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sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:09 PM
My house was built in the 40s and my living room still has the original floor I have been through hell finding a level spot in the room... i finally found one and guess what.... the stand is not level (bought used) without water in the tank there are gaps on the front right corner. I placed a piece of finished y wood under the tank and am placing shims between the ply wood and the stand... is this acceptable? Or is their a better way?
FYI this is an upgrade from a 46g to a 125g.... i have all my coral amd fish literally sitting in a temp tank in the middle of the floor...

Acrononomus
07/11/2015, 07:11 PM
Do u have a picture, if possible u always wanna put the shims under the stand directly, is it a steel stand or wood? Also on my new tank from miracles they recommended foam as it helps self lever the tank..., so u would have a sheet of plywood the. Some 1/2 or greater foam on top, how far out of level is it?

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:15 PM
The stand in conjuction the the floor is perfectly level but the top of the stand is not level. I can try to get a pic uploaded. I have read that you should not put foam under a tank with a rim but idk.

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:17 PM
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sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:23 PM
I took all the shims out so you could see the gap.


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/sublime9182/Mobile%20Uploads/1436664231739_zpskgkthmms.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/sublime9182/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1436664231739_zpskgkthmms.jpg.html)

davocean
07/11/2015, 07:26 PM
OK pull back some on pics so we really know what we are looking at.
Is that ply on top of your stand?
Did you shim right there where tank meets ply/stand?
That would be a no no if so.
Shim at floor under stand only.
Almost no home is perfectly level, new or old, and almost all of us have to shim.
As long as your stand is sound it should be no problem.

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:34 PM
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The tank is level but there is a gap between the tank and stand I can take a pic from farther back but you can't see the gap when I do. I'm sure when I fill it it all the corners will touch but I am concerned about the tank "twisting". The above picture is a 6 foot level on top of the tank

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:37 PM
And yes I put ply wood between the tank and stand to try to narrow the gaps basically I bout a jacked up stand and the top of it is not level but I HAVE to get a solution tonight because of this.....
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/sublime9182/Mobile%20Uploads/1436665200983_zps2ewtx1ff.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/sublime9182/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1436665200983_zps2ewtx1ff.jpg.html)

ericarenee
07/11/2015, 07:46 PM
It looks to me to be fine as you have it.. Just be sure the ply wood is supported all around and does not rock or move... you could put some leveling grout under the plywood between the shims... but I Would trust just the shims myself.....


BUT Dave is correct to say shim the Stand to floor if you can.... I know on our acrylic tank stand we did exactly as you did as you cant shim the acrylic at the floor because of how its made...

davocean
07/11/2015, 07:48 PM
Hmm, well I get it and been there but this fix is not one I'd rush, that looks unsightly now, but could be worse.
You need to correct that top.
I would not place ply on top and shim to tank, it could be bigger trouble than what you have right now.
A trimmed tank only really needs support at 4 corners if that helps.
Foam will not do anything much for you on this, and that usually for trimless tanks that need full bottom support.

ericarenee
07/11/2015, 07:52 PM
You are shimming under the plywood all the way around the rim of the tank right.. then laying the plywood on top not putting shims on top the plywood to tank?

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 07:55 PM
What if I ripped off the top of the stand and replaced it with new ply wood? Is this an option?

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 08:04 PM
You are shimming under the plywood all the way around the rim of the tank right.. then laying the plywood on top not putting shims on top the plywood to tank?

Yes shims between ply and stand the shims never touch the tank.

At this point I am considering replacing the top of the stand any suggestions on that?

ericarenee
07/11/2015, 08:15 PM
Yes shims between ply and stand the shims never touch the tank.

At this point I am considering replacing the top of the stand any suggestions on that?

from not seeing the top in good details there is no way i can say for sure how to rebuild it. If the stand is level and plumb but the top is not makes me wonder if its always been that way. from the images it looks like you are about 3/8 out of level. as long as its not twisted or warped this will not harm the tank. but i would NOT Use it without shimming of course.. we have a 72 gal tank shimmed just as you are doing and its been up for a year. Our 7 x 2.5 foot Reef tank is Perfectly level on its built into the wall stand. You can see it on my profile pic.
Just make sure the top of the stand is not out of level because of some loose framing or something..

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 08:28 PM
3/8th out of level? I'm so confused lol the pic of the level am I supposed to read the bottom one? I'm so confused and this upgrade has turned into a nightmare of epic proportions.

ericarenee
07/11/2015, 08:33 PM
3/8th out of level? I'm so confused lol the pic of the level am I supposed to read the bottom one? I'm so confused and this upgrade has turned into a nightmare of epic proportions.

i looked at your post 7 and re read it.. So what you are saying is the tank sitting on the stand is level But in some places the tank is not touching the stand..?

You the plywood and shims as your above pics and you will be fine.... i got the 3/8 by looking at the shims above.

its not that complicated as its being made out in this thread.. If you have a solid level piece of plywood for the tank to sit in shimmed so it will not settle. then your fine...

sublime9182
07/11/2015, 08:39 PM
Yes exactly!!! I will continue with what I was doing. Is a shim every 2 inches sufficent?

ericarenee
07/11/2015, 08:54 PM
Yes exactly!!! I will continue with what I was doing. Is a shim every 2 inches sufficent?

i was actually going to say every 6 inches and 6 inches solid around each corner. and be sure they are under the area where the center brace is on the tank or both if there is two on bottom ,
If you go every two inches or so just make sure there is big high and low spots. There is also some give in the plastic as its held on with silicone

daveM100
07/11/2015, 09:29 PM
Is it only one corner thats out of wack?

igadget56
07/12/2015, 01:00 AM
Shim that corner and a couple inches out from the corner you will be fine. What you have is a twisted top.

SnowManSnow
07/12/2015, 04:56 PM
IMO get a stand that has a flat top, or rebuild what you have. You don't want thousands of $ of animals in there and constantly be wandering if a seam is going to pop bc you wanted to use an unlevel stand