ruling on Jebao pumps

[terrypercula]

And on my tanks i'm the judge and the jury. My WP25 has been condemned to mixing saltwater for the rest of it's life. Had a WP40 on a 90 set up. It was too bulky and noisy so I sold it. In fact I returned two because I thought they were broken they were so loud. Okay fine. I'm not the type to hold grudges I'll try one on my 40. More of the same. Got a WP25. Again too loud and too bulky. Now 2 weeks into owning it the controller doesn't work(stuck in else mode). I'm sticking with vortechs. If you have different experiences that's great but I have not had luck with them and I'm not pleased with what I have seen. Any other horror stories or am I the only one having no luck with these things?

[jlombardi29]

I got a wp25 to try in my 160 so far it's working great by far the best pump for the price range but I still prefer vortechs

[Jyetman]

I bought a WP25 back in September 2013 still running, quiet and never gave any problems.

[terrypercula]

I should state that there are plenty of positives with the Jebao pumps so I'm not trying to trash them but for my display tank it just wasn't working for me.

[rovster]

They are ok for me. They are great when first plugged in, but they bog down quickly and need frequent cleaning. At times, it's been louder than my MPs. I admit, for the money they are great, but they are not the best thing since sliced bread......

[MrKris]

Currently am using jebaos 2 wp40s and 1 wp25. My first wp40 started to act up (the thing would turn on and off and then off forever until you unplugged and replugged it) The ppl at fishstreet told me to pay 20$ and they'll ship me a brand new one (I thought that would be great cuz if i fixed the old one I'd be able to have 3 :D). Shipment came and boy was I wrong and misled lol.... They sent me back the motor (the part where you have to plug into controller) and that was it... I was quite sad, but it did solve my issue of where it turned off and on pointlessly.

That being said... maybe I was unlucky, but based on this one the lifespan may be around half a year or so? But hell, the price is also only $80 or so... compared to a vortech which is 500-600... I think this is where quantity trumps quality imo :P.

It's also not that noisy, I have 3 of them in a 220g. The noise I hear once in a while is like this weird buzzing sound, but it disappears after a bit (on and off).

[wilberiteback]

I have one wp40 on my 90 deep. Its been running for about 6 months so far with no issues, but it is only on for 12 hrs. a day.

[DaveG99]

I have a mp40 and a wp40. My wp40 is one of he first ones from almost a year ago. It's been running nonstop ever since and trouble free. It's a great pump. I prefer the vortech but it's a lot more money

[blacktangs]

I just put in the wp60 for my tank. Pushes a ton of water and I keep it at low settings all day that gives a very small wave. However at the highest speed it does make a slight hum. Does it matter which website u bought it from?

[treetopflyn]

I have a WP-40 since the month they first came out. I recently replaced it with two Wp-25. I LOVE both models. Very quite and move a TON of water. The only reason I see going with the Vortechs is for the slimmer look in the tank and no cords but that's not worth the extra $$.

[blackbeltmom]

I bought two WP25's in June. One died on February 13th. The other one is running fine.

[michaellee64]

Running 2 WP-40's for a year, and 3 WP-25's for 10 months.... Zero issues!

[terrypercula]

I'm starting to think jebao has got it out for me ha

[Yuckyyucky713]

Love them especially when Jebao is eating into Vortech's profit margin.

[MARINECRITTERS]

I run a wp40 with a wavebox in my 60 gallon.
Little noisy but the wave makes up for it.

[Windirmere]

Hope Jebo forces Vortech to price drop then ill be buyin a mp 40 to go along with my mp10 on my 57g

[CJBuckeyes]

I have both a mp10 and wp10 on my 22 gal. The mp10 moves a ton of water, but is noisy and I had to replace the ceramic shaft after one year. The wp10 is silent and moves a decent amount of water, but the controller is very cheap feeling.

If this wp pump lasts as long as my mp wet side, I'll be a happy customer.

[RedStangGA]

Replaced an MP10 with a WP10 on my 29 biocube. The MP10 was and is a great pump but mine was starting to get noisy after 2 years. The WP10 seems more than adequate though certainly not on par with the vortech. I don't expect it to be either. I am happy with the WP10. Only had it about a month though. I'll be going with either 2 WP25's or a WP25 and WP40 on my 60 cube. If they don't cut it I will switch to an MP40 if I have to. I'd just prefer to save the $.

[fishysteve]

I bought 2 wp40s about a year ago. One of them stopped working a couple days ago. Put my Tunzes back in. Happy again. Oh well, gave them a shot.

[myram]

The vortechs will never come down in price, they don't need to since there is no direct competition. They are the only ones on the market with their exact design, which is the best design on the market. While the Jebao pumps may work better, they still don't look as good doing it.

I'm getting rid of my MP10...........don't need a washing machine on spin cycle in my living room.

I'll be getting 2 - WP25 with the new twin controller...........as soon as they are back in stock.

Steve

[kniquy]

I have had my wp25 for about a month now and on my 75g the water flow is almost too strong. I have to say that it has been very quiet and can barely tell when it is changing speed. I have a few pumps on a wavemaker pro, but the on and off was horribly loud and it killed the pumps. Definitely a great purchase so far considering the price compared to other wavemaker pumps.

[Shane C.]

Ordered 3 wp10s for my 75 a couple weeks ago. I am hoping to get 12-18 months out of them. Sounds like, as with a lot of products built offshore, that these are hit and miss. Some work great, others don't. It's the "throw away" product mentality that we have adapted. That said, I would love to use the tunze line but I just plain old can't justify that expense.

[moe458]

I have a wp40 in my 90. it's been just fine. Sometimes I have to tweak it to what I want a bit of challenge but it's not a big deal. I can save 500 bucks over that then why not.

It's been running over a year and it's been working like charm no complaints so far!! +1 Jebeo

[hawk1]

I can say the Jebao pumps are awesome for the price! When you are young like me, and on a budget everything helps. I have a wp-25 in my 55 gallon cichlid tank running for over a year. It was the first model before they upgraded the controller. I now have another wp-25 with the new controller in my 38 gallon reef that I started 6 months ago. Both chugging along great. I did have to buy a voltage adapter for them and turn the volts down because they were so strong on there own.

[Yodeling]

I sold an MP40 and bought a WP40 and I couldn't be happier! Compared to the Jebaos, MP40s are loud as hell (biggest issue for me) and flimsy (yes, I said it). I once broke one of the front fins on the wet side just by cleaning it. Of course, they will happily sell you a replacement wet side or just the cage, which seems to be their business model instead of trying to work out the kinks. In comparison, the Jebaos are very quiet and built like tanks. Not to mention, a single WP40 will create a wave pattern you can only achieve with 2 or more MP40s.

The cost is a bonus. I would buy the Jebao over Vortech even if they were the same price. But it turns out you can completely replace the whole jebao and controller for less than the cost of replacing the wet side on the MP40. No brainer.

[freshfish18]

I just purchased a wp-25, and was wondering if there was a proper location for it? Like so many inches under water or so many inches above the sand?

Thanks in advance,
John

[alten78]

I was soooo excited that my wp-25 was delivered yesterday, just to find out they shipped the wrong power adapter. After taking a few pictures, fish-street will be sending out the correct one.

Theres no way this thing could be any louder than my old tunze 6100 changing speeds, at least i hope not!

[terrypercula]

I was soooo excited that my wp-25 was delivered yesterday, just to find out they shipped the wrong power adapter. After taking a few pictures, fish-street will be sending out the correct one.

Theres no way this thing could be any louder than my old tunze 6100 changing speeds, at least i hope not!

Well I never owned a Tunze pump so I can't comment on that but mine have been far louder than my vortechs which people tend to complain about how loud they are.

[jdstank]

I just purchased a wp-25, and was wondering if there was a proper location for it? Like so many inches under water or so many inches above the sand?

Thanks in advance,
John
Really depends on your tank, it's very easy to move so if you get a sandstorm raise it up a bit. If using the wave mode you can get them very low in the tank without stirring up the sand, but again, depends on your tank and if you have corals, inverts, etc - how happy they are with the flow you put in. They can produce one heckuva wave on short pulse, and a nice lumbering wave on long pulse.

[machote]

any experiences with jebao wp-60?

[phillrodrigo]

Ive always heard the wp40s are loud for the first few days then quiet down. You cant even hear my wp25. The only thing the mp has going for it is the foot print which is sweat. The wp25 is pretty small the size of my tunze that only does 750gph but it does 2k gph

[reefer roman]

I have mp 40's and mp 10's and the tunze 6055 and they all have different traits that i like. The tunze pushes a lot more water than any of them. It is hooked up to my apex and it is the quietest of the three.With the mp's the controllers are the big bonus with them. I like the footprint of the the mp10's but they dont push the water like the other two.

[reefer roman]

I am not sold on the jabeo pumps yet . They seem to be hit and miss on quality

[david pinder]

Can say the impeller om a mp60 runs a $100 bigins, think Id rather spend that 100 on a jaebo. running about 20 power heads have some definite opinions have run most all of them. Tunzees were great when I first got in the hobby now there junk. You can send them in for repair they just break down again. Sicce runs great but like mp60 if a snail breaks the impellar it $90. mp60 does not live up to claims if you have 1 inch thick mp60 will not hold. Am now trying a jaebo story still out the only thing that concerns me with it is it looks just like a tunzee. At least the jaebo doesnt break the bank

[scoobzilla]

looking for some help should I go with 2 wp 25s or 1 wp 40 or 2 wp 40s have have 120 with fish possible corals at later date.

[greaps]

I have owned a MP 10, and WP 25.

The WP 25 is much quieter even at full power than is my MP10 at half power.
The WP 25 is much cheaper than a MP10, and moves much more water.
The MP 10 seems to provide more "undertoe" perhaps since the propeller sits closer to the glass and doesn't draft water from a more open directions than the WP25.

I prefer the WP 25 for the noise, for the cost, and its power. I like its modes a lot as well.

[greaps]

looking for some help should I go with 2 wp 25s or 1 wp 40 or 2 wp 40s have have 120 with fish possible corals at later date.

I would run 2 WP40's. I have 2 WP25's on a 40 breeder bare bottom tank, more flow allowed without sand.

[andrewkw]

My g1 mp40 recently broke, I replaced it with a WP40.

It's WAY louder. In fact I was surprised just how much louder it is. People who complain about vortechs being loud probably would not survive the sound to complain about it. They feel a little cheap but you know what they are cheap. The other thing is it smelled funny. However the flow is great, and the wave one generates in my 5 foot tank is great.

The flow imo is nicer then an mp40, the cost is not even in the ballpark. Overall I'd still prefer the vortech if price was not an issue. By not an issue if the WP40 was say 60% of the vortech I'd probably stick with it, but at this price point I had to try. I was very leery about using a china pump. When Korillia pumps first came out I went through close to 10 of them leaking electricity, they used to replace them free so I'd send them back they'd work for a bit leak send them back again ect. I never thought I'd try another made in China pump. I have to say I am impressed with the Jebao pumps and would buy more. Obviously there is a catch and there had to be but it's one I can live with. At this price point I can live with it if it only lasts 5 years or less, but I've had 2 MP40's and an MP10 and all three no longer work. Meanwhile my almost 8 year old tunze 6060 is still working at the back of my tank.

[alten78]

The power adapter came in today, so at least the customer service was pretty good at replacing the wrong piece.

The footprint is nice, much smaller than my old tunze and luckily (since it sits right by my head on the couch) it is extremely silent. On the other hand, ive been watching youtube videos of guys showing off the wp-25 on their 75 gallon tanks and they seem to be getting a lot more flow than I am on lower settings. It'll certainly make some waves across the top of the tank, but it doesn't seem to be reaching the opposite side of the tank as well as I had hoped. It may be due to my rockwork, ill have to move a few things before I give it my final judgment.

For the price Im content, could be better, but im content.

[david pinder]

Funny my old tunzees still run Id say 7 or 8 yrs old but of the 7 tunzees I bought 3 yrs ago only 1 lasted a year. There living on their reputation.. Bought a mp 60 and a wp 60 a couple months back. So far much happier with wp60 is a lot quiter and it didnt hurt my pocket. I could get a new one every yr for about 6 or 7 years.

[a.browning]

They are great pumps for the money... but relatively loud. It's a lower hum than the vortechs which are more high pitched. My WP25 isn't as loud as my MP40s, but it's close. Then again, I don't really care, but I know some are picky with regards to noise levels. That's the only complaint I have with the WP25 so far. They move a ton of water.

[blackgate]

I currently have 2 mp40s and one wp40 in my 180 and yes you can def. hear the wp40 buzzing back there, but in my opinion my mp40s are the loudest pumps ive used to date. You can hear them winding up and down 2 rooms away!! Its absolutely ridiculous to pay that kind of money for pumps that are that loud. Having said that, I do love the smaller footprint and the amount of flow the mps are giving me so what can you do.

[Reefahholic]

Love them especially when Jebao is eating into Vortech's profit margin.

I LOVE THAT TOO...

VORTECH IS MONEY HUNGRY...CAN'T WAIT TILL THEY SINK!!!:deadhorse1:

[Reefahholic]

Hope Jebo forces Vortech to price drop then ill be buyin a mp 40 to go along with my mp10 on my 57g

:dance::dance::dance::dance:

[Crusinjimbo]

MP10 running for 2 1/2 years and still very quiet.

[sirreal63]

I LOVE THAT TOO...

VORTECH IS MONEY HUNGRY...CAN'T WAIT TILL THEY SINK!!!:deadhorse1:

Seriously?

[Zimmer]

I have a wp25 and really like it so far (3 months) we'll see how long it lasts. Very quiet and moves tons of water.

[Salty Dog24]

I have one wp40 on my 90 deep. Its been running for about 6 months so far with no issues, but it is only on for 12 hrs. a day.

Why do you only run them 12 hours a day?

[terrypercula]

I highly doubt ecotech's pockets are hurting that bad from Jebao pumps. I wouldn't hold my breath if you think they're going to dramatically lower costs. Frankly from my experience with both I rather pay the extra cash.

[myram]

Ecotech will never lower their prices............they don't need to. They are selling like crazy, and even used they only loose about 10% of value. They have a unique product that no one has or can duplicate..........they could raise their prices and still sell like crazy.

[frog.pauley]

Wow...wp's bieng loud...I have to put my ear to the magnet to make sure it is on...For the 75, I have mine on w1 with the dial at about 11:45. Not quiet straight up, awsome wave! Even running on ELSE mode never a buzz...very odd. I did visit somebody who has a MP-40, and I ahd to listen hard to hear it, so maybe its me! lol

[mayjong]

Why do you only run them 12 hours a day?

i also run a wp-25 12 hours a day. i have two in my 60g, the "main" one runs 24 hours on else mode, the other points behind the rocks and runs 12 hours on "low" . i have a barebottom...

i'm surprised by the noise complaints on the wp's. my mp10 was at least 4-5 times as load as both my wp-25's put together...

[748S911]

ecotech is a great pump, but way to loud for my taste, sold it....saw a fellow reefer with wp40, purchased 2 after seeing one in action... been using it for almost a year now and loving it. I would purchase ecotech again when they fix the noise issue

[phillrodrigo]

I really dont get how 1/2 say the wp are loud and half say the mp are to loud. Is there something that woyld make one run louder in my tank than someone elses tank. Theres a few people that own both but have opposite opinions on which one is louder. It just seems weird to me.

[terrypercula]

I really dont get how 1/2 say the wp are loud and half say the mp are to loud. Is there something that woyld make one run louder in my tank than someone elses tank. Theres a few people that own both but have opposite opinions on which one is louder. It just seems weird to me.

This is what I don't get! Lol my WP's are literally give me headaches loud and my MP granted is noticeable but very very quiet even on 100% .

[blackbeltmom]

I purchased two WP25's last June. One died about a month ago and I replaced it with an MP10. I never hear the WP25's running at all. The MP10 drove me batty, it was loud. I returned it. I have ordered a Tunze 6055. Planning to control it with my Apex. We will see how I like it.

[FastUno]

Sold my MP10 & got 2 WP25's for the price & money in my pocket. Turns out I only need one in my 75g, cuz it is a lot of flow & I have it dialed down.

My old MP10 was louder.

Quiet & fine for 3 months thus far & I have a spare just in case now. Happy as can be :)

[Fish_King_25]

Sold my MP10 & got 2 WP25's for the price & money in my pocket. Turns out I only need one in my 75g, cuz it is a lot of flow & I have it dialed down.

My old MP10 was louder.

Quiet & fine for 3 months thus far & I have a spare just in case now. Happy as can be :)

I was going to order one of the Jebaos this week (WP-25) but I have a 29 so I'm assuming I should go with a wp-10? You're only running one wp-25 in your 75 correct??

[phillrodrigo]

In a 29 I would do a wp10 for sure. A 25 would blow the water out of your tank

[Fish_King_25]

Lol, oh boy..good thing I asked! Yikes!!

[FastUno]

Most definitely yes, I tried to get a WP10 for my 29g too, but could not find a good price.

It is awesome when you only need one of those in a 75g. I can afford to get one every year for the next 10 years :) to make up for the price of 2x vortechs at $600.

The only complaint I have is that my water spits from the top from time to time & I now have some water streaks on the back wall. Never had that before, not even with all of the following running at the same time:

1) Eheim 1262 (900+GPH)
2) Tunze 6060
3) MP10

[Fish_King_25]

Wow..yeah Amazon has a WP25 for 50 bucks and the WP10 for 65! Both aren't bad, but its so tough purchasing something "smaller" for more money ..bigger is always better! Lol

[Ratpack]

I would go for the WP25 since it is cheaper. You can always dial it down. I have 2 WP40's on my 75 gal and run them with the dual controller on a low flow rate. Works great and if I need to churn the water some, I have the power to do it.

[Fish_King_25]

Hmm..so you think one WP25 could work dialed down on a 29g? I'm okay with keeping it dialed down, and like you said if I need to stir stuff up, I can!

[Saltydrip]

What's different/better about the 2014 model? Now that I'm not adding to my LEDs I might finally upgrade to a wave maker!

[pledosophy]

I have vortechs and Jebao's.

My Vortechs are on a shelf in the garage, my Jebao's are in my tank.

Jebao's are quieter and work better IME. Also I was very not please with Vortech's customer service. Not pleased at all. So Vortechs in the garage, on a shelf, dusty.

[terrypercula]

I have vortechs and Jebao's.

My Vortechs are on a shelf in the garage, my Jebao's are in my tank.

Jebao's are quieter and work better IME. Also I was very not please with Vortech's customer service. Not pleased at all. So Vortechs in the garage, on a shelf, dusty.

I mean they can collect dust in my house instead if you don't want them ha I could trade a broken Jebao WP25 for it :lol:

[rgulrich]

Three MP40's, three WP40's, one WP60 latest addition. Retired a collection of four Hydor I used for additional circulation in the previous 180.

MP40's are sitting on the bench waiting for me to see if devoting the time and energy to replacing the dry side bearings in an attempt to quiet them down is worthwhile. Used them for a number of years, didn't really realize how loud they were until this latest walk-around 300 gallon build in the living room. They had to go. I've replaced and rebuilt the wetsides a number of times through the years, and the last set was brand new with none of them able to run quietly.

Reef is a 300 Deep Dimension, with the reef running diagonally from the left rear to about 2/3 the distance of the right front. "Exclamation mark" paly rock island in the right front corner. Euphyllia divisa rock in the right rear corner. Reef has a few arches tall enough for a full size Red Sea Purple Tang to swim through, and many small gaps for flow and fish/invert access. Rock occupies about 1/2 aquarium height at the rear, and diminishes to the bottom at the 2/3 mark. Covered with small polyp and a handful of large(r) polyp coral frags (and larger, now I guess) and sponge. Fish swim a full 360 around and through the reef, and the aquarium is viewable from all sides.

Tried the WP40's about 5-6 months ago, been very pleased with the output and much (much) lower noise level after a few weeks of break-in. Enough so that after reading about using a laminar gyre in Coral magazine (good read), decided to try that route in this 300 vice the basic random random flow. Placed a pair on one end of the aquarium about 8-10 inches down, a solo on the other end at the same level, and was pretty impressed with the amount of water movement - a lot. Was also impressed that I could indeed generate a very healthy laminar gyre, pulling lots of detritus up the random flow didn't while moving a lot water through the reef's nooks and crannies.

Decided to pick up one more and went with the WP60 this time around. Placed it with the other WP40 pointing toward the reef on the end of the aquarium and cranked it up. Hmmm. Decided to set it on mid-level to try and keep the water inside the glass and off the lights. Much better that way in this instance. Very nice laminar flow gyre now, set to change direction about every hour.

Fish (Tangs, Chromis, Clowns, Anthias, even a dragon face pipefish) seem to love it and now hover in or swim against the current quite often, getting more exercise. Small polyp corals have many more open polyps now. Large polyp corals tolerant of the increased flow, but I will have to do a little re-arranging to put a couple trachyphyllia in a little less turbulence. Likewise with a few clams that keep getting knocked over (but otherwise seem to like having more flow). Euphyllia divisa have no issues with the stronger laminar gyre flow, and seem "happy" to have a bit more flow down at their level and aroudn their polyps, changing it up every hour. Feather dusters are basically having a party.

I now have to remove the sand and replace with coral rubble (no loss, but a little tedious to get out). Probably end up shuffling the trachyphyllia and clams about a bit at the same time.

While this may not reflect the OP's experience, this is how these pumps have worked for me to this point and my experience in comparison to a few other pumps/water movement devices I've used over the past 8 years.

[SmoothSmoke]

Will 1 Jebao WP10 be sufficient for a standard 29 gallon?

Nevermind, just read the posts above. Looks like 1 WP10 should be enough for my 29g!

[d0ughb0y]

I've been using two wp-25 for about 5 months now and they work very well. I use my own diy controller to control the pumps.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22191660&postcount=183
pump level display in real time :)
http://youtu.be/JOaR_DREpTQ

[kendavjac]

I put a WP10 in my 29g 1 month ago, couldn't be happier.

[Fish_King_25]

I'm going to go with a wp25, its cheaper!

[SmoothSmoke]

I'm going to go with a wp25, its cheaper!

Really??!! Doesn't make sense at all. I'll probably still go with the wp10 as it's smaller in size, making it slightly better visually.

[Johnjohn713]

LOL I can't believe ppl are having problem with these pumps. I smell ulterior motives.

[jgalen0025]

+1^^
Of course Jabeo is taking money out of both tunzes pocket and ecotech. Its common sense. If I didnt buy a jabeo(i did own two mp 40s before jabeo came out) i would have forked over the money for the overpriced ones. Look at the classifieds, seems like alot of people are selling their mp 40s:worried:. Every person who buys a jabeo pump for their reef is competing against the other brands bc their not buying other brands

I have to say that these pumps are NOT loud at all and if you had vortechs and replaced them you prolly forgot how loud the mps were. I can barely here mine. My lfs has vortechs on there display tank and as soon as you walk in the first thing you here is that high pitched whining noise.

IME most people who spend alot of money on something feel the need to justify it by downplaying others and defending their purchase, which i understand...:debi:

[terrypercula]

LOL I can't believe ppl are having problem with these pumps. I smell ulterior motives.

What ulterior motives would people have? Ha I've had four bad pumps from them. Like I said maybe it's bad luck because people seem to be liking them. If people love them and they're cheap I say snatch them up. I'll stick with pumps I've had luck with. I've seen positives from them, they move a s*** ton of water and they're affordable but the ones I've had are loud and they're bulky and I don't really like the controller on them. There's 3 speeds which don't change the flow rate that much and they aren't nearly as controllable as the ecotech which to me is a huge selling point for wave makers. I do like the light sensing diode though, I think that's a pretty neat option. All in all I they're ok pumps but I'm pretty picky with my equipment. I'll spend the extra money and get something I'm happy with.

[terrypercula]

I think this has been a pretty good thread though with some good opinions so I'd like to keep it going. :beer:

[d0ughb0y]

for those who have not seen this thread

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1901337&highlight=wetside

there is a reason why that thread has over 77,000 unique views. Just saying.

Just as someone pointed out, if someone paid more for the vortech, chances are they will not say they had buyer's remorse and will justify their purchase. If vortech is truly quiet, I don't think that thread will garner that many readers.

[jarrod13]

Because "loud" is a relative term, I think that's why so many have different opinions. I've honestly never been around vortechs enough to say if they're loud or not, the only time I see them is at the lfs and there's so much other noise with running water and people talking I don't ever notice them but I'm sure going to pay attention next time I'm in there.

I have a wp25 on my 90 and the only time I hear it is if the house is silent and I turn all the pumps except it off, and even then I can barely hear it. Couldn't be happier with Jebao, love everything about this pump! I will definitely go with them again if I need to. I almost want to buy some extras just in case for future builds or upgrades. Best piece of equipment I've ever bought for my tank hands down, especially for the price.

[Johnjohn713]

What ulterior motives would people have? Ha I've had four bad pumps from them. Like I said maybe it's bad luck because people seem to be liking them. If people love them and they're cheap I say snatch them up. I'll stick with pumps I've had luck with. I've seen positives from them, they move a s*** ton of water and they're affordable but the ones I've had are loud and they're bulky and I don't really like the controller on them. There's 3 speeds which don't change the flow rate that much and they aren't nearly as controllable as the ecotech which to me is a huge selling point for wave makers. I do like the light sensing diode though, I think that's a pretty neat option. All in all I they're ok pumps but I'm pretty picky with my equipment. I'll spend the extra money and get something I'm happy with.



I've got all the Wp pumps except the 60s. You should see my local reef board where people are unloading their Vortech's pumps like a bad case of syphilis.

The only thing vortech superior is the outrageous $ they charged. :)

[terrypercula]

I've got all the Wp pumps except the 60s. You should see my local reef board where people are unloading their Vortech's pumps like a bad case of syphilis.

The only thing vortech superior is the outrageous $ they charged. :)

Look if I had a good experience with one I'd get rid of my ecotech too. I'm willing to spend money and I love saving money but a company has to earn my business and so far between four pumps I've tried by them they're not even worth the $60 to me. That's my bottom line. I'm glad people are having good experiences with them but I haven't.

[DavidinGA]

Running two wp40's on my 210gal for 8+ months and zero problems (running random customized flows via reef angel too).

[danil]

Wow...wp's bieng loud...I have to put my ear to the magnet to make sure it is on...For the 75, I have mine on w1 with the dial at about 11:45. Not quiet straight up, awsome wave! Even running on ELSE mode never a buzz...very odd. I did visit somebody who has a MP-40, and I ahd to listen hard to hear it, so maybe its me! lol

100% agree! The only reason I dump my two MP40 I can't stand them being so noisy. I replaced wet side after a year of use which helped a bit but still I can here them roaring on the second floor with both doors closed! I didn't want to spend money on tonze since I cashed out for MPs already so I tried WP - awesome! I can't even here them running. I've run two WP40 over a year now. I run one WP25 for like 8 months in my sump and recently I got WP60 and it has been running for three months... all pumps run 24/7 without any issues. I think I'm an alien or something... for me there are no pumps louder and nosier them MP40 and I tried most of them.

[terrypercula]

Running two wp40's on my 210gal for 8+ months and zero problems (running random customized flows via reef angel too).

Side track but it's my thread I'll do what I want :lol: how do you like the Reef angel?

[Brando457]

I just got my WP60 in today and it took place of my newer Vortech Mp40. For the money and performance I'm getting I don't think I'll ever look back. Only thing I miss about the vortech is the wire being on the outside of the tank, but at 1/6 the cost of a MP60 I'll take it.

[d0ughb0y]

What ulterior motives would people have?

not able to sell the vortechs ?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22461591#post22461591

[terrypercula]

not able to sell the vortechs ?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22461591#post22461591

Nope. I sold my WP25 in about 10 minutes on Facebook though. I'll keep the 10 for a smaller tank and put a 40 on my 40.

[DavidinGA]

Side track but it's my thread I'll do what I want :lol: how do you like the Reef angel?


Love it. It was super easy to setup (people had said it was more technical but I found it easy). This is the only controller I have ever owned so I can't compare it to anything else but it does everything I need it to do plus waaaaaaaaaay more.

Runs my heaters, wavemakers, dosing pumps, uv, fuge lights, reactors, kalk mixing pumps, and probably some other stuff I can't remember.

It's really nice having my wp40's switch up flow patterns throughout the day automatically.

I used to have the wifi module but sent it back as it really only provided a way to monitor and do a few on the fly changes (still had to physically connect a USB to do the detail work) so I would pass on wifi fwiw...

[tkeracer619]

Isn't jebao aquatraders?

[Norcalhkr]

I have had a wp10 freeze up a few times all others are good though

[Johnjohn713]

Look if I had a good experience with one I'd get rid of my ecotech too. I'm willing to spend money and I love saving money but a company has to earn my business and so far between four pumps I've tried by them they're not even worth the $60 to me. That's my bottom line. I'm glad people are having good experiences with them but I haven't.


But you went thru 4 pumps and they all crap out on you. Man what's the chance of even one DOA or soon after much less 4. You've got worst luck than a 40 yo virgin dude. No offense.

[Ratpack]

I will wait and see if the WP40's get loud, but right now they are way better than the MP40 I had. I could hear it in the next room. This week I was replumbing my drain so I had everything off but the WP40's and while working under the tank I could hear nothing, only way I knew they were running was the water moving around in the tank.

[terrypercula]

But you went thru 4 pumps and they all crap out on you. Man what's the chance of even one DOA or soon after much less 4. You've got worst luck than a 40 yo virgin dude. No offense.

That's what I mean. If it was bad luck then oh well. I got to think at least one of them was working properly and if they were yea they were loud. The noise isn't really my biggest complaint though. The damn size of these things is unexplainable. Part of the reason I like the vortech more is the in tank footprint is almost nothing, you barely notice the things.

[danil]

Small footprint in the tank is no doubt one of the MP feature no one can bit. For the bigger tank though I prefer 'in-tank' pumps since I can mount them on my corner overflows and no blockage of side views.
I'm still trying to find out why my vortechs so loud and I've seen so many posts telling they're being so quite... Have you run them on very low speed?

[terrypercula]

Small footprint in the tank is no doubt one of the MP feature no one can bit. For the bigger tank though I prefer 'in-tank' pumps since I can mount them on my corner overflows and no blockage of side views.
I'm still trying to find out why my vortechs so loud and I've seen so many posts telling they're being so quite... Have you run them on very low speed?

I run it around 30-40% because I don't need it any higher. But I have had it all the way up. Is it completely silent? No but even at 100% I barely hear mine. This is where I'm confused though. I hear everyone say the Jebaos are super quiet and yet mine have all been unbearable. All FOUR of them. Like I said I gave them plenty of tries I didn't even get one that was decent so I'll spend my money on a company that has provided me with good experiences.

[SoulJet]

I just got my twin controller and wp25's today and I'm at a complete loss. I was expecting a quiet pump but they are almost as loud as my washing machine :(
I'd been reading this thread and all the other wp related ones and was hugely excited to give these a go. Nearly everyone has been saying how quiet they were but this is definitely not the case with mine. I just don't get it. Maybe there's 2 different motors or something?
Sadly I'm not sure I can use these as I have to be 3 or 4 rooms across the house to drain the sound out.
There's no bias here btw as I'm in the process of a new set up and also got the jebao dc6000 return pump (awesome power and legitimately quiet. Almost silent!).
On the positive side, they do move a lot of water for such a small unit. That is actually very impressive.

[alf1096]

Got mine in and love it. I have a 25 and a dc6000 both silent. As long as they will last I will continue to buy.

[terrypercula]

I just got my twin controller and wp25's today and I'm at a complete loss. I was expecting a quiet pump but they are almost as loud as my washing machine :(
I'd been reading this thread and all the other wp related ones and was hugely excited to give these a go. Nearly everyone has been saying how quiet they were but this is definitely not the case with mine. I just don't get it. Maybe there's 2 different motors or something?
Sadly I'm not sure I can use these as I have to be 3 or 4 rooms across the house to drain the sound out.
There's no bias here btw as I'm in the process of a new set up and also got the jebao dc6000 return pump (awesome power and legitimately quiet. Almost silent!).
On the positive side, they do move a lot of water for such a small unit. That is actually very impressive.

Check the alignment of the magnets and pumps. I was told that can quiet them down. Didn't work for me but I hear a lot of people say that and a few who told me that. Might be the case for you.

[SoulJet]

Check the alignment of the magnets and pumps. I was told that can quiet them down. Didn't work for me but I hear a lot of people say that and a few who told me that. Might be the case for you.

Thanks mate, I will try that.
I haven't given up just yet. I'm still yet to try every voltage combination/plug/setting. Worst case scenario I'll try organize a replacement with fish street. I've seen too many positive reviews and seen many silent pumps on YouTube to go write them off. Just going to stay patient until I get the right combination.

[EllisJuan]

Thanks mate, I will try that.
I haven't given up just yet. I'm still yet to try every voltage combination/plug/setting. Worst case scenario I'll try organize a replacement with fish street. I've seen too many positive reviews and seen many silent pumps on YouTube to go write them off. Just going to stay patient until I get the right combination.

Yeah, something is definitely not right. I am sitting literally 10 feet from my tank right now with my WP25 and WP10 on a dual controller both at full tilt and I can not here them at all. I will say, my WP10 made a little noise for the first 3 minutes it was running...then it went silent.

[ridetheducati]

No one will notice the power heads if the corals and fish are doing their jobs.

[Art13]

I have a wp-40, i keep it on reef mode, i can hear it with everything else off in the tank, not loud, but you can hear it ramping up and down. But when my skimmer is on, I do not hear the pump.

[chopper320]

I have 2 wp25's and I think they are a great pump. My only problem with them is that I have to disassemble them and use a toothbrush in the magnet casing and on the impeller magnet as well as around the cage or else I get a serious drop in performance.

At first it seemed like they could go much longer between cleanings. With that said, I would much rather spend 15 minutes a week cleaning the pumps during my regular tank maintenance than pay the outrageous price of the high end pump.

Noise wise, the Jebao seems pretty quiet to me. I only here them when I'm right against the tank and the house is completely silent. I've heard much louder mp10's.

[Reefer PT]

Kenny, I don't know about the 25 but I have the wp40 and there is a limit you can dial it down. In w1 mode you have low medium and high but the other modes the speed setting mean nothing. If you have a substrate I would suggest the wp10 or you may not be able to use the functions you want.
Dave

[terrypercula]

Kenny, I don't know about the 25 but I have the wp40 and there is a limit you can dial it down. In w1 mode you have low medium and high but the other modes the speed setting mean nothing. If you have a substrate I would suggest the wp10 or you may not be able to use the functions you want.
Dave
Hey another Dave from Buffalo! ha

[SoulJet]

Ok well I tried setting them up today starting on a lower voltage setting together with making sure they were aligned perfectly with the magnets. Very happy to say they are much quieter :)
I'm not sure exactly what it was but suspect it may have been a combination of these 2 factors that helped. They're not silent by any means but they're definitely acceptable now.
If anyone is having noise issues, try starting them on the lower voltage and see how they go. I was able to turn them up to 24 volts once they were running and they didn't make anymore noise fortunately.

[bif24701]

I had a MP40 for two years three years ago on my 120 before I had to take it down. I loved that pump but sold it when I broke down the system because I was going to Korea for a year. Now I moved and set up the 120 again and bought some new lights (Kessil 360) so now I needed flow. I know I want full SPS and one VorTech is great but an MP40 isn't ideal on a 120, need two. That's not in the budget, thank fully I researched the Jebao and like the WP40 and ordered two. I got them set up and running today and my verdict is: they are freaking awesome! Build quality is good, performance is great, ease of use is ok, noise is (I can not hear them unless my ear is on the glass directly behind the pump. They are much quieter than the MP40 I had before. I've heard they improved the damping on both side so maybe this is why my pumps are dead silent and others not. They move water well in my system, I've got them mounted at opposite ends and face the middle set to ELSE mode max flow. I have no dead spots, water is cloudy because the water is stirring the new sand bed a bit. So far very very happy. If I had 900$ to spend on this tank I would purchase two MP40s and never look back. I didn't have 900$ so I spent 200$ and I am more than pleased, I am impressed!

Here is a video of the pumps on W1 mode. This is more than a super facial wave, it gets down into and through he rocks. Only reason I'm not using it now is because I came home and found a few drops on the floor. So it was just a bit to much.

No noise
Great power
Controls are basic but sufficient
No rises in temperature
Low cost
Built good not great
So far worth every penny

[mikmikjg]

Have had a wp-10 in my 27G nano for a little while. Using a 30 dollar analog to PWM 3 channel LED dimmer to control intensity with my APEX. I also have a Jebao DC-3000 (waveline rebadged) return pump in the sump also controlled by APEX using a different channel on the same dimmer. For a total of 170 bucks max and a little ingenuity I have 2 Apex controlled dc pumps.

If money were no object, I might upgrade to tunze or vortech pumps. I have never used either and might never do so. To me, the price is suspect. I love the concept of the vortechs and I have no doubt about the quality of both leading brands, but sheesh. I would rather throw away 5 wp-10 than throw away 1 mp-10, in the end they all break...

But thats just me...

[bundybear1981]

did you get the new twin pump controller or 2 single controllers? I got an email earlier this week showing a new wave controller that has 2 pumps connected to it to create a better water, able to switch between the 2 pumps. Wondering what its like.

[EllisJuan]

did you get the new twin pump controller or 2 single controllers? I got an email earlier this week showing a new wave controller that has 2 pumps connected to it to create a better water, able to switch between the 2 pumps. Wondering what its like.

It's awesome!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/TahoeDust/3ed54726-87b5-42d4-9055-002276d79226_zpsd5834201.jpg

[andrewkw]

One thing I'd like to point out is when I first got this pump I could not believe how loud it was. This coming from a person who never thought an MP40 or MP10 made any noticeable noise. Now that a few months have passed the pump has really quieted down, but it's also probably due for a cleaning. I just picked up another WP40 for my QT tank and will be curious to see how loud it initially will be.

[bif24701]

One thing I'd like to point out is when I first got this pump I could not believe how loud it was. This coming from a person who never thought an MP40 or MP10 made any noticeable noise. Now that a few months have passed the pump has really quieted down, but it's also probably due for a cleaning. I just picked up another WP40 for my QT tank and will be curious to see how loud it initially will be.


That's strange, my two WP-40s make now noise I can hear. I have to put my ear one the glass next to the pump to hear anything. Your system must truly be silent to hear these things.

[Johnjohn713]

For those of you that are experiencing noise coming from your pumps I highly suggest soaking them in vinegar. Make sure they're not pressing again the glass panels. Or just leave them alone, over time the noise will go away on their own. That's what happened with mine.

[Jone]

wheres the best place to buy these Jeboa controllable wavemakers,,preferably in the USA..thnaks

[myram]

If you want the new twin controller, you can't find it in the US yet.
Only seller with it is Fish-Street, and shipping to the US is about $35 for 2 pumps and controller.

[Ratpack]

wheres the best place to buy these Jeboa controllable wavemakers,,preferably in the USA..thnaks

Most people are ordering them from www.fish-street.com, that is where I got mine from.

[bif24701]

wheres the best place to buy these Jeboa controllable wavemakers,,preferably in the USA..thnaks


I got mine from amazon, order filled by amazon, overnight shipping, no waiting or preorder. It was great!

[EllisJuan]

If you want the new twin controller, you can't find it in the US yet.
Only seller with it is Fish-Street, and shipping to the US is about $35 for 2 pumps and controller.

Although Fish-Street is located in the UK, when I ordered my twin controller it shipped from NJ. They apparently have a warehouse there. The shipping only took 3 days.

[Johnjohn713]

I got mine from amazon, order filled by amazon, overnight shipping, no waiting or preorder. It was great!



Got a link I can't find it on amazon.

[bif24701]

Jebao WP-40 Wavemaker with Controller, 900gph-3400gph by Jebao http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ED40NVK/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_JNGmtb080XMA5

[Johnjohn713]

I was referring to a twin controller

[bif24701]

That is a fish street product.