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MacWilliams
09/06/2013, 11:26 AM
So I was at my LFS (In Fort Walton Beach) with the family looking around and went by the fish section and was quite disturbed by what I saw. There was absolutely no water movement in the tanks and they were covered in algae and feces. Most of the fish had some sort of desease or looked overall very unhealthy. At what point do they get shut down for animal cruelty? Does it not apply to fish? They can be kept in this cespool until they die or some poor person purchases one. I know they are "just fish" but i feel bad seeing how poorly maintained this tanks were.

Rant complete.

HumbleFish
09/06/2013, 12:25 PM
If they shut them down, then they'd have to do the same to almost every Petco.

MacWilliams
09/06/2013, 12:44 PM
It's a Petland here in town. Normally their place looks some what maintained. But yesterday it was by far the worse thing i have seen condition wise for a fish.

Dmorty217
09/08/2013, 11:34 AM
I know what it takes for the animal control to come to your house and save the 100 cats or dogs someone has in their 1200 sqft home. I don't believe anyone would ever do a thing. After all when the collection practice of places like the Phillipines is to use cyanide to poison and kill everything, and that's in the ocean. Fish in places like you mentioned don't stand a chance but then again a shark in a 55g isn't any better

Maivortex
09/13/2013, 09:12 PM
I would not call petland/petco or any of the big chain stores a LFS. If that is all you have (myself include) you dont have a LFS.

willyboy
09/22/2013, 03:57 AM
I had seeing conditions like this. Rant all you want! It's terrible

Calappidae
09/25/2013, 08:49 AM
Large stores spred around the world like petco, petland, and such don't have a much concern for their animals as family owned businesses. Family owned business work by their rules.. petco/petland is forced to do whatever their head boss says to do and unfornuantly he/she doesn't know what to do.. I think ATM on tanked is the ones who got them into saltwater, and judging by the show and how they setup their tanks.. they don't know a whole lot either other than how to make some decent money. I also notice how they sneek large schools of look downs and the price tags on them.

erndog1001
09/26/2013, 11:29 AM
If they shut them down, then they'd have to do the same to almost every Petco.

I don't know about your local Petco But around here the stores are very well maintained.

Calappidae
09/26/2013, 11:54 AM
I don't know about your local Petco But around here the stores are very well maintained.

If the manager is well aware of the requirments of saltwater and not just doing whatever the petco website and boss says then they can be well kept indeed.

thomb
10/03/2013, 10:03 AM
The Petco near us is also very well maintained and has even special ordered fish for us - frankly had better luck with them fish wise (and their tanks are better maintained in my opinion) than a highly regarded LFS near here.

Mark9
10/04/2013, 09:04 PM
The Petco around here is maintained by a woman who takes really good care of the tanks.
Not perfect, they lose the odd fish, but she really does the best she can.
The vast majority are healthy and get bought quite quickly.

Mpfaff77
10/04/2013, 09:08 PM
The Petco around here is maintained by a woman who takes really good care of the tanks.
Not perfect, they lose the odd fish, but she really does the best she can.
The vast majority are healthy and get bought quite quickly.

+1. Petco in toms river NJ has grown leaps and bounds in saltwater department. The new girl there knows her stuff.

reefgoddess808
10/05/2013, 08:51 PM
It wasn't a LFS but rather an aquarium that I saw what I thought were pretty deplorable conditions. This was over ten years ago but in SC at a Ripleys Believe it or Not I saw algae, cracked glass, sick fish and even a dead specimen. That was quite shocking to me, especially considering it was back in collage on a class trip. I was a marine tech major.

necessary_evil
10/17/2013, 02:09 PM
Take a minute or two, with out berating them, to point out to the staff easy ways to improve their system. A lot aren't going to listen, but some staff are working their first jobs an genuinely don't know better but may be open to quick easy suggestions.

Rbs07fxstc
10/17/2013, 03:37 PM
It wasn't a LFS but rather an aquarium that I saw what I thought were pretty deplorable conditions. This was over ten years ago but in SC at a Ripleys Believe it or Not I saw algae, cracked glass, sick fish and even a dead specimen. That was quite shocking to me, especially considering it was back in collage on a class trip. I was a marine tech major.

The Ripleys Aquarium I went to in Pigeon Forge, Tn was in great shape. It's nicer than the aquariums I see in Fla.

Wingity
10/24/2013, 02:01 PM
Many years ago I knew the fish and retile person in a Petco... she was required to leave sick fish in the display tank until they died, as the store only got credit for the fish if they died in the display tank. Weird. They once let her buy a sick chameleon for a penny, as they couldn't sell or get credit for it. It lived about a year with help from a generous veterinarian friend.
I'm lucky, in a nearby cities there are many live fish stores. My favorite in Caribbean forest, which is run by some nice, knowledgable guys. Healthy, beautiful tanks, and they have helped me get used equipment and healthy live rock from broken down hobbyist tanks.

Allmost
10/24/2013, 02:03 PM
we had a store like that up here.

it got "poisoned", and took insurance money and left ...

Calappidae
10/24/2013, 06:27 PM
Well... a 3 inch yellow tang from one of petco's 8 gallon cube tanks with internal parasites hanging out of it and ick ended up in my 10 gallon mini reef until my 125 gallon is up..

Next morning I question myself "What just happened?"

I only got it as a recuse. Definity an upgrade in tank size from them.. but I was going to get one for my 125 anyway so I figured why not just save the poor soul. While the 125 cycles I'll have a HT and treat it :)

Reef Raf
11/09/2013, 10:59 PM
Keep in mind that a lot of those stores have one person who can run the salt water section. And when they quit or get hired away....the section goes up in smoke. I've seen that repeatedly around here. The stores do not care. Easy to let stuff die and hire a high school kid who knows how to get it up and running again a couple months later.

Nina51
11/10/2013, 07:14 AM
the pet supplies plus store where i get my salt just moved to a much bigger building. i went to their grand opening recently and was not surprised to see that they added a few saltwater tanks. however, instead of offering "beginner" fish, their tanks contained things like scooter blennies, a mandarin, flame scallops, clams, powder blue tangs...everything a beginning should NOT buy. when i was checking out with my bag of salt, i mentioned they might wanna check the goby because it was laying on its side in a corner of the tank and the hermit crabs were all over it. guy says "oh, he does that all the time." i said yeah but this time, he's doing it permanently. since these tanks are new, they are sparkling and the fish look great (except the poor goby). i suspect there is gonna be a LOT of people who think they can keep 6 tangs in a 10 gallon tank because, after all, they did it there. oy!

55willys
11/11/2013, 09:15 AM
Stores have a responsibility to maintain a reasonable environment for these enslaved living creatures, regardless of their hiring stage. I would think the large chains might have an area person to immediately train new workers.

Unome
11/11/2013, 10:01 PM
Large stores spread around the world like petco, petland, and such don't have a much concern for their animals as family owned businesses. Family owned business work by their rules.. petco/petland is forced to do whatever their head boss says to do and unfornuantly he/she doesn't know what to do.. So true. I went into a Petsmart one time & they had bettas in the little cups waiting to be sold. Most of the cups water was BROWN almost to the point of not being able to see the fish.

I mentioned it to a girl working there and she said they had a routine/schedule for replacing the water. I told her couldn't she tell that the water conditions were terrible. She just looked at me and said, "It's not time to change the water according to the company schedule."

So I(politely) asked if I could talk to her manager. After she rolled her eyes at me, she reluctantly went to get the manager. He came over and asked what was my problem. I told him there wasn't a problem(to him maybe) but it seemed cruel to have these fish in such bad conditions. He gave me the corporate spiel about their routine/schedule for changing the water. I mentioned that but not changing it more often, they were losing fish.

Then I get the corporate spiel about them allowing for "acceptable losses" regarding the fish and that is why they had so many. They knew some wouldn't make it but that was "acceptable". :( I then brought up the fact that maybe if they spent about 30 - 45 minutes more every 2 - 3 days "outside their routine/schedule for changing the water", they would not lose as many fish(i.e. reducing their $$$ loss) and have more fish to sell(i.e. increasing profits). He looked at me like I had just slapped his mama and told me that he ran the store according to company policy, that was that, & walked away without a "Thank you for your concern". :headwallblue:

bigdookie
11/12/2013, 02:13 AM
The Petco around here is maintained by a woman who takes really good care of the tanks.
Not perfect, they lose the odd fish, but she really does the best she can.
The vast majority are healthy and get bought quite quickly.

petcos in my area are pretty well maintained. however that is 1 particular lfs that has ich all over some fish, imploded anemones.... i don't even understand how hes in business.

fisheater
11/14/2013, 06:52 AM
The Petcos I have been in are usually clean and well cared for. Maybe the OP went in on a bad day or when they are in between p/m schedule.
Remember that to the vast majority of people who handle fish or other marine life they are nothing more than a means to collect a paycheck. Having them live in your home gives them a soul and or feelings to you. Take a look at how food animals are treated. foodinc movie.

sonoma2nv
11/21/2013, 04:14 PM
So I was at my LFS (In Fort Walton Beach) with the family looking around and went by the fish section and was quite disturbed by what I saw. There was absolutely no water movement in the tanks and they were covered in algae and feces. Most of the fish had some sort of desease or looked overall very unhealthy. At what point do they get shut down for animal cruelty? Does it not apply to fish? They can be kept in this cespool until they die or some poor person purchases one. I know they are "just fish" but i feel bad seeing how poorly maintained this tanks were.

Rant complete.

yeah they wont theres no regulation for fish .wish there was then the ppl working there would have some kind of training

Allmost
11/21/2013, 04:16 PM
So I was at my LFS (In Fort Walton Beach) with the family looking around and went by the fish section and was quite disturbed by what I saw. There was absolutely no water movement in the tanks and they were covered in algae and feces. Most of the fish had some sort of desease or looked overall very unhealthy. At what point do they get shut down for animal cruelty? Does it not apply to fish? They can be kept in this cespool until they die or some poor person purchases one. I know they are "just fish" but i feel bad seeing how poorly maintained this tanks were.

Rant complete.

they dont get shut down.

they will wipe out their tanks and claim for insurance soon though ;)

have seen some locally like that too ...
sadly.

jccaclimber
11/23/2013, 12:26 PM
Keep in mind that a lot of those stores have one person who can run the salt water section. And when they quit or get hired away....the section goes up in smoke. I've seen that repeatedly around here. The stores do not care. Easy to let stuff die and hire a high school kid who knows how to get it up and running again a couple months later.

That's pretty typical in the box store fish places around here. They look decent when someone that knows what they are doing works that department, and like crap the rest of the time. The problem with having a good employee (getting paid near minimum wage) in that department is that either they suck and things die, or they get promoted to something else and then the conditions degrade anyways.

I try not to 'rescue' fish from these stores because I think it only encourages them to keep selling them.

Alavaster
11/24/2013, 10:10 AM
Macwilliams, don't go to that petco in fortwalton. . . It's beyond terrible. There is another little LFS in town behind Uptown station, and I remember hearing about a new one in Destin. But I have not found it yet.
Happy Reef keeping from another Emerald coast local!

MacWilliams
12/03/2013, 12:47 PM
Yea, i do not go to that store anymore. I buy everything i can from Matt's. that place is amazing. Great customer service and a lot of knowledge.

Boston21
12/03/2013, 02:21 PM
Instead of complaining on here, maybe find a "polite" way to tell the managers, workers, owner's that there tanks are not being properly maintained. Someone might be an a** hole about it but some might respect it. Just an idea, probably wont help though.

MacWilliams
12/03/2013, 06:02 PM
While I agree with your advice I dont think it would help. What company is going to change the way they do things because 1 customer went in to tell them they were doing it the wrong way? I dont go there anymore, so for me to do that i would have to make a special trip. Not worth the time when a i have a much better LFS near me.