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gioNVA
12/18/2015, 02:41 PM
I am going to try raising a batch from this pair. They laid eggs today 12/18 at 4PM so I am going to use this thread to track progress. Here's a video of the mom and dad. Mom is a Bali Aq Picasso and dad is an ORA picasso.

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For my breeding setup, it's just a standard 10g tank, air pump, and heater. I have 2 rotifer cultures going and have some Reed Rotigreen Omega. I also have a batch of Doni/Onyx picassos going in a growout tank. The growout system is just a 20g tank, 40g sump with some live rock, skimmer, andsome Seachem Matrix biomedia. I will be expanding that with another 20g tank but really don't have a lot of space in the house for a full blown breeding setup.

gar732
12/21/2015, 12:03 AM
Beautiful pair of clowns you have there. I had a pair of doni picassos breeding for some time but they stoped after I moved, which was expected, then I lost my female, which was not expected. Of my 3 breeding pairs the picassos were my favorite. It was always exciting to see the patterns develop on the baby clowns. Can't wait to see what you end up with, following along.

gioNVA
12/21/2015, 09:57 AM
Thanks @gar732! This is the second time they laid eggs so they are getting better. They ate most of the eggs again but there are still about 20 or so eggs remaining.

pilot.darren
01/15/2016, 08:55 AM
stunning

duyhuynh
01/22/2016, 11:58 AM
Hard work and enjoyment are about to come. Good luck.

gar732
02/13/2016, 01:10 AM
Any updates? Can't wait to see what the offspring look like.

mountainraised
02/18/2016, 12:49 PM
Your re leaving me on the edge of my seat with these! Can't wait tool see what the fry mature to.

gioNVA
02/18/2016, 12:53 PM
Sorry but I haven't been able to get a big hatch raised. They kept eating the first 3 batches of eggs but was able to save 5 babies. The 5 are at around 18 days old now and they are amazing so far. They are supposed to lay eggs again tomorrow so I will hope to get that batch raised.

shifty51008
02/19/2016, 02:10 AM
If the parents are eating the eggs it is usually a sign they are not geting enough protein in their diet.

gioNVA
02/24/2016, 12:45 PM
I hope that is not the case. These guys eat better than I do. They get PE mysis, LRS fertility frenzy, rods food, PE calanus, cyclopeeze, flake and hikari pellets. I basically throw them food every time I'm in front of the tank and they gobble them up. More likely it is because they are young and are learning. The last 2 hatches have been good but I fell asleep on the last one and wasn't able to transfer the pot. Waiting on the next one.

gioNVA
03/08/2016, 09:55 AM
A little bit of good news. I have a small hatch of about 30 babies that will be at 7 days old today. I'm expecting them to hit meta stage tonight. The mom/dad also laid a large nest of eggs 2 days ago. It's about triple the amount of their normal eggs so they are getting better.

gar732
03/09/2016, 06:18 PM
Nice! sounds like they are getting the hang of things quickly. Was it a small clutch or did you not get a good hatch out?

solidcore
03/13/2016, 10:11 AM
good luck!

gioNVA
03/13/2016, 11:08 PM
Thanks! It was a little bit of both. it was a small clutch and had about 45 hatch that night. I pulled the pot and didnt wait for the rest to hatch since i wasnt sure if the rest was going to hatch or just foul the water. I havent had any losses with the ones that hatched which is great. They are 10 days old now.

gioNVA
03/14/2016, 08:54 AM
So last night was also supposed to be hatch night. Eggs are at 9 days and only 25 or so hatched. This time, I am leaving the pot and hoping that the rest will hatch.

gioNVA
03/15/2016, 10:49 AM
The rest hatched last night. Not really a huge clutch compared to my onyx but still at least 100 there.

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michellejy
03/31/2016, 11:04 AM
The parents are gorgeous. I am following to see how the offspring turn out.

gioNVA
04/04/2016, 02:59 PM
Thank you! They are at day 19 and have some their first stripes on the head. These seem to be developing slower than my doni's reef pair. On the doni's pair, the helmet patterns show up as early as 13 days. I have anywhere 60-70 babies from this batch so I'm hoping they get really nice shape and coloration with no deformities.

ZoeyLove
04/08/2016, 08:37 AM
Would love to see another video - a close-up, if possible, to see what the babies really look like. Very exciting!. :lolspin:

gioNVA
04/11/2016, 03:15 PM
Thank you. I will try to post something soon. The babies have tiny head stripes so far.

Westcoastindia
04/12/2016, 01:48 PM
Hi,
How long does it take for different crossbred clowns to reach saleable size?
What would be optimum saleable size?
I have read that ocellaris they grow out to slow.
Could y'all shed more light on growth period of different clown species especially crossbreds.

Thanks.

D-Nak
04/20/2016, 07:29 PM
Hi,
How long does it take for different crossbred clowns to reach saleable size?
What would be optimum saleable size?
I have read that ocellaris they grow out to slow.
Could y'all shed more light on growth period of different clown species especially crossbreds.

Thanks.
Quick answers:

These are not cross-bred. The are both percula clowns.

Optimum saleable size depends on the type of clown. For example. Onyx clowns take a long time to color up, therefore their saleable size is larger.

Ocellaris grow fast compared to percula.

Growth period ranges dramatically bason ed different variables such as tank conditions and how much food they are fed. Some people like to feed a lot, and the babies get big quick, but if not careful many of the babies have defects due to poor water quality typically a result of the extra feeding. Flared gills is an example of these defects.

ZoeyLove
04/27/2016, 09:30 AM
I have two questions, actually.

I had a pair of ocellaris clownfish, and one recently died. Do I need to pair my clownfish with another ocellaris, or can I get a Darwin or a Wyoming White?


Second question... We were thinking of getting another tank, dedicated to just clownfish. Can we buy several different types and put them all together in one tank? If so, do I need to buy them in pairs - two ocellaris, two darwins, etc.?

ZoeyLove
04/27/2016, 09:30 AM
I think I posted in the wrong place. Sorry.

Halo_003
04/27/2016, 05:05 PM
I have two questions, actually.

I had a pair of ocellaris clownfish, and one recently died. Do I need to pair my clownfish with another ocellaris, or can I get a Darwin or a Wyoming White?


Second question... We were thinking of getting another tank, dedicated to just clownfish. Can we buy several different types and put them all together in one tank? If so, do I need to buy them in pairs - two ocellaris, two darwins, etc.?

To answer...

1. If you want to breed I would stick to Occ., but you can certainly do different Occ. designer breeds such as a naked and a snowflake. Just look up the designer type you want and then see if it's an Occ. Personally I would stick to the same species regardless.

2. Look up the BRS Clown Harem tank, the thread on here called 27 clowns in 27 months by Mobert, and check out the book Clownfishes by Joyce Wilkerson. It is doable but basically you will want one batch of the same type of clowns added all at once, ie one batch of Occ. misbars. You should pretty much never have two pairs in the same tank. Some people have made it work but they are the 1%.

ZoeyLove
04/28/2016, 10:52 AM
To answer...

2. Look up the BRS Clown Harem tank, the thread on here called 27 clowns in 27 months by Mobert, and check out the book Clownfishes by Joyce Wilkerson. It is doable but basically you will want one batch of the same type of clowns added all at once, ie one batch of Occ. misbars. You should pretty much never have two pairs in the same tank. Some people have made it work but they are the 1%.

That is a great thread! Loved reading it and the pictures are awesome. Thanks!

gioNVA
05/04/2016, 02:10 PM
Just a quick update. These babies are at 30 days old. The patterns take a lot longer to develop compared to my doni's but these are coming along nicely.

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gioNVA
05/16/2016, 09:31 PM
Caught these 2 hanging at the surface. These are starting to develop really nice. The patterns are starting to look excellent.
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Clownfishbeast
05/22/2016, 09:51 PM
What type of tank do you have your baby clowns in?

gioNVA
05/22/2016, 10:13 PM
Right now it's a 20g Nuvo that's been running for 1 year or so. I have about 30 babies in there. I change out 5 gallons every 2 days. Have a small reactor for biopellets and also have some chaeto in another chamber. I have an IM midsize skimmer. I had to buy the fishguards as the babies tend to get into the back chambers.

CoralsAddiction
05/23/2016, 09:30 AM
The babies are looking very very nice.

gioNVA
05/24/2016, 11:41 AM
Thank you. A few months ago, I also tried to raise fry from my doni's clownfish. I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys compare in pattern and shape. The biggest difference I've noticed so far is that these bali/ora patterns take longer to develop. Also, the bali have a deeper orange color that is very nice. Here are photos from my doni's babies.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/BoostaS4/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2704_zpscnzzwb9z.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/BoostaS4/media/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2704_zpscnzzwb9z.jpg.html)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/BoostaS4/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2719_zpsfxfhecal.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/BoostaS4/media/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2719_zpsfxfhecal.jpg.html)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/BoostaS4/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2702_zpsj6aqxw0c.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/BoostaS4/media/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2702_zpsj6aqxw0c.jpg.html)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/BoostaS4/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2681_zpsbzgjoy6g.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/BoostaS4/media/Aquaria/Fish/Clownfish/Breeding/_DSC2681_zpsbzgjoy6g.jpg.html)

gar732
05/29/2016, 11:08 PM
Those are some great looking clowns! I was recently looking for a female to pair up with my male I would have gladly given you my money. I can't wait to see how the Bali/doni clowns turn out. Keep up the good work.

gioNVA
06/18/2016, 01:55 PM
I'm getting a lot of nice looking babies from this pair. Shape is great, coloration is really deep orange, and patterns are excellent. I will try to breed another batch in August.

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president89
06/30/2016, 05:47 AM
following

ginpang
07/01/2016, 12:05 PM
Very nice


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swissgaurd
07/10/2016, 06:43 AM
nice looking babies
what are you feeding them after 30 days

gioNVA
07/10/2016, 10:59 AM
Thanks! I feed them crushed flakes, crushed pellets, and some SA hatchery diet .8mm

ajdiver
07/14/2016, 03:55 AM
If you're interested in selling any breeding pairs let me know

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president89
08/04/2016, 04:07 AM
I'm looking for breeding pairs as well.

Wilrok_1
08/18/2016, 08:21 AM
Great looking fish , I have a booyah Picasso that I want to pair up soon .

Wilrok_1
08/18/2016, 08:23 AM
Are you selling any babies ?

gioNVA
08/18/2016, 02:02 PM
Hi Wilrok. Booyah's fish are super nice. Do you have any pics of your booyah picasso? I stopped breeding to take a break as it's too much work and time for me at the moment. PM me.

Wilrok_1
09/07/2016, 12:49 PM
I want to see what comes out !

Wilrok_1
09/07/2016, 12:51 PM
I will pm pic later , I paired him up over the weekend bought a nice ultra Picasso

OrionN
09/18/2016, 08:32 AM
Nice looking babies. Congrats

mountainraised
09/26/2016, 01:12 PM
Following this thread to see how they look!

ILikeURWrasse
12/08/2016, 02:25 PM
Hello GioNva, any updates on your fry?

gioNVA
12/08/2016, 08:36 PM
Sorry but I stopped breeding for now. Just too busy with family and work. I did sell most of the fry locally.

ILikeURWrasse
12/18/2016, 02:46 AM
The fry that you still have available, are you willing to sell them? I just viewed your helmet picasso videos on YouTube and your fry look amazing.

I am interested in some helmet picasso's if you are looking to sell them as well as any of your broodstock.

Let me know.

gioNVA
04/20/2017, 10:32 AM
My supplies from Reed were due to expire in 2 months so I figured I'd use them and try one more batch. Here they are at 35 days old.

https://youtu.be/qTFGV0Pif9Y

Here's the link in case the video doesn't work. https://youtu.be/qTFGV0Pif9Y

Absolutely love this pairing. The dorsal fins on the offspring are nice and tall. The fins are a nice size too. Looking forward to how these go since I've got a better process now that I have more experience.