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fishguy99
03/13/2014, 06:08 PM
Will i be able to add inverts after copper treatment. If so when.
E Rosewater
03/13/2014, 06:28 PM
Tricky question, could be quickly, could be close to never.
Do you have live rock or substrate? If yes it will certainly complicate things.
Calappidae
03/13/2014, 06:58 PM
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Two words.. quarentine.. tank.. you dose in there not in the tank.
fishguy99
03/13/2014, 07:24 PM
Tricky question, could be quickly, could be close to never.
Do you have live rock or substrate? If yes it will certainly complicate things.
Ya i do. If it helps it was the cupramine by seachem
E Rosewater
03/13/2014, 07:34 PM
Copper will adsorb onto the rock. This means two things.
One you're copper concentration will constantly be dropping to the point where it will less or totally ineffective for treatment.
Second the copper will leach back into the water column for an indefinite amount time. Until it stops you won't be able to keep invertebrates.
fishguy99
03/13/2014, 07:55 PM
I have a 4" aragonite substrate and only 12 lbs of rock in my 29g any estimate on how long it will take for cooper to be gone. Will activated carbon aid in this?
Calappidae
03/13/2014, 08:19 PM
Carbon aids, but it's still stuck in your rock and sand as well as any biomedia such as refugiums and bioballs.
fishguy99
03/13/2014, 08:33 PM
What is a safe level of copper for inverts.
Calappidae
03/13/2014, 09:09 PM
What is a safe level of copper for inverts.
0
The slightest trace will kill inverts. Lower traces only means longer it takes to work.
You're basicly restarting your entire system.. rock and all and maybe even replacing the silicone on your tank. It is terrible but it's a huge mistake alot of people make not doing the proper research. Quantine tanks should always be running firstly.. then you won't have to worry about dosing.. or as I call it "Nuking" your main tank. I'm really sorry, to my knowledge, unless someone else has a trick up their sleeve with success, nothing can be done that's risk free.
E Rosewater
03/14/2014, 06:36 AM
Copper will kill inverts at levels below where you can test for it's presence.
An equilibrium will exist in your tank. You can remove copper from the water column using polyfilter and/or other products designed for removing copper. Your rock and substrate (not silicone) will be consistently leaching copper for undetermined period of time.
Even things are going well you don't know if your tank is time-bomb. Small events could shift the equilibrium in the tank releasing copper, such as an increase in temperature or potentially a disruption in your sand bed releasing copper in the substrate that was buried deeper.
On a side note 4" is not a good substrate depth. Too deep to have the benefits of shallow sandbed, and not deep enough to have the benefits of a DSB.
fishguy99
03/14/2014, 07:23 AM
I was expecting 0. The sand bed wasn't designed for anything that really digs besides a yellowhead jawfish. It does hit 5-6" in other areas. Thanks for the help
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