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karimwassef
09/29/2015, 10:35 PM
I had one a decade ago, but that was a lifetime ago.

I miss it, but it looks like they're not available any more. Anyone know where I may still find one? even a little one?

icy1155
09/30/2015, 07:05 AM
As far as I know there haven't been any brought into the country in years, and no talk of it happening again any time soon.

Giovanni
09/30/2015, 06:37 PM
You are more likely to find a very large one FS then a small one. I saw one this summer at a LFS in Tampa that was about to out grow it's tank. Probably will not be FS though.

karimwassef
09/30/2015, 09:03 PM
I've seen them in people's tanks, public aquariums and LFS. None for sale.

joshky
10/02/2015, 07:22 PM
If you find one it will be very expensive. I have seen a few pop up but they were large and the owners would not ship for obvious reasons, all in the four digits.

karimwassef
10/02/2015, 08:11 PM
Why isn't it being cultured? Even small ones?

I'm all for protecting the wild population, but with enough captive, there should be an aquaculture program.

Breadman03
10/03/2015, 06:21 AM
Why isn't it being cultured? Even small ones?


Breedstock sized specimens are very large and difficult to handle. Combine that with a small market and the dollars just don't add up well enough for companies to tie up their finances with it, hence why they are no longer available.

karimwassef
10/03/2015, 08:08 AM
Really? I remember as a kid that they were farmed for food? Maybe I'm mixing it up.

ca1ore
10/04/2015, 08:56 AM
I've seen them in people's tanks, public aquariums and LFS. None for sale.

They do occasionally pop up for sale, but always in the 18-24" range and absurdly priced. Makes sense size wise, because it's been around 8 years since any were imported, and those that have survived would be that large.

karimwassef
10/04/2015, 11:34 AM
I'd think a coop should be formed to create a breeding population. At market prices, the demand should be there, even for very high priced 1" babies

ca1ore
10/04/2015, 12:58 PM
I'd imagine if Gigas were economically viable to farm, the existing facilities would still be raising them. Extremely limited addressable market I'd think.

karimwassef
10/04/2015, 01:05 PM
That assumes the farmers are good at reading the market.

I remember when all coral purchased was wild and the idea of farming was exotic and the argument was that if it was economically feasible, someone would have done it already...

:D

Anyway - I get it. Such a shame though. I actually think that our tanks with aquacultured life are like a massively distributed and redundant seed repository for the reefs. We're spending time and resources for their upkeep and in case of natural disaster, I know that we would give back to repopulate destroyed wild reefs. We're the safety net.

DrDNA
10/06/2015, 03:37 PM
Why is there no importation of small wild ones?

m0nkie
10/06/2015, 03:45 PM
there was one on sale on another forum (name won't show up here). I think it was on sale for $3000. I posted it here but no one bought it.. I remember seeing the seller bump his for sale thread again last month..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2492098

billsreef
10/06/2015, 03:46 PM
Really? I remember as a kid that they were farmed for food? Maybe I'm mixing it up.
They worth more grown out to market size as food. Doesn't pay to sell them small to aquarists.
That assumes the farmers are good at reading the market.

I remember when all coral purchased was wild and the idea of farming was exotic and the argument was that if it was economically feasible, someone would have done it already...

:D

Anyway - I get it. Such a shame though. I actually think that our tanks with aquacultured life are like a massively distributed and redundant seed repository for the reefs. We're spending time and resources for their upkeep and in case of natural disaster, I know that we would give back to repopulate destroyed wild reefs. We're the safety net.
They do read the market, more money in the sea food market for gigas.

billsreef
10/06/2015, 03:47 PM
Why is there no importation of small wild ones?
Endangered in the wild.

Breadman03
10/06/2015, 04:52 PM
Endangered in the wild.


I have to wonder if Acro Al's work in Australia might make it viable for a US based enthusiast to begin breeding them here.

Second, I wonder how much real estate would be needed to house enough breeding size clams to be (potentially) profitable.

DrDNA
10/06/2015, 05:01 PM
Interesting that they are worth more money as seafood... I know a few hobbyists that would pay a lot of money for a live one....

ca1ore
10/07/2015, 12:09 AM
Check out this video ....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AOKvZc_Fass

Appears to be from 2013. Not sure what the clams are 'intended' for - food, wild breeding stock, etc. - but clearly they don't congregate like that naturally. Don't see any small Gigas though.

GriffinMarsh
10/25/2015, 04:30 PM
I think I see more clams die in captivity than corals. It would take a special tank to house a gigas long term, a tank that the average aquarist couldn't produce. I also think it is more of a status symbol with most people wanting a gigas for the prestige than the opportunity to display those remarkable clams. Another organism catered more for public aquariums or high end stores to display them where they can be cared for by experts. Stick with derasa and squamosa IMO. They get plenty big for most residential tanks.

karimwassef
10/25/2015, 05:05 PM
I have a 660 gallon system.

GriffinMarsh
10/25/2015, 09:26 PM
Oh a 660 sure is the space to keep one. I hope you have a ton of open sand space ready if you come across one!

karimwassef
10/25/2015, 09:29 PM
All my sand bottom is open. I have a suspended rockspace that I can move from overhead.

GriffinMarsh
10/25/2015, 09:36 PM
Ok, now I hope you are lucky in finding one! And then post lots of pictures.

karimwassef
10/25/2015, 10:27 PM
thank you!

mcginnisandrew
10/29/2015, 12:51 AM
I was snorkeling on the great barrier reef several weeks ago and there were actually dozens of gigas clams (and Crocea) clams. I was not expecting to see so many gigas but there they were

karimwassef
10/29/2015, 01:58 AM
How big were they? I hope the population takes off again.

mcginnisandrew
11/01/2015, 01:15 AM
I'd say they were on average about a meter long or maybe a little less. Keep in mind the great barrier reef is a well managed marine protected area, and collecting has not been permitted there since at least 1975 i believe, which probably explains why they were (apparently) so abundant.

karimwassef
11/01/2015, 01:21 AM
That's great! I think if they come back in the wild, they can eventually be plentiful enough globally for everyone to enjoy again.

mcginnisandrew
11/01/2015, 05:59 AM
Hopefully! The T. Gigas listing on the IUCN red list website says it needs updating so it could be that its population is healthy already. Or maybe not. But even so, as others have said there are probably economic reasons for why it isn't available on the aquarium market

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/22137/0

ca1ore
11/04/2015, 09:21 PM
Most things seem to seesaw between being available and not available, so I'd imagine these will be seen in the hobby again at some point. Probably not at the $80 I paid for my last 6" specimen.

SS_Sean
11/08/2015, 05:23 PM
My local reef store lost his gigas this past summer. It about took out his whole 1500g system when it died. Really unfortunate. The clam was about 30" in my estimation. Super cool creature for the main DT... Those shells are worth a lot of money, also. If I recall correctly, he sold the shells for $800...

AquaTDV
11/08/2015, 08:16 PM
My local reef store lost his gigas this past summer. It about took out his whole 1500g system when it died. Really unfortunate. The clam was about 30" in my estimation. Super cool creature for the main DT... Those shells are worth a lot of money, also. If I recall correctly, he sold the shells for $800...

Do you know the story on why the Gigas died?

I have one that is 26" and I have spent more time than I would like to admit thinking about that same scenario, and what I would do if that happened. I have had other clams for over a decade just die on me for know apparent reason. While all other clams in the system appear to be healthy and happy.

karimwassef
11/09/2015, 04:03 AM
I'm curious too. Any details?

SS_Sean
11/09/2015, 06:52 AM
He didn't know why. He had the clam for many years and there were no known issues. He closed the shop up and came back two days later to a dead clam that had poisoned his system. That's a LOT of rotten meat. He's also a very reputable LFS, with many years of experience.

karimwassef
11/09/2015, 09:35 AM
A death that large should have triggered his ORP and pH readings. My Apex would have been buzzing and texting me like an angry wife!

I also have cameras that I use to watch the tank, sump, equipment, etc...

SS_Sean
11/09/2015, 09:08 PM
A death that large should have triggered his ORP and pH readings. My Apex would have been buzzing and texting me like an angry wife!

I also have cameras that I use to watch the tank, sump, equipment, etc...

Many systems don't run apex... ;)

ca1ore
11/09/2015, 09:46 PM
I knew at least tow people whose gigas grew so large that they could not be removed from the tank - both weight and inability to get past the tank cross struts. It becomes a real problem.

SS_Sean
11/10/2015, 12:24 AM
What happened?

Manu des iles
11/10/2015, 01:02 AM
I had one a decade ago, but that was a lifetime ago.

I miss it, but it looks like they're not available any more. Anyone know where I may still find one? even a little one?

When working in Palau in 2008, there was a state hatchery in which they raised T. gigas, derasa as well as the rare Hippoppus porcelanus. For local reef reseeding AND for trading. I guess they still exist and you may try to find a way to reach them.
A UW picture of one specimen of the broodstock in from of the hatchery

AquaTDV
11/10/2015, 08:46 AM
I knew at least tow people whose gigas grew so large that they could not be removed from the tank - both weight and inability to get past the tank cross struts. It becomes a real problem.

This is a very true statement. I am running into this same situation.

GriffinMarsh
11/10/2015, 09:15 AM
Requirement of extra equipment for gigas owners,

1. A small portable crane
2. A bigger, extra tank to put livestock in when the original tank needs to be smashed to get into.

ca1ore
11/10/2015, 01:08 PM
What happened?

One had the clam die due to a power loss from Hurricane Sandy; entire tank was toast so he de-articulated the two sides of the bivalve and removed it that way (a thoroughly gross task). The other one I have not spoken with the owner in a few years, so cannot say for sure. Last I saw the tank (a standard 180) the Gigas was pushing 30" in length. By now it must be 36" if still alive and well past the point of fitting past the cross strut. At 30" I recall him saying he figured it weighed over 100 pounds. My back hurts just thinking about that.

karimwassef
11/10/2015, 03:55 PM
They are not for the conventional home reef...

But if you have a setup that accommodates it (crane and all), ...

hart24601
11/12/2015, 08:39 PM
Renting an engine hoist might work! Sad you can't get gigas, but I would have to have one... In a custom tank so my wallet is glad they are not available.

joshky
11/14/2015, 09:39 AM
If I can ever a afford a 72x72x25, I might consider a gigas as a centerpiece. I don't think very many people should own them, so if they return the aquarium trade I hope the price is high enough to make people think/research before buying one.

montepora
11/14/2015, 04:23 PM
Had it for 8 years+ since it was 2" and Sandy took it............... Couldn't get gas for the generator at the time to upkeep the temp. When I was able to get gas, it was too late......

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r567/montepora2000/20151114_1818411_zpscqslyb2x.jpg (http://s1172.photobucket.com/user/montepora2000/media/20151114_1818411_zpscqslyb2x.jpg.html)

karimwassef
11/14/2015, 06:41 PM
:sad1:
:sad2:
:cry:

montepora
11/14/2015, 07:36 PM
No doubt. For comparison, the derasa was 11" in length...

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r567/montepora2000/IMAG0192_zpszsoakdsv.jpg (http://s1172.photobucket.com/user/montepora2000/media/IMAG0192_zpszsoakdsv.jpg.html)

Shredded
11/18/2015, 08:57 AM
I have one source that can get captive raised Gigas. I am waiting for my tank to be ready before I order mine. I want a Gigas and Squamosa for a focal point in the center of my 300 DD. When you look at the site, it will say out of stock. You simply place your order by phone and they will add it to their next order. Now, it's not like you get to pick, but it is available. Please PM me.
Jeff

Shredded
11/18/2015, 11:52 AM
OK, that was stupid on my part. I got slammed. lol But you all can't take them all and I want you all to post pics here if you get one. Since my tank isn't ready I will live thru you all. Anyway, I want to see what you get. I found this by accident after looking for about 6 months. I actually just tried to place an order for one and they called and said they are out of stock but are available thru one of their farms but do not normally order them as there is little demand. I'm pretty sure they would find that is not true. He said, just call their order number and order over the phone, they will check what is available and include it on the next order. I have not done this yet, but this is from what their employee told me. Use the link below and good luck!
aquariumcreationsonline.com/

ca1ore
11/18/2015, 03:29 PM
I don't believe it! Will call, of course, and report back .....

DrDNA
11/18/2015, 04:53 PM
I called them, they said they can't order them currently and to check back in the spring.

ca1ore
11/19/2015, 06:18 PM
Nobody's exporting them, either cultivated or wild; so no way for anyone to have any - neither now nor in the Spring. I've had a couple of places tell me 'yes we can get them' but, of course, they cannot.

DrDNA
11/19/2015, 06:54 PM
I've come to pretty much the same conclusion...

Giovanni
11/19/2015, 07:21 PM
I have one source that can get captive raised Gigas.
Jeff

Do Tell!!

wakesetter
11/21/2015, 10:50 AM
I have talked to every wholesaler in the LA area, they all have the same anwer. "none expected in the foreseeable future" None of the farms are currently growing gigas for several reasons.

karimwassef
12/07/2015, 08:15 PM
I HAVE HOPE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLie82rfCxU
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nLie82rfCxU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

for food?

karimwassef
12/07/2015, 08:31 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/c8CrhtVrIkc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

karimwassef
12/07/2015, 08:34 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zgg3-0IXxKw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

karimwassef
12/07/2015, 08:37 PM
for scale...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/K3xVRbe9aXk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

wakesetter
12/10/2015, 05:14 PM
I just found some clams at my LFS that might distract me from Gigas for a while. Purple Squamosa clams. Possibly the coolest clams I have ever seen. He has them on a great sale, might not be able to pass these guys up.

Giovanni
12/10/2015, 06:12 PM
First.
http://tijil.org/worthless_without_pics.gif

Second you will probably find that squamosas grow fast and large enough.

PfenWendt
12/10/2015, 07:59 PM
Don't know if this will help any...But came across this just browsing around different sites. http://www.aquatictech.com/at_clams.html
They have gigas listed, marked as out of stock currently, but never know...They may have some sooner or later. Just thought i'd share.

EDIT:
I'll shoot them an email just cause im bored and see if they can/will get more in stock and i'll update this when i know.

karimwassef
12/10/2015, 09:51 PM
Cool! Let us know

DrDNA
12/10/2015, 10:19 PM
I've called them before and it's "check back in a few months". I think they just leave it on their site to attract traffic.

wakesetter
12/11/2015, 06:09 AM
These guys have distracted me from gigas desire

https://www.instagram.com/p/-h9Pebs_9k/

Giovanni
12/11/2015, 06:13 AM
Here is a 5 inch one on DD.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/images/diversden/approved/lg-121015-293a.jpg

wakesetter
12/11/2015, 06:45 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/-h9Pebs_9k/These guys have distracted me from gigas desire

https://www.instagram.com/p/-h9Pebs_9k/

karimwassef
12/11/2015, 07:20 AM
How big do they get?

SNAKEMANVET
12/11/2015, 10:51 AM
I am not really sure,but I think they can get around 18''. Not exactly sure.

ca1ore
12/11/2015, 11:20 AM
I have had squamosa get to 18" without problem, maybe even a bit more than that.

PfenWendt
12/11/2015, 12:03 PM
So that site i posted about responded, "They from the Solomon Islands
No one is bringing livestock from there".

David MC Lee
12/26/2015, 08:21 AM
I sure miss mine. Lost mine on the right about 4 years ago. Bought him when he was only 4 inches. Now the shell is 18 inches. Only took 4 years for that growth.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/ocean_front_view/DSCN2757.jpg (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/ocean_front_view/media/DSCN2757.jpg.html)

sedgro
01/01/2016, 02:01 PM
Here is mine that I have had since about 2005. Probably somewhere around 20 in long.

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karimwassef
01/01/2016, 05:01 PM
Wow

karimwassef
04/30/2017, 07:10 PM
found one but it's too big for my tank and I'm not sure how I would move it from WA to TX

https://sites.google.com/a/aquaticdreams.biz/demo/live-stock-list/3ft-gigas-clam-for-sale
https://sites.google.com/a/aquaticdreams.biz/demo/_/rsrc/1451687450329/live-stock-list/3ft-gigas-clam-for-sale/DSC_0011.JPG

https://sites.google.com/a/aquaticdreams.biz/demo/_/rsrc/1451687450329/live-stock-list/3ft-gigas-clam-for-sale/DSC_1240.jpg

https://sites.google.com/a/aquaticdreams.biz/demo/_/rsrc/1451687450329/live-stock-list/3ft-gigas-clam-for-sale/DSC_1242.jpg

karimwassef
04/30/2017, 07:11 PM
smaller one in CA - pickup only

http://www.fishsupplyunderwater.com/cggm-0006.html

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-15896368182214/gigas-clam-show-size-14-16-9.gif

ca1ore
04/30/2017, 08:56 PM
I'd have to actually see it in person to believe.

DrDNA
04/30/2017, 10:06 PM
smaller one in CA - pickup only

http://www.fishsupplyunderwater.com/cggm-0006.html

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-15896368182214/gigas-clam-show-size-14-16-9.gif
I called these guys a year or so ago. They haven't had one on stock for years but won't take down their ad

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ca1ore
05/01/2017, 02:08 PM
The only ones you are going to find are those that have grown up since the last time they were being imported. Means very large with absurd asking prices. Really only donate-to-public-aquaria sized.

karimwassef
05/01/2017, 05:16 PM
Or maybe a fit for a 12' x 8' tank? :D