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jwoyshnar
09/01/2014, 05:45 PM
I've been thinking about purchasing a Kessil a360w and I have a question. Does this light need a controller or can it work by itself?
Thanks

lhm nole
09/01/2014, 05:46 PM
I've been thinking about purchasing a Kessil a360w and I have a question. Does this light need a controller or can it work by itself?
Thanks

Can work by itself

jwoyshnar
09/01/2014, 05:52 PM
Thanks for the reply.

CoralsAddiction
09/01/2014, 07:09 PM
I've been thinking about purchasing a Kessil a360w and I have a question. Does this light need a controller or can it work by itself?

Thanks


If you don't care for the sunrise/sunset effect you can get an A350 model and save yourself quite a bit of money, especially if you are buying more than one.

Reefvet
09/01/2014, 08:16 PM
If you don't care for the sunrise/sunset effect you can get an A350 model and save yourself quite a bit of money, especially if you are buying more than one.

Yup you can save money. But it's not the same light.

You'll also be buying a light that's been discontinued. It's on sale at some dealers that still have stock. It's a great value at $300 but it's also 15% less output and lacks the option to run it with their new $100 controller or an Apex or RA.

ktownhero
09/01/2014, 08:37 PM
If you don't care for the sunrise/sunset effect you can get an A350 model and save yourself quite a bit of money, especially if you are buying more than one.

That's a bit misleading. The 360 is more powerful and allows you yo adjust temperature and intensity independently. The 350's temperature adjustment, on the other hand, affects its intensity.

that Fish Guy
09/01/2014, 10:37 PM
Yup you can save money. But it's not the same light.

You'll also be buying a light that's been discontinued. It's on sale at some dealers that still have stock. It's a great value at $300 but it's also 15% less output and lacks the option to run it with their new $100 controller or an Apex or RA.

Big Problem with the A360's is that they do not get the Deep Blue Color found on the A350 and the A150 Deep Ocean Blue Actinic 20K Lights.

For that reason alone I will never get an A360.

that Fish Guy
09/01/2014, 10:39 PM
Yup you can save money. But it's not the same light.

You'll also be buying a light that's been discontinued. It's on sale at some dealers that still have stock. It's a great value at $300 but it's also 15% less output and lacks the option to run it with their new $100 controller or an Apex or RA.

What Dealers still have them in stock?

I can't find them anywhere.

moondoggy4
09/02/2014, 12:35 AM
What is the replacement for the 360 I do like the price point of the 350, great light for the money.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 02:38 AM
lacks the option to run it with their new $100 controller or an Apex or RA.


Lol that was the whole point of my post. OP can pay $100 less per light and does not have to spend $100 on the controller. 😀. We are talking $200 in savings right there.
As far as 15% more intensity...unfortunately I don't know what that means in terms of coral growth. Does it necessarily mean 15% more growth? I doubt it. Even if it is does it really justify the cost at this point when the cheaper model is still available for sale?
So yeah, I guess A360 is "new and improved" lol but I much rather buy the previous model at a substantial discount and keep my 💵 in my wallet. Lol 😃

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 02:42 AM
What Dealers still have them in stock?



I can't find them anywhere.


If you were in socal I would let you have one of my 3 months old A350W for $240 as I recently downgraded my tank.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 02:45 AM
That's a bit misleading. The 360 is more powerful and allows you yo adjust temperature and intensity independently. The 350's temperature adjustment, on the other hand, affects its intensity.


Do Kessils have a reputation of overheating? Never had a problem with that and I ran them on a shallow tank

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 02:51 AM
To OP: if you like the A360 I definitely endorse it because Kessil makes great lights. Just trying to do a little cost/benefit analysis here lol😃

that Fish Guy
09/02/2014, 07:02 AM
Do Kessils have a reputation of overheating? Never had a problem with that and I ran them on a shallow tank

They Keep Very Cool for me.

I have never heard of them Over Heating.

ganjero
09/02/2014, 07:11 AM
Do Kessils have a reputation of overheating? Never had a problem with that and I ran them on a shallow tank

You misread the post. The A360 series allows you to adjust the intensity and the color temperature (from about 10k to 20K), not the thermal temperature of the light.

The A350 series does not allow you to adjust intensity independently from color temperature. When you adjust the color the intensity is directly affected, in other words to run this light at 100% intensity you need to have both channels all the way up. You would never be able to run the light on the most extreme points for the colors (really blue or really white) at 100%, which you can do with the A360 series.

On top of that the a360WE is more powerful than the A350.

ktownhero
09/02/2014, 07:31 AM
Do Kessils have a reputation of overheating? Never had a problem with that and I ran them on a shallow tank

As the above member clarified, I was referring to color temperature.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 08:36 AM
As the above member clarified, I was referring to color temperature.


I see. Well, I am sure it's an awesome light but I would still prefer to pay less for the A350W. 😃

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 08:42 AM
You misread the post.


Lol I don't think I did but thanks for clarifying the term "temperature" as it applies to Kessil lighting rather than common use of the word. 😃

Reefvet
09/02/2014, 10:08 AM
Lol that was the whole point of my post. OP can pay $100 less per light and does not have to spend $100 on the controller. 😀. We are talking $200 in savings right there.
As far as 15% more intensity...unfortunately I don't know what that means in terms of coral growth. Does it necessarily mean 15% more growth? I doubt it. Even if it is does it really justify the cost at this point when the cheaper model is still available for sale?
So yeah, I guess A360 is "new and improved" lol but I much rather buy the previous model at a substantial discount and keep my 💵 in my wallet. Lol 😃

But that's your preference and biased, incorrect information. :uhoh3:

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:33 AM
But that's your preference and biased, incorrect information. :uhoh3:


I am sorry? 1st of all I am saying my preference is to go with a previous model due to the fact you still get a very nice light at a lower cost. 2nd of all none of the posters above, you included, have given the cost/benefit analysis that supports your argument.
So do me a favor and provide me any information about how the 15% increase in intensity makes corals grow faster or makes them healthier

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:38 AM
But that's your preference and biased, incorrect information. :uhoh3:


Yeah you are right about the first part...but biased and incorrect...? Wow. Ok.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:46 AM
My corals went from this http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/09af3d6c9e606e33c462ac43898b3bb8.jpg
To that in 5 months under A150W (2 months) and A350Wa (3months)
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/dc50787c75e831f5b1759bf53a35095e.jpg
So it works for me and I didn't pay $400 for each of my lights.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:46 AM
My corals went from this http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/09af3d6c9e606e33c462ac43898b3bb8.jpg
To that in 5 months under A150W (2 months) and A350Wa (3months)
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/dc50787c75e831f5b1759bf53a35095e.jpg
So it works for me and I didn't pay $400 for each of my lights.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:50 AM
Here's what the green digi looks like today. Same one in the first pic

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/dbb51bfb13241c8ef893c8d1731ae0a7.jpg

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 10:51 AM
Here's what the green digi looks like today. Same one in the first pic

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/02/dbb51bfb13241c8ef893c8d1731ae0a7.jpg

ganjero
09/02/2014, 11:18 AM
So do me a favor and provide me any information about how the 15% increase in intensity makes corals grow faster or makes them healthier

Nobody is saying that there is an exact relation between intensity and growth rate; however, that 15% might be really important depending on the setup and inhabitants. Your pictures show good results but those corals are not the most light demanding SPS. They also seem to be placed in the upper part of the tank, which is fine since it works for you, but with higher intensity you also expand your inhabitant selection and placement range.

Also, the 360 gives more than just an increase in intensity as I posted above. Your recommendation is valid, you do still get a good light at a lower price, but the improvements that the A360 offers for $100 extra are worth to consider.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 11:37 AM
Your pictures show good results but those corals are not the most light demanding SPS.


You are right not as demanding as some acros. That said I should've mentioned I run my Kessils at 50% capacity.

jwoyshnar
09/02/2014, 11:50 AM
Thank you everyone. I learned more in this post than I found in the last few days. I really appreciate the help and knowledge

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 12:11 PM
Thank you everyone. I learned more in this post than I found in the last few days. I really appreciate the help and knowledge


You are very welcome. I highly recommend Kessil lights...even the 360 that I have no experience with. Lol😃.
They grow coral well. To go back to you first post you do not need a controller to run the light but many people opt to get one anyway for reasons posted above by other RF members. Good luck!

Reefvet
09/02/2014, 05:02 PM
I am sorry?

No need to apologize. My point was very clear. If you can't grasp that I can't help you.

Yup you can save money. But it's not the same light.

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2014, 05:43 PM
No need to apologize. My point was very clear. If you can't grasp that I can't help you.

If only there was anything to grasp in your posts ReefVet...I found Ganjero's posts far more informative than your two liners. But thanks anyway.