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tom g
08/22/2013, 03:43 PM
hey there reefers need some advice and speed is prob of the essence here
if u guys and gals can comment to help me out here

I have a 90 gal tank 48 x 18 x 24

I have a set of 2 Chinese leds that I purchased off a fellow reefer last year
never used never set them up as my project never got off the ground
so heres my situation I have a chance to upgade to the max spect 27 in
or should I just stick with what I have I paid roughly around 200 and a bit for the Chinese , if I could sell them would I get face value for what I spent .


Model Number:JCX-SZD120W (55x3W)
Input Voltage:AC85~264V
Lumens:5800lm
LED Lifespan:50000h
Power cords Qty:2 Switch
Qty:2 LED Qty:55pcs* Bridgelux 3w led
LED Color:White:12000-14000K,Blue:450nm
The actual power:130W
Output current:630ma Output voltage:3.2-3.4V
hanging Kit

that's the lighting I have

what I want to know is should I try to sell it and just the maxpect
or for what I already have should I just keep what I got
if u guys could help me with a speedy response it would be appreciated
cheers
tom

tom g
08/22/2013, 06:24 PM
anyone!!!!!!!!!!!

ali1
08/22/2013, 06:36 PM
People have the chinese fxtures and are growing mixed reefs fine. Theres a thread with 100+ pages about chinese fixtures. I don't think its wise to go with the maxspect.

Also, the maxspect is not gonna be able to light the whole tank. You will need another one

Stomatopod1701
08/22/2013, 06:50 PM
A 48" photon would grow anything in a 90 for $500.

tom g
08/23/2013, 04:24 AM
Thanks for input.....but trying to find out about the mxpect
Compared to the chinese leds..is it worth me selling the
Chinese leds to get a good deal on the maxpect.or should I
Just stick with what I have.upgrading to the maxspect will cost
Me another 200. I already have the others since last year.but
Did not have a chance to use them....

TopRHarley
08/23/2013, 05:57 AM
Also, the maxspect is not gonna be able to light the whole tank. You will need another one

Definitely correct on this one. I have the 27" 16K Razor on my 29G and works perfectly. No dark areas what so ever. I would imagine that you would need 2 to sufficently light your tank and you will probably have to suspend them higher than the tank mounts do.

Personally I love my Razor but @ $500 a pop, it may not be the most economical lighting solution for larger tanks.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

This is what a 27" razor looks like on a 29G

Lostinthedark
08/23/2013, 06:26 AM
Why spend the money if you dont have to? I had the same chinese lights as you for a couple of years and everything grew fine. With the way Leds are changing on a daily basis I'm sure there will be a new Maxpect razor with full spectrum coming out eventually and then you'll want to upgrade again. As the others said, unless you want shadows on the sides you will need more then one.

Ron Reefman
08/23/2013, 06:57 AM
Thanks for input.....but trying to find out about the mxpect
Compared to the chinese leds..is it worth me selling the
Chinese leds to get a good deal on the maxpect.or should I
Just stick with what I have.upgrading to the maxspect will cost
Me another 200. I already have the others since last year.but
Did not have a chance to use them....

I really, really, really depends on which brand of 'Chinese' led fixture you have and what colors of leds are in it and if it has a controller or dimmers? If it an old ToaTronics or SunSun (even new), sell them for whatever you can get. It shouldn't be too much (sorry). But if they are EverGrow, or ReefBreeders and have multiply color leds and built-in controllers, use them and skip the Maxspect.

Without knowing what you have already, any opinions you get are close to worthless IMHO.

tom g
08/23/2013, 10:05 AM
Guys and thanks....
So general concesses is I will need 2 .27 in maxspect.

How do I tell what brand I have in chinese lights.
2 colors white and blue only.
Non dimmable on and off switches for both whites and blues

Thanks

tom g
08/23/2013, 04:28 PM
so I think what I will do is prob keep the leds I have and try them out
see how they work ..im not getting a huge response and the guy who was gonna sell me the maxpect I cant keep him waiting .
and now if I need two that sort of blows my plans out of the water
u guys think im on the right path here .
cheers confused tom in Toronto

Rarend99
08/23/2013, 04:52 PM
I would get some reefbreeders fixtures! they have great coverage at a inexpensive price

that Fish Guy
08/23/2013, 04:53 PM
Definitely correct on this one. I have the 27" 16K Razor on my 29G and works perfectly. No dark areas what so ever. I would imagine that you would need 2 to sufficently light your tank and you will probably have to suspend them higher than the tank mounts do.

Personally I love my Razor but @ $500 a pop, it may not be the most economical lighting solution for larger tanks.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

This is what a 27" razor looks like on a 29G

I am thinking about getting a Razor for my 29 Gallon.

But I do not like the look of it that High.

Can you lower it to be like 1" over the Aquarium or is that not possible?

I do not want Light Spillage all over the Room like my Kessil gives me either.

I want all the light in the aquarium like i have with my T5's.

Ron Reefman
08/23/2013, 04:53 PM
Tom, if it's only blue and white and has no dimmers, it's older and probably (almost 100% sure) it's only one shade of blue and one shade of white and you won't be happy with it unless it's a FOWLR tank. Newer fixtures just using blue & white where using 2 and 3 different blues and whites which were better. About the same time dimmers came into the picture (and they are way, way, WAY better than a fixture with out dimmers). Then more colors started to get added and those are even better.

I have one just like yours. I used it for a while over my anemone tank, until about 12-14 months ago. Then I got a deal on a used MH/t5 and it was way better. Then in Dec 2012 I got an EverGrow IT2040 and it's great! I moved the old Chinese fixture (mine was TaoTronics) to my refugium. I pulled it from there for a newer unit about 4 months ago. I'm trying to sell mine and will consider myself lucky if I get $50 for it!

Good luck... you'll probably need it. And after you decide you can't keep corals with it, don't think that's true of all led fixtures... yous is just from back when people were just learning what our corals wanted from leds. They want full spectrum colors and dimmers (as a minimum) or built-in controllers. Use them to light your refugium or your sump under your stand, not your DT!

tom g
08/23/2013, 05:11 PM
do u think I will need to max spects to suffice a 90 gallon tank 48 in

matt.fhm
08/23/2013, 05:22 PM
I am not impressed by the razers.. I agree with the evergrow leds.. Many tanks with success can be found with those full spectrum leds

TopRHarley
08/26/2013, 06:57 AM
I am thinking about getting a Razor for my 29 Gallon.

But I do not like the look of it that High.

Can you lower it to be like 1" over the Aquarium or is that not possible?

I do not want Light Spillage all over the Room like my Kessil gives me either.

I want all the light in the aquarium like i have with my T5's.

The only way to get the light 1" over the aquarium with the stock parts would be to suspend it from the ceiling.

The closer it is to the tank, the less light coverage you will get in the tank.

I understand what you mean though. The thing really lights up my room.

I can rest it on my canopy or just slightly higher, if you want to see if it would help and what it would look like.

BAETech2004
08/26/2013, 07:14 AM
After having the LEDs I have now, I wouldn't buy any other brand for any reason. But if your going to buy another fixture, save yourself the headache and buy a 48" Photon. Better controlability and color than Razors, and a better light IMHO. Maxspect makes an ok light, buy missed the mark in a lot of ways.... Photon is the way to go on a budget, period

Ron Reefman
08/27/2013, 11:11 AM
After having the LEDs I have now, I wouldn't buy any other brand for any reason. But if your going to buy another fixture, save yourself the headache and buy a 48" Photon. Better controlability and color than Razors, and a better light IMHO. Maxspect makes an ok light, buy missed the mark in a lot of ways.... Photon is the way to go on a budget, period

+1 Evergrow IT2080 or ReefBreeders32 or 48.

tom g
08/27/2013, 08:35 PM
thanks guys I am looking into these lights ... emails fired off .

here is a pic of my lights that I have now , not sure what use they will be to u guys but will give u an idea of what I have
thanks
tom

Reefer54
08/27/2013, 08:41 PM
ebay. GROW SUN CORAL. Andy will totally customize the leds to whatever you are looking for. The customer service is awesome. the lights are fantastic, and turnaround and shipping is very fast for china.

Ron Reefman
08/28/2013, 04:31 AM
Tom,
see that bright glare coming out from under the led fixtures you pictured in your last post? Compare that to this:

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/RonReefman/P5310001R1_zpsf217d014.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/RonReefman/media/P5310001R1_zpsf217d014.jpg.html)

And even at a lower angle it looks like this:

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/RonReefman/P5310004_zpsc740a735.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/RonReefman/media/P5310004_zpsc740a735.jpg.html)

Try that shot with any led fixture that has glass between the leds and the water... it will have a blinding glare! If you aren't putting the fixtures in a canopy, you should consider these! I switched form 3 EverGrow D120's (same as the RB 'value fixture') to these and wouldn't consider going back.

Newbie Aquarist
08/28/2013, 04:59 AM
Tom,
see that bright glare coming out from under the led fixtures you pictured in your last post? Compare that to this:

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/RonReefman/P5310001R1_zpsf217d014.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/RonReefman/media/P5310001R1_zpsf217d014.jpg.html)

And even at a lower angle it looks like this:

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/RonReefman/P5310004_zpsc740a735.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/RonReefman/media/P5310004_zpsc740a735.jpg.html)

Try that shot with any led fixture that has glass between the leds and the water... it will have a blinding glare! If you aren't putting the fixtures in a canopy, you should consider these! I switched form 3 EverGrow D120's (same as the RB 'value fixture') to these and wouldn't consider going back.

And which type of fixture is this?

Ron Reefman
08/28/2013, 05:18 AM
And which type of fixture is this?

They aren't a sponsor here... yet. But I've been told they will be soon. OK, moderators, please don't ding me, I'm answering a direct question, right?

It's the OceanRevive Arctic S026. They are a distributor for EverGrow (because EG has a full line of fixtures) and OR has this single entry into the market (a basic dimmer only full spectrum fixture).

tom g
09/01/2013, 06:37 PM
ok .........lights are sold so upwards and onwards ..............
now the decision on what to get ,I have approx. 400 dollars to upgrade
for the 90 gal tank ......
I have been looking at a few lights in my price range with some help from u guys
what shall I pick ........suggestions

Annie3410
09/01/2013, 09:22 PM
I have the reefbreeders and LOVE them. I can't stand glare or light spill either, so I built a sweet canopy that matches my stand to house the lights. The LEDs hang from brackets mounted on top of the canopy. There are holes cut in the top above the fans of the fixtures for ventilation.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/02/ymaqyzet.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/02/numyqegy.jpg
The blues are the only thing on in the second pic, and the color is not at all accurate in the pic, so don't let that scare u :)

Ron Reefman
09/02/2013, 04:06 AM
IMHO here are the top 3 choices:

1) 1 EverGrow IT2080 - $450 and a controller (don't spend the extra unless you really want the sunrise & sunset ability of the controllers). I just happen to like it.

2) 2 OceanRevive Arctic S026 - $350 (total) and dimmers

3 2 EverGrow D120 - $320 (total) and dimmers

tom g
09/03/2013, 05:29 AM
Thanks ron.....
Trying to decide on the 2 -16 fixtures or the 32
With the controller ........
Will the 32 cover a 48 length tank and 24 deep
Or should I just get the 16s.
Help me out here guys
Thanks
Tom

Ron Reefman
09/03/2013, 06:33 AM
Tom,

Some, like me, will tell you the 32 will cover the 48" (more or less with some exceptions and conditions). And others will say the 32 isn't long enough. Either way, 2 of the 16's is better, just a fair bit more expensive (assuming you mean 16's with controllers). The basic 16" lights would be less expensive by a fair amount.

tom g
09/03/2013, 10:06 AM
That's where I'm stuck I don't want to order the 32 and have it not
Be enough....
The plus with the 32 is the controller
Where as if I buy two values with no controllers then I don't get the
Option so this is where I'm stuck.... unless I can get some sort of
Controller for both of the value fixtueres....
Or do I re eally need the controllers......
Anybody with a 48 and a 32 fixture on the tank ....

Ron Reefman
09/03/2013, 12:00 PM
Tom, go for the 48" light. That solves your coverage issue and it should be enough to grow most anything, even at 24" deep.

tom g
09/03/2013, 02:46 PM
I didn't see a 48 .... what is the price diff

Ron Reefman
09/04/2013, 06:01 AM
Only Reef Breeders sell the 48" and it's about 10% more than the 32" with the same number of leds just stretched out longer.

Borchers
09/06/2013, 01:03 PM
I recently bought a Arctic SO26 and Bo the dealer is awesome. I mentioned how I don't like the Pink look and he is sending me out the LEDS to remove the following
3.5k and 6.5k LEDs . He's stand up and great service. OceanRevive...sweet!

Lacy
09/10/2013, 10:13 AM
I am not impressed by the razers.. I agree with the evergrow leds.. Many tanks with success can be found with those full spectrum leds
What do you not like about the Razors?

Lacy
09/10/2013, 10:58 AM
After having the LEDs I have now, I wouldn't buy any other brand for any reason. But if your going to buy another fixture, save yourself the headache and buy a 48" Photon. Better controlability and color than Razors, and a better light IMHO. Maxspect makes an ok light, buy missed the mark in a lot of ways.... Photon is the way to go on a budget, period
Why do you say Maxspect missed the mark in a lot of ways? Can you explain?

SaltyGoat
09/10/2013, 11:10 AM
Here's an analysis of the R420r (Razor) light spectrum (16K). I don't see a problem with the spectrum though the 10K and 8K are higher in the 450-700 range.
http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/ReneeFLL/Mike/caac9ad987fc1b1db81da403fa878c93_zps8289dd94.jpg
I'm leaning to getting either 2 160w models or 3 120w models to light my 180 reef (SPS, LPS, clam and softies, tank is 72x24x24).

The reason I'm undecided is the tank has two braces, 24" apart. With the two 160w lights, will the braces cast a shadow? I know they will not with the 120w lights but (con) the cost is higher but (pro) they will provide more PAR.

Oh, one more item, reading Sanjay's analysis, the 160w actually draws 192w and the 120 is higher as well (don't know those numbers).

that Fish Guy
09/10/2013, 12:04 PM
What do you not like about the Razors?

The fact that they give off a Purple Hue.

It does not look right.

I like the Blue look of all the other LED's out there.

The Razor is the only one that I have ever seen that is Purple.