Marks...Back to the Future..Reef Aquarium

[Mark...]

Hi, I've been hanging around here at RC for a little while and recently joined back in May. I've been waiting to pull the trigger on doing this tank, knowing the time, commitment and money it takes to do it right. Even with the tank in the garage right now I even hesitate, but finally have decided to push forward in a slow calculated manner. Months to a year.

As a middle aged geeky type person I have learned the journey sometimes is as much or more fun as the end result. With that said, I really enjoy learning and dissecting every issue. From equipment to live stock. I also love to wheel and deal in the shopping department! And I also tend to ask too many questions.

My Personal History As a kid I always had fresh water tanks at different stages of growing up. (I still haven't grown up btw, ask my wife and kids).
In the 80's when I finally had my own home the tanks returned. I had a nice 125 gallon salt water setup in the wall and ran it for many years with a fair amount of success. Compared to the technology now, it was the stone age. (Hence my Back to the Future thread title) I used under-gravel filters with air pumps, a hanging Superking filter, heater hanging in the corner, dolomite as a substrate. I bought the tank for $119, built the stand with 2x4's and 3/4 plywood. Used a $10 shop light with 4 foot aquarium bulbs. Used dead coral, lava rock which I still have in the basement. So for a couple of hundred dollars I had at the time a very nice tank. Oh and lots of green algae!

Fast forward to today. I'm in a different home, with Wife, 2 crazy Dachshunds and 3 boys with two being grown up. Have one 2 year old Grandson. And now I'm thinking of doing a nice tank in my home office. I was going to wait a few years to put this together as I got closer to retirement...but with the bug...how can I wait 6-7 more years? I find the new equipment options fascinating and expensive. It like being a mad scientist

Oh and if I can sell my piano, I can get an even bigger tank (as per the wife) and put it in my living room. Peninsula? Anyone want to buy a nice grand piano?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/estonia8.jpg

Today: I'm in the planning stages and buying stuff. I've spent months looking at tank options and then found this gem:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/atank3.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/atank.jpg

Its a 7 year old 180 gallon, but never setup. Came with an Ocean Motion 4(which I have since sold) and a new 6 year old pump that has also never been used. If I sell the piano, I'll make the tank a sump or frag tank...lol Here is the pump, I'm selling it. Too powerful for my needs.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/pump.jpg

Here is an old acyrlic I bought to become my basement sump:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sump.jpg
Crazy 2 hour ride on Interstate, my son peed his pants(him in picture)...I did too :)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sump9.jpg

Have to setup the baffles, but first need to pick out a skimmer and return pump. Both choices are proving difficult...

My tank vision: I want to make it as if it has a rimless look and feel as possible. I want it to be clean and efficient as well as artsy. I will attempt to have as small environmental impact as possible. Both in equipment and reef life. LED lights (reefbreeders) and DC pumps (maybe), if they can do a proper job in a basement sump. I really don't want my electric going to the moon. I hope to have find a stand or have one built.. I also need to make sure I have no water disasters up stairs. Plan on using a Herbie.

I have concerns about my well water and just bought the BRS 75g plus 5 stage ro/di unit. I have some CO2 issues to work out as well as other setup questions. But that can wait. I will need to bubble my RO water before DI to remove the CO2.

I'm pretty good in the fish department, but totally new in the coral arena. So that should be fun learning.

So this is my initial build thread post to get things started, hope it wasn't too much.

Bought so far:
RO/DI
180g tank
100g sump
heaters
filter socks
salt
27lbs of rock
refractometer
magnet cleaner

Waiting to pull trigger on return pump, skimmer and much more...

Have a ton of questions...
Mark...

[Mark...]

Here is big brother with little brother sumpy in my garage...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sump11.jpg

Basement sump area...just in front of beam.
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BRS package: Dog Freddie not included...
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/reefstuff.jpg

Another delivery:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/toys.jpg

old coral...over 20 years old...any use in today's reef tanks?
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/oldcoral.jpg
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[1fishkeeper]

Looks like a lot of fun. By the way I think my dentist has the same corals in his tank. I was telling him the other day that he really needs to upgrade and go with all live. He just laughed at me and said he has a nice set up at home. But this works for his office.

[Mark...]

Looks like a lot of fun. By the way I think my dentist has the same corals in his tank. I was telling him the other day that he really needs to upgrade and go with all live. He just laughed at me and said he has a nice set up at home. But this works for his office.

They are old school...:lmao:, maybe I can just clean them and grind them up into rubble...

[Mark...]

Asked this on another thread, but no feedback. I'll try here, building a basement sump for the 180g. About 11ft of head with 1+" piping using two 45 degree and splitting to two 3/4 returns at the overflow with 2 90's each to get into tank.. I want an internal pump. 5x flow is 900, but I will have only a one inch Herbie with a one inch emergency, so 600 gph at the tank level seems about right...

I really like some of the DC pumps, but there seems to be reliability issues.

I want to keep the electric bill in check as much as possible, and I want a rock solid pump in the reliability department.

My search brought me to this pump:
Sicce Syncra 12 High Flow Pump, 3200gph

I love some opinions or other options...

[Colorado1]

Gorgeous tank!! I am putting my sump in the basement also. I was going to do an aquarium sump and add baffles, but found a good deal for an oversized used unit. I also have the same corals frm the 80's like you not sure what to do with them.

[Mark...]

The theme to my build and what do you guys think of this return pump for 11 ft of head?

Sicce Syncra 12 High Flow Pump, 3200gph



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[Newbie Aquarist]

Very creative. Last pic is classic

[1Sik1500]

Correct date for Back to the Future is 2015 =)

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/bttf.asp

[Mark...]

In my quest to keep my energy bill reasonable, I found this skimmer:

Tunze Master DOC Protein Skimmer 9410.000

It's only 15w and will cost just 1.08 a month to operate. I was leaning toward the BM 180ex, but can't ignore the energy consumption.

Anyone familiar with the Tunze skimmer?

[1fishkeeper]

Asked this on another thread, but no feedback. I'll try here, building a basement sump for the 180g. About 11ft of head with 1+" piping using two 45 degree and splitting to two 3/4 returns at the overflow with 2 90's each to get into tank.. I want an internal pump. 5x flow is 900, but I will have only a one inch Herbie with a one inch emergency, so 600 gph at the tank level seems about right...

I really like some of the DC pumps, but there seems to be reliability issues.

I want to keep the electric bill in check as much as possible, and I want a rock solid pump in the reliability department.

My search brought me to this pump:
Sicce Syncra 12 High Flow Pump, 3200gph

I love some opinions or other options...

I think I read somewhere last night that the DC 10500 had like a 15 foot head limit to it. Now the output of it at the height I don't know for sure. I will have to look and see if I can find a link to what I was reading.

[Mark...]

I think I read somewhere last night that the DC 10500 had like a 15 foot head limit to it. Now the output of it at the height I don't know for sure. I will have to look and see if I can find a link to what I was reading.

The product info I read said 17.5 ft, but like you said, no idea what the output will be at 11 feet. 5x flow is 900gph, but anything over 500gph would be fine at the tank.

I'm also considering the Sicce Syncra 12 High Flow Pump, 3200gph, but it uses much more energy.

Thanks for the help...

[SPotter]

tagging along here as well Mark! everything looks great!

[Mark...]

tagging along here as well Mark! everything looks great!

Thanks Steve! Its finally coming together in my head, but the skimmer and return pump are driving me crazy. lol

[msderganc]

In my quest to keep my energy bill reasonable, I found this skimmer:

Tunze Master DOC Protein Skimmer 9410.000

It's only 15w and will cost just 1.08 a month to operate. I was leaning toward the BM 180ex, but can't ignore the energy consumption.

Anyone familiar with the Tunze skimmer?

Just reading the skimmer thread - I have not heard much great about the Tunze skimmers. The AquaMaxx skimmers get great reviews at their price point.

[Mark...]

Just reading the skimmer thread - I have not heard much great about the Tunze skimmers. The AquaMaxx skimmers get great reviews at their price point.

I've read the Tunze take a couple of weeks to break in, but after that seem pretty good. I've heard great things about the AquaMaxx skimmers also. Its the 15w that really impresses me on the Tunze.

[dave.m]

old coral...over 20 years old...any use in today's reef tanks?
They won't stay colourful, pretty and shiny like that once they are in your tank. A natural bio-film will grow over them. Various diatoms, hair and turf algaes will take hold, eventually (if things go well) coraline algaes will cover the lit surfaces, and at all times your fish will be crapping all over them. They will become the same grayish blobs that plainer rocks become in the aquarium.

Bright colourful pieces like these are best left on the shelf to look pretty and collect dust. ;)

Dave.M

[Mark...]

They won't stay colourful, pretty and shiny like that once they are in your tank. A natural bio-film will grow over them. Various diatoms, hair and turf algaes will take hold, eventually (if things go well) coraline algaes will cover the lit surfaces, and at all times your fish will be crapping all over them. They will become the same grayish blobs that plainer rocks become in the aquarium.

Bright colourful pieces like these are best left on the shelf to look pretty and collect dust. ;)

Dave.M

At least I wont have to clean them...thanks.

[Mark...]

My low power consumption quest has led me to this skimmer. In my readings, its a little tricky to dial in, but once it gets going, the consensus is very happy. Cost about $338, using only 15w. At my JCP&L rate of .10 a kilowatt hour, we are talking $1.08 a month to operate. Will probably purchase in December.

http://www.f3images.com/IMD/250/TZ5340/Tunze-Master-DOC-Protein-Skimmer-9410.000-99.jpg

[downbeach]

My low power consumption quest has led me to this skimmer. In my readings, its a little tricky to dial in, but once it gets going, the consensus is very happy. Cost about $338, using only 15w. At my JCP&L rate of .10 a kilowatt hour, we are talking $1.08 a month to operate. Will probably purchase in December.

http://www.f3images.com/IMD/250/TZ5340/Tunze-Master-DOC-Protein-Skimmer-9410.000-99.jpg

Tunze makes a good product, I used a 9011 for a number of trouble free years. You'll probably have to dump the cup daily, since there is no external drain though.

[Mark...]

Tunze makes a good product, I used a 9011 for a number of trouble free years. You'll probably have to dump the cup daily, since there is no external drain though.

Good to know, I was torn between the BM 180ex you mentioned and this model.

[Mark...]

Fish tank crime scene...the small rectangle will be cut out for plumbing to basement sump. Made to match size of vent on left, so if I ever move, I can cover up the hole with another phoney vent. Got that idea from RC.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/crimescene.jpg

[SPotter]

looks good mark. Make sure you cut the hole bigger than you think you need. Any vibration that is picked up from the pipes will drive you nuts!!!

[Mark...]

looks good mark. Make sure you cut the hole bigger than you think you need. Any vibration that is picked up from the pipes will drive you nuts!!!

It's 4"x10" to match the vent size. Should be ok.

[sfsuphysics]

If you want to save energy, keep the sump under the tank. That head will kill you as far as power usage.

I don't know if I trust the ratings on the Tunze skimmer, but eh whatever if the options are the Tunze or a Bubble Magus I'd probably go with the Tunze too. Although there are some nice alternatives out there that have power usages in the same ball park. Note you are going to pay a premium due to the Tunze name.

[Mark...]

Wood for sump stand...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/wood.jpg

[Mark...]

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand.jpg

[Mark...]

Sump stand finished except for paint...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/standdone.jpg

[SPotter]

Looks great mark!!!

[Mark...]

Thanks Steve!

Skimmer came today...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/skimmer.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/skimmer2.jpg

[SPotter]

Man that looks small. You sure it's going to be enough on your system? I see it's rated up to 264g. What's your twv estimated to be?

[Mark...]

Man that looks small. You sure it's going to be enough on your system? I see it's rated up to 264g. What's your twv estimated to be?

It does look small...

The tank is a 180 and the sump is about 100, but I will only use about 60 of the sump and with displacement I'd guess 135 in the DT. so 160 total.

Do you take in account the displacement?

Otherwise about 240g.

Worst case, I should get a couple of years out of it.

And best of all 15 watts...

[SPotter]

Since I like to over skim and displacement is really a tricky thing to account for, I usually base my skimmer purchase on my total water volume. Im sure it will be fine for a while.

[Mark...]

Since I like to over skim and displacement is really a tricky thing to account for, I usually base my skimmer purchase on my total water volume. Im sure it will be fine for a while.

I agree, they say once you get these broken, they work really well. I will need to keep an eye on things as the bio-load grows out.

[rishma]

That skimmer will keep up with your tank just fine. It Processes a Ton of water and pulls a lot of air. There won't be a lot of idle time, but it will control nutrients well. Tunze rates their skimmers very realistically. Plus it's quiet and only uses 15 W.

[rishma]

Nice build

[Mark...]

Sump stand painted. DT frame wood picked up today.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sumpstand1.jpg

[Newbie Aquarist]

Your progress is coming along great. Keep up the good work.

[Mark...]

Thanks Newbie!

Pocket drilled all the framing lumber for the Display tank. Will assemble on nice day not working...

Got this on a RC group buy. May have made a mistake. Forgot I have Euro bracing and cord comes from inside tank.

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[Mark...]

Frame for display tank stand sections complete...now they go to friend with real skills to finish in cherry...:bounce3:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/frame.jpg

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[Mark...]

Stand meets sumpy...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sumpastand.jpg

[Mark...]

Looking for opinions on general use pumps for circulation water in brute cans, circulating water to cook rock, moving new salt water to sump etc.

Is there a gold standard type pump you guys use?

Thanks!

[msderganc]

I use the cobalt mj 1200s, but people use a lot of different pumps. I also use a cheap pond pump for pumping out of the can

[Mark...]

I use the cobalt mj 1200s, but people use a lot of different pumps. I also use a cheap pond pump for pumping out of the can

Thanks for the opinion, I just found an old fountain pump and will clean it up and see how it works. I still need to buy something down the line.

[Mark...]

This week on the build:

Orders two food grade 32 gallon Brute cans and lids.
Bought TSP and cleaned basement floor to prep for gray epoxy paint.
Bought a used mag 7 and two green Jager heaters from a guy in selling tons of stuff. Soaking them in vinegar baths.
Hope to meet with a friend this weekend and go over supplies for aquarium stand build.
Ordered GFI outlet for display tank wall.

[Sonicboom]

nice progress, slow and steady gives you time to think and plan out. It will be tricky to find a pump with low power that can give you the 500 gph. The Reef Octopus HY16000 says it can do 1200 gph @ 11 ft head but that's at a cost of 250 watts. same as the Bluelines. I run a SpeedWave DC 10k with no issues so far, it's only been running 6 months though and the Waveline DC 12k was recently released which claims 3170 gph @ 0 ft head and a max height of 19.9 ft @170 watts.

[Mark...]

nice progress, slow and steady gives you time to think and plan out. It will be tricky to find a pump with low power that can give you the 500 gph. The Reef Octopus HY16000 says it can do 1200 gph @ 11 ft head but that's at a cost of 250 watts. same as the Bluelines. I run a SpeedWave DC 10k with no issues so far, it's only been running 6 months though and the Waveline DC 12k was recently released which claims 3170 gph @ 0 ft head and a max height of 19.9 ft @170 watts.

As much as I want a dc pump, I'm concerned about it being rock solid. especially with the 10-11 ft of head. My gut and research has brought me to the 165 watt Sicce Syncra 12 High Flow Pump, 3200gph...

What do you think...

[Sonicboom]

Great choice, my guess would be around 900-1200 go after head loss.

[msderganc]

Hi Mark - l have two brand new Syncra HF 12s that I ended up not going with due to space under my cabinet if you're interested. They have only seen RO / Dl water. They do push a ton of water.

[Mark...]

Basement sump room floor prep and paint...


Before:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/baseprep.jpg
After:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/basementepox.jpg

[Mark...]

Still working on the RO/DI setup. Have a booster pump (Aquatec 8800) on the way. I think I've spent more money trying to make water than on my 180 gallon tank...

I will need to pump my RO water, after it loses its Co2 by sitting and bubbling back to the booster pump through the DI. Since it will use 1/4 inch tubing , what type pump is generally used for this narrow tubing?

Thanks...

[msderganc]

Why is it sitting?

And depending on how far, you could use something simple like an aqualifter.

[Mark...]

Why is it sitting?

And depending on how far, you could use something simple like an aqualifter.

I have high co2 in my water and it has to sit and bubble to dissipate the co2 before I run it through the DI.

[Mark...]

Updated progress:

Installed GFI for DT

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/gfi.jpg

Built bases for counter top that I had laying around.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/counter.jpg

Sexy sump room shot...lol

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/fishsumproom.jpg

RO/DI station with installed hanging board. Wife donated two old end tables. Drilling solid concrete was no fun...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/rodi.jpg

Merry Christmas!

[Mark...]

Supplies for build, air pump, float valve, air stones...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/airsupplies.jpg

Booster pump...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/bossterpump.jpg

QT tank with light and hang on filter...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/Qttank.jpg

[Mark...]

Installed electric outlets for basement sump and RO/DI area.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/power.jpg

Another outlet and the RO/DI mounted. I now have all the parts to finish the RO/DI setup. Hope to be making water within a week. Waste water might be only issue.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/power2.jpg

[Mark...]

I have decided to try a clean up some of the nasty scratches on my used sump. I just ordered the Novus stuff, just wasn't sure if its safe for inside the tank. Anyone know? Thanks...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tcjLFKlPL.jpg

[Mark...]

I cant tell you how this easy connection was such a pain in the butt...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/water.jpg

[Mark...]

Flushing the RO side! Making water!
Pressure with the booster is 90psi...I guess I will have to figure out how to dial the pump back.

[Mark...]

Light number one...I think I burned my retinas...its a lot bigger and heavier than I thought. Evergrow 32" LED

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/light.jpg

[Mark...]

Temporary frag tank...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/frag.jpg

[stevefl]

looking good tagging along

[Mark...]

Hung LED over temporary frag tank. 13 inches. Can I get away with coral and no bio source if I do very frequent and large water changes with no fish?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/led2.jpg

[Mark...]

Started to cure some BRS reef saver and figi rock after treating it in vinegar for a week. About 50-60 lbs. Salt water, heater and mag 7. I assume keep it at normal aquarium temps 76-80.

How long do you think this process will take? I will do water changes every few days. Any other helpful hints?

When its done, what is the best way to store since it wont go in the DT right away.

[mskvarenina]

Fish tank crime scene...the small rectangle will be cut out for plumbing to basement sump.


That's pretty funny. I did the exact thing this weekend with my new tank. Added a receptacle and drilled through the hardwood into the basement for the sump.

I also built a workbench with a laminate countertop for the sump and accessories.

So, did you purchase the BRS reef saver rock? I'm on a hunt for the best rock for the dollar at the moment and this stuff looks really good.

[mskvarenina]

What size Brutes are you using? HD and Lowes only seem to carry the 32g size as the Rubbermaid website doesn't list a 50g either.

[Mark...]

What size Brutes are you using? HD and Lowes only seem to carry the 32g size as the Rubbermaid website doesn't list a 50g either.

I bought the food grade 32 gallon from Amazon. My rock is BRS reef saver and Fiji so far.

[mskvarenina]

Thanks for the reply. So I guess I'll just go with the 32 gal too. It's plenty big enough to support a 90 gal tank.

So are you happy with your reef saver rock? Do you have any other threads with more pictures? So far the build up pics in this thread have been awesome.

[Mark...]

Thanks for the reply. So I guess I'll just go with the 32 gal too. It's plenty big enough to support a 90 gal tank.

So are you happy with your reef saver rock? Do you have any other threads with more pictures? So far the build up pics in this thread have been awesome.

Thanks. I try to keep the thread up dated with current picks. I'm in a holding pattern right now. A friend and I are building my stand. And I have to wait for warmer weather to buff out scratches on my used sump. Plus I'm wait for my Visa card to roll over. Its really full right now.

I'm cooking the rock as we speak so I really don't want to give you a false opinion of the rock. It does seem really nice thought.

I am now looking at Marco rock and reefer rock since I only have about 50-60lbs right now.

I think the 32g are fine for my 180, so you should be good too. Make sure you get the food grade. Amazon was the best price for me and delivered to my house.

Mark...

[Mark...]

DT being build...with my friend Rob the master carpeter.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/build2.jpg
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http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/build3.jpg
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[Mark...]

Frag rack and a bunch of free rock from a friend...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/fragrack.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/rock.jpg

[1fishkeeper]

Free rock is good rock

[Mark...]

Free rock is good rock

Yes it is...must be 75-100 lbs. He got it free from a friend who was leaving the hobby. Just concerned that it was in his garage for years. I spent an hour just rinsing dust off it. Hope there is no chemical contamination. Its really good looking rock too.

[Crusty1]

Great build!

[Mark...]

My temporary frag tank is ready to go, I'm waiting on some bacteria that will be on some filter pads.
Question...can I add an ammonia source to the tank without the bacteria (there has to be some in there no matter what.)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/frag3.jpg

[Mark...]

Made some serious progress with the stand...
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand3.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand2.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Holy cow that looks fantastic! Did you make the doors or order them?

[Mark...]

Holy cow that looks fantastic! Did you make the doors or order them?

Thanks! My friend Rob built them...they were a ton of work. Looking forward to getting the finish on it. I was sanding all day...

[Sonicboom]

Lol, I bet. I tried doing doors and failed miserably so I just use two slabs of wood..lol

[Mark...]

Lol, I bet. I tried doing doors and failed miserably so I just use two slabs of wood..lol

He's been a carpenter for 30 years and has some amazing tools. Doing the doors like that is not for us mortals... :)

[SPotter]

wow Mark.....that looks amazing!!!! I might need to see if Rob wants to make a road trip to SC since I am getting close to starting my stand build.

[Mark...]

wow Mark.....that looks amazing!!!! I might need to see if Rob wants to make a road trip to SC since I am getting close to starting my stand build.

I built the frame and I have been Robs helper doing the finish work. He really is an artist. Stuff that I would of said was good enough, was never good enough for Rob. If you could figure out the transport, it would be worth having him build your stand.

[Mark...]

Final decided on the return pump...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/pump2.jpg

[Newbie Aquarist]

Final decided on the return pump...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/pump2.jpg

Great job on the stand and you are going to love that pump. Its really quiet and more powerful than you think. A local wholeseller had one on his tank and spoke very highly of the pump.

[Mark...]

Great job on the stand and you are going to love that pump. Its really quiet and more powerful than you think. A local wholeseller had one on his tank and spoke very highly of the pump.

Thanks NA...it really seems to be a well made pump. And the price was very reasonable.

[Mark...]

Spent a few hours the last couple of days and buffed out the sump and added the baffles. Due to the inner panel of the tank having a bow, the baffles didn't come out as nice as I would of liked, but should be functional. Will leak test it tomorrow. Had to use Weldon 16 for sure.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sump15.jpg

[E.Rude]

Mark, everything looks great! Welcome back to the hobby!

[Trainwreck618]

Nice looking stand, good work. I like how the doors are flush with the face. Great display also, I really like the euro bracing, looks clean!

[AJT]

Looking good!

Love the stand

[Mark...]

Thanks for the kind words!

Question:

This weekend I'm looking to pick up the foam board to place under the (acrylic) DT and sump. Can anyone recommend a brand and thickness. Was thinking of 1/2". Hope to get HD or Lowes to cut if for me too.

Thanks...

[Mark...]

Thanks for the kind words!

Question:

This weekend I'm looking to pick up the foam board to place under the (acrylic) DT and sump. Can anyone recommend a brand and thickness. Was thinking of 1/2". Hope to get HD or Lowes to cut if for me too.

Thanks...

Anyone..heading to the store now...

[tidus10]

I JUST WANT TO SEE PICS!!

...why does my job hate pics :(

[tidus10]

Nice man! Coming along nicely!!

[batesdc]

looks great and looking forward to the rest of the project.

[Centralreefs]

Following along, wish my house had a basement.

[Mark...]

I'm working on the plumbing design and parts list for my DT down to my basement sump.

I have some questions,

I plan on going Herbie with full siphon and dry emergency. The central overflow came with two 1 inch bulkheads and two 1/2 return bulkheads. In-regard to the drains is there any advantage of going 1.5 inch pipe before (overflow) 1.5 inch pipe after the bulkheads.

On the return, I was planning of running 1.5 inch (pump use 1.5 inch output), up under the tank and whey it off to two 3/4 inch before and after the 1/2 return bulkhead.

Does the narrow bulkheads defeat the larger pipe?

Should drain gate valve be upstairs under tank or in basement just before sump? Used to dial in flow.

Does this sound reasonable?

Thanks

[swclown]

Great build. Amazing looking stand. Have you decided on a color for it?

[dave.m]

Does the narrow bulkheads defeat the larger pipe?

Should drain gate valve be upstairs under tank or in basement just before sump? Used to dial in flow.

Does this sound reasonable?
Yes, it will limit your flow. A lot of the resistance will be deflected back to the pump in the form of back-pressure. There's not a lot you can do with an undersized bulkhead.

You should have both a ball valve and a gate valve, the ball valve should be downstairs and used for emergency OMG shut-off. The gate valve should be upstairs where you can see the changes to the flow that you're trying to dial in... and for emergency OMG shut-down.

Reef addiction and "sense" are mutual oppositions.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

Great build. Amazing looking stand. Have you decided on a color for it?

Thanks! Its all cherry so it will get clear coats....I hope to give it enough coats to make it have a hard shine finish. Weather has been too cold to finish.

[Mark...]

Yes, it will limit your flow. A lot of the resistance will be deflected back to the pump in the form of back-pressure. There's not a lot you can do with an undersized bulkhead.

You should have both a ball valve and a gate valve, the ball valve should be downstairs and used for emergency OMG shut-off. The gate valve should be upstairs where you can see the changes to the flow that you're trying to dial in... and for emergency OMG shut-down.

Reef addiction and "sense" are mutual oppositions.

Dave.M

Thanks for the reply. Great idea about the OMG ball valve. I will definitely do that.

Do you think I should use the larger pipe or reduce it to more closely match the bulkheads?

Thanks again.

[dave.m]

Someone had a link to a pump engineering site that described distances for various horsepower pumps before you enlarge or narrow the pipe. I think it was on pmroger's thread but I'm not sure. Anyways, you're going to have to narrow the pipe at some point unless you can replace the existing bulkhead with a larger one (yes, re-drill the tank BUT ONLY IF THERE'S ROOM for a larger bulkhead). Better to change pipe size closer to the bulkhead than to the pump.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

Someone had a link to a pump engineering site that described distances for various horsepower pumps before you enlarge or narrow the pipe. I think it was on pmroger's thread but I'm not sure. Anyways, you're going to have to narrow the pipe at some point unless you can replace the existing bulkhead with a larger one (yes, re-drill the tank BUT ONLY IF THERE'S ROOM for a larger bulkhead). Better to change pipe size closer to the bulkhead than to the pump.

Dave.M

I really don't have the room to re-drill. Will go big to the tank. Thanks Dave!

[Mark...]

Sump baffels done and sump inplace...all the sump not in the picture...6ft long.

When setting up flow to the refug, do you use DT drain water or return water from pump?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/sump16.jpg

[dave.m]

Usually people use the refugium to prefilter some of the water from the display tank, i.e. they are using the nitrates and phosphates to fertilize the algae in the refugium and the detritus to feed the critters kept in there.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

Usually people use the refugium to prefilter some of the water from the display tank, i.e. they are using the nitrates and phosphates to fertilize the algae in the refugium and the detritus to feed the critters kept in there.

Dave.M

Great, makes perfect sense...

[Mark...]

Stand completed and delivered. Doors will be placed after everything is installed. Thanks to Rob...who might still be floating around from 5 coats of lacquer.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand5.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand4.jpg

[Mark...]

Question: I will be ordering sand in about week. Love to hear some recommendations as to brands, textures. colors etc. . I really dont want a DSB, but I do want a Jaw fish.

Also how much in pounds for a 180g 72x24

Thanks!

[Sonicboom]

If I remember in my 180 I went with Fiji pink fine sand. I think it was 5 or 6 30 lb bags. I didn't want a dsb either but wanted to keep a few wrasse and mandarin so I filled up to the plastic frame.

[maddmaxx]

i recommend this..

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+9805+7326&pcatid=7326

it reflects light very well. small enough that it is fine for wrasse and sand borrowing critters, but still big enough that it doesnt get blown around from flow..

[Mark...]

I'm looking at my plumbing on my 180g and I might have a problem. The center overflow was pre drilled. It has 4 holes 2 allow one inch drains and 2 allow half inch returns. Since I plan on using the Herbie method. One drain is full siphon (750g) and the other will be a dry emergecncy.

Does this sound doable and good enough. I plan on two MP40s for additional flow. And my 3200g rated pump might be too much.

Any ideas...really dont want to try redrill the tank.

[Sonicboom]

Well 3200 gph is at 0 ft head isn't it?

[Mark...]

Well 3200 gph is at 0 ft head isn't it?

yes, I'll be around 10ft of head. So you think only one inch will work ok?

I might get more than 750g due to a decent drop...

http://www.reeflogix.com/images/rc/bulkhead_flow_rates.jpg

[Sonicboom]

I think it might be close, but I thought you were supposed to go bigger on pipe before bulkhead?

[Mark...]

I think it might be close, but I thought you were supposed to go bigger on pipe before bulkhead?

On the drain or return? I can go 1 1/2 inch on the return and then split to the 1/2 returns just before the bulkhead, if that would help.

[Sonicboom]

I'm almost positive the drain should be bigger before the bulkhead, and on the return you may be able to add a ball valve and throttle the flow back a little.

[Mark...]

I'm almost positive the drain should be bigger before the bulkhead, and on the return you may be able to add a ball valve and throttle the flow back a little.

So on the drain, increase the size of the pipe in the overflow?

[Sonicboom]

Correct.

[Mark...]

Correct.

Thanks for the help! This has been the the most confusing part so far...now to find the parts...

[Sonicboom]

You just need a 1 inch to 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 reducer and some pipe.

[MurphysLaw]

i recommend this..

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+9805+7326&pcatid=7326

it reflects light very well. small enough that it is fine for wrasse and sand borrowing critters, but still big enough that it doesnt get blown around from flow..

+1 on this sand. I have 1.5"-2" in my tank of it and my Wrasse dives right in every night.

That stand is awesome! tagging along.

[Mark...]

Made some nice progress today. Finished painting bottom of stand, conned the neighbors to help me get it in the house, mounted and painted the wood to mount the lights and mounted the lights. Its going to take a while to figure out these lights though. Instructions are limited...tank should be on the stand any time...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/aquariumstand.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/aquariumstand2.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/aquariumstand3.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/aquariumstand4.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/aquariumstand5.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Nice job hanging the lights, I'll be borrowing that idea..lol

[Mark...]

Nice job hanging the lights, I'll be borrowing that idea..lol

Thanks, wanted to keep it simple as possible. Spent more time measuring than hanging...

Now programming the suckers is another story...:)

[efrainz28]

yes, I'll be around 10ft of head. So you think only one inch will work ok?

I might get more than 750g due to a decent drop...

http://www.reeflogix.com/images/rc/bulkhead_flow_rates.jpg

Where can I find the calculator you used?

[Mark...]

Where can I find the calculator you used?

http://www.reeflogix.com

But got it off a google search...

[Mark...]

Tank in place...have some adjustments to make...I'd like to find something in white to hide the led wires.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank.jpg

[Mark...]

I'm going to have to devise some kind of cover/canopy for the lights. My retinas bleed when they are on and my desk is right in front of it. Something out of black acrylic might work.

[Sonicboom]

Tank in place...have some adjustments to make...I'd like to find something in white to hide the led wires.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank.jpg

If you run one wire across the back of the lights to the other, you can get the white cables manager from hd or Lowes and then run them down the wall.

[Mark...]

If you run one wire across the back of the lights to the other, you can get the white cables manager from hd or Lowes and then run them down the wall.

I was directed to this item, is this what your thinking of?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KAY86K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2N6NO8W19JCUN

[Sonicboom]

No that's ugly as sin, this is what you want
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00004W3ZP/ref=pd_aw_sims_1?pi=SL500_SS115

[Mark...]

No that's ugly as sin, this is what you want
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00004W3ZP/ref=pd_aw_sims_1?pi=SL500_SS115

Thanks...

[Mark...]

Nice day to install the back up power...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/powerback.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/poweback2.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Nice! Is that propane or natural gas generator?

[Mark...]

Nice! Is that propane or natural gas generator?

It's to hook up to a 7500watt gasoline generator. The device sends power to 10 circuits. Including my 220 well, furnace and just about everything else but the AC.

[Sonicboom]

Thumbs up on that precaution!

[Mark...]

Thumbs up on that precaution!

It would make me sick to get my tank up to full steam and then lose it all to an extended power failure.

[Mark...]

Have some stupid questions:

I'll be plumbing soon and was wondering the best way to test and get ready for scaping. I prefer to test with fresh water in case of leaks during the test. But will need to remover water in order to scape. Don't want to waste 250 gallons of RO/DI and concerned about high TDS tap water leaving behind Pho food.

Do you guys scape with the tank totally dry or with some water?

During the cycle I plan on going dark for one month, I understand this helps the scape get a beneficial coat of film (bacteria), that reduces algae problems etc. Whats your thoughts?

Any suggestions on plumbing, scaping, cycling I'm listening...I do plan on dry fitting everything first...:)

[dave.m]

If you are going to build some rock "sculptures" it's definitely easier to do these outside the tank. Just make sure that you have enough room above your tank to hoist the finished pieces in. They can get pretty hefty.

Try not to fill all the visible space with rockwork. Remember that you need to leave room for corals to grow and fish to swim. Too often people try to build a "finished" reef right at the start by filling in all the spaces where the coral should grow into over the next few years.

I have never heard of doing the dark thing for a month. Algae will grow where it finds food and opportunity whether there is bacteria there or not. Better to concentrate on a clean build from the start so that algae doesn't get to strong a foothold.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

If you are going to build some rock "sculptures" it's definitely easier to do these outside the tank. Just make sure that you have enough room above your tank to hoist the finished pieces in. They can get pretty hefty.

Try not to fill all the visible space with rockwork. Remember that you need to leave room for corals to grow and fish to swim. Too often people try to build a "finished" reef right at the start by filling in all the spaces where the coral should grow into over the next few years.

I have never heard of doing the dark thing for a month. Algae will grow where it finds food and opportunity whether there is bacteria there or not. Better to concentrate on a clean build from the start so that algae doesn't get to strong a foothold.

Dave.M

Thanks...I'm probably going with a minimal to medium scape to allow for growth. I like the scapes with some open clean bed areas.

I'm going to lay out the rock work on a tarp and then transfer it.

[Mark...]

Where are the wires?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank3.jpg

[dave.m]

Nice! :thumbsup:

Dave.M

[SPotter]

looks great Mark!!!!! lets see some water in there already!!!!

[Mark...]

looks great Mark!!!!! lets see some water in there already!!!!

Getting close, in the plumbing process, followed by scape...just waiting on some fed-ex-and UPS deliveries and the time to do the work.

I like kind of enjoy being methodical and knocking out each task as it gets closer to completion.

[Newbie Aquarist]

Where are the wires?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank3.jpg

Looks like a way to provide power in a wifi way. That looks clean.

[Mark...]

Looks like a way to provide power in a wifi way. That looks clean.

Thanks...I'm thinking if trying to use the same stuff to hide the hanging cables and make the lights look like the are floating.

[Sonicboom]

Nice, I didn't even notice the wire mold, looks fantastic! Just reminded me I have a piece left over that I can paint to match my wall and add it to my lights. On another note, I glued some less expensive stuff from lowes to the top of the rear frame to run power head cables so they don't dangle behind the tank. I cut them in 18 or so inch sections.

[Mark...]

Nice, I didn't even notice the wire mold, looks fantastic! Just reminded me I have a piece left over that I can paint to match my wall and add it to my lights. On another note, I glued some less expensive stuff from lowes to the top of the rear frame to run power head cables so they don't dangle behind the tank. I cut them in 18 or so inch sections.


Thanks, besides hiding the wires going down the wall vertically, (with the product you suggested), I also cut pieces to cover the wires going from the light to the wall and used the 90 degree pieces to connect.

What do you think of using the product to cover the hanging cables?

[Sonicboom]

I used the same product under the cabinet using 3M spray adhesive (spray outside of house then bring inside). Then I used this on the back since all my cables enter the stand on one end.
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv145/maldonj1/Tank%20Build/20140511_104527_1.jpg

Then I used this under the stand in the dry area.
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv145/maldonj1/Tank%20Build/20140511_105125.jpg

The issue is the adhesive it comes with is for a perfect dry room, so after a few weeks it will start to come off the wall, you might need some tiny screws which is why i went with the extra glue.

[Mark...]

I like that under the stand!

I'll keep an eye on it and add a screw if necessary.

[Mark...]

I'm plum tired...and fumed out too...hoping for no leaks and that my design actually works...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/plumbing.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/plumbing2.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/plumbing3.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/plumbing4.jpg

[Sonicboom]

lookin good!!, hopefully you put the gate valves in the right direction... instead of left loosy righty tighty, mine were righty loosey lefty tighty. luckily i dry fit mine with teflon tape first, then a few days later, glue permanently. when is the wet test?

[Mark...]

lookin good!!, hopefully you put the gate valves in the right direction... instead of left loosy righty tighty, mine were righty loosey lefty tighty. luckily i dry fit mine with teflon tape first, then a few days later, glue permanently. when is the wet test?

The gates are slip with unions on each side. I must of tested the valve positions a dozen times...lol.

I'm most nervous about the slip connections into the bulk heads underneath the tank.I just prefer threads in that area.

I have some minor plumbing to add, (should finish that tomorrow) Some final cleaning and I have another 50 lbs of rock coming and will be scaping over the next few days or so. Then the big water test. Do you general use salt water for the test or just fresh ro? I have the live Figi pink sand, so I guess that calls for salt water.

[Sonicboom]

look at the valves on the gates, there is an O and a C with arrows. Not sure about others but i just went with tap water and scrubbed everything down and ran everything to get all the bit of everything out, then drained it and started the RO and added 1 bucket of salt straight to the tank since it was empty. Just add the "live" sand after the water test.

[Mark...]

look at the valves on the gates, there is an O and a C with arrows. Not sure about others but i just went with tap water and scrubbed everything down and ran everything to get all the bit of everything out, then drained it and started the RO and added 1 bucket of salt straight to the tank since it was empty. Just add the "live" sand after the water test.

Good idea, I really want to test this out. tomorrow I'll fire it up...

[zachhll]

this is looking pretty sweet

[Mark...]

Working on the scape and making RO/DI...should be running by Monday...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/scape.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/scape2.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Soo, is that the pile of rock you will be using or is that the aquascaping done?

[Mark...]

Soo, is that the pile of rock you will be using or is that the aquascaping done?

Both actually...:)

I 'm trying to imitate this one:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/thesnakehunter36/cpfarm.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Ah I understand now, I think I tried to imitate 4 different types and changed them all at one point or another

[Mark...]

Ah I understand now, I think I tried to imitate 4 different types and changed them all at one point or another

I'm still adjusting rock. It gets better as I go along. I'm also going for a more minimal/moderate amount of rock. I like the negative sand areas too.

[Mark...]

Some adjustments...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/scape3.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Your almost there!..lol are you going to put a frame or egg crate under it or just lay in sand?

[Mark...]

Your almost there!..lol are you going to put a frame or egg crate under it or just lay in sand?

Its an acrylic tank, so just putting the rock on the bottom. Fiji pink around the rock work.

[Sonicboom]

Cool, can't wait to see it in the tank

[cas1069]

Final decided on the return pump...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/pump2.jpg

i use a 10 on my tank and its a great pump when it works so far i'm on the 3rd impeller first 2 were recalled. make sure you register your pump with sicce they have great support and will work with you even if your out of warranty

[Mark...]

i use a 10 on my tank and its a great pump when it works so far i'm on the 3rd impeller first 2 were recalled. make sure you register your pump with sicce they have great support and will work with you even if your out of warranty

Thanks, how old is your pump? I hope the impeller issue don't effect this one.

[Sonicboom]

Knock on wood no issues with my speedwave dc10k. Not sure if the Sicce has slow start but that is a pump saver if you plan on shutting it off for feedings.

[Mark...]

Thinking this might be the one...

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s640x640/10371502_10202438052420186_7119334805447014556_n.jpg

[Sonicboom]

So far that looks the best!, of course once you start moving it it might change again. .lol

[dave.m]

Somehow I just can't get my mind around the concept of dachshunds in a reef tank. I don't know... maybe it's me...

http://www.bangngangan.com/thumb/diagonal-banded-sweetlips-fish-plectorhinchus-lineatus-tropical_148786_thumb.jpg

Dave.M

[Mark...]

So far that looks the best!, of course once you start moving it it might change again. .lol

I know! I just rinsed the rock on the left and now its "now how was that?" :)

[Mark...]

So far that looks the best!, of course once you start moving it it might change again. .lol

Actually the one with his butt towards the rock loves my pool, he does laps for yellow tennis balls...:dance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c__5aP3ta8w

[Sonicboom]

I know! I just rinsed the rock on the left and now its "now how was that?" :)

Haha, happens every time. The good thing it usually turns out better every time you mess with it.

[Mark...]

Haha, happens every time. The good thing it usually turns out better every time you mess with it.

Even with taking detailed pictures, once the rock was moved, it never found its way back home...:headwallblue:

First take...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10411270_10202438990963649_2729940157034516202_n.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Looks like a nice dropoff!, make sure you have room for the magnet to pass.

[cas1069]

Thanks, how old is your pump? I hope the impeller issue don't effect this one.

ive had it since 2010-2011ish so kinda old
the new impeller should have a green dot on the top of it if its the same as the 10. the support from them is great if you need it and I hope you do not but its nice if you do. I just with they would bring down the price on tunez pumps now that they took them over

[cas1069]

Even with taking detailed pictures, once the rock was moved, it never found its way back home...:headwallblue:

First take...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10411270_10202438990963649_2729940157034516202_n.jpg

looks good can't wait to see it full of coral

[Mark...]

Final answer, otherwise I'll go crazy...

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10325743_10202439123926973_7031484623628198613_n.jpg

[Mark...]

ive had it since 2010-2011ish so kinda old
the new impeller should have a green dot on the top of it if its the same as the 10. the support from them is great if you need it and I hope you do not but its nice if you do. I just with they would bring down the price on tunez pumps now that they took them over

I bought it new off an Ebay seller at a great price, so I can't register it. I did leave my name with the company, but don't have a store receipt.

[Sonicboom]

Haha, can you do a top down shot so we can see how much room is open in the back?

[Mark...]

Haha, can you do a top down shot so we can see how much room is open in the back?


Under the moons...:

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10372112_10202439403053951_8908139552567847621_n.jpg

[Sonicboom]

Looks great but I would try to make space in front so you can put some corals on the sand. Just my opinion. This is ultimately your tank. :)

[Mark...]

Looks great but I would try to make space in front so you can put some corals on the sand. Just my opinion. This is ultimately your tank. :)

Good idea, now how to do it...lol

There is a fairly open space on the other end though...

[Mark...]

Sand and fill...

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10402454_10202439857025300_5645043849687515108_n.jpg?oh=23cebc8ad1fea80ce3297de1dd80026c&oe=5406CC58

[ReefingWerewolf]

Mark, hate to brake it too you, but i might just have a crush on your tank :I

[Mark...]

Mark, hate to brake it too you, but i might just have a crush on your tank :I

Thanks for the kind words...

[Sonicboom]

Nice! Should be all clear by the morning!

[Sonicboom]

Update?

[Mark...]

Update?

Making the last batch of ro/di...:lol2:

[Sonicboom]

If you have a DC pump you can start it going on setting 1, that way you can start circulating.

[Mark...]

If you have a DC pump you can start it going on setting 1, that way you can start circulating.

You mean the wp40s?

[Sonicboom]

No, the return pump

[Mark...]

No, the return pump


Its not a DC pump...I'm only a few hours away...about 22.44 gals? :bounce1:

[Mark...]

I've spent the last few hours balancing the system and what a PITA that was...
I also had to fix my dry emergency...thank goodness I tested it...!
Had to raise my return line outflows, I was siphoning too much water back to the sump.
My return pump motor spills some nasty vibration/noise. I did the mouse pad trick and it helped. I also will add 12" of flex ASAP to reduce the vibration more.

Here it is as of a few minutes ago:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10304568_10202457744712481_1809711708537235902_n.jpg

[Mark...]

When should I fire up the wp40s? Now or wait?

[cas1069]

I've spent the last few hours balancing the system and what a PITA that was...
I also had to fix my dry emergency...thank goodness I tested it...!
Had to raise my return line outflows, I was siphoning too much water back to the sump.
My return pump motor spills some nasty vibration/noise. I did the mouse pad trick and it helped. I also will add 12" of flex ASAP to reduce the vibration more.

Here it is as of a few minutes ago:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10304568_10202457744712481_1809711708537235902_n.jpg

I took the clip on base of my pump and it helped stop the noise I also put some filterfloss under the pump so its not sitting on the glass

[cas1069]

When should I fire up the wp40s? Now or wait?

fire them up they will help clear the tank

[Mark...]

Temp and salinity just about there, will add the flex pipe later today (too much vibration/noise) and probably start the cycle very soon. I plan on doing a lights out cycle. I saw a BRS video where they say a dark period on initial start up gives you a bio film on the rock that help prevent algae from attaching to the rock somewhat.

Question...I plan on running GFO and skimmer when cycle starts. Is that the standard why to go?

[dave.m]

Skimmer, yes. GFO as required.

Dave.M

[SPotter]

Looking great Mark!!!!

[Mark...]

Thanks Steve...

It cycle day!

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/shrimp3.jpg

[dave.m]

You're doing it wrong!

http://www.bauerphoto.com/phototips/BarbieQ.JPG

;)

djm

[Mark...]

I know, its a waste of two jumbo shrimp...

[Mark...]

So is it true that the light sensors on the wp40s or any of their models wont work with high intensity lights including LEDS?

[Sonicboom]

yea, it says it will damage the sensor, you can just place a tiny 5.00 USB powered led under the cabinet to come on when the lights do and it can use that.

[Mark...]

yea, it says it will damage the sensor, you can just place a tiny 5.00 USB powered led under the cabinet to come on when the lights do and it can use that.

Great idea....

[Mark...]

Question: My sand came with small bags of "bio clarifer" Any reason I shouldn't use them? My tank is clearing up, but still have dust settling.

[Sonicboom]

I wouldn't bother, the cloudiness isn't bothering those dead shrimp anyway...lol

[Mark...]

I wouldn't bother, the cloudiness isn't bothering those dead shrimp anyway...lol


LOL...I call them my little Jimmy Hoffas...

[Sonicboom]

Haha, nice! Make some tombstones out of live rock...lol! Wait till you go to pull out the scraps in a few weeks:facepalm:...lol

[Mark...]

Haha, nice! Make some tombstones out of live rock...lol! Wait till you go to pull out the scraps in a few weeks:facepalm:...lol

Thet are in a black nylon...:dance: for easy removal...

[Sonicboom]

Well played sir. Well played.

[Mark...]

As my cycle starts I thought I start throwing out some possible residents for the new tank.

I have a green chromis who has been hanging out in my frag tank with his yellow fin damsel friend. He gets first shot of the new tank, the damsel goes in the sump.

After that, it will be QT time for everyone. My only reservation is how do you QT a jaw fish in a BB tank?

Some other possible residents are pajama cardinals, flame angel, eventually a clown pair. Firefish...to name a few. I'm leery about any tangs, they are beautiful, but seem to be disease magnets.

I really want a peaceful tank. I'm going with a less is more approach.

Love to hear some suggestions from you guys.

[Sonicboom]

All look like good choices. The flame angel might be hit or miss. They can also be a little aggressive if introduced first. The jaw fish will be fine with some pvc.

[dave.m]

The goby will be fine for a few weeks without a sand bottom. I'd also rethink your tang stance. They are major algae control agents. They can get ick if they are upset or water conditions aren't right but you can use that to your advantage. e.g. canary in the coal mine.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

Thanks for the feedback on the fish...keep those suggestions coming!

As I hit the 48 hour mark of the cycle, I ran the obligatory tests:

All Red Sea test kits, but Hanna for the Phosphate...
On many of these, the colors were extremely close. I even borrowed my sons eyes for a second opinion.

Temp 78.2
Salinity 1.025
Ammonia 0.3 this one could of been a .2 or .4...we spit in the middle
Nitrite 0
Nitrate...skipped...figured no nitrite, should be no nitrate in the early stages.
Phosphate 0.07
Ph 8 very close, could be 7.8
kh 9 Also close could be 10

[Mark...]

Current picture, gets clearer...made small rock adjustments.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/s640x640/10154432_10202483696001247_5567527131599747647_n.jpg

[Mark...]

Changed the scape a bit, wasn't 100% happy with it...

Cycle day 4:

Temp 77.7
Salanity 1.024
Ammonia 0.8
Nitrites 0.1

[Mark...]

Some scape changes...better or worse? Took Sonicbooms advise for more open sand in the viewing area.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10351473_10202494314026691_302052195102597323_n.jpg

[Sonicboom]

That looks so much more natural, now I want my sand bed deeper..the good thing is as you stack the rock upwards, you are adding water volume.

[Mark...]

That looks so much more natural, now I want my sand bed deeper..the good thing is as you stack the rock upwards, you are adding water volume.

Thanks, I have 180 lbs of sand. It was really deep in spots till I adjusted the wp40s. I'm going to see where it goes now and possible make some sand adjustment. I was afraid, I was going to have a partial DSB...:D

[dave.m]

I would take the highest rock off the top of the pile on the right and add it to the far back corner of the left side pile. That would balance out the "skyline" and keep your waterways clear for fish to swim and corals to grow into.

From here:

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/djm_1/Reef%20Images/Mark1_zps0ee7b664.jpg

To here:

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/djm_1/Reef%20Images/Mark2_zps96894d37.jpg

Just a suggestion.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

I like it Dave! Thats pretty cool how you did that. Saved me from moving it.

[dave.m]

I guess I should have washed my hands before putting them in your tank. Sorry about that, chief!

Dave.M

[Mark...]

I guess I should have washed my hands before putting them in your tank. Sorry about that, chief!

Dave.M

You Bastard...lol

[Newbie Aquarist]

Love the new scape and what Dave did also. Like the Kyle saying too.

[Mark...]

Started the skimmer yesterday and pulled this up, evidently those are two dirty shrimp...I had heard it was going to take a while to get the Tunze running properly, but only took overnight.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/skimate.jpg

[Mark...]

Captains log: Day 8 of cycle June 4th, 2014

Temp: 78.5
Salinity 1.024
Phosphate: 0.24
Ammonia 0.8
Nitrite 0.5

I bit concerned about the phosphate, even have small 1/2 cup of GFO running.

Also two shrimp in nylon are almost gone. I'd say about 20% left, should I ghost feed when they are gone?

Latest scape design:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/tank4.jpg

[SPotter]

looks great Mark. Did you rinse or dip the rocks before putting them in the tank?

[Mark...]

looks great Mark. Did you rinse or dip the rocks before putting them in the tank?

3 rocks from BRS soaked for months. The rest is from reef rocks, which has a good rep for low or no Phosphate. I did rinse all those off.

[Mark...]

Added more shrimp today...Go cycle!!

[Sonicboom]

Man that was fast for those first two!, I would guess you should be ready once these latest ones are gone and ammonia hits 0.

[Mark...]

Man that was fast for those first two!, I would guess you should be ready once these latest ones are gone and ammonia hits 0.

I hope so...but the Ammonia only maxed at .8 Nitrites .5 and Nitrate 2...

I added 3 medium shrimp. Asked the deli guy, if he had any bad shrimp laying around...what a look I got...:rollface:

[Sonicboom]

I think I added one medium shrimp and some bits of raw fish. I don't think my ammonia got all that high either.

[Mark...]

I think I added one medium shrimp and some bits of raw fish. I don't think my ammonia got all that high either.

Good, I'll just wait things out. It's taken me months to get here, a few more weeks is no problem. Still doing fine tuning anyway and relaxing.

[Mark...]

Mounted the doors today, after finishing under the stand wiring. Still have some trim pieces to add on the bottom edges.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand6.jpg

[Newbie Aquarist]

The stand looks nice Mark. Nice progress on the cycle.

[Sonicboom]

Stand looks awesome, please send me the plans for it so I can redo mine..lol

[Mark...]

Stand looks awesome, please send me the plans for it so I can redo mine..lol


Thanks guys! I built the frame off Rocket engineers design, my buddy built the rest with me as his gopher and right hand man...:p

We were high as a kite doing 5 coats of laquer...:)

I have some trim pieces still to do and have handles to mount.

[Sonicboom]

Ah OK then, I did mine off rocket engineers design as well, my skinning is what blows...

[Mark...]

Ah OK then, I did mine off rocket engineers design as well, my skinning is what blows...

Don't feel bad, his tools were from another planet...:eek2:

[tommyboynj]

Looking sharp. Sent you a text. How are those frags doing?

[Mark...]

Question:

I have 180 lbs of Figi pink in the tank and between the two wp40s and a decent return of at least 1000+gph return, I'm getting some pretty big sand dunes. (3-4) I actually like the way the sand looks, but concerned about the deep spots. As deep as 4-5 inches. I tried aiming the pumps in different directions, but still get the dunes. Pumps are at slow speed too. Should I be concerned about the deep areas?

Thanks

[Newbie Aquarist]

Question:

I have 180 lbs of Figi pink in the tank and between the two wp40s and a decent return of at least 1000+gph return, I'm getting some pretty big sand dunes. (3-4) I actually like the way the sand looks, but concerned about the deep spots. As deep as 4-5 inches. I tried aiming the pumps in different directions, but still get the dunes. Pumps are at slow speed too. Should I be concerned about the deep areas?

Thanks

Not really especially once the dust settles.

[Sonicboom]

Not really especially once the dust settles.

+1
I would just be worried about a rock falling on bare bottom. Same happened to me with the dunes, I kept adjusting the power heads position and direction and filling in the dune. Now I run 1 wp 40 and two tune 6055's, and return on max pulse with no dunes.

[Mark...]

My rock is on the bottom of the tank, I think I'm good there, just cant imagine getting the pumps adjusted to have no dunes. I might have to change those wp40s to 25s...

But if the high dunes don't present a problem, I'm good with that...

[dave.m]

Get large grain sand and/or rubble and spread it over the areas that feed the dunes.

Dave.M

[Mark...]

Cheap insurance...works great too...

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/leak.jpg

[Mark...]

Captains log: Day 11 of cycle 6/7/14

Ammonia .8 steady at .8
Nitrites 1.0 up from .5

[Mark...]

Captains Log, day 14 of cycle: Opinions of where I'm at...I still have about 50% of 3 medium shrimp in the tank. After the first two jumbos dissolved.

Temp: 78.8
Salinity 1.024
Ammonia 0.0
Nitrite 1.0
Nitrates 20 could be higher, tough to read...
alk 7
ph 7.6
Phosphate .04 (Small amount of GFO is running)

Switched to else mode on the wp 40s and it seems to have stopped the sand drifts. Only problem is the ramping up and down sound is annoying...

I added the handles to the stand:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/stand7-1.jpg