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nmbeg
11/06/2013, 12:46 AM
I started my 125-gallon in 2007. It went well for a while, but then suffered a power outage while I was out for the weekend in 2009. It never recovered fully from that. I should have rebuilt right away but I kinda let it hobble on.

For the past three years, I have done nothing but occasional feeds (once per month) and water top off. The last fish (a purple stripe dottyback--what a survivor!) finally died last month.

I am thinking its time to break it down and start over. Not sure I have the courage. I need moral support.

Here are some pics:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/ze7y3ahe.jpg
Beautiful in-wall setup in basement.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/9uga5y5u.jpg
Close-up in the front--coralline dominates, can barely see inside.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/9epanuna.jpg
Two snails survive (3 inches each)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/ju6ape5a.jpg
Coralline plus green algae on rocks--not too bad actually since I don't feed, the only nutrients are from the useless long-expired RO/DI filters.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/a3ybe5ys.jpg
Back room set-up: sump, top off tanks, etc.

Thanks for any support!

willyboy
11/06/2013, 02:08 AM
That sure is a beautiful in wall setup. Maybe look over some of the threads about minimalistic aquascaping or the incredible tanks threads and look for inspiration. You can talk about rebuilding the tank but it won't happen unless you find some real inspiration to get you going again. Woooo!

nmbeg
11/08/2013, 12:04 AM
Step 1 of rebuild: fix electrical system.

When I installed the tank, I had an electrician install a new electrical circuit. He placed a GFCI receptacle down near the base of the stand on one side, and another receptacle, non-GFCI, in series with it, on the other bottom corner. He and I were too stupid to know any better. So when one appliance fused, the WHOLE tank went down (happened often). And both receptacles are victims of rust.

So I installed a new receptacle, GFCI, far above the tank. The plan is to install 2 more GFCI receptacles in parallel with this one.

PS this means I officially started the rebuild!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/u7a7y4u4.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/2e6e3epy.jpg

Oh, and I turned on my halides after like two years (they used to fuse all the time--let's see if the new receptacle solves it). Anyway, here's a well-lit shot of the tank: (the middle MH is a different color?!?)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/y8asy8u3.jpg

Mxman38
11/08/2013, 12:24 AM
Oh my lanta

willyboy
11/08/2013, 12:35 AM
Woohooo! Looking good!

nmbeg
11/08/2013, 10:56 AM
sorry pictures didn't come through first time--let's try again:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/u7a7y4u4.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/2e6e3epy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/y8asy8u3.jpg

nmbeg
11/09/2013, 01:44 AM
I now have three GFCI receptacles in parallel installed. Next step--work on lighting.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/eme6u8up.jpg
Sorry not the best picture, but you can see the three receptacles.

willyboy
11/09/2013, 02:05 AM
Looking good! Are you getting new lights or just replacing bulbs? It looks like there are hanging cables on the light fixture but you have it sitting on the tank. Next thing you should do is clean the front glass so we can see in the tank!!:lmao:

Are you going to actually completely empty the tank and clean it and start over with new rock/sand/water? If so I guess it doesn't matter if you leave the glass dirty for now. :spin3:

P.S. -- When I post with pictures I always "preview post" before submitting it to make sure they got in the post right.

james30ct
11/09/2013, 08:21 AM
+1 it does look really good built in that wall.

nmbeg
11/09/2013, 09:57 AM
Looking good! Are you getting new lights or just replacing bulbs? It looks like there are hanging cables on the light fixture but you have it sitting on the tank. Next thing you should do is clean the front glass so we can see in the tank!!:lmao:

Are you going to actually completely empty the tank and clean it and start over with new rock/sand/water? If so I guess it doesn't matter if you leave the glass dirty for now. :spin3:

P.S. -- When I post with pictures I always "preview post" before submitting it to make sure they got in the post right.

I have all new bulbs sitting and waiting (MH 250x3 and T5 x 8, I forget the wavelengths), but I have LEDs haunting my dreams.

I have hanging cables that I use to prop up the lights when I am working in the tank--there are hooks in the boards above the tank that I loop the wires through to lift the lights about 8 inches up so I can get my hands in, then lower the lights for best display.

I am thinking to take the whole DT apart, that's why I haven't cleaned the front yet. Want to fix the other systems before I bother cleaning everything out.

I am using tapatalk iPad app which is kinda screwing up the pictures.

Thanks!

nmbeg
11/09/2013, 09:58 AM
+1 it does look really good built in that wall.

Thanks!

nmbeg
11/11/2013, 02:25 AM
Got a little work accomplished over the weekend. Finished all electrical work and cleaned up the wires. Replaced old power strips.

Then the real fun begun--started the break down. Saved one live rock, a star, and two snails into the sump, and took out all the live rock, sand, and water. Started to scrape all the coralline. Added some tap water for rinse. This is where we are now:
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And this is what the back looks like when I am in full swing:
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Next steps--keep scraping algae!

nmbeg
11/12/2013, 10:42 AM
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nmbeg
11/12/2013, 10:46 AM
Wow, look how far we've come!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/13/6a8yhy4e.jpg

nmbeg
11/12/2013, 11:04 AM
I was able to strip all of the algae -- vinegar bath really helped. Also stripped the blue paint from the back -- going for a new look -- don't want coralline bathe back, but I can't clean it if I can't see it from the back, so no more paint. Will have to keep the back room clean and presentable though.

Also started sump breakdown. Two snails and a star, along with a couple of LR and a handful of sand, are now in a bucket.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/13/vu3e3u2y.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/13/qabera8e.jpg

nmbeg
11/12/2013, 11:25 AM
Here's a huge dilemna: my plumbing has leaked for years. The bulkheads in the overflow area are loose because there is not way for me to tighten the nuts:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/10822529124_5d45b210fa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10822529124/)


It's like this on both sides. There is about 1cm clearance between glass and wood, and less than that around the pipe. Can barely even fit fingers in there to tighten the nut, let alone any tool. My only solution is to cut the pipe, lift the tank off the stand, and start over. Except that it's an in-wall so there is no room to lift up, and no room to slide without taking off the bulkhead. I'm kinda screwed.

RedStangGA
11/12/2013, 12:08 PM
Can't help you on getting the tank out( how'd you get it in there lol!) but as far as the back Home Depot and Lowes sell a privacy tint that static clings basically. So you can take it down to clean and put it back on when done to hide the equipment room. Just a thought.

Do you have any kids with small hands that can reach up there and slowly turn the bulkhead? What about turning the bulkhead from the top? Or, remove the overflow and cut the bulkhead off from the top.

nmbeg
11/12/2013, 02:18 PM
I was planning on using a hard plastic, painted blue, that I could just slide behind the tank for display, and slide out when i need access from the back.

as for the bulkhead--kids might be able to reach, but wouldn't have enough torque--need a wrench. I could turn from the top, but that means cutting the pipes, which i didn't want to do, but now I think i have to--and if I am cutting pipes, that opens up a lot of possibilities.

thanks!

nmbeg
11/12/2013, 02:24 PM
Cool story--at one point in my life, I found that the only way to turn that nut was to use a screwdriver braced against the side of the nut, and use a hammer to tap the screwdriver, causing the nut to turn. it was actually working.

at that point, i found myself lying on my back, under a full tank, weighing probably a ton, made out of glass, with me tapping at it with a screwdriver and a hammer. When I realized what I was doing, I actually panicked and realized that in fact, I do not want to die, and got the hell out of there.

so it still leaks.

TD
11/12/2013, 03:31 PM
Here's a huge dilemna: my plumbing has leaked for years. The bulkheads in the overflow area are loose because there is not way for me to tighten the nuts:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/10822529124_5d45b210fa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10822529124/)


It's like this on both sides. There is about 1cm clearance between glass and wood, and less than that around the pipe. Can barely even fit fingers in there to tighten the nut, let alone any tool. My only solution is to cut the pipe, lift the tank off the stand, and start over. Except that it's an in-wall so there is no room to lift up, and no room to slide without taking off the bulkhead. I'm kinda screwed.



I had the same problem and basically ending up cutting out the whole corner so I could get my hand on the bulkheads. Then just put 2x4 legs on either side of the corner for support. My tank's trim raises the bottom class about 1/2 inch above the stand. Would it be possible to carefully cut the wood so it is about 1/2 thick left and then just remove the last 1/2 inch with a pliers?
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nmbeg
11/13/2013, 02:01 AM
Ding Dong! The witch is dead!

I finally, after all these years, was able to go tighten the leak. First of all, I had to empty the tank, which I was already doing as part of my break-down and rebuild.

I was then able to prop it up just an inch or two:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/10833393215_a6a974ffea_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10833393215/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5538/10833723573_a7aae4be8e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10833723573/)

In order to accomplish this, I needed to tear apart the frame on the outer side:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5498/10833604094_55e489e320_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10833604094/)

This is how much room I had to work with:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/10833568024_32595a11ba_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10833568024/)

But in the end, I was able to tighten the nuts. Just hope I didn't overtighten!

nmbeg
11/13/2013, 02:07 AM
In other news, I took apart and cleaned the sump. I am fully broken down now. Need to clean sand and rocks, and after that I will be all cleaned as well, and the rebuild can begin.

Also, received my new Reef Octopus Diablo skimmer! super excited to see it in action!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/10833491566_0fd9996bc3_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10833491566/)

nmbeg
11/14/2013, 02:26 AM
Put sump back in place, fixed plumbing, and added a lot more plumbing for a secondary sump to put my new protein skimmer. I cannot put my protein skimmer in my real sump because (1) the water level is too deep in my sump and (2) there is too little vertical height beneath the tank. My prior sump sat outside on an upside-down bucket. This one will go into a rubbermaid secondary sump--had to do a lot more plumbing to accomplish that.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3830/10850673754_468271920c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10850673754/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5507/10850585306_843d1f500e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10850585306/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10850859223_1858d4051b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10850859223/)

willyboy
11/14/2013, 04:39 AM
Man! You've been busy!

Do you have any stocking plans or interesting aquascaping coming up?

chris_88
11/14/2013, 04:55 AM
I was planning on using a hard plastic, painted blue, that I could just slide behind the tank for display, and slide out when i need access from the back.



On the local forum I'm with, one of the members uses Velcro and clothe on the back of the tanks so if he wants he can change the color

postshawn
11/14/2013, 12:49 PM
Just an idea for the back look of the tank. I don't know how hight he ceilings are but maybe you can mount a pull down background, like how a project screen works. You can pick a solid color or get a picture printed on one. Then you can set it about a foot back from the tank and when you are not working in that back room you can just pull it down for a clean look. Then when you need you just let it roll back up out of the way when you are in the back room. Kind of hits both ideas of a clean background that's not permanent and a see through of each side.

Great setup otherwise. Can't wait to see it all stocked up.

nmbeg
11/14/2013, 12:53 PM
Very nice idea. Maybe even just a cheap projector screen painted blue suspended from the ceiling....

nmbeg
11/14/2013, 12:57 PM
Man! You've been busy!

Do you have any stocking plans or interesting aquascaping coming up?

Stocking.... Wow haven't even thought that far--previously my favorite inhabitants were: yellow tang, blue hippo, diamond goby, purple firefish, purple/yellow basslet, clown. Would love those guys back. One thing I wanted to get into was anthias but never got that far--their feeding schedule scares me.

I had good softies, and was just getting into SPS when my first original big crash happened. Definitely want to have a lot of SPS.

nmbeg
11/15/2013, 01:03 PM
Finished plumbing in the secondary sump for my new monster Diablo skimmer--but of course there was a leak in my plumbing, so I am waiting for silicone to dry before I can do more. I am using a Brute as a secondary sump with bulkheads--some say it can't be done, but I figure, what have I got to lose? (famous last words)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5473/10873656325_12a1db578d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10873656325/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5521/10873975263_f7bc494851_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10873975263/)

Also, installed my new RO/DI from BRS, which unfortunately leaks--working with customer support to fix it (they are helpful so far).

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7327/10873692896_8dfae2b10b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10873692896/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/10873693336_b55d736ec1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10873693336/)

maddmaxx
11/15/2013, 04:06 PM
rebuilds suck, but so rewarding when finished. and seems like your doin very very well with this rebuild. good luck and good job so far...

nmbeg
11/18/2013, 12:20 AM
with my new secondary sump, i've had to re-do a lot of plumbing, which leaked, and has set me back a few days. I finally have things un-leaked, i think. The official tap water phase has begun tonight, with no immediate leaks yet.

Also, made the backing--I like the projector screen idea, but for now went with a simple wooden board--I forget what it is called, something between cardboard and plywood--and painted in blue. It will rest freely just behind the tank, easily removed for access/cleaning etc.

The board:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/10920501026_0988f4a00c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10920501026/)

Primer layer (got the kids to help):

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/10920493036_54f4991dd7_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10920493036/)

Paint Layer:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/10920571764_3ee4b09a0f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10920571764/)

Not pictured is a clear final layer for waterproofing, front and back.

nmbeg
11/18/2013, 12:22 AM
rebuilds suck, but so rewarding when finished. and seems like your doin very very well with this rebuild. good luck and good job so far...

I don't know... I'm kinda having fun (until the stupid plumbing leaks that set me back for a couple of days). It gives me a chance to do it right this time around. Also making sure not to cut corners or take shortcuts this time around--which, like you said, I think will be rewarded in the future.

thanks for the kind words!

nmbeg
11/23/2013, 09:01 AM
Well, I have been working night shift for this past week, so I had little time to devote to the tank.

That being said, the current project was cleaning my old sand, one batch at a time:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2893/10951131425_e5c482e69d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10951131425/)

Started filling up the tank with RO/DI and the sand as I cleaned it:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7383/10951123525_8da27fd87a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10951123525/)

Here is a little more progress:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/10951362093_6cf7aae407_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10951362093/)

Got my old rocks ready for a bleach bath:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/11010616884_01ccc9e63c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11010616884/)

It's less than 20 degress outside, and I am not sure what the freezing point of bleach/water mix is, but I hope the powerhead is enough to keep water from freezing over.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3699/11010537566_d5777cce74_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11010537566/)

Also, the wife and I decided to pain the basement:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/11010444665_b0742b99c0_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11010444665/)

nmbeg
12/01/2013, 05:59 PM
in case you missed it, the rock bleaching hasn't gone so well: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22136222#post22136222

nmbeg
12/01/2013, 06:05 PM
Got my ReefBreeders value LEDs, super excited to set them up:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3764/11161934213_dd4a868609_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11161934213/)

Got them installed and running. Had to tweak the colors to get it looking right:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/11161749435_8863a987d8_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11161749435/)

The Reefbreeders fuge light is quite red. hope it grows some good cheato.

My ammonia one week ago was almost 2, now it's 0.25, so I am well on my way.... just don't have any rock yet... it's all frozen outside!

Saltydrip
12/01/2013, 06:28 PM
Lookin great!! I can't wait to have a proper fish room.

I would at least put up some paneling up to cover that insulation. It will slowly shed fibers that probably won't harm the tank but are not good for you and the kids to be breathing.

nmbeg
12/01/2013, 06:30 PM
Thanks for the tip about the insulation

bdeibler
12/01/2013, 10:47 PM
Looking good, Defiantly going to keep following this!!

p.s. love those led lights!

maddmaxx
12/01/2013, 11:02 PM
i heard those reefbreeders fuge lights are good. they grow many kinds of macro in fuges rather quickly. i have been eyeing them up for some time now...

nmbeg
12/01/2013, 11:59 PM
Some new pictures.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/11166701213_6e1b248d25_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11166701213/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3774/11166608164_025184d434_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11166608164/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5478/11166598684_bb37b0eb08_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11166598684/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7342/11166709823_0b2c3a10c7_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11166709823/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/11166716923_27a8288845_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11166716923/)

RastaFan
12/02/2013, 05:15 PM
looks good, following this..

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 12:00 AM
so, update time. First things first--the rocks were rescued from the deep freeze in bleach:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5471/11177559254_282559f58e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11177559254/)

Then given a muriatic acid bath:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5538/11177540366_0d8cccaac3_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11177540366/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3727/11177496975_d93ef3334d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11177496975/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3786/11177563036_6ddaf59290_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11177563036/)

After a proper rinsing, I tried to create some bridges and caves using PVC pipes:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/11201158005_369bfd90e3_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11201158005/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/11201166046_91471b960c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11201166046/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/11201148924_79e9e579c1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11201148924/)

And this is the finished product. Most of the PVC is well hidden, and I hope coralline hides the rest:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/11201153965_07c0a4c24d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11201153965/)

Let the cycling begin!

Two tasks remain:
1) clean out and install my GFO and carbon reactors
2) Buy new water reservoirs and design a better holding/ATO/kalk station

maddmaxx
12/04/2013, 12:04 AM
looks nice and clean... good job

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 12:24 AM
looks nice and clean... good job

thanks! by bro-in-law borrowed my camera, so these are all iphone or hero pics--they don't do the tank justice! the colors and clarity are actually superb, and hopefully I can share that with you guys soon.

maddmaxx
12/04/2013, 02:22 AM
question about the lights,, have a nice spread to them? do you see spot light affect with them? do you the colors blend well together or do you see different colors on the sand bed? are those the 16" or the 24"? and last question, sorry just really curious about them, what optics did you go with?

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 07:31 AM
I went with 3x16", 120-degree optics, about 8" above water. Spread is great--only dark spot is about the top third of the background glass. Very bright (pics do not do justice).

But yes, I do get individual color effects--on the sand I can see red spots and blue spots. I don't know if that's just with all LEDs or with these cheaper ones.

There is also a lot of shimmer effect, which I don't like as much, but it actually helps dissipate the color-spot effects.

Overall very happy with the color and brightness. Would not go back to my MH + T5 for now.

acidflea
12/04/2013, 04:19 PM
Looks good! I like how open the tank looks. I also like the bridge and cave hidden PVC. How many lbs of rock do you have in your 125? I am going to start a 125 soon and I am thinking about mostly base/dry and adding a few lbs of live to seed the base/dry.

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 05:45 PM
I have about 150 lbs in total, probably 75 in the DT and same amount in sump/fuge and the rest sitting around.

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 05:46 PM
Ps I would recommend 120 instead of 125 for added depth.

nmbeg
12/04/2013, 05:47 PM
Or 180 hehe.....

willyboy
12/04/2013, 10:21 PM
Looking good!

sh0ck
12/05/2013, 01:34 AM
Looking good, but..
I would dump the sand (if it is standard aragonite, not silica based) it already absorbed a lot of PO4 and will just leak it out, standard old tank syndrome.

Regarding Brute sump, u should have checked what is material exactly - if it is food grade like HDPE(in that case u should be ok). Some other materials will just dissolve and leak various chemicals.

Crimson
12/05/2013, 08:39 AM
Looking good. This is only personal choice, but I think shallow beds look better (again this is only my personal choice) then a DSB. I keep mine around 2 inches.

I use a mix of Oolite sand (can be a PITA) and Special Grade Reef.

SpencerG
12/05/2013, 09:52 PM
Great to see the rebirth of your tank. Good luck and keep going!

krzyphsygy
12/05/2013, 10:29 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I read your opening post and was a little angry at what I read. Please correct if I am wrong but you lost power while out over the weekend and the tank took a bad turn and never fully recovered? You only feed your fish once a month?

You should not be allowed to set this tank up because from what I am reading you refused to take care of your responsibility as a pet owner once things kinda went wrong? Feed the Dottyback once a month, thats pretty bad and rather upsetting.

Also you need to prepare better for your pets with a back up plan or someone to watch your tank while your away. Its not fair to the animals to leave them on there own with no support.
I have not read through this whole thread because I am a flat out disgusted.

Crimson
12/05/2013, 11:22 PM
I did bite my tongue when he starved his fish.

willyboy
12/05/2013, 11:39 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I read your opening post and was a little angry at what I read. Please correct if I am wrong but you lost power while out over the weekend and the tank took a bad turn and never fully recovered? You only feed your fish once a month?

You should not be allowed to set this tank up because from what I am reading you refused to take care of your responsibility as a pet owner once things kinda went wrong? Feed the Dottyback once a month, thats pretty bad and rather upsetting.

Also you need to prepare better for your pets with a back up plan or someone to watch your tank while your away. Its not fair to the animals to leave them on there own with no support.
I have not read through this whole thread because I am a flat out disgusted.

Jeez, you're not trying to be a jerk? He's trying to do a better job this time around. Sure he neglected his fish but he's trying to start over and not have that happen again. At least he was honest to a bunch of complete strangers, one of which had the gall to tell him that he shouldn't be allowed to keep some little fish. At least encourage him.

Nmbeg,

Keep it up. Your tank is looking really nice. I know what it's like to lose a little interest after a set-back like you had. Don't feel bad, just keep going.

fijisrfr
12/05/2013, 11:44 PM
Kindergarten was a long time ago but I seem to remember someone telling me
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"

nmbeg
12/06/2013, 12:39 AM
Krzy,

Appreciate your comments. I'm not proud of my bad husbandry, and as noted above trying to do better this time around. A little encouragement would be appreciated.

FWIW, I checked on him regularly. He was healthy, plump, and active till he disappeared one day. He went almost 2 years without feeds--but having a 125 for himself I think he found plenty of food. I don't think he starved--I wouldn't do that to a fish.

P.S. I read about how you let your fish die by purposely neglecting to cover your tank, but I am not going to suggest you leave the hobby because of that :)

ReeVo
12/06/2013, 02:19 AM
Fantastic work on the rebuild! Tank is coming along great. What kind of fish are planning on getting?

Crimson
12/06/2013, 05:25 AM
Krzy also will have the tang police after him for keeping a hippo tang in a 125 gallon. I digress, op glad you have a renewed feeling for the hobby. When the hobby felt like a chore I knew it was time for a break. So I broke down my tank several years ago and came back to it with a fresh start. I also found new technology that made reef keeping more enjoyable and less of a chore.

krzyphsygy
12/06/2013, 09:51 AM
Krzy,

Appreciate your comments. I'm not proud of my bad husbandry, and as noted above trying to do better this time around. A little encouragement would be appreciated.

FWIW, I checked on him regularly. He was healthy, plump, and active till he disappeared one day. He went almost 2 years without feeds--but having a 125 for himself I think he found plenty of food. I don't think he starved--I wouldn't do that to a fish.

P.S. I read about how you let your fish die by purposely neglecting to cover your tank, but I am not going to suggest you leave the hobby because of that :)

Not covering a tank, is quite different than not feeding an animal but once a month because the tank wasn't doing well. You can say anything you want, but the two have no comparison. You refused to provide food for a living creature under your care. That's abuse & neglect in my opinion weather a fish or a cat or a Bald Eagle, what's the difference.
We learn a lot in this hobby about caring for difficult things, and I would expect that your going to do more than try to do a good job.
Having an animal die under your care when doing the best job you can is one thing, but refusing to feed your animal is a whole different ball game. That is way different.

I'm sorry, but point is, feed your fish!

krzyphsygy
12/06/2013, 10:04 AM
Krzy also will have the tang police after him for keeping a hippo tang in a 125 gallon. I digress, op glad you have a renewed feeling for the hobby. When the hobby felt like a chore I knew it was time for a break. So I broke down my tank several years ago and came back to it with a fresh start. I also found new technology that made reef keeping more enjoyable and less of a chore.

Sorry, but that depends on what you are reading and who wrote it.A 6 foot tank is recommended for a hippo with plenty of swimming room. I have provided that.

krzyphsygy
12/06/2013, 10:07 AM
Kindergarten was a long time ago but I seem to remember someone telling me
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"

You are correct, that was said in kindergarten. I am not in kindergarten anymore and if no one acknowledges failure to feed a fish, than the OP might think its ok to do this again.
Hey, I am not perfect, and don't claim to be. Just a small voice in the hopes this wont happen again.

krzyphsygy
12/06/2013, 10:18 AM
Jeez, you're not trying to be a jerk? He's trying to do a better job this time around. Sure he neglected his fish but he's trying to start over and not have that happen again. At least he was honest to a bunch of complete strangers, one of which had the gall to tell him that he shouldn't be allowed to keep some little fish. At least encourage him.

Nmbeg,

Keep it up. Your tank is looking really nice. I know what it's like to lose a little interest after a set-back like you had. Don't feel bad, just keep going.

"Some little fish", really! So you condone this behavior of not feeding a fish for a year.
I guess were all in this hobby for different reasons. Keeping aquariums has totally changed my view of fish over the years and all animals for that matter. I have grown into an animal lover. I worked as a manager in a pet store, they paid me pretty good but I quit only after 2 months because there were so many fish dying under this companies care and it was all due to lack of training. The GM would not allow me to spend the needed time to help fix the problem. So I spent it there anyway and started getting into trouble...I soon had to quit to avoid getting fired and being unemployed.
Before I left I spent all my time teaching there techs how to eliminate the ammonia that's was causing the fish to die.
Sounds weird but I thought it was a dream job, but turns out I care about animals to much to have a career selling them.

krzyphsygy
12/06/2013, 10:24 AM
Also. Sorry to everyone if I came on a little strong. I apologize. OP, I apologize to you too for judging you.

I hope this time around everything works out. We all have issues in this hobby and strive to provide the right care.

HunterBryan
12/06/2013, 10:36 AM
Along for the ride! Love watching tanks progress and turn into masterpieces. Love the in-the-wall build. What are you planning to keep? (softies, LPS, SPS, ....etc) or just fish?

fijisrfr
12/06/2013, 11:20 AM
Also. Sorry to everyone if I came on a little strong. I apologize. OP, I apologize to you too for judging you.

I hope this time around everything works out. We all have issues in this hobby and strive to provide the right care.

Nicely said, no one wishes harm on the creatures we care for but then,we all make mistakes. I'm sure the Op has learned from his & this time around will be better.

nmbeg
12/06/2013, 02:30 PM
Thanks guys and thank you krzy or saying what needed to be said. You're right.

I think I need a hug now :)

willyboy
12/13/2013, 05:28 AM
Any updates?

vitodog
12/13/2013, 06:54 AM
Not feeding an animal for a month (year?) should not be considered to be just a "mistake", its cruel and irresponsible behavior. I hope the OP realizes that. Having said that, the OP has given himself a second chance, and based on what I have read in this post, that kind of behavior will not happen again. Just my 2 cents.

JackandJill
12/13/2013, 10:59 AM
I'm confused why everyone is up in arms anyway, wouldn't the amount of pods in a 125 be enough to sustain one tiny little fish? Wasn't there a thread here on RC like a few days ago for people who rarely or never feed their tanks?

nmbeg
12/13/2013, 07:28 PM
Thanks jack. Exactly.

As for updates, just cycling. Ammonia coming close to zero, waiting for the rest.

FastUno
12/14/2013, 12:38 AM
Tagging along for the LED update.

danimallaminad
12/14/2013, 01:38 AM
Not covering a tank, is quite different than not feeding an animal but once a month because the tank wasn't doing well.
They aren't that far apart. If you fail to cover a tank and lose multiple fish and still fail to cover the tank then you are failing at your responsibility to setup a safe and good environment for your fish. Not feeding is still bad but not giving the proper tank setup is also bad.

nmbeg
02/10/2014, 11:30 PM
Ok, it's been two months since my last post.

Accomplishments:
cycle--check.
first livestock--check.
first coral--not yet.

I have 4 fish, healthy and thriving--YT, 2 clowns, and firefish. coralline algae spreading, doing it's thing. greens beginning in fuge.

thanks for being patient!

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ctmgardea
02/11/2014, 01:33 AM
looks very nice, I will be starting a rebuild on my 180 pretty soon.
You have done a great job and encouraged me to get on with my rebuild.

vitodog
02/11/2014, 06:35 AM
Looking good. I love the aquascape.

maddmaxx
02/11/2014, 06:26 PM
again,,awesome rebound on the tank...those lights look very bright. makes everything more vivid it seems.

willyboy
05/06/2014, 02:41 AM
Looks great! Got corals in there yet?