Crosshatch trigger 911 HELP

[manny532]

So I bought a crosshatch trigger about 5 months ago back in november. When I bought him he was only eating ghost shrimp and was pretty pale. I made a special blend of shrimp, scallop, atlantic salmon, squid, octopus and clam. He ate that right up and ate like a pig while in qt. Coloration got beautiful. He wouldn't eat anything else though so I decided to thaw his food and put small cut up pieces of nori and pellets in it. The punk not only tried it and spit it out but he went on a food strike for about 3 weeks. He would only get the cube in his mouth and spit it out. After about 3 weeks he started eating again. I would hand feed him roughly 2 average size cubes of my special blend 3 to 4 times a day. Sometimes he would even eat more because after he was done with his food he would go for the bigger chunks that was meant for is other tank mates. Well, I made a mistake and my fishes ended up with flukes. After doing plenty of reading on prazipro i treated my main tank. Well, between the prazi and the fact i was dosing my tank with vitamin c and having to cut my skimmer uv light carbon purigen and gfo my tank clarity went to crap, got super cloudy after 5 days of treating with prazi i did a 60 gallon water change on my 225 gallon with 100gallon sump, ran skimmer uv etc for 3 days. Water cleared up somewhat but not crystal clear as it was in the beginning. Redosed prazi for 3 more days but i just couldn't stand the white milky water and my fishes all started breathing hard so i did another 60 gallon water change and ran skimmer uv etc etc all over again. Water cleared up a enough to the point where i can see my fish through the water but still looks cloudy as heck.

Since before i realized it was flukes until now its been roughly A MONTH (30 DAYS) since my trigger has even looked at food. For these 30 days not only has he not touched or looked at any food but he only hides in 1 of two places wedged up in the rocks. He has lost coloration and looks more pale than when i originally purchased him. His belly still looks fat but i'm super worried this won't be for much longer. I even tried offering clams on a shell and dropping them right in front of him. He will look at them then look at me as if saying no thank you. I plan on going to my lfs later and buying a few dollars worth of ghost shrimp. I don't want him to die, what else can i do. His tank mates are all eating and look good. nobody is bothering him, i don't understand.

tank info:
225 gallon with 100 gallon sump (sump holds on average about 75-80 gallons)
tank mates include
achilles tang 4"
black tang 2.5"
blonde naso 4"
lt tang 4"
blue hippo 1.5"
moorish idol 3.5"
blue face angel 4"
regal angel 4"
2 clowns
5 bartletts
6 fire gobies
stary bleny
pink spot goby
bullet goby
cleaner wrasse
neon goby
royal gramma
coral beauty
potters angel

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[arashsheikhpoor]

Have you checked the ammonia salinity ph etc?

[manny532]

Amonia 0 nitrite 0 ph 7.8 - 8 nitrate 40 salinity 1.022

[enjetek]

Future appears not so great..... If you think it might be flukes wouldn't it be a good idea to treat your tank? Even if you pull out the x hatch the other fish might have flukes still and then it might get reinfected. Either you fix the problem or bye bye expensive fish?

[bc1281]

Future appears not so great..... If you think it might be flukes wouldn't it be a good idea to treat your tank? Even if you pull out the x hatch the other fish might have flukes still and then it might get reinfected. Either you fix the problem or bye bye expensive fish?

He is treating his tank.

[Dmorty217]

So did the PP treatment take care of the flukes? The trigger isn't eating because he is sick/stressed

[Dkuhlmann]

Future appears not so great..... If you think it might be flukes wouldn't it be a good idea to treat your tank? Even if you pull out the x hatch the other fish might have flukes still and then it might get reinfected. Either you fix the problem or bye bye expensive fish?

I really think you should go back and reread the original post. He IS treating it with Prazipro :reading:

[enjetek]

I really think you should go back and reread the original post. He IS treating it with Prazipro :reading:


How about you go back and re read his post. He started pulling it out because it got cloudy. Thanks for your input though.

[enjetek]

And in case you don't know the instructions dkhulmann, here they are from the site: A single treatment lasting 5-7 days is normally sufficient. Repeat as necessary, but no more than once every 3 to 5 days. And yes, I know others have used a modified version too but never a shorter time. Thanks again for clearing it up buddy. In case you could read he mentioned twice something about 3 days....

[Dkuhlmann]

Well enjetek I suggest that you don't assume that we can read your mind. If you read YOUR post and what myself and bc1281 said made perfect sense. However you had something else in your head but it didn't make it to the text that you typed.

Get off yer high horse man. This is an open forum for DISCUSSION! No need to be "snippy" :debi:

[enjetek]

How did you have to read my mind? The op stated that he only ran 3 day long treatments? I didn't see bcs' reply to my post (darn phone views) but he would get the same response as I did to yours. Incomplete treatment is garbage and that's why his fish are sick. When you guys are telling me he's treating his tank the answer is no he isn't because he's not even doing a correct treatment.

Do you think me stating I'm a millionaire and only making 100k is the same thing? If you have to get treatment for cancer and you do half a chemo session will that count as a full one? Come on guys.

[Dmorty217]

Prazipro is only effective for 3 days and cloudy water caused by PP is more than likely caused by expired PP. Only other option available to you is force feeding your trigger. Although if you don't cure the flukes it won't matter. Para guard works on flukes too

[enjetek]

I value your opinion dmorty but I still like to follow manufacturers instructions sometimes too. Almost like cupramine they recommend .5 but .3 is tolerated here. If the x hatch still has issues I would opt to go the recommended treatment length specified by Hikari since 3 days didn't cut it

[manny532]

Guys please... no fighting :| I did treat pp for 5 days as the instructions say from 5 to 7, then I did a water change ran skimmer uv purigen and carbon for 3 days then dosed pp again but couldn't do the second dose for 5 to 7 as they started breathing profusely and I could barely see them through the cloudy water so I cut the second treatment to 3 days and did another water. Yesterday I actually tried feeding my trigger with a thin piece of wood they serve shrimp skewers with and a piece of my food blend at the tip and literally held it in front of his mouth as if feeding an eel or what not. He literally just looked at it then me and he flipping turned around and have me his tail. When I took the food out he turned back around as he was. None of them are really showing signs of flukes anymore though. No more darting, shaking of their heads twitching finds etc. It's been maybe a 8 10 days since my last water change and turning back on all my filtration. My water parameters are all good atm, fish are pretty much all eating looking good, it's just my trigger. I really don't want to do anymore unnecessary treatments or other meds IF they aren't needed. If it's a must then so be it but I just find it odd that everyone has gone from signs of flukes and suppressed appetite then back to normal but my trigger still just hiding and refusing to eat. What else can I try other than to just wait it out?

[manny532]

Gave me his tail* ... twitching fins etc* sorry auto correct in my phone

[manny532]

If this helps, this is his favorite housing place now. He spends most of his day and night here https://www.dropbox.com/s/7c3v0iog65my9rx/20150426_134740.mp4?dl=0

[manny532]

Hiding place*

[enjetek]

No luck with like the large Hikari mysis shrimp (assuming it's a larger trig)? Tried any appropriate sized pellets like nls?

[enjetek]

Anyway to have like dim lights to get him relaxed?

[manny532]

No luck with any kind of pellets or mysis. Literally the only thing I could get him to eat was my mix blend of stuff and since I'm running out I was thinking this time adding oysters and lobster tail to the blend. But trust me I've tried hikari seaweed pellets, spectrum pellets both small and large size, I've tried flakes. Heck even my blend he only went after the larger pieces. He's about 8 and a half inches.

As far as the lights, most the day I run a 30 watt 48" strip of leds. It's not very bright and the ends of the tank are pretty dim. The bright leds in the video I only turn on for about 2 3 hours a day or on weekends. I'll try leaving them off for now and just leave the 30 watt led strip. Any other tips?

[enjetek]

I mean personally usually fish that stop eating I try to interact with them as little as possible to gain courage. I would dump in your food and hopefully it seeing the other fish would help to make it start eating. Sometimes there are just fish that don't make it you know? :( there are even stories where fish eat all the time and appear healthy and just drop dead suddenly. That's the way of this hobby sometimes

[Dkuhlmann]

Guys please... no fighting :| I did treat pp for 5 days as the instructions say from 5 to 7, then I did a water change ran skimmer uv purigen and carbon for 3 days then dosed pp again but couldn't do the second dose for 5 to 7 as they started breathing profusely and I could barely see them through the cloudy water so I cut the second treatment to 3 days and did another water. Yesterday I actually tried feeding my trigger with a thin piece of wood they serve shrimp skewers with and a piece of my food blend at the tip and literally held it in front of his mouth as if feeding an eel or what not. He literally just looked at it then me and he flipping turned around and have me his tail. When I took the food out he turned back around as he was. None of them are really showing signs of flukes anymore though. No more darting, shaking of their heads twitching finds etc. It's been maybe a 8 10 days since my last water change and turning back on all my filtration. My water parameters are all good atm, fish are pretty much all eating looking good, it's just my trigger. I really don't want to do anymore unnecessary treatments or other meds IF they aren't needed. If it's a must then so be it but I just find it odd that everyone has gone from signs of flukes and suppressed appetite then back to normal but my trigger still just hiding and refusing to eat. What else can I try other than to just wait it out?

Not fighting at all. I simply said he needed to reread your OP as you had treated, he said unless you treat that death would follow, or something along those lines. (I'm not going back to copy and paste this)

Simple really you treated with Prazipro (it was put in your tank and left for several days) If you hadn't put anything in then I would have agreed with him. :headwally:

[manny532]

I just felt like there was a little tension in the thread. Thanks for the advice everyone. Well I killed the bright leds and only left the dim ones and don't plan on turning them back on any times soon. Just got home from my lfs and bought 5 bucks worth of ghost shrimp about to dump them right in front of him with hopes he sees them and is provoked to hunt and eat. Will keep posted but if there is anything anyone can think of or if anyone has experienced what my babies are going through any tips would be highly appreciated.

[manny532]

And yes, damn the unexplained down sides of this hobby :(

[manny532]

Oh and about the exp pp got me curious and I looked for the date on the bottle, 10/2019.

[Neebles]

Another stupid question....did you shake up the bottle of Prazi real good? Like real real good, then shake it again?

[manny532]

Never such a thing as a stupid question. Sometimes one of those questions ends up being the thing we over look. I shook the bajesus out of that bottle.

[Neebles]

Never such a thing as a stupid question. Sometimes one of those questions ends up being the thing we over look. I shook the bajesus out of that bottle.


Good, now shake it some more. Lol. I had to ask, I hope you figure out what is going on soon! Cheers!

[manny532]

:/ lol, thanks. At this point I'm just starting to hope it was a Domino effect from flukes, medicine, water quality for turning off filtration while the meds were in place, more medicine and now just a matter of time until he gets over it. I mean, everyone else is now fine. Eating swimming etc, just him.....

[Dmorty217]

:/ lol, thanks. At this point I'm just starting to hope it was a Domino effect from flukes, medicine, water quality for turning off filtration while the meds were in place, more medicine and now just a matter of time until he gets over it. I mean, everyone else is now fine. Eating swimming etc, just him.....

My limited experience with Crosshatch triggers I would say that him not eating and trying to adjust back to normal is... normal. It took 5 days or so for the male that I got 3 weeks ago this coming wednesday to eat and even now he is still very timid and will hide or seek shelter when I come up to feed the Bandit and him. At this rate it will be a few months before he sees me as food and not a threat

[manny532]

I really hope that's what it is. Just adjusting back.... It's just hard to accept how much he would swim and eat to now just watch him hide all day and not eat.

[Dmorty217]

Are you sure that the flukes are gone?

[dankreef]

I have had to treat flukes before 3 times with like 7 day doses to get rid of it. 100 bucks he still has flukes. Not eating is a tall tale sign of fluke infestation.

[manny532]

Can't be 100 percent because I can't see them but the signs the fishes showed are gone. No more twitching bodies, fins, heads.... no more darting around, and appetite has been back to normal shortly since after my last treatment and water change. Literally on my second treatment third day that I stopped treatment, water was so cloudy I could only see fishes swimming right in front of the glass because of how cloudy my water was. If they were about a foot or so from the glass it was like a shadow swimming by. All of them were breathing profusely showing minimal to no interest in their favorite foods. My blue face angel was laying on his side on the gravel in a corner, I had not seen my black tang or my hippo tang those last 3 days. I did a water change turned back on all my filtration and the first maybe two days they would shake really bad which made me think the treatment didn't work but then I read on a forum somewhere that it was normal after fluke treatments. Anyways after that my fishes were back. Swimming around and eating like pigs and no signs.

[manny532]

Dank, even though none of the other fish are showing any signs? I could understand if from the getgo it was only him, but it effected all of them and after the second treatment everyone is now fine just him. Could it be posible?

[manny532]

If I can get at least a second opinion that it's most likely still flukes for him I don't know how but I'll take him out and throw him in my 80 gallon qt by himself. If not then wait it out to see if it's just stress from flukes meds and water quality and now just re adjusting.

[220tang]

Just out of curiosity and throwing this out there your water changes and constant change of water could be stressing the fish out even more I understand why you are doing that but the little things could be just adding more stress is there a change in water temp with the water change and how are you getting the water in the tank cause a drastic change in water flow from something like dumping a bucket in there could stress him out even more sounds like you have some amazing fish hope all goes well!

[220tang]

If I can get at least a second opinion that it's most likely still flukes for him I don't know how but I'll take him out and throw him in my 80 gallon qt by himself. If not then wait it out to see if it's just stress from flukes meds and water quality and now just re adjusting.

I really think you hit it right on with this one sounds like a lot of stress to me I think he is just still recovering and I would hate for you to treat the tank again and put all your other fish through another treatment

[manny532]

Thanks 220. I do my water changes with a 40 gallon and 20 gallon trash can. I cut the water from my return pump and only leave the wp60 in my tank on. I pick up as much detritus and junk from my sump with a pump hooked up to a hose that leads to the street. Then to refill I throw the same pump in the bins and the end of the hose to my sump. I normally will change roughly 40 gallons a month never as much as I have but also given the circumstances of the pp and water quality. I do feel that perhaps the amount of water changed in the amount of time may have added stress which is more reason I'm stuck in limbo. Should I wait, should I remove and retreat. If he still has flukes and I wait it's a death sentence. If he's just stressed from flukes then meds water quality then lots of recent water being changed to just remove him from his current tank stress, new tank more stress and treat again especially if he no longer has flukes... death. Fml.. :c

[manny532]

Oh and about the temp I'm guilty.. i didn't heat it up those last two times before throwing it in the sump. Normally I would but I didn't see more than a 2 degree drop in water and it was a very slow drop. From the water being pumped slowly back to my display and quickly being mixed up in my tank by the in tank flow it was very slow.

[manny532]

Yes and I feel the same. Especially when none of the other fish show signs, are eating well and just look healthy in general. It's just the crosshatch so if anything I'd remove him and treat alone but I'm scared that if its not flukes it is just stress from all the recent events I'm going to make things worse which is why I'd like at least a second opinion if not third that it may still be flukes and I'll get him out and treat. Otherwise wait.

[220tang]

Yeah the only problem is I feel like flukes is a tougher thing for other people on RC to tell you that's the issue without personally examining seeing how a lot of symptoms are shared with a fish in stress I would keep a close eye on him and use your judgement it's just tough call to make I would try not to change any conditions unless you feel it's completely necessary I just don't want to see you jeopardize your whole tank for one of the fish by treating it again when it sounds like you are pretty certain te other fish are well you have a lot of amazing fish would love to see some pics!

[Dkuhlmann]

Don't Heniochus eat flukes and other parasites off of other fish?

[manny532]

Trying to get him to eat just now

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l3l5i1yoc5bxkv/20150427_122125.mp4?dl=0

I don't really have pics but here's a video about a month ago (my crosshatch was already hiding). The sailfin blenny I lost during the first treatment and the powder blue and powder brown in between treatments plus they started fighting and the queen angel I took back to my lfs because she started fighting with my achilles and chased around my blue face angel.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xq5cinngob2j2j5/20150411_194045.mp4?dl=0

[manny532]

I don't know about the heniochus eating flukes but I did read cleaner wrasse and cleaner gobies help with flukes and I do have 1 of each and do see fishes going up to them for cleaning. I doubt they can get deep into the gills although I have seen my cleaner wrasse sticking his mouth pretty deep in the fish's gills

[manny532]

Took this just now, and if you notice my achilles right eye that was due to the queen angel but its gotten much better especially since now she's gone
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7s5hc348dw01ib/20150427_125658.mp4?dl=0

[hdpt73]

Male triggers are pretty stubborn, the one you have is pretty big so probably more stubborn. I went through the throw everything in the tank stage when I got my male and what worked was frozen rainbow smelt from the Asian store. They are usually pregnant with eggs so it's pretty irresistible when other fish peck at the stomach breaking the eggs everywhere in the tank. Put the smelt on a big hook (big enough that your fish can't put it in his mouth) and fishing line letting it hang near his cave entrance. I got my Crosshatch, Moorish Idol and Regal Angel eating with this same method. Good luck with your expensive fish.

[Dkuhlmann]

I don't know about the heniochus eating flukes but I did read cleaner wrasse and cleaner gobies help with flukes and I do have 1 of each and do see fishes going up to them for cleaning. I doubt they can get deep into the gills although I have seen my cleaner wrasse sticking his mouth pretty deep in the fish's gills

Well the reason I brought it up was I had a trio of them that cleaned all the fish in my previous 200. I had flukes and after I got the Heniochus I didn't. The other fish would swim up to them and open their gills lol to let them clean out anything in there, as well as all over them. Was really cool to watch.

Cleaner wrasses don't live very long.

[manny532]

Thank you hdpt! I will definitely try that. And yes mine is supper stubborn. When I tried sneaking nori in his food he literally spit the whole cube back out and for a few days did nothing but spit the food out and refused to eat for a good 3 weeks. All for trying to give him a healthier meal. I will probably head out to an Asian market today hopefully I find that stuff and get him to eat again.

[manny532]

Dkuhlmann I don't know why I wasn't able to see your last post until just now. I'm curious how big was your trio. I have a pretty stocked tank but do have plans for a bigger setup in a few years. Maybe I can get one or two small ones. I've seen them as small as the size of a quarter at my lfs.

[manny532]

And so far I've had my cleaner wrasse maybe 3 months please don't jinx me :/, he currently does a pretty good job of cleaning everyone without really harassing and he also eats nori and my special blend I made for them.

[Dkuhlmann]

Mine were about 2-3" and any and all fish in the tank came to them for cleaning of parasites. They would come and open their gills and the "nurse" would clean inside and between the gills and then the fish being cleaned would just stay there while the nurse cleaned the whole body. Really fun to watch. Besides they don't get eaten like cleaner shrimp do and also live much longer than the cleaner wrasses.

[manny532]

Nice, learned something new ty. Want to try it now as well :) better than just waiting or dosing more meds I'm not sure are even necessary as I'm still not sure they exist. But if they might help I would like to try.

[Dkuhlmann]

I'll try and get into my old laptop that should have some pictures of my old tanks and post some pictures of them. I believe I have some pictures of them cleaning my xl Emperor Angel. If I can find them I'll post them here.

Butterflyfish of all types are my favorite fish but sadly in my current little 30 gal they won't be. I really don't want the work that goes along with having a larger system again.

[Dkuhlmann]

Nice, learned something new ty. Want to try it now as well :) better than just waiting or dosing more meds I'm not sure are even necessary as I'm still not sure they exist. But if they might help I would like to try.

Damn sure won't hurt anything and you will love the fish. Even if you only get a smaller pair you will be fine, they are very social fish and it seems all other fish know that this is the "nurse" fish :D :fish1:

[manny532]

Aww I'd love to see the pics. I really don't mind the work. Not for fish at least :)

[manny532]

Hdpt73 I know you said rainbow smelts but when I went to the Asian market all they had were these that said smelt. Are they the same? https://www.dropbox.com/s/urbfolfjp6irhuf/20150427_220111.jpg?dl=0

[hdpt73]

Hdpt73 I know you said rainbow smelts but when I went to the Asian market all they had were these that said smelt. Are they the same? https://www.dropbox.com/s/urbfolfjp6irhuf/20150427_220111.jpg?dl=0

http://www.austinreefclub.com/uploads/gallery/album_63/gallery_115_63_1013954.jpg


http://www.austinreefclub.com/uploads/gallery/album_63/gallery_115_63_2380074.jpg

Here you go Manny. The hook won't rust and use a nylon line.

[manny532]

Sweet! Going to go to big 5 in a minute for that hook. I tried with the stick but maybe he wasn't very fond of the stick. Awesome looking fishes btw. Your idol makes mine look anorexic lol.

[manny532]

Welp, I tried the smelt. Everyone, literally everyone went for it at one point or another but my crosshatch didn't budge. Thanks for the tip though. Was worth a shot.

[manny532]

I think it was funny how the only thing they left was the skull and spine. Freaking salt water piranhas man.

[manny532]

Well just a quick update, he still isn't eating but today he did come out a little bit looked around and went back into hiding vs before he wouldn't come out at all. Still fat belly.

[joshky]

I didn't read the entire thread so you might have said, but have you tried soaking some food in selcon? Love that stuff.

Hopefully you catch a break soon, gotta be stressful.

[manny532]

Yup, selcom, kents vitamin c and garlic. He was eating very well but I got a fluke outbreak and he just quit eating and then quit swimming and just started hiding.

On another note the little bit he did swim I manged to net him just now and I transferred him over to my 80 gallon observation tank. Maybe completely alone he comes around.

[woodnaquanut]

It the observation tank in a quieter room than the DT? I noticed lots of kid noise, banging, etc. in the first video. Perhaps he just needs a vacation from the activity?

Got any pics from the OT?

[manny532]

Living room :/ kids playing the xbox... but banging no where around the tank. Kids know better and music neighbors had something going on. I'm starting to feel maybe he just needs a bigger less crowded home.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tklykvr05hl9sa0/20150502_175715.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6bzb3zb02nzjp8q/20150502_175758.jpg?dl=0

[woodnaquanut]

How's he doing in the OT? There doesn't seem to be any good hiding spots in there that he'd fit into. Hard to tell from pics.

Some fish seem so shy any disturbance will freak them. If I walk up to my DT too fast the One Spot Foxface will always hide and go 'camo' mode. This is no problem for a fish that is eating well and can stand to miss a meal or two. It just might be a tough environment for your guy to get comfortable. Good you moved him into a quiet tank.

Another thing I've noticed is those shy fish can get a bit bolder if there are small, non threatening fish with them. Dither fish is what we call them in the fresh water world! All alone and x-box are probably equally unnatural for fish.

[manny532]

He's not very shy though I can walk straight up to him and he'll just look at me. As far as hiding places what he does is he wedges himself between the pvc tubing. When I left my display tank fallow for 3 months he did well in this tank with a few tank mates. Ate very well too. He would eat about 6 cubes of food a day.

[manny532]

Tried ghost shrimp again last night, threw in a guppy as well... blood worms this morning still looks good but showing no interest in food.

[manny532]

Well I'm pretty sure it's over for my little buddy. I just heard weird noises coming from my living room. Dt ok, ot my trigger is swimming sideways, upside down, crashing into the glass in all directions, crashing into pvc, diving nose first at the bottom of the tank twirling around. .. i feel so terrible I want to take him out of his misery but don't have it in me to do it😳

[nuxx]

Tank temp?

Sorry to hear he's doing worse :(

Never really had issues with Crosshatches eating. Most common thing is flukes.

Our two will dart across the tank if they see me approach, thinking there's a chance for food.

They also are the first (along with the cleaner wrasse) to the nori rocks.

[manny532]

Tell me about it.. tank emp 76/77.. Mine literally looked like a fish version of a dog at feeding time. He won't touch nori though. Went on a 3 week hunger strike the day I sneaked some in his food. He literally just spit it out and quit eating for 3 weeks. Got over it but then like you said, flukes... literally last night he looked like he was having a seizure or something. This morning his breathing was relaxed again and he's once again just hiding between the pvc. It's heart wrecking[emoji20]

[nuxx]

Tell me about it.. tank emp 76/77.. Mine literally looked like a fish version of a dog at feeding time. He won't touch nori though. Went on a 3 week hunger strike the day I sneaked some in his food. He literally just spit it out and quit eating for 3 weeks. Got over it but then like you said, flukes... literally last night he looked like he was having a seizure or something. This morning his breathing was relaxed again and he's once again just hiding between the pvc. It's heart wrecking[emoji20]

Can you not pull him and put him in QT?

Maybe being alone and getting spot treated will help...

[manny532]

I did take him out of the dt some time ago. He is alone in an 80 gallon tank. I took out the power head recently only has the return pump on (rio1700), haven't turned on his light in a while only gets the light from a decently lit living room. I throw in his favorite blend of food he was eating before to just scoop it out with the net because he doesn't touch it and there's like 20 plus close to 30 ghost shrimp in there with him. Ghost shrimp was the only thing they had him eating at the lfs when I got him. Something I forgot to mention was about a week ago I did give him a 10 minute fresh water dip.. i didn't really see anything in the water. ..And also on Tuesday I dropped tetracycline in his tank as a local reefer said maybe he still has something internally.

[manny532]

This is the most I've seen him move around with the exception of when he looked as if he was having a seizure. He's not swimming right. Almost as if his balance is out of wack. Thoughts? Also the water color is due to the tetracycline.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe6pqtqgel8gt2l/20150516_130021.mp4?dl=0

[manny532]

After more research I've come to the conclusion of swim bladder disease / possible constipation. I don't dare sticking him with a needle to relieve gas/air but I dosed his tank with epsom salt. 80 gallon tank with roughly 10 gallon wet dry I put 10 table spoons. Any thoughts or ideas that may help are greatly appreciated. ::fingers crossed::

[humaguy]

hey many,

what is in the water now? any prime, prazi, or copper?
they like it cool, where is the temp?
have you tried fresh clam lately?

sorry I am late to this...

tk

[manny532]

I've tried clam on the half shell... Nothing. Temp is 75 and in the water only very very low copper and tetracycline. Better late than never.

[manny532]

Oh and yesterday I put epsom salt

[manny532]

hey many,

what is in the water now? any prime, prazi, or copper?
they like it cool, where is the temp?
have you tried fresh clam lately?

sorry I am late to this...

tk
Last night he actually started doing his crazy swimming thing again, sideways, upside down twirling on his nose facing the bottom of the tank, splashing water etc. I pulled him out rubbed his belly for about 5 minutes while holding him right on the water line. When I let him go he was much more calm and he slowly went back to the bottom of the tank and wedged himself between the pvc

[manny532]

This is similar to what my trigger was doing last night and a few nights ago
https://youtu.be/cn28fJJ-zK8

[manny532]

As much as i didn't want to do it i did it. Now only time will tell.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vf4zog8juieqr59/DSC_0765.MOV?dl=0

[nuxx]

This is the most I've seen him move around with the exception of when he looked as if he was having a seizure. He's not swimming right. Almost as if his balance is out of wack. Thoughts? Also the water color is due to the tetracycline.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe6pqtqgel8gt2l/20150516_130021.mp4?dl=0

Kudos!

How is he doing?

[manny532]

Kudos!

How is he doing?
Thank you. As soon as i released him he did some twirling and wedged himself between the back glass and pvc. He was breathing a little hard though which I would assume is normal. I just went to check up on him and his breathing is back to normal. ::keeping fingers crossed::

[nuxx]

Thank you. As soon as i released him he did some twirling and wedged himself between the back glass and pvc. He was breathing a little hard though which I would assume is normal. I just went to check up on him and his breathing is back to normal. ::keeping fingers crossed::

Best of luck, us and our Crosshatch Pair will keep him in our minds :)

[manny532]

Best of luck, us and our Crosshatch Pair will keep him in our minds :)
Aww, thank you. Hopefully full recovery soon.

[manny532]

Tried force feeding with syringe today and failed miserably. Once he went in the water he spit everything out. I'm just going to let him be now. Really don't know what else to do.

[manny532]

Rip....

[nuxx]

Rip....

Oh wow Manny I'm so sorry :(

[manny532]

Oh wow Manny I'm so sorry :(
Thanks.. i looked back on some text history where I talked to my friend about this. My trigger had stopped eating for about two weeks, the message where I told my friend about that was dated March 22nd. This guy went roughly 10 weeks no food. Maybe on the next tank I'll try again but that won't be for a long time.

[nuxx]

Thanks.. i looked back on some text history where I talked to my friend about this. My trigger had stopped eating for about two weeks, the message where I told my friend about that was dated March 22nd. This guy went roughly 10 weeks no food. Maybe on the next tank I'll try again but that won't be for a long time.

Very strange behavior.

Our two Crosshatches are just pigs. They're weird fish, but never skip a meal... actually I'm stunned by how fast they can cover a 10 foot tank when I walk up to it... they think they're being fed and dart across the tank. Seriously if you blink you'd miss them.

They're also first to the nori clip...

[manny532]

Mine never touched nori nor pellets. Only my special blend of food I'd prepare and on occasion ghost shrimp. Once I sneaked nori in his food, he spit it out and quit eating for 3 weeks

[RDtrack]

Sorry for your loss. I know when I've lost fish in the past you rack your brain for what you did wrong. I think reading this post you did more than others for your guy.

Nature unfortunately is nature.

[manny532]

Sorry for your loss. I know when I've lost fish in the past you rack your brain for what you did wrong. I think reading this post you did more than others for your guy.

Nature unfortunately is nature.
Thank you. .. I'm still trying to accept it though. .. Maybe if I'd caught on about flukes sooner and treated sooner, maybe if I would have learned about swim bladder sooner and did something sooner about it he might have made it.

[humaguy]

Sorry Manny...

Next time, try and get a smaller one from Rufus.
Large males typically don't ship well and it can be tough getting them to eat.

It never feels good but we have all been there.

Don't give up!

Ted

[manny532]

Sorry Manny...

Next time, try and get a smaller one from Rufus.
Large males typically don't ship well and it can be tough getting them to eat.

It never feels good but we have all been there.

Don't give up!

Ted
Thanks. . As much as I said never again but geez I miss him. I think a small pair maybe later on when I have the funds and a bigger tank