Let's talk about the Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus. When will it get here to the States?!?

[WayneL333]

Ok, this is my new obsession. I'm just curious if anyone has any idea if and when a supermale(or even a m/f pair) will arrive here in the States. I know Koji has gotten a few beautiful specimens in, but unfortunately it appears they don't make it beyond Asia.

It looks like they're collected at 460ft. which is pretty freakin deep. I wonder how many are collected and survive the decompression...

[MikeandNicole]

You missed the female here in jersey about a year ago. I was tempted but the price rage as too rich for me. After seeing a full grown supermale, I don't even know if my 205 is big enough. I will just have to live vicariously through you lol.

[YKTea]

i've seen this species in real life a couple times before and the truly full grown supermales are huge. including the tail, around 7 inches give or take.

this is the one in koji's customer's tank, a dentist. the first picture with it swimming alongside O. katayamai, and the second picture taken by me.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/40/udru.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/14udruj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/547/45nx.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f745nxj)

the species is rare, but occasionally the japanese catch it via trawler or by deep sea challengers. this was the latest piece caught this year, in september.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/36/sv3e.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/10sv3ej)

of course, here's the really well known piece in may this yaer at DSC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_SgWHwTCKw

Blueharbor has one now currently, but its not a male. infact, its a female and he sent it to thailand.

[YKTea]

it is possible to get them. they are not as rare as the other japanese legends such as katoi and the deepwater anthias/basslets.

with some patience and of course money, you could probably get one if you requested. blueharbor has gotten them a couple handful of times already. large males are not so common though. usually females or initial phased males.

[jaa1456]

Like MikeandNicole said there was one here in NJ, actually two in NJ. The first one that was already mentioned Was a female/Juvi. The second one was a male and was sold before it even got to the store. That one was sold at a different Lfs in North Jersey. I believe it's price tag was near the 5grand mark.

[WayneL333]

Thanks for the info guys.



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/36/sv3e.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/10sv3ej)


WOW!!! They are Ginormous! I want one even more now. Thank you for sharing the pics and video. Amazing. That's crazy they're caught by trawlers and then can survive the quick decompression.

Does anyone know how much the female went for in Jersey? Which store had it? Elos?

[YKTea]

Thanks for the info guys.



WOW!!! They are Ginormous! I want one even more now. Thank you for sharing the pics and video. Amazing. That's crazy they're caught by trawlers and then can survive the quick decompression.

Does anyone know how much the female went for in Jersey? Which store had it? Elos?

trawlers, hook and line are some of the ways these crazily deep fish are caught in japan. not always do the fishes survive but these accidental catches are cheaper and if you are lucky, they do well and recover.

they get huge and swim slowly like an arowana more than a zippy cirrhilabrus.

[MikeandNicole]

Thanks for the info guys.



WOW!!! They are Ginormous! I want one even more now. Thank you for sharing the pics and video. Amazing. That's crazy they're caught by trawlers and then can survive the quick decompression.

Does anyone know how much the female went for in Jersey? Which store had it? Elos?


It was Elos (the female) and went for around $2k if my memory serves me correctly.

[DFS]

Had one for about 6 months from Koji and was growing it out from a tiny juvenile trying to get it to market. Arrived to work one morning to find the fish dead at the bottom of my office aquarium for no reason.

I was incredibly disappointed.

Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus (http://wp.me/p2wggM-46)

Will definitely try again if the opportunity every arises but this is one of the most difficult deepwater Labroids to obtain.

Kevin Kohen

[MikeandNicole]

That sucks to hear Kevin, your picture looks exactly like the one that Elos had.

BTW the lunatus and pin tail came in amazing today, well done on the packaging.

[DFS]

That sucks to hear Kevin, your picture looks exactly like the one that Elos had.

BTW the lunatus and pin tail came in amazing today, well done on the packaging.

Elos received the other one from the same shipment. I would love to see that fish now if its still around.

Great to hear the lunatus and pin tail arrived safe and sound! Enjoy and thank you so much for your order.

Kevin

[WayneL333]

trawlers, hook and line are some of the ways these crazily deep fish are caught in japan. not always do the fishes survive but these accidental catches are cheaper and if you are lucky, they do well and recover.

they get huge and swim slowly like an arowana more than a zippy cirrhilabrus.

Very interesting as I find arowanas very intriguing too!

[WayneL333]

Had one for about 6 months from Koji and was growing it out from a tiny juvenile trying to get it to market. Arrived to work one morning to find the fish dead at the bottom of my office aquarium for no reason.

I was incredibly disappointed.

Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus (http://wp.me/p2wggM-46)

Will definitely try again if the opportunity every arises but this is one of the most difficult deepwater Labroids to obtain.

Kevin Kohen

Oh man, that's too bad Kevin. I wonder if there's any info on the Lanceolatus living long term in a captive environment?.?

Since they're found so deep in Japanese water, I can't imagine the water temp being too high. What temp did you keep yours at Kevin?

[DFS]

Oh man, that's too bad Kevin. I wonder if there's any info on the Lanceolatus living long term in a captive environment?.?

Since they're found so deep in Japanese water, I can't imagine the water temp being too high. What temp did you keep yours at Kevin?

Back then my office tank was at 75-76 degrees, but the fish was very small and had grown up for 6 months or so. I dont think the demise was a result of temperature, nor any other environmental condition.

[jaa1456]

I know Elos wanted 2700 for theirs, but I believe they took 2200 for it. I also can't believe the Philippine lunate are going for the same price as the Japanese variant.

[las]

Tagging along

[jaa1456]

I need to search on here, but I'm pretty sure I posted a pic of the one from Elos when it was in with a small interupta angel.

[jaa1456]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=213230&d=1354752879


Not the greates pic, but this is the one they had.

[the808state]

I have had one for a short time a loooong time ago, from Japan. They are very aggressive This assumption is of course from the one male I had (small male), who bullied my flame wrasse he was sharing a tank with. Nice fish, but they to aggressive for me to ever consider it for a reef tank with other smaller fish.

[WayneL333]

So during my conversation with Koji, he said the lanceolatus need to be in a colder environment(18-20C) to survive and doesn't believe they'll do well in a reef environment. I was surprised to hear those temps but considering the depths they're collected its understandable. He said a few of his customers keep them in their cold water tanks along with other deep water wrasses and fish and they're doing well.

[SDguy]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/36/sv3e.jpg

Holy cry that's big fairy wrasse!

[jazzman7838]

trawlers, hook and line are some of the ways these crazily deep fish are caught in japan. not always do the fishes survive but these accidental catches are cheaper and if you are lucky, they do well and recover.

How's that work, exactly? I have a real hard time believing that these guys are being zipped up from 400+ feet to the surface and doing well. How do they deal with the embolisms?

[YKTea]

How's that work, exactly? I have a real hard time believing that these guys are being zipped up from 400+ feet to the surface and doing well. How do they deal with the embolisms?

I was wondering if anyone would ask this.

They use a very clever method that even I was shocked when I heard of it. They are quite secretive of it and I will talk about it at the next MACNA.

[YKTea]

here is a very old video with two super huge lanceolatus. the video is very poor quality, but you can see the way it swims and swishes it's giant tail around. it's so arowana like.

a behemoth of a cirrhilabrus.

http://youtu.be/-wf3QDI9oRI

[YKTea]

here is a rare video from many years back showing two really huge males in the wild.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08KNonGL3_g

and this video, of a female.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c57E9zOtOU

[the808state]

Cool video of them in the wild. They are gigantic for a fairy wrasse and are pretty mean once settled.

A lot of fish are brought up from trawling. If they are needled quickly, smaller fish seem to bounce back (with the help of some meds too). Its pretty crazy that they do survive that, but it has happened many times.

[nonstopfishies]

The version of these that are trickling into the US now seem to be a variation?? Don't think I can post the link, but NYA has a male and I think DD has had a few they call Lanceolatus..

[nikon187]

I believe they were cf. lanceolatus not the true japanese variant

[nonstopfishies]

I believe they were cf. lanceolatus not the true japanese variant

Ahh yes. I did notice that. What does cf. mean?

[the808state]

cirrhilabrus cf. sp means a variant or thought to be subspecies. This is the easy way of saying it looks the same but will be eventually classified as a different species (once DNA is done) The ones from Philippines are much smaller too. Japanese ones look different and can get almost 6".

[YKTea]

as mentioned in previous threads,

cf. lanceolatus and lanceolatus are two totally different species and are not variants of each other.

cf. lanceolatus is related to the lunatus complex, and it is the only one to have a lancet shaped tail. it is a member of the lunatus complex though, and forms hybrids with lunatus from japan and cf. lunatus from philippines readily.

the described lanceolatus from japan is a huge, 8 inch fairy wrasse seen in these videos and pics. totally unrelated.

as mentioned by 808state, "cf" means to confer, and is used in undescribed or unknown fishes which bear close resemblance to a known species, and that species is placed as a suffix after "cf". in this case, cf. lanceolatus is compared to lanceolatus because and only because of tail shape. they are unrelated in all other aspect except for being in the same genus.

[nikon187]

The rose band fairy wrasse was also classified as lancelatus and has a lancet shaped tail.

( Cirrhilabrus roseafascia ) and in my fairy wrasse book by krutier, is labeled as just lancelatus. Makes it very confusing :)

[evolved]

The rose band fairy wrasse was also classified as lancelatus and has a lancet shaped tail.

( Cirrhilabrus roseafascia ) and in my fairy wrasse book by krutier, is labeled as just lancelatus. Makes it very confusing :)
No, Rose banded is Cirrhilabrus roseafascia, and therefore by definition is not C. lanceolatus. Yes, these two species are closely related, but they are not the same species.

The picture at the bottom of the page for C. lanceolatus in Kuiter's book was an error; that picture is actually C. roseafascia (as widely agreed upon since the book's publishing).

[nikon187]

No, Rose banded is Cirrhilabrus roseafascia, and therefore by definition is not C. lanceolatus. Yes, these two species are closely related, but they are not the same species.

The picture at the bottom of the page for C. lanceolatus in Kuiter's book was an error; that picture is actually C. roseafascia (as widely agreed upon since the book's publishing).

Oh I'm well aware they are different species ( have 2 ) just commenting on how thy are always mislabeled, lol. Even my suppliers list sometimes mid label them.

[MikeandNicole]

For your short term fix, pick up the cf. lancaelotus. Look at this stunner of a male that was collected recently.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1536718_636348893090334_214997204_n.jpg

[ingtar_shinowa]

Can't wait for my little boy to grow up more!