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mkoop
03/25/2014, 01:47 PM
I would like to start collecting data in regards to the impacts of Marine Life on post-traumatic stress.

I feel this would allow Reef Central to become a forum to provide subject matter information and become an asset by being able to provide visibility into an issue that is becoming prevalent in our society, and how our hobby may be able assist.

I served 3 combat tours in the USMC as a scout sniper and am a purple heart recipient. At the age of 18 I made a decision that before I would start my life, I would make something of it and serve my country. At that age I was not aware of the true repercussions that would bring. I now suffer from debilitating flash backs that are caused by triggers associated with my diagnoses post traumatic stress disorder. I also suffer from many sleepless nights and constantly waking up in a state of panic. My tank has been able to help me deal with some of these symptoms and I feel it has not only become a part of my life, but has become somewhat of a staple in my journey to recovery.

Don't get me wrong, I love my reef from a pure hobbyist standpoint as well, but it really helps me to disassociate from those memories for awhile and become consumed in my reef. Sure disassociating won't get any of us through all of this, but we can work on that in other ways, and well its not alcohol(unless its vodka! (dosing! ).

It's nice to be able to get a break when I need to while I work through this stuff. I think a lot of veterans are finding their way to this hobby for that reason. Paul B, who I'm sure some of you may have seen around the forums, is going on something like 65 years with his reef. Paul is also a Viet Nam veteran. I don't think it's necessarily a coincidence at all, but I did not have any idea this would occur when I started my reef, a pure interest in the hobby brought me in and it was an added bonus. I think if more knew they could benefit as well.

I will outline a few questions to set as data collection points, but I would also encourage you to use this as a forum of open discussion in regards to how you feel marine life and your tank may influence your disorder. I also want to note, while we see an influx in post-trauma from the recent wars, this should also apply to any veteran who has served in combat and feels they suffer from PTSD.

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

Beyond these questions, please feel free to openly discuss anything you may feel to be of value in regards to this study.

While I understand many may be reserved to share this information openly, if you are more comfortable PMing me whatever you may wish to add, I can certainly post in a manner that will maintain your anonymity.

Thank you and I hope we can get some good conversation and data points generated and maybe be able to help some of our brothers and sisters who are also suffering.

Misled
03/25/2014, 06:26 PM
Matt, I won't answer your questions, only because technically, I was not in combat situations as normally expressed. I did go to Nam after boot camp, but it was for what was called the CAP program, which basically was training the Vietnamese people. I saw some horrors, but I'm sure it wasn't what combat normally exposes one to. I will give you a little story about what brought me back into this hobby.

Like PaulB, quite a bit of my off time in the Marines involved diving. This had a lot to do with duty stations, but I fell in love with the oceans. I had a salt fish tank within the first year of getting out. Up until about 98, there was either a fish or reef tank in my living room. I got out because the reef got flatworms and this was before FWE. They drove me nuts, so I took it down, but save all equipment and rock. In 04, my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. Before she began her surgeries and treatments, she asked me to set a reef back up. She wanted it for the same reasons you had for PTSD. She doesn't work on the tank much, but she can still sit and stare at it for hours on end. It takes her away. Almost ten years later, the tank is still here. So is my wife. Be strong my brother.

gone fishin
03/25/2014, 06:42 PM
Hey Guys I was in the Navy on a aircraft carrier from 86-90. Missions where conducted but being on the ship I did not have to see the aftermath.

I can attest to the calming and soothing effects a tank has on me. It is not a coincidence that many dentist and doctors keep a tank in their office for this reason.

Paul B
03/26/2014, 08:26 AM
Viet Nam was a long time ago and unfortunately a lot of guys have PTSD that was not a real illness at the time and I never heard of it until many years later. For PTSD or battle fatigue we would get maybe an aspirin and send you back into combat as that is all they had at the time. If you tour a Veteran's Hospital you will see many poor guys there with severe cases of it.
I was drafted a couple of weeks past my 19th birthday and I was a New York boy growing up in the city. I wasn't used to jungles but like most GIs of the time, after some training I was dumped into a clearing in a jungle on a mountain top on the Cambodian border. The first week we were attacked by 400 NVA and they killed about a third of us. They even wrote a book about that battle that just came out http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Base-Illingworth-Remarkable-Staggering/dp/1250024951

The combat was of course an eye opener because at that age the only dead people I ever saw were old people in a clean casket wearing a suit.
I wasn't ready for what I saw and participated in and I certainly wasn't ready to put 30 of my fellow soldiers in body bags after a few hours of intense fighting, much of it hand to hand. You age very fast.

But I think, besides the combat, it was the conditions that also affected people.
For that year I lived in a jungle where it rained for 5 months and I never saw a road, wall, roof, building or electricity. Just bamboo and mud. For a New York City boy, that was unnerving.

My last day in the Army was on Cambodian mountain and they flew me directly to New Jersey, still dirty, they left me there in the middle of the night and gave me a 15 cent subway token and showed me the door. (there are no subways in New Jersey and if my family didn't pick me up I would have had to hitch hike the 100 miles to my home.)

Today, thank God there are parades and people to welcome you home.
I had fresh water fish before I was in the Army and it was logical to start up a tank when I got home. My tanks were still there and I filled them with brackish water as there was brackish fish available like archerfish, puffers, bumblebee gobies, mono's and scats. A few weeks later saltwater fish arrived in Manhattan and I bought the first blue devils imported.
I have plenty of friends but in between doing things with friends I need something else to do as I always have to be busy. Fish filled that void.
I have been retired for 5 years and so far have not had to watch TV in the daytime because I always have something I like to do and with the fish tank I can always find something to do. If there is no maintenance needed I will remove some rocks just to see what is under there or I will take out my microscope to check out some detritus.
I don't know if I suffer from PTSD but my wife, who knew me before I went to war says I do. I think I came back better because ever since then, I don't worry about anything except my family's health. I am also not afraid of much. I never cared if my job fired me (they never did) I would not get crazy if someone stole my car and my fish tank certainly causes me no concern. If something dies or if the entire tank crashed, It would not affect me. I would just start it over.
I don't know if that is a good thing or bad but my wife often tells me when she is worrying about something that I am lucky that I went through combat and she doesn't have those coping skills.

Paul B
03/26/2014, 10:02 AM
Mkoop, there are probably not a lot of us old Viet Nam Vets around any more and I am not sure how many combat Vets there are here, but there is a Military reefer club here
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1971850
Maybe you should post something there to see if anyone is a combat Vet. I am sure there are some from the last two wars.

SGT_York
03/26/2014, 11:19 AM
Mkoop,

Thanks for your service,

I spent two years away, nothing remarkable to note of or heroic in my background, so thanks again for yours. Just Iraq, haven't been to Afghanistan. 2003, 2008.

I dont' have PTSD aside from having a hard time dealing with idiots, readjustment is always a challenge so the first year home was a bit more difficult that I'd imagined. I have many friends and aquaintances that have PTSD and they are all intriqued by the tank. But they are all hesitant to front the costs to start their own. Wish I could help because they all could do so much more if they were calmer.

I certainly love the calming effects of my reef tank, watching, tinkering, and learning certainly help. I certainly agree with the hobby begin used as a potential source for treatment. Certainly better for me than adopting a dog or other normal plan. Something about watching fish swim is so relaxing.

I hope you get some good information from this study I certainly agree that there is a strong benefit.

Paul B
03/27/2014, 11:20 AM
I know there are more combat Vets on here someplace. There has to be.

agruetz
03/29/2014, 02:42 PM
Today, thank God there are parades and people to welcome you home.


Speaking from experience not always. However it is gotten better I would venture to say because of what the Viet Nam guys went thru.

My first night back from combat I slept on a cold hard concrete floor because the useless SNCO's and Officer sent back earlier could not count or did not care to get enough beds for all of us returning.

ChadRaay86
03/30/2014, 07:35 AM
I don't get into details of why, how, when and where regarding PTSD, but my reef tank (and a variety of other hobbies) has been a lifesaver. I've found that making something helps the most. I built my stand, plumbing, sump, rock work (4 or five times now), water change station, dosing setup and a variety of other things and that seems to make me the most at ease.

Each time after I got back I'd find myself building or fixing something almost constantly and now, many years later my wife still enjoys the fact that I'm always improving one or more aspects of the house, even if she doesn't understand why. I think that this hobby lends itself to PTSD, mostly because it puts you back on a schedule and lets you simulate a military checklist better than most postwar activities.

I also hear watching the fish helps with stress in general and maybe thats why I do my homework in the fish room, haha

Kev651
03/30/2014, 09:14 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am a veteran of the Iraq War (2006-2007, 2008-2009) and I would like to put a little input into this post. I did unfortunately serve in combat operations while deployed over there. One of the reasons I have a saltwater aquarium was to see if it help me with problems I've had with the war. It has yielded positive results that have really helped me out. Please contact me if you would like to know any further information. Thanks guys for all the help with raising my aquarium!

mkoop
04/01/2014, 09:03 AM
Posting input from 2 vets who wish to remain anonymous in this:

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Iraq 2005/06
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Sometimes, sorta like my zen garden. When I work on my tank that is all I think about.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
Dunno.



1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Iraq 2004/2005, 2006/2007
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes, I do.
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
I was diagnosed through the VA.
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Absolutely, safety and control have become huge for me. The calming effect of the tank helps me to feel safe. I can obsess over and control my tank, it helps me feel calm when I feel like I have control over nothing else.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
I don't know, this one seemed fitting for me as it doesn't require me to leave the home. I am very uncomfortable in public as I don't feel safe, so it is difficult to pursue a large majority of hobbies.

TigeBell
04/01/2014, 12:35 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

1990/1991 Desert Shield/Desert Storm while serving in the U.S. Marine Corps

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?

Yes

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?

Yes, diagnosed by VA

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?

Yes

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

This hobby does help a lot. Many of times weekly I am up zero dark thirty searching around the tank to keep my mind off "things" in hopes that I am taken away from the nightmares that wake me up in the first place. I was a certified diving instructor while living in Hawaii and a saltwater tank helps to take me back to a place that was quiet, comfortable, and relaxing.

btmedic04
04/03/2014, 07:00 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

06-07 Baghdad Iraq at Ibn Sina hospital in the IZ as a medic. I was never in direct combat, just IDF. I saw the results of combat on too many men, women and children for the 15 months I was there.

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?

Yes

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?

I recognized the signs and symptoms associated with PTSD and went to the VA to get help. All I got was coaching on how to collect disability for when I spoke with the doctor instead of the help I was seeking. I left the office quite PO'd and never went back.

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?

Absolutely. Having a salt water aquarium allows me to focus my efforts and energy in a healthy way towards something that is rewarding. Just watching the aquarium is soothing.

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

I used to build computers as a hobby before I got into saltwater. putting them together was calming, but once I finished building and testing, that was it. there was no continuation for me

geef64
04/03/2014, 07:27 PM
I served in OIF 05-06 and OIF 08-09

I suffer from PTSD and was diagnosed while i was in the Army.

This hobby really is the one thing that can help me relax and enjoy everything. It helps that my son loves to help also

No other hobbies do not allow you still back and watch this world you have created and just lose your self in their activities.

brendon0331
04/04/2014, 12:37 AM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
yes, USMC 1st Battalion 6th Marines, Afghan, Marjah dec 2009- july 2010. Sangin/Kajaki july 2011-feb 2012. Purple Heart recipient
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
not as much anymore
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
yes
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
somewhat, being out and away from stress helps a lot, and this hobby is a big part of the stress release
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
yes and no, it is a peaceful and tranquil hobby so it puts me at ease and calms me down. I get a release from the gym as well.

Paul B
04/04/2014, 09:42 AM
Hey all you guys, If no one said it, Welcome home Brothers. We all have at least two things in common, combat and fish.

One thing that I always notice is that you more modern guys dressed a lot better than we did.
Sgt, First Air Cav

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh270/urchsearch/MeinNam.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/urchsearch/media/MeinNam.jpg.html)

dakotabird
04/07/2014, 02:04 AM
Hey everyone. I did an enlistment with the Marines as an 0351 Assaultman and did Iraq in '08 and then Afghan in '10 where I received the purple heart. I was diagnosed with PTSD by the VA and I got into reef keeping when I got out and moved in with a buddy who had one back home a few years ago. I love the peace I get from watching my tank but I think what I love most are the countless hours of research and actual time spent working on my tanks. College and reef keeping have been the two positive things that have kept me occupied/sane since I got out of the Marines. Without the two of them I literally don't know how I would spend my time.

dakotabird
04/07/2014, 02:17 AM
Hey brendon0331 I was in Now Zad, pretty close to the spots you where at, during the surge in 2010. Lots of my boys spent time in Sangin.

brendon0331
04/08/2014, 12:40 AM
right on brother, who were you with? we used to watch bombs drop in now zad from kajaki.

dakotabird
04/18/2014, 11:05 PM
I was with 1/2

danOkablamo
04/19/2014, 06:52 PM
Hoorah mkoop!

This topic is definately something I can relate to being a veteran 0321/8541 and here are my answers to your questions:

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

Yes, (march- july2003) 2003 RCT1 2/8e for the initial invasion of Iraq along RT1
(february- december 2004)2004 RCT1-3/1m for Vigilant resolve and Al fajr
(september 2005- may 2006) 1st LAR for al qut, husaybah, rutbah, and the black territory north of waleed on the syrian border

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Suffering isn't in a Marine's dictionary, but there are those times when im stuck in my head.....

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
I was diagnosed with PTSD, TBI and all the other side-issues that come with it

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Yes, what bothered me most about PTSD was the depression, and the border-line sociopathic tendancies. Before I had my reef I didn't care much about emotions or displaying them. It became a real problem with my family relations and friendships because it didn't seem like I cared at all. Its not that i didn't, it was more that i was stuck in my own head. After the tank, I felt happy to come home and see my fish excited to see me. The fish gave me the feeling of purpose i was missing from my years of service. What is most therepeutic of this hobby to me is the structure, I hated it when i was in the military and completely dismissed it after EAS. Its the structured schedule of maintenance that keeps me distracted from my internal thought process of mistakes past, even civilians don't consider them mistakes and constantly remind me, but i still kick myself every time i think of them. Reefing keeps me from going down that rabbit hole of internal thought, and its kept me from drinking rediculous amounts of alcohol since i spend all my extra cash on aquarium "toys", so its a win-win for me

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
Golf and Ice hockey work well for me, they help me get my aggression out constructively since I can't really chew out a clownfish now can I? ( don't answer that)
For every Veteran I recommend a hobby for the mental( reefing), and for the physical. You can't maintain a healthy mindset with ptsd on just one hobby alone.

Keep this thread going, I also would like to see what fellow reefkeepers with ptsd have to say about this topic, and help those interested in starting up. Anyone(especially veterans) can feel free to message me with questions about reefkeeping or if their in need of some motivation

Misled
04/19/2014, 08:42 PM
I've been seeing a lot of Jarheads stopping in here lately!!!! Welcome Brothers!!!!!

Breadman03
04/19/2014, 09:24 PM
I've been seeing a lot of Jarheads stopping in here lately!!!! Welcome Brothers!!!!!


We're usually pretty obvious.

TigeBell
04/19/2014, 10:29 PM
We're usually pretty obvious.

Yes we are. :-P I'm glad that we all have reefing in common.

Deton8it
04/20/2014, 08:11 AM
USAF Explosive Ordnance Disposal '98-current
1.Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

Yes, '04- Data Masked, Jun-Dec '07 Kandahar, Afghanistan, Mar-Sep '09 Basrah, Iraq, Jul '10-Jan '11 Delaram Afghanistan

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?

Do I have it, yes. Suffer-no. It is what it is and I'm getting better.

3.Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes but I am out of treatment now and I have been for about 8 months

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?

Yes, I find it calming. Even if my tank were to crash it is still more relaxing than work.

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
yes

Rensmif
04/21/2014, 10:21 AM
I would like to start collecting data in regards to the impacts of Marine Life on post-traumatic stress.


I will outline a few questions to set as data collection points, but I would also encourage you to use this as a forum of open discussion in regards to how you feel marine life and your tank may influence your disorder. I also want to note, while we see an influx in post-trauma from the recent wars, this should also apply to any veteran who has served in combat and feels they suffer from PTSD.

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

Beyond these questions, please feel free to openly discuss anything you may feel to be of value in regards to this study.

While I understand many may be reserved to share this information openly, if you are more comfortable PMing me whatever you may wish to add, I can certainly post in a manner that will maintain your anonymity.

Thank you and I hope we can get some good conversation and data points generated and maybe be able to help some of our brothers and sisters who are also suffering.


Wonderful NEW forum here but I feel it is appropriate to make sure it is off and running on the correct path to begin with and not alienate anyone.

One of the first things you asked (or seemed to require) is whether or not you have been in combat. If you know anything about PTSD then you understand that it does not ALWAYS come from combat, and that being in combat is NOT a requirement, or the only causes of Military related PTSD.

Let us not forget that Trauma is trauma. PERIOD.

purge43
04/21/2014, 11:45 AM
This is the way I look at it.. PTSD... get over it... I was never in actual combat, but i was at the sciene of plane wreckage where 13 of my brothers were killed. and 2 months later 13 more went down into the side of a mountain. Grusome .. yes and smelly...but we're not the only people that experience the destruction of human life. What about the civlant rescue people back here at home or the ER workers, that see it every day of there entire life. My wife works in a ER and I even cry when she comes home and tells me they lost twins of a full term mother that had no complications during the carry, or the teenager in pieces from a stupid drive and drink party ( that most of us did when we were young). Its at the point now that I dont even want her to tell me any more. Im sorry for coming across with this angle, Im not mean, its just this is how my mind has been all messed up by my years. I think we have to be stronge and forget about this stuff... we have bigger things to worry about... the actual taking of another human life... I think we have two existances, one here on earth and another in a higher plane.. some call it our soul.. I have taken human life and I think it marks our soul and all the other souls can see it, it seems when Im around people that dont even know I took a human life, that somehow they can sense I did a really bad thing. Maybe Im totally insane but I think it affects our "Aura" or "glow" and this is what we have to worry about, Not the things we saw or witnessed. I think we have to "fix" that so we can go onto the next life with clean bill.. Im trying to; by trying to do the "right" thing in every situation Im in, of which I probably fail anyway , but I keep trying. Im probably totaly wrong and should be shot or commited, but I think its way more important of what we do instead of what we see. Im really sorry if I upset anyone but this is what this world has turned me into.

Scorpius
04/21/2014, 12:00 PM
I was in law enoforcement for almost three years. I was hazed and bullied horribly to the point I was in fear of my life every day I went to work by my coworkers. I got along better with the people I arrested. I was threatened and I left with what little dignity I had left.

I used to suffer from panic attacks every day I woke up while employed. I now work in manufacturing and when things go bad at work I overreact and freak out.

I think I suffer from some sort of PTSD. I have many hobbies which help me cope. I cannot stand being alone without have minor panic attacks.

Paul B
04/21/2014, 12:42 PM
PTSD probably comes from all sorts of things but I think the OP was more interested in combat related PTSD. I could be wrong but that is what I get from it and just about everyone who initially responded were in combat.
If it were a thread about anyone with PTSD it would cover many more people such as the few people who survived the Trade Center collapse and numerous other things.
But I didn't start the thread so I am not sure.

Misled
04/21/2014, 12:55 PM
I see no need to get into semantics. The OP asked the question if you served in combat or not. That's a yes or no question. He then asks if so, list the time frames and conflicts. Don't read into it any further than that.

mkoop
04/21/2014, 05:42 PM
Wonderful NEW forum here but I feel it is appropriate to make sure it is off and running on the correct path to begin with and not alienate anyone.

One of the first things you asked (or seemed to require) is whether or not you have been in combat. If you know anything about PTSD then you understand that it does not ALWAYS come from combat, and that being in combat is NOT a requirement, or the only causes of Military related PTSD.

Let us not forget that Trauma is trauma. PERIOD.

Hi there, if you have concerns related to my study, please feel free to send me a message with some detailed points. I welcome any ideas or improvements, constructive criticisms or assistance. This is a study that I am personally conducting. I guarantee you, I understand how PTSD works. If you care to address other elements that I have left out, I welcome you to do so and would even go so far as to provide you some data points that I have found. However, what you are stating is simply outside of the scope of my research.

You are absolutely correct. PTSD comes in all shapes and sizes. There is however a significant amount of unknowns still with this disorder. It effects people very differently and I am trying to generalize a group or category to create a control group. IE: Combat, or no combat. Do you personally feel you 'suffer/fight against, whatever you want to call it' vs 'were you clinically diagnosed'. While these questions are very broad, they were about as specific as I could get or felt comfortable asking on an open internet forum. The questions I do ask are ones that I thought would generate responses and not be so specific as to have people avoid them and hinder my study.

When I petitioned the forum admins, mods, powers that be etc, to create a veterans special interest group so we could get more visibility and I could conduct this study, my only intention was to conduct research by attaining some broad data points in relation to PTSD. Upon refinement I realized that was far too broad, and I needed to focus on a more specific area while still keeping broad questions.

The issue we run into is in the way I am controlling this study. I do not have the resources, personal experience or to be honest energy to present this same level of dedicated information gathering for each specific PTSD causation event that any specific person could experience.

The reason I ask the questions I do is to get a broad spectrum of data points that I can compile. In hopes to derive some patterns, maybe make an assumption or two and possibly have another iteration with some different questions to refine or disprove my findings. There are so many variables involved I had to make my project a bit more manageable for a personal study. I am not a research institution, I decided to focus my initial study on specifically combat induced PTSD as it relates to veterans.

Rensmif
04/21/2014, 05:55 PM
I see no need to get into semantics. The OP asked the question if you served in combat or not. That's a yes or no question. He then asks if so, list the time frames and conflicts. Don't read into it any further than that.

Not trying to be difficult, or step on anybody's toes here, just speaking from my direct knowledge and hand's on experience. The OP did say "Post Traumatic Stress - A broad data collection study and discussion," I assumed if he said broad he meant just that.

I AM a Vet who suffers from PTSD among other injuries (100% total and permanent), I have been a patient as well as a volunteer at my local VA hospital since 2002. I am a peer-support specialist and have been a Vet to Vet group leader since 2005.

Our facility used to have certain groups for Vietnam groups, then certain groups for OIF/OEF groups, and lastly certain groups for female Vets . It was found that by dividing the groups that way "certain people" would feel a sense of my conflict was more important, your deployment was not as hostile as mine. I am sure most Vietnam Vets can confirm that they came home to much, much less the fanfare and welcome than that the current Vets receive now. It was found at my local VA that combining all similarly diagnosed Vet's together, we could all benefit and lift each other up.

Not trying to upset anybody or discount anyone's issue's here, I am speaking from personal knowledge of PTSD, it's ongoing complications and treatment, and my personal interactions with numerous Doctors, Social Workers, and other Peer-Support Specialists who work with Veterans.

Rensmif
04/21/2014, 06:02 PM
PM sent- we were posting at the same time LOL

mkoop
04/21/2014, 06:02 PM
Not trying to be difficult, or step on anybody's toes here, just speaking from my direct knowledge and hand's on experience. The OP did say "Post Traumatic Stress - A broad data collection study and discussion," I assumed if he said broad he meant just that.

I AM a Vet who suffers from PTSD among other injuries (100% total and permanent), I have been a patient as well as a volunteer at my local VA hospital since 2002. I am a peer-support specialist and have been a Vet to Vet group leader since 2005.

Our facility used to have certain groups for Vietnam groups, then certain groups for OIF/OEF groups, and lastly certain groups for female Vets . It was found that by dividing the groups that way "certain people" would feel a sense of my conflict was more important, your deployment was not as hostile as mine. I am sure most Vietnam Vets can confirm that they came home to much, much less the fanfare and welcome than that the current Vets receive now. It was found at my local VA that combining all similarly diagnosed Vet's together, we could all benefit and lift each other up.

Not trying to upset anybody or discount anyone's issue's here, I am speaking from personal knowledge of PTSD, it's ongoing complications and treatment, and my personal interactions with numerous Doctors, Workers, and other Peer-Support Specialists who work with Veterans.

You're not stepping on anyone's toes. You present a valid point. I simply had to refine my scope to combat veterans to create a control as taking on PTSD as a whole was simply too much of a bear to wrestle in a personal study.

Misled
04/21/2014, 06:13 PM
I agree. I'm just trying to keep this as civil as possible. We've been given a bit of leeway here to discuss these things. I want it to help and I don't want it to get closed down.

BrianD
04/21/2014, 07:53 PM
What Jesse said. When discussions start heading towards "aural glow", it is the wrong direction.

LCDR Noble
04/21/2014, 10:40 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
yes, I was enlisted way back in the early 90's on an aircraft carrier during Desert Shield/Storm but as an air traffic controller my job was the same with or without people dying. Im a trauma RN now and was at the Role 3 combat hospital in Kandahar for OEF most of 2012. The base was attacked with rockets but I was never personally shot at. I took care of the combat guys straight out the Blackhawks from the battlefield with no arms and legs. Ive held many dying hands. A wonderful and horrible experience if that makes since.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Not that much anymore. I guess I didn't realize how bad that place was until after I got back home.
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
yes through my primary doc but I didn't follow up with the VA. I was on the meds for about 4 months and then tapered myself off them. Now I take nothing.
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
yes, that is the same reason you see aquariums in psychiatrist offices many times.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
yes I do. I go to the gym also and that helps relieve stress. A idle mind is the the Devils playground and just sitting around doing nothing is the worse thing you could do.

Bodnaahh
04/26/2014, 09:00 PM
1. yes - Afghan 2011 - Now-Zad / Shirgazee area

2. yes (minor)

3. no

4. yes, my obsession with the hobby after coming back lead me to study Marine Bio in college actually.

5. I don't think the self enjoyment part of the hobby is the key to its helping. I think its more of the "soothing nature" or just the fact that its like a whole different world or something along those lines.

TxArmyMan217
05/19/2014, 05:04 AM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Yes, Baghdad 2008-2009 and 2010-2012.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes I am diagnosed with PTSD and as I am still Active Duty I am being seen at behavioral Health.
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Absolutely, Just being able to sit back and look at my tank is very soothing to me.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
I feel that as long as I have a hobby that keeps me occupied it helps to put the memories behind me. My other hobby is reloading ammo.

Misled
05/19/2014, 06:41 AM
My other hobby is reloading ammo.

That made me smile!!!! :)

1fishkeeper
05/27/2014, 08:41 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Yes Asscrackerstan Dec-2001-May 2002, Icrack Sep 2004-Mar 200 (caught a freedom bird but not by choice and left some of my body parts on some hill)
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Big time it really calms me down when I'm having one of my days.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
I enjoy going to the range and putting rounds down range. But do a search for my build its called "PTSD treatment tank" in the large tank section

SkySoldier173
06/02/2014, 04:34 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Mar 2003- Mar 2004 Iraq 2/503rd 173rd ABN
Jan 2005-Jan 2006 Iraq 4/1 FA 1st Armored
Sep 2009- July2010 Iraq 3/25 CAB 25th ID
Jan 2011- Jan 2012 Afghanistan 3/25 CAB


2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
I used to really bad but got treatment


3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes


4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Yes. The only somewhat enjoyable thing in my life.


5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
No

tjsailosullivan
06/09/2014, 10:57 AM
I'm really glad to see someone create a tread on this subject and feel this hobby can help many others with similar issues. Kudo's to you and Reef Central for supporting this topic. I've had quite a few deployments in my career to include the intial Special Operations Task Force into Afghanistan/TF-KBAR in 2001. I was medically retired in 2013 (21 years service) as a result of my 2008 combat injuries (80 IED/EFP). Yes I had suffered from some forms of PTSD and many other medical issues from the IED (2 surguries and several bones removed). The hobby to me has been a godsend. I have been a hobbiest for 22 years and planned most the tank that I have today (230 reef) while I was deployed to Iraq in 2007-2008. It helped me take my mind off things a little while I was there and gave me something to look forward to when I returned home. Unfortunately, my tour ended about 10 months into it after a roadside bomb. Months after returning home, I actually dove deep into the reef project as my personal form of therapy and it significantly helped take my mind off of the deployment and the what had happened. It was almost like a crazy obsession which I cant describe. What I can tell you is it that there is definately a stong bond and connection to my tank and my deployment.

Anyways, if there is anyway other way I can support your study please let me know.

here was the story on my incident posted in the local paper for additional SA. Again Kudo's to you and Reef Central for supporting this topic and hope that others will connect.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/macdill/air-force-captain-strives-to-recover-from-roadside-bombing-in-iraq/694318


Best,

Tim OSullivan

Ohio 230 in Large Tank Forum

Paul B
06/09/2014, 11:27 AM
Tim, thank you for your service. I am glad you joined this thread as I am greatful to you along with the other Veterans here. Many of the civilians don't realize that all members of the armed forces are subject to injuries or death in any war no matter where you are deployed in a combat zone.
PTSD, that my generation of Viet Nam Vets never heard of at the time can happen years or even decades after combat. Just this week I am finding out that one of my closest friends who was a Grunt in Nam the year before I was there is having severe issues and it seems the war came back to haunt him.
I don't know how the wars are fought now, I only know about Viet Nam where we stayed a year in the jungle, rarely if ever seeing a building, road, roof, or wall. That, besides the constant combat along with continuous casualties wrecks havoc on young men just as I am sure it does now. I am just surprised it took so long to manifest itself.
I, like you was also blown up but you had much more injuries than I did as I was 200' from the blast that killed a large number of my company. To this day there is a crater there 100' wide that can be seen on Google Earth.
(It was caused during the battle when the 400 NVA tried to over run us and set off 40+ tons of 8" artillery rounds we had piled up on this small firebase.)
I sincerely hope they have something to ease the suffering of you guys who are affected by PTSD.
Welcome home

Eric Boerner
07/16/2014, 12:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love my reef from a pure hobbyist standpoint as well, but it really helps me to disassociate from those memories for awhile and become consumed in my reef. Sure disassociating won't get any of us through all of this, but we can work on that in other ways, and well its not alcohol(unless its vodka! (dosing! ).

I've dealt with PTSD for 20 years, since leaving the Gulf War. A lot of being able to disassociate isn't so much a way to deal with what you're feeling, but mostly a way to forget the past so those feelings don't surface again. I've found personally that any activity that focuses your thoughts on specific goals, without 'wandering off' into PTSD land, is most beneficial. Reefing (and a number of other activities) certainly does require a lot of focus and concentration to get to your desired end goal (setting up, checking water parameters, cleaning, maintaining, trimming, etc). Anything that doesn't allow your brain to wander off into space is a good thing.

My largest trigger event is loud noises. A car back firing, 4th of July, balloons popping. Depending on the situation and where my head is at in the moment (am I already in anxiety mode or not?), I could hit the meltdown point on those triggers.


1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?


1. Yes. I was with the advance survey team in Northern Iraq before the Gulf War. 15 Air Force Civil Engineers and Base Management staff without military escorts or EOD went deep into Iraq before the 81st Airborne started landing. Our mission was to repair the air field and set up base of operations that would serve the Northern Joint Task Force. My primary mission was camp design and management, plus mortuary affairs if needed. Unfortunately, during the 12 months I was there, I processed 13 land mine casualties. Explosions outside of noon, meant someone had stepped in the wrong spot. Any large noises close to me is enough to bring up those memories, which could trigger a PTSD event.

2. Yes.

3. Yes. The VA was quick to diagnose me with PTSD, even though I did not think I was suffering from it. I had a number of conversations with the base psychiatrist when I came back about my experiences so that was on record. Plus the VA psychiatrist also stated that it was still persistent since I had severe anxiety and depression bouts, especially after trigger events.

4. Impact... no. Does it help? I 'feel' that any calming activity that can keep your head focused and not wandering off into space is enough to help deal with memories and keeping them from coming to the forefront of your mind. But it isn't going to permanently suppress those memories or feelings. Seeing a psychiatrist/councilor, joining a PTSD group, or medicating are the only 'real' impacts you'll find. You need to talk out and get everything off your chest about your experiences with someone/people who can either help you under what you're going through. When you can accept that everything that happened is done, gone, over with, and you can 'change' the 'feeling' of anger, sadness, or whatnot from those memories, then you can start working on your triggers.

5. See above.

marietrg
07/17/2014, 01:38 PM
I was a Navy psychiatrist who served with the 3d Marine Division. I don't have PTSD but I worked with Marines who did:) My most proud accomplishment is my Fleet Marine Force officer pin. Used to scuba dive in Okinawa. Have a 200 gallon reef tank in my home. The aquarium gives me great peace too! Thanks for your service.

bill4t
07/20/2014, 10:32 AM
Man guys, all of you who have served have all my respect in the world and all Americans should feel the same. I love my country and our freedom is only because of you guys. I think if this is a hobby that can help any of the members of any of our military that suffers from this then I think our goverment should look into funding a project like this. Or I think a ton of Americans would even be willing to donate money or equipt for the purpose. In another note it kills me to see men and women who have served our country go without housing medical care food or anything. That's the least we can do for all of you that have given so much for us. It truly makes me sick to my stomach to here the story's of any military person going without.

bescher
08/09/2014, 07:40 AM
I was in the service (Army) and was a MP doing convoy escort missions in VietNam as well as Desert Storm and yes I am diagnosed with PTSD and keeping fish helps me immensely.
Particurlarly in watching them, it calms me down so much it's amazing

Scuba_Steve
09/10/2014, 09:21 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

Feb 03 - Feb 04 Kuwait - Iraq
Oct 06 - Jan 08 Camp Taji Iraq
Jan 09 - Jan 10 Camp Taji Iraq... again
Aug 13 - Jan 14 Kuwait (ironically the one that medvaced me out for ptsd, the only non combat tour)

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?

Yes

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?

Yes

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?

Yes I do. There are very few things that can actually calm my anxiety down. None can do so as quickly as working on the aquarium. I just wish I had a tank right now.

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

Scuba diving

bdancing
10/25/2014, 08:20 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
No. I served from 1982-1990, 4 years of which was in spent in Germany. I was a photographer. I photographed everything from promotion ceremonies to autopsies and child abuse. Some of what I saw through the lens will not go away. I am also a domestic violence survivor.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes.
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes, through the VA. I also requested and received cognitive therapy from the VA, and that has helped me become comfortable in public and when meeting new people.
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Yes, a huge impact. It calms me when nothing else will. I have spent many sleepless nights reading about it on reefcentral and other sources, learning everything I can, and keeping the focus off memories.
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
Yes, riding my motorcycle, especially pack riding with other clean and sober people, does wonders. Sometimes I just need to change the air in my head, gotta be in the wind to do that...

mcozad829
11/04/2014, 01:48 PM
Army 11B 2009-2013
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Yes Afghanistan OEF 10/11

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
At 1 point in time very much so, I have gone through much counseling and am better able to cope at this point.

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
Yes through the VA

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Yes especially immediately after I got home.

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
Yes, Hunting and Fishing also allow me to relax and forget stuff for a bit.

Roger30
11/04/2014, 06:27 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
Yes, 2003, invading force, Iraqi freedom

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
Yes, just started sleeping without a weapon near me. However I still do nightly firewatch.

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
No, I figured it was expected.

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
Yes, planning my tank clears my mind and allows me to sleep

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?
Yes, scuba diving has helped and I just started camping again (without weapons!) Also having dogs has helped me sleep, thinking they are on guard at night.

Airborne12B
11/04/2014, 09:23 PM
First off, I'm impressed that there aren't any Force Recon-SEALs from the 3rd Ranger Bat posting in here. So genuinely, kudos to all of you. It's refreshing to see some integrity, and personal accountability on the internet these days.

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.

I spent a year in the stand from 09-10 running around finding IED's and kicking Hajj in the friggin face.

2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD

I do at times, mostly I'm in some stage of denial. Half the time I'm like that old college quarterback. The one that can't stop dreaming about the glory days. The other half is the part that get's me into trouble.

3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?

Yes, but the VA is overrun with idiots. So, I'll probably turn on the tube one day and get confirmation that no one knew what they were talking about. Fingers crossed boys!

4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?

It absolutely has. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Within a week of being discharged from the hospital I tore into a light bird, gave the command hand to a 1SG and assaulted an MP. Now, that might sound like a rip roaring good time, but it was drastically out of character. Lucky for me, I had a PSG who recognized that, and went to bat for me. Turns out he was a reefer. I used to go over to his place do some labor, shoot some weapons, and watch his fish. He turned me on to it, and i'll never look back. I'm now an ichthyology major and am completely obsessed. It just goes to show the difference outstanding leadership (and fish) can make on someones future.

5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

Kayaking and snorkeling are cathartic too, but when I'm really in a jam It's hard to force myself to go do them. But the fish are always there. All I have to do is walk over, crack a beer and relax. I also hope to start diving soon. I'm just trying to scrape the pennies together.

bescher
01/05/2015, 07:39 PM
I would like to start collecting data in regards to the impacts of Marine Life on post-traumatic stress.

I feel this would allow Reef Central to become a forum to provide subject matter information and become an asset by being able to provide visibility into an issue that is becoming prevalent in our society, and how our hobby may be able assist.

I served 3 combat tours in the USMC as a scout sniper and am a purple heart recipient. At the age of 18 I made a decision that before I would start my life, I would make something of it and serve my country. At that age I was not aware of the true repercussions that would bring. I now suffer from debilitating flash backs that are caused by triggers associated with my diagnoses post traumatic stress disorder. I also suffer from many sleepless nights and constantly waking up in a state of panic. My tank has been able to help me deal with some of these symptoms and I feel it has not only become a part of my life, bput has become somewhat of a staple in my journey to recovery.

Don't get me wrong, I love my reef from a pure hobbyist standpoint as well, but it really helps me to disassociate from those memories for awhile and become consumed in my reef. Sure disassociating won't get any of us through all of this, but we can work on that in other ways, and well its not alcohol(unless its vodka! (dosing! ).

It's nice to be able to get a break when I need to while I work through this stuff. I think a lot of veterans are finding their way to this hobby for that reason. Paul B, who I'm sure some of you may have seen around the forums, is going on something like 65 years with his reef. Paul is also a Viet Nam veteran. I don't think it's necessarily a coincidence at all, but I did not have any idea this would occur when I started my reef, a pure interest in the hobby brought me in and it was an added bonus. I think if more knew they could benefit as well.

I will outline a few questions to set as data collection points, but I would also encourage you to use this as a forum of open discussion in regards to how you feel marine life and your tank may influence your disorder. I also want to note, while we see an influx in post-trauma from the recent wars, this should also apply to any veteran who has served in combat and feels they suffer from PTSD.

1. Did you serve in combat? If so, please note the time frames and conflicts.
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD?
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means?
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD?
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder?

Beyond these questions, please feel free to openly discuss anything you may feel to be of value in regards to this study.

While I understand many may be reserved to share this information openly, if you are more comfortable PMing me whatever you may wish to add, I can certainly post in a manner that will maintain your anonymity.

Thank you and I hope we can get some good conversation and data points generated and maybe be able to help some of our brothers and sisters who are also suffering.

I am a VietNam vet, 65 years old, served 20, disabled with PTSD and other things at 100%. I wanted a aquarium for years, my wife ( who was Okinawan and we divorced in 85) was against any aquariums, I couldnt keep in barracks and we were required to stay in barracks until we made E-7. I made E-7 6 months before I got out. I lived in a apartment and no pets. I went downhill and went to the VA and got my ratings it took eight years but did. I always wanted a aquarium and I only have a 40gal planted community tank. But it keeps me going and my current wife says I spend too much time on it and spending money on it. I do plan on going to saltwater and coral. But I have only been back into a year and taking it slow. The VA diagnosed me with all my disabilities ( PTSD of 50%) Yes I served in combat I was a MP working convoy escort in VietNam and my very first trip out we were ambushed ( 1970) but I was also a traffic accident investigator at 6 different bases including Germany and I also covered domestic abused cases, getting shot at by drunk husbands so that also took a toll.
My tank is me. It takes me away to think and worry about something else. I enjoy it as I don't enjoy going out to places( always have to sit facing the door)
I have a physiatrist and a physicologist and attend group sessions twice a month other than going to the Va and store I make a beeline for home. My tank calms me down and soothes me, my SUDS can go from a 9 or 10 back down to 3 or 4 just checking and watching my fish. I relate guys and thank you all for your servicd

Fogvalley
01/12/2015, 09:27 PM
1. Did you serve in combat? Jan 2004-April 2005
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD? Everyday
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means? Yes
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD? Yes
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder? Yes

I think any hobby we can do that keeps us outta our mind is a great thing. Coupled with therapy that is. I go to the va a lot I spent 20 weeks in inpatient treatment for PTSD and substance abuse. It has been a long road. But I am at a place that is pretty good considering where I have been in the past. Good luck to you all, thank you

razorusmc
04/17/2015, 12:17 AM
1. Did you serve in combat? USMC 1991 (Served 88-2000)
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD? Everyday
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means? Yes
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD? Yes
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder? Yes, however this hobby is particularly helpful for me.

hatcher2014
05/05/2015, 02:57 AM
1. Did you serve in combat? yes Army OEF 8(May07-Aug08)
2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD? Yes
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means? Yes was medically discharged for PTSD and TBI
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD? yes
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder? yes

I can only speak for myself when I say how my reef has helped me and maybe other vets can agree and others may not. But a little background first not sure if any has heard or seen the movie Restrepo. But that is about my unit when I was there. I was not in Battle Company, I was in Able Company which we all basically had the same living conditions and constantly in fire fights. It is an amazing movie and I encourage any and all people to watch the movie because it is a great documentary on the war and can give you a small idea on what all combat vets experienced in some similar way. As to the beginning of this post why I believe reef tanks help me and maybe other vets. I currently don't have one at the moment but have had a 125 and 400 which I miss greatly but had to break down after a divorce. But reef tanks are very much like military life. I mean everyday is almost the same you wake up **** shower shave formation then PT. After PT you change have breakfast then your day is planned out and you do as instructed. At the end of the day you have formation then your released and you have a few hours to yourself. Then you keep repeating this. It is like muscle memory. Same way for your tank its basically the same thing every day that you have to do with your tank to make sure it stays healthy and running properly much as the same way you would a soldier. And for me it was nice because it kept me on a schedule after I got and kept me busy. Then I found that on the days that I suffered more than I could find that bit of happiness of making my tank(soldier)better. Find a way to do some DIY project that would take me hours or days to perfect and then after words I would see the results and instantly feel better. Or on the days to wear I would have a bad day and just turn the TV off and just watch my fish swim so peacefully and graceful and watch my coral just sway with the current and I would get lost in my personal ocean. No matter my mood or what had set me off I could always find peace of mind in my tank either by just losing myself in watching it or constantly doing something to improve it. Building more shelves or a better light rack with adjustable cables. I always tried to look at my tank as if there was someone who had me in a giant tank. How well would I want that person to make my life and how comfortable would I want to live. So I always tried to improve my fish's living quarters and make it better for them and to constantly make sure that everything was as perfect as it could be. Hope this helps your study and im sure there will be plenty of people who disagree with what I have said but this is just my opinion on it and I love my reef and cant wait to start up one in the near future.

12_egg_Omelett
05/14/2015, 02:42 PM
Matt if you want I can help you with the data analysis and run this through SAS using dummy coding variable and look for correlations and to see if anything is significant.

C.wooster1981
09/06/2015, 04:59 AM
1. Did you serve in combat?
2003-2004 OIF
2006-OIF
2007- JSOTF-P
2008- OIF
2009- JSOTF-P
2010-2011 OEF
2012-2013 OEF
2014- OEF


2. Do you feel you suffer from PTSD? Not Sure
3. Were you diagnosed with PTSD either through the VA or other reputable means? Yes and MTBI
4. Do you feel this hobby has an impact on your PTSD? Yes
5. Do you feel that any hobby of equal self enjoyment would have similar impacts on your disorder? Not sure

I don't have an aquarium set-up now but prior to my last deployment it had an amazing effect. I would get home pop open some beer and just stand in my kitchen watching my fish for hours. It's like at that moment in time as long as they are happy I am happy. Problem I have is I always want a bigger better tank.

Deton8it
09/06/2015, 05:53 PM
JSOTF-P, I forgot about Operation Enduring PerDiem. JK, I know a lot of Navy EOD that deployed there.