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kross
07/13/2015, 06:34 AM
I am writing this so others can read and hopefully learn from my mistake. After an extended vacation 7 days, first trip in 6 years my tank crashed due to a sump that broke and an ATO doing its job so well. I lost 85% of the content of my tank(Coral dead, roch , a smelly mess when I got home. I knew when I landed and the phone was turned on I was in trouble alerts from the tank 36hours in the making. I had a friend that was supposed to check in on the tank alas they did not. Three lessons learned, first program the ATO not just to float switches but overall salinity of the tank. Second even if friend say they are checking on the tank expect they will not. Third, my leak detectors were installed for the tank, I never thought about installing them in the basement where the sump was.

I was going to pack it up to someone telling me it time to stop the hobby, but after reading the forums and how people who recover from crashes can have even better tanks then before and the pictures within these forums, call me crazy but I love the challenge, I decided to try again.

I have to say thanks to Richard, who answered all my questions without ever knowing if I was going to order with professionalism even when I said one last question 5 email ago.

I placed the order on Saturday 7/11/2015, Richard answered back within 30 minutes asking when you would like the 1st shipment? I answered back that

I needed some additional time to clean up the living room due to the crash, and decided on Monday the 7/13/2015 after work. Richard answered back stating confirmed and expect to hear about more info on Monday.

I ordered the 80 Gallon package with 40 lbs of additional sand for a 125 gallon tank. I was looking for approx. at least a 1.3lbs per gallon rock ratio. I like space in my tank to allow the coral and fish to swim around and not a large rock wall. After talking to Richard, he told me if I needed more rock I can just order it and deliver it as part 2 of the package.

This morning readings are my ORP is 330, my Ammonia, Nitrates are 0, PH is 8.23 and the temperature of the tank is approx. 77.5 awaiting the contents of package 1 in less than 12 hours

kross
07/13/2015, 06:37 AM
Updated from Richard, 320 Lbs 7 Boxes, from Tampa with a Departure at 9:00am, with an arrival of 1:40pm. Guess I will be leaving work early today :)

kross
07/13/2015, 02:15 PM
7 Boxes arrived without any issues. South West was great, they called me when they arrived inside the warehouse, and even assisted me getting them into my car. Was able to pull right to the loading dock. Great experience!!

The weight was approx. 320 lbs between two zones was less then 300 bucks in shipping.

kross
07/13/2015, 02:19 PM
7 Boxes being prepared next to the tank. Need to lay some plastic down, the cat seems to be not to concerned what in the boxes.

kross
07/13/2015, 05:31 PM
After deep inspection of the rocks, no bad crabs that we could tell. Saw 5-6 Porcelain crabs but no Gorilla crabs (at the moment), none were in the bottom of the boxes either. Boy did I hunt for them, I suspended the rocks for at least 4-5 minutes each in the tank with a flashlight looking in the holes of the rock to see if I saw any movement.

Looks like one Orange Star fish was inside one of the rocks, quite a bit of life within the rocks. I did not arrange the rocks but placed them to allow the water the clear. I saw two different urchins. A Black Spine one and a Brown one. I saw a few crabs, a few snails.

Overall the rock is full of life, no complaints, the one rock I like the most has a hole right in the middle which I will have to make sure I place it somewhere where the hole can be seen.

The return pumps are the only pumps now running, the Mp40 are off and the Skimmer per the instructions.

I will clean up the glass, arrange the rock and get some nice closes up once the water clears up.

Tank before Anything was added (Just water)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70736

First Box being Opened of Sand (Great packaging job, everything was two or three bags, and a thick plastic well sealed)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70722

Sand being added to the Tank
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70725

A Bit Cloudy after the Sand (Approx 1 Inch Sand bed)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70726

kross
07/13/2015, 05:39 PM
Rocks now are being added, overall full of life, no issues.

Again all the rock came in 3 or 4 layers worth of bagging, most of the rock was submerged in the water.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70727


The coolest rock it looks like a small volcano, I have yet to aquascape I was just getting them in the water after inspecting them thoroughly while dangling it in the tank. (Sorry about the glass being dirty will clean it up :))

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70732

The rock above the date was full of plant life, it was upside down in the box so when I overturned it I was surprised on just how much plant life was on it. (will get a good close up once the water and lights can be on)

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70730


The largest of the rocks, full small tubes on the side of them. Never saw so many clumped together.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70734

Overall just sitting them on the bottom of the tank will arrange them tonight after the cloudiness wears off.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70728

This was approx 1/2 of the rock shipment in Package 1.

kross
07/13/2015, 05:41 PM
A few pictures of the hitchhiker we did see:

The one when we opened the bag of sand:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70723

The One urchin we did see, the other was a black one attached to the rock. Could not get a good picture of it but will.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70724

CuzzA
07/13/2015, 06:00 PM
Looks good man. Looking forward to seeing some clean pics. Sounds like you got some nice hitchhikers too.

kross
07/13/2015, 07:52 PM
With a flashlight, I see a few small crabs to tiny to ID at this time on the rocks. I am seeing Dusters beginning to appear over the rock, and a few snails are now out and about, along with a few other crabs (To small to even ID) that I did not see before. No popping at this time that I can tell.

I will get some closes up with the rocks tomorrow. Under a flashlight and blue lunar lights I have placed the best side out and will arrange them when the water has cleared up.

I did a quick water test and both my nitrates and ammonia are showing an increase from what they were when I started 0, but only slight color change on red sea kits.

kross
07/14/2015, 04:40 AM
Woke up this morning and Richard was 100% correct the water is crystal clear. I had to change out my filter socks, and the skimmers are running without any issues. The MP are still off and will turn them on tonight, after I arrange the rock. Did not finish everything until after 11:00pm.

Morning with the Tank
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70738

Tank Paramters (One on the Left was last night at 9:30PM the one on the right is this morning before work at 5:30am.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70739

ORP is re-rising was in the low 270 and now is almost back to 300 and the PH is back to 8.12 this morning.

liverock
07/14/2015, 07:31 AM
Good job Kross.....and by this time next week...part two of the Package!

Sea ya
Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com :dance:

kross
07/14/2015, 08:58 PM
With the evening water test out of the way, we have now have Ammonia at 1.0 from .25 and Nitrates are now at 2 from .5. To play it safe I did a 25 gallon water change tonight to keep Ammonia and Nitrates in check. The Mp40 are now back online, adjusted on the tank.

Package one rock approx 80 lbs of the 160 has been arranged. (Subject to change when package 2 arrives)

This Hitchhiker is the king of the world right now in the tank. I do have 3 now I have seen. 2 this color and 1 black one.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70760


This rock is full of life, a large orange sponge is attached to the side of it, with some beautiful red macro algae throughout it.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70761

kross
07/15/2015, 05:54 AM
With this morning water test out of the way the Ammonia is down to .5 and the Nitrates are between .75 and 1. Everything seems well acclimated in the tank, the urchins are moving fine, the few snails and crabs that were in the package are moving around the tank without any issues.

kross
07/15/2015, 07:08 PM
Minimal change in Nitrates and Ammonia, no water change needed.

kross
07/16/2015, 03:48 AM
Good Morning Everyone:

This morning water test out of the way the Ammonia is between .25 and .5 and the Nitrates are between 1 and 2. So far no issues.

CuzzA
07/16/2015, 05:07 AM
If you're using an API ammonia test I've found they almost always appear to show .25 NH3 however double checking with a second source shows zero. Just something to keep in mind.

kross
07/16/2015, 04:24 PM
Thank you for that information. I will pick up a red sea tomorrow and test with that also. I seem to be steady between now at .25. My Nitrates are also between 1 and 2 with this evening test.

kross
07/17/2015, 06:14 AM
Day 4 Morning Update

This morning water test shows that the Ammonia is between .25 and .5 but looks very close to .25 (Tonight I will get the Red sea test kit) and the Nitrates are now down to 1.0. Tank looks healthy, and no issues to report.

As you all have read this was all being done ater my tank crashed, but a few things did surive the crash. (Tuff little Guys & Gals) some snails crabs and three fish (Clown, Salfin Tang, and a Neon Goby) did surive the ordeal, after talking to Richard we will be adding them back to the tank this weekend before package 2. They are all in a tuperware container in the middle of my living room with an air stone, heater, skimmer which I also been testing daily against.

kross
07/17/2015, 04:09 PM
Hey everyone my nitrates are now below 1 and Amonomia is also below .25. No issues to report.

liverock
07/17/2015, 05:11 PM
Hey everyone my nitrates are now below 1 and Amonomia is also below .25. No issues to report.

Welcome to real live rock and sand...makes setting up a tank painless!

and you are less than a week into the tank set up....soon part two!

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com :spin1::spin1::spin1:

kross
07/18/2015, 06:10 AM
Good Morning,

Woke up this morning to do my test, and my Ammonia and Nitrates were both up. My Ammonia was .25 and is now 1.0 - 1.25 and my Nitrates back up to a little bit over 1.0. The only thing I did last night after the test last night was replace my filter socks (They were dirty) with new ones. Even thou it was not to I did a small water change.

I am off to the fish store to get my red sea kit they said it is in, and will also bring a sample to them also.

CuzzA
07/18/2015, 06:14 AM
I'd be willing to bet the more acurate Red Sea test shows zero.

kross
07/18/2015, 11:41 AM
Home from the local fish store. I brought enough water to have us both test.
They tested and I also tested with the Red Sea.

PH - 8.2
KH - 9
Density 1.022
Ammonia - (Red Sea Almost 0 (Cuzza on the money, API Less THEN .25)
Nitrite (Both test kits came in at 0)
Nitrate (API 10, Red Sea .5)
Phosphate - (.2)
Calcium (API 340 Red Sea 360)

They said they would like to see the Density brought up, and the phosphate brought down otherwise the tank parameters are good.

kross
07/18/2015, 06:11 PM
Ammonia is or at 0 and Nitrite are at 0 , and Nitrates are at below 10 for tonight test. Looks like we are getting one day closer for package 2.

Tank is at 77.2
PH is 8.2
ORP is 300 (Been going up since we started this)

kross
07/19/2015, 05:01 AM
Good Morning Everyone, both Ammonia & Nitrate is or are very close to 0.

kross
07/19/2015, 05:09 PM
Evening everyone,

Both Ammonia & Nitrate is or are sill very close to 0.

kross
07/20/2015, 04:13 AM
Good morning,

As you may have guessed Ammonia is at 0 and Nitrate still very close to 0.

kross
07/21/2015, 12:39 AM
The plane arrived at 5:25 after work, package in my hands by 5:50 and home by 7:00pm it now 2:30 am in the morning and I had to post, I know many been reading this thread and I hope this is what everyone been waiting to see what is in package two.

I will just come out and saw WOW, the content of the boxes were nothing I imagined full of life. Richard out did himself when he said you would be impressed and needless to say I was blow away.

I will take more pictures tomorrow (Very tired), but I added the other 80 lbs of rock except for two pieces for the life of me I could not get the little crabs off these two rocks, so I decided to put them in my quarantine system.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70848

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70849

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70850

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70851

(Love to know what the purple entity is next to the orange sponge very cool looking)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70852

Stunning :hmm1:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70853

A few types of sponges
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70854

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70855

This shipment of Rock had so much life!!
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70856

kross
07/21/2015, 12:45 AM
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70857

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70858

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70860

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70861

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70862

I will post more tomorrow, if there is something specific you want me to take a picture off or a movie let me know. (getting some sleep)

Again, thank you Richard, outstanding very impressed!!!

liverock
07/21/2015, 05:43 AM
Good job bud!

I knew you were going to have a long night.... playing reefer....lol

And to think, has only been a week since part one of the Package went in and now you have a full blown reef tank..real live rock and sand makes it pretty painless to set up a reef tank and you don't have to deal with all the curing...waiting....water changes....that conventional 'live' rock presents.

Nice to see your tank come back from the dead and into the light!:dance:

Hope you got some sleep before work today..lol....

Keep us posted

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com :rollface::rollface::rollface:

kross
07/21/2015, 06:25 AM
Richard, could have not done it without your help. Your guidance throughout the entire process was essential on the success of this.

By the time I cleaned up went to bed it was almost 4:00am and was up at 6:00am for work. (Whooohoooo)

This morning test shows Ammonia at a trace, Nitrates at a trace.

A few questions for anyone and everyone:

1- Flow on the tank. As you can see I have two MP40, one left and one right of the tank. One towards the back the other towards the front, and one Mp10 also on the left hand side. Do I need to be concern now on the back wall? I never had this much rock in the tank before? I also had to turn them all down by 10% it seem to move the coral around. (They never now get above a total intensity of 60 on either side)

2- Lighting, I am never going up 70%. It increases up to 70% overall intensity, will this be to bright?

3- I had one heck of a time seeing the crabs, tiny buggers they were, and I am not 100% sure I got them all out. I could not even tell if they were bad, because they were so dam tiny. If some get in, which I am expecting what is the best war to eradicate them.

4- Should I move anything to be more shade them light based on what was provided?

I will post some more closes ups so people can see the rock, some of the pictures above do not capture the life I am seeing, it was a challenge to decide just what should be facing the front of the tank.

liverock
07/21/2015, 06:42 AM
Richard, could have not done it without your help. Your guidance throughout the entire process was essential on the success of this.

It was your perseverance that made this work after coming back from overseas and finding your tank had crashed to a toxic soup mess. Takes gumption to start over!

By the time I cleaned up went to bed it was almost 4:00am and was up at 6:00am for work. (Whooohoooo)

I hope you drink coffee lol

This morning test shows Ammonia at a trace, Nitrates at a trace.

You may get a small ammonia bump for a couple of days....but that is normal after part two goes in.

A few questions for anyone and everyone:

1- Flow on the tank. As you can see I have two MP40, one left and one right of the tank. One towards the back the other towards the front, and one Mp10 also on the left hand side. Do I need to be concern now on the back wall? I never had this much rock in the tank before? I also had to turn them all down by 10% it seem to move the coral around. (They never now get above a total intensity of 60 on either side)

You have great flow.....will be sufficient.....the lights?...just watch you tanks inhabitants and see how the are doing.....the Gulf can be a dark place or a clear place, so the rock and critters can take both with no issues.

2- Lighting, I am never going up 70%. It increases up to 70% overall intensity, will this be to bright?

go slow....

3- I had one heck of a time seeing the crabs, tiny buggers they were, and I am not 100% sure I got them all out. I could not even tell if they were bad, because they were so dam tiny. If some get in, which I am expecting what is the best war to eradicate them.

Crabs....easy peasy.....folks freak about them, but if you see one just reach and and grab him...or the rock they are on and remove...or a piece of raw shrimp up by the glass and when they come for lunch, nab him...

There are good crabs too...so use the list here to differentiate http://tbsaltwater.com/thepackage/organisms.html

4- Should I move anything to be more shade them light based on what was provided?

nope...looks good...

I will post some more closes ups so people can see the rock, some of the pictures above do not capture the life I am seeing, it was a challenge to decide just what should be facing the front of the tank.

time will tell on that...you will be scaping some more...everybody does LOL...

Keep us posted!
Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com

CuzzA
07/21/2015, 06:44 AM
Looks great. To answer your questions...

The sponges will do best in the shade with medium to high flow. They do not have the ability to shed off algae and algae will suffocate them. The gorgonian appears to be photosynthetic and should put be put in direct light. It's also a good idea to feed the gorg occasionally with a properly sized food that the polyps can capture. While they can survive on light alone, I found they do much better if fed and contrary to popular belief photosynthetic gorgs do eat. Google scholar will yield studies about the digestive content of photosynthetic gorgs.

As for flow, I like to have enough that nothing settles on the sand bed. Basically enough flow that my sand is on the brink of being pushed around, but stays put. If you find corals, sponges, etc. are being blown over you can secure the sponges and gorgs to some rock rubble with a rubberband or super glue the corals down.

Using percentages alone on LED lighting won't work. Either you use a par meter or adjust the intensity depending on how the corals respond. Obviously bleaching and lack of growth means too much light and browning and lack of growth means too little. It can take a while to find the sweet spot. It also depends on what type of corals you intend on keeping.

Hope this helps. Looks great. Instant reef! ;)

liverock
07/21/2015, 06:52 AM
what he said^^^ LOL...

also...there were some nice corals growing on some of the rocks...make sure they see the light...

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com:spin3::spin3::spin3:

kross
07/21/2015, 07:26 AM
Thanks, let thier be light will be no issue.

I currently use 7 Profiles based on the season table of the Apex controller to give a sunrise, morning, mid morning, noon, afternoon, evening, sundown. Noon being the brightest at 70% which I turned down for now at 60%.

The Mp40's and the Mp10 are tied also to the season table for the illusion of the tide coming in and out, with a period of calm in the tank.

I will see about getting a Par meter from the fish store (rent one).

Do you recommend one food over another for the gorgonian?

Thanks

gman 01234
07/21/2015, 07:26 AM
looks awesome man cant wait till I order mine from Richard on the 31st.. hoping to have the best reef in Wyoming .

CuzzA
07/21/2015, 07:52 AM
Do you recommend one food over another for the gorgonian?

Thanks

No problem. You want to try to match a food size to the size of the polyps. For my gorgs I use Oyster Feast, Cyclopeez, Phytoplankton. Artemia is a good choice too.

kross
07/21/2015, 10:03 AM
looks awesome man cant wait till I order mine from Richard on the 31st.. hoping to have the best reef in Wyoming .

Thank you Gman!! You will be stunned at the quality and life!!! Easy, no issues follow the instructions and in 10 days or less your tank will look just like mine.

kross
07/22/2015, 06:09 AM
Sorry for not posting sooner, I was exhausted I did my test and went to bed.

Ammonia spiked up to between .5 and .75 and Nitrates were creeping to 1.

This was expected since we just added another 80lbs of live rock to the system.

kross
07/22/2015, 06:13 AM
Good Morning Everyone,

Ammonia is down to less then .25 and Nitrates are now dropping to less then .25. Tank looks healthy, I did feed it for the first time last night. I also ordered a LPAR so I can take light readings after visiting the fish store and being told they do not rent them out.

No issues to report, no popping nice. My plan is to transfer the remaining of my content (Fish/Snails etc) from my Tupperware temporary holding tank back to the tank this weekend. The other two pieces of life rock that did not make it to the display tank will remain in the Isolation tank for now on. I have one small piece that that also has the same crabs on it, and baby starfish. I plan to take a picture and post to see if someone here can help p me ID the little buggers.

CuzzA
07/22/2015, 06:25 AM
Richard can confirm this, but I believe there are 4 common hitchhiker crabs. Porcelain, Emerald, Stone and Gorilla. The latter two are primarily the ones that need to be observed for potential issues. Some people report no issues, while others report problems and therefore need to be removed from the system.

Ultimately, there is no guarantee with most marine creatures. For example, Yellow tangs in my experience are borderline reef safe. In fact they really should be characterized as with caution as they have a tendency to pick at clams, soft corals and LPS. Not to the point of trying to eat them, but they pick. However, I did have an aggressive juvenile yellow tang destroy a Maxima clam on me. That fish went straight back to the LFS, cursing it the whole ride there.

liverock
07/22/2015, 06:33 AM
Richard can confirm this, but I believe there are 4 common hitchhiker crabs. Porcelain, Emerald, Stone and Gorilla. The latter two are primarily the ones that need to be observed for potential issues. Some people report no issues, while others report problems and therefore need to be removed from the system.

Ultimately, there is no guarantee with most marine creatures. For example, Yellow tangs in my experience are borderline reef safe. In fact they really should be characterized as with caution as they have a tendency to pick at clams, soft corals and LPS. Not to the point of trying to eat them, but they pick. However, I did have an aggressive juvenile yellow tang destroy a Maxima clam on me. That fish went straight back to the LFS, cursing it the whole ride there.


My stance on crabs is...if you see them doing something you don't like...relocation...porcelain crabs are the most docile of all...there are a few others....also...
Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com

gman 01234
07/22/2015, 06:57 AM
Hey Kross , what are you using for lighting??? if I may ask

kross
07/22/2015, 10:48 AM
Hey Kross , what are you using for lighting??? if I may ask

They are Radion pro XR30w PRO LED lighting on the left and right the middle is a XR15w. They are all tied to my Apex controller which is tied to the season table, so sun rises and set based on the season table. I adjusted the Season table to be based on the coral origin. I currently use Sun Rise, Morning, Mid Morning, Noon, Afternoon, Evening, Sunset profiles so it gives a nice transition throughout the day. I also have clouds, storms tied to it also, on a random interval.

gman 01234
07/22/2015, 05:32 PM
man that is cool hope to have something like that someday

kross
07/22/2015, 07:04 PM
Ammonia is around .25 and Nitrates are at .50. Tank looks healthy monitoring the activity shows no issues at this time.

kross
07/23/2015, 05:41 AM
Great news Amonia is still below .25 and Nitrates continue to drop.

Now I think I heard today popping. Having a hell of time thou determining if I did or it just water through my overflow. I do not see any dead snails or crabs in the tank.

Plan to post some updated pictures this weekend also.

kross
07/24/2015, 07:34 AM
Ammonia and Nitrate look good, but notice something today so I thought I would post. It seems one of my Sea Cucumber molted? It covered one of the Corals, is this something I should worry about?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70916

liverock
07/24/2015, 07:42 AM
Ammonia and Nitrate look good, but notice something today so I thought I would post. It seems one of my Sea Cucumber molted? It covered one of the Corals, is this something I should worry about?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=10191&pictureid=70916

they do that occasionally...normal stuff..shedding........but if a cuke is on the way out ...it starts with a small white spot on them...it slowly grows...turns to white looking snot stuff .......and they melt.

Cukes will also sometimes spit their guts, but recover from that all the time.

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com :spin1::spin1::spin1:

kross
07/24/2015, 07:52 AM
Thank you Richard!!

gman 01234
07/24/2015, 10:47 AM
hey kross any more popping sounds??

kross
07/24/2015, 07:50 PM
hey kross any more popping sounds??

No, and all my crabs, snails are humming along. I know i heard a pop but it was only like one ever 5 minutes. I did not have my overflow covers on at the time but it was hard to determine where it was. I am still watching and listening for it.

I am going to be taking some pictures of some crabs soon. They do not have black claws so I know they are not gorilla but not sure what they are.


I did a 15 Gallon water change today, my Ammonia was at 0 but my Nitrates were at almost 1.5.

gman 01234
07/25/2015, 08:30 AM
cant wait to see your picks kross... I am finishing my cabinet stand today and placing my order with Richard on Friday for the package

kross
09/09/2015, 07:24 PM
Status Update:

The tank is doing very well, I had a small green algae problem but have it back under control. I do have a MANTIS SHRIMP running around. I saw it for the first time tonight about 2 inches long , purple. He actually came out when I was feeding the fish, I gave him a piece of shrimp grabbed it and ran back into a rock.

I also have a pistol shrimp who is spitting out tunnels all over the place not really bothering anyone, I also leave shrimp every other day at the tunnels and he pulls it in.

My question is on the Mantis do I need to worry about it, get it out now? I was going to try the mantis trap but wanted other people's take. He not bothering the fish, or the star fish, the urchins, or my gobie. I have seen a reduction in my crabs which I can just order more but wanted other people take on this.

I was very surprised to see it come out in full daylight.

I will take some new pictures also.

12_egg_Omelett
09/10/2015, 01:59 PM
Is the mantis one of those super colorful ones?

kross
09/10/2015, 03:20 PM
Yes, I can grab a picture and post it tomorrow just read both positive and negative reviews about having them and wanted to see what other people have done. I fed it again tonight came out at feeding time gave it a piece of krill and it scurried back into the same hole as last night.