the pump itself which I am not sure I should have?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9jbnQtcRL-4/Uj2gXlJJpRI/AAAAAAAABSY/kKS1zMS3MKI/s800/_MG_0182.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EpSuqHKqS2s/Uj2gZRtSvRI/AAAAAAAABSg/5cdwxivOpnc/s800/_MG_0183.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PkLee-1Vv68/Uj2gbTOCG4I/AAAAAAAABSo/KA577pwBRfI/s800/_MG_0184.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BIagcO_jrhI/Uj2gdcebv0I/AAAAAAAABSw/WFNm1VXpVwM/s800/_MG_0185.jpg

wayne in norway
09/21/2013, 12:51 PM
I don't have one of these but id remove some of the egg crate and lower it. Them it's harder forbubbles to get down to the exit pipe

Buzz1329
09/21/2013, 01:55 PM
"Start with the air valve fully open and the pump on high. Adjust the water level in the skimmer so that the white frothy bubbles are breaking at the base of the skimmer cup. Let it settle in for an hour or 2 to see if you get a froth or skim head."

Extremely helpful Pseudo 69! I'll give this a try. Thanks again.

Pseudo69
09/21/2013, 02:28 PM
You don't have your gate valve installed correctly. You placed the acrylic spacer on the top of the white skimmer skirt with the knob instead of under it. That is why you cant adjust the flow and are having problems.

Look at the first picture I posted of my skimmer knob and then look at yours. Your gate knob is not flush with the white part of the skimmer. You cannot make fine adjustments and the water is rushing out of the skimmer because the gate is too far open.

re assemble it and try it again.

Buzz1329
09/21/2013, 03:11 PM
You don't have your gate valve installed correctly. You placed the acrylic spacer on the top of the white skimmer skirt with the knob instead of under it. That is why you cant adjust the flow and are having problems.

Look at the first picture I posted of my skimmer knob and then look at yours. Your gate knob is not flush with the white part of the skimmer. You cannot make fine adjustments and the water is rushing out of the skimmer because the gate is too far open.

re assemble it and try it again.

Good catch. That’s exactly what I did initially. But it looks like in the 4th photo of post 50, ojonas81 has 2 spacers – one below and one above the white skimmer skirt?

Pseudo69
09/21/2013, 04:25 PM
Yeah looks weird but it isn't right. The water level looks fine though.

Buzz1329
09/21/2013, 04:58 PM
Have had the skimmer running for a few days now and holy micro bubble hell. Should the skimmer shoot out a ton of micro bubbles from the water exit or have I assembled it incorrectly?

So I'd remove the spacer/nut that you have above the white skimmer skirt and keep the one below the skirt. FYI, I don't think that the sump water level is causing the micro-bubbles, but mine is at 8.5".

Good luck,

ojonas81
09/21/2013, 05:15 PM
Here is a video showing the skimmer going from power off to full blast on the pump with fully opened air intake. This is nuts.

<iframe width="960" height="720" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/FyiwMBNKMyU?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Link for you Tapatalkers: http://youtu.be/FyiwMBNKMyU

ojonas81
09/21/2013, 05:22 PM
Here is a close up of the output and thew bubble hell I am having.

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Link for you Tapatalkers: http://youtu.be/6ozhYJ70sP8

ojonas81
09/21/2013, 05:24 PM
So I'd remove the spacer/nut that you have above the white skimmer skirt and keep the one below the skirt. FYI, I don't think that the sump water level is causing the micro-bubbles, but mine is at 8.5".

Good luck,

The nut is under the "skirt" and not above it. Pictures may not show that very well.

Buzz1329
09/21/2013, 06:51 PM
The nut is under the "skirt" and not above it. Pictures may not show that very well.

In the photo I referenced earlier, is there not a nut/spacer above AND below the skirt? The photo seems to show that very well or am I blind?

And in the first (Zapruder) video you subsequently posted the nut/spacer is definitely not, as it should be, flush with the bottom of the skirt and seems to be separated from the bottom of the “skirt” by the same smaller nut that was visible in the photo? Maybe the photo and video were taken from the grassy knoll, in which case I apologize.

ojonas81
09/21/2013, 08:21 PM
In the photo I referenced earlier, is there not a nut/spacer above AND below the skirt? The photo seems to show that very well or am I blind?.

Don't remember moving the nut but I won't swear on it either. :-)

The nut is right now under the skirt and the gate seems to operate the way it should. Still all the bubbles though. :-(

Pseudo69
09/23/2013, 02:52 AM
Can you give me some tank parameters? Yeah that looks nuts. Age, contents and such. Anything added that would make the skimmer go crazy. Can you take a close up pic of the the gate valve assembly. It wasn't really clear in the movies you added.

ojonas81
09/23/2013, 07:49 AM
Looks like the bubble nightmare has stopped or at least slowed down a little. The tank is just in the beginning phase of its cycle. Was fully operating with water about 10 days ago. 150 gallon with 40 gallon fuge. No algae or anything has shown up yet.

Will see if I can add a better picture of the gate valve assembly later today.

Buzz1329
09/26/2013, 06:44 PM
I removed the egg crate stand from under the skimmer so it's now standing in 9.5" of sump water. BIG difference. Gold skimmate has turned brown, even after opening gate valve to reduce water height in skimmer.

Interesting that I'm getting better results by reducing flow on pump from 5 to 4.

Pseudo69
11/07/2013, 05:13 PM
Moved the SM163 over to the 120g setup and it is still working like a champ. Not dark as the other tank because everything is new (sand and rock) and less organics. But it is still nasty and smelly. I think I saved myself $1200 bucks.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/120g%20Reefomania%20Rimless/20131104_172355_zps4f5b1e70.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/120g%20Reefomania%20Rimless/20131104_172355_zps4f5b1e70.jpg.html)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll220/Brugal_photos/120g%20Reefomania%20Rimless/20131104_171829_zps081d20b1.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Brugal_photos/media/120g%20Reefomania%20Rimless/20131104_171829_zps081d20b1.jpg.html)

moondoggy4
11/07/2013, 08:09 PM
Is this tank under the Spectra? So I guess you are not missing the Speedy Bubble King skimmer?

Drae
11/07/2013, 08:52 PM
That skimmer is a perfect fit for a 120. 6.5" diameter and supposedly up to 1200 lph of air pull. No upgrade will be necessary imo.

Pseudo69
11/08/2013, 12:37 AM
Yep, I finally got to use both of my Spectra's :-). I really wanted to get the BK but rather spend the money on corals especially since the skimz it's working so well.

fewponds
12/01/2013, 03:32 AM
Regarding bigger model SM203, what pump speed would be the most effective? I just have reduced it from 3rd to 2nd "gear", the reason was very long (5-6 hours) skimmer work "recovery" time after some changes in the aquarium (like cleaning etc.) or even removing the cup (!). Now it seems it is better but second speed means less air...

Pseudo69
12/01/2013, 04:11 AM
I always have mine on 6 (high) no reason to lower it. Mine recovers fine from cleaning and doesn't even care if my hands are in the tank. Heavy feeding knocks the head down for a few hours though but when it kicks in it really skims the water. When I lowered the speed down to 4-5, I did get a drier foam head but then I just lowered the water level on high and got the same effect.

fewponds
12/03/2013, 03:21 AM
Has anyone measured the real amount of air taken by this pumps (DC3000, DC5000) on different speeds?

invertinoob
01/02/2014, 11:05 AM
do you run the dc pump all the way up one your 60?

invertinoob
01/02/2014, 11:11 AM
uh i guess i should have read a few lines up lol!

droog
01/14/2014, 08:14 PM
I'm looking for this SM 163, where to buy? It seems strange... skims.sg website seems to be listing very old models (SM 161?) and no mention of the SM 163. There is someone about a new Oval skimmer, is this a replacement for the 163. Very confusing...!

-droog

Indiana Reefin
01/14/2014, 08:27 PM
Omega 150 is plenty IMHO

Pseudo69
01/15/2014, 12:31 AM
Aquacave.com

natas
01/28/2014, 07:14 PM
I got one of these units and it skims great. I do have an issue tho. I am getting bad microbubbles coming from where the ventura connects to the pump. I am going to take it out tonight and see if I can get it more snug.

natas
01/28/2014, 08:30 PM
Well I wrapped some plumbers tape around the ventura piece and that stopped the microbubbles from that area. However I noticed a good amounted coming from the bottom (where the water is released) where the previous poster had them. Mine are no where near as bad but enough to annoy me and get in the display tank.

invertinoob
01/29/2014, 01:50 AM
im running this on a 54 gallon corner and it skims really dark...great skimmer imo!

Lakelivin
02/06/2014, 02:18 PM
Just installed the 163 in my sump today and I'm in the process of tuning it in. I'm having a bad microbubble issue and was wondering for those who had/have the problem what you have done to fix the problem.

I did not get any instructions with my skimmer but found some online that are not very detailed. The piece that connects to the pump just "pops" in and does not have any threads or real way of tightly securing it. Is this by design or should it be secured somehow?

natas
02/06/2014, 03:03 PM
Mine just popped on. I put a little bit of plumbers tape on mine because I had microtubules coming from it. That solved my issue. Btw u can download a pdf manual from there website.

Lakelivin
02/06/2014, 03:25 PM
I took it apart and made sure that the bubble plate was positioned so that the holes in the plate were not above the output of the pump and added the plumbers tape on the ventura connection.

The bubbles have reduced a good bit but there still leaking out. I will give it some time and see if they disappear once it has broken in some.

DV2027
02/12/2014, 05:12 PM
Do you think the sm 203 can handle a 210 w 40 gallon sump moderate to heavy stocked. I am trying to decide between this skimmer and the seaside aquatics ES 2.

Lakelivin
02/13/2014, 09:39 AM
Just thought I would update my results with the skimz sm163. The microbubbles have totally disappeared thankfully. The sweet spot for the controls appear to be the gate valve almost totally closed and the air valve wide open.

invertinoob
03/12/2014, 01:09 AM
im running this on a 54 gallon corner and it skims really dark...great skimmer imo!

I have noticed over time running the skimmer's dc pump on full blast has created a wetter skim. i turned down the pump to half way and after a half hour or so the foam head that formed was much thicker than before. I have been having issues with the skimmer dropping my salinity over the coarse of a day or two. My theory is that when the skimmer is on full, as it catches heavier items it causes more water spill over into the skimmer cup dropping the salinity fairly fast. It is hard to find a lot of information about the functionality of the DC pump on protein skimmers; hopefully this test will help others out.

invertinoob
03/13/2014, 12:57 AM
Here is a quick vid after the adjustment was made to the dc pump. The skimmer was completely clean the day before and now has accumulated some nice dark green stuff rather than water with specks of fish poop!

http://youtu.be/bUKyoIKwLvM

chercm
05/22/2014, 06:08 PM
how is this skimmer stacking up if we are comparing with Deltec 1455 ?

Adrnalnrsh
06/02/2014, 11:01 AM
Anyone use the plastic gasket that came with the nut that goes inside the bubble plate assembly?

Pseudo69
06/02/2014, 06:34 PM
Got a pic?

Adrnalnrsh
06/02/2014, 07:31 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/eze6esy6.jpg

Pseudo69
06/02/2014, 08:06 PM
Yes that goes under the nut for the bubble plate that hold onto the pump. I think it is just used to form a no slip seal and not a water proof gasket.

Adrnalnrsh
06/02/2014, 08:12 PM
Yes that goes under the nut for the bubble plate that hold onto the pump. I think it is just used to form a no slip seal and not a water proof gasket.

looks suspect to me, as it protrudes past the I.D. of the outlet. Anyhow, things are working without it.

Reeftub
06/02/2014, 10:06 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/amaqa4y7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/sebetevy.jpg
I put this sm-253 dc on my 190g and total 230g w/sump and I'm pretty excited it's pulling crap out if the water and I'm just cycling the tankhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/apy8e2y3.jpg
I don't know why more people don't use these bad boys!

moondoggy4
06/02/2014, 11:29 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/amaqa4y7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/sebetevy.jpg
I put this sm-253 dc on my 190g and total 230g w/sump and I'm pretty excited it's pulling crap out if the water and I'm just cycling the tankhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/03/apy8e2y3.jpg
I don't know why more people don't use these bad boys!

Because Skimz left all of there old customers in the lurch with the bad impellers on the previous model. I do hope they get it right and do right on these models.

Reeftub
06/03/2014, 09:48 PM
Yea I did read they had an issue but didn't read they left them hanging.

fewponds
06/21/2014, 11:45 AM
In my SM203 pump is dead after 7 moths of operation... in four year old system... imagine my... "dissapointement"

scuzy
06/21/2014, 12:03 PM
The power supply is what's usually bad not the motor block

fewponds
06/21/2014, 12:26 PM
I have also Jebao pump (playing as spare return) so I was able to check skimmer pump with different power supply and controller and definitely it is dead motor block....

bluecoyote79
10/18/2014, 02:29 AM
I bought the sm163 a month ago and absolutely love it. Completely silent, works great and is highly adjustable. My only complaint is that the pump doesn't have an "off" feature, but that's Jebao's fault not Skimz. I wonder if the pump could be switched with Reef Octopus's RODC3500.

Pseudo69
10/19/2014, 12:50 AM
I have never had a problem with my skimmer pump. I clean mine every 4 - 6 months and no problems. I use my Apex to turn mine off when I am doing work on the tank so I have no issues there. But you can push the button for feed mode to get it to turn off temporarily.

shred5
04/25/2015, 10:02 PM
What size is the neck on this skimmer?

Usernam Invalid
04/26/2015, 03:22 PM
Top of neck dia. is 3 1/2"

shred5
04/26/2015, 08:07 PM
Top of neck dia. is 3 1/2"

Thank you.

Looks bigger..

frequentflyer70
02/03/2016, 04:20 AM
Hi Guys,

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread :crazy1:

What room is requird to remove the collection cup from the skimmer?
I'm thinking of getting the SM163 but it will be a tight fit once I raise it in the sump (sump level runs at 14"). Just want to figure out if I can still remove the collection cup!

Would it be good enough on a medium/heavy stocked 650lt system? I know it's rated at 1200lts....

Appreciate any info :-)

scuzy
02/03/2016, 09:21 AM
It pulls up so about 1.5 to 2 inch

frequentflyer70
02/05/2016, 05:50 AM
Many thanks :thumbsup:

That couple of inches could make all the difference :D