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EI Gringo
01/10/2016, 05:15 AM
So I'll attach the pictures I've drawn up. Everything is rough, I'm not 100% on dimensions for each tank and I may increase dimensions for top display tanks before starting.
Basically a return pump will pump to a distribution box which will send most of the water to top display tank which will in turn overflow to an identical tank below with a divider in a slightly different place. This will overflow into my main peacock tank which will feature an upside down part which will give more height for fish to utilise for example filefish which I plan on getting).
The main body will have a weir at the opposite side to the input which will fall down to a big sump in the bottom of the cabinet behind closed doors, may add an algae scrubber to that.
2 airlines will affix to the distribution box sending water to the zebra burrow on either side which will overflow via a bulkhead at the back and join at a T on one side and then drain into the weir in the peacock tank.

Sump will feature no biological filtration because I will use my hydra depurators. I will have socks and sponges around the overflow pipe. Other equipment is fairly standard such as an air driven skimmer I made, a heater and a return pump in a weir.
Other equipment includes lighting, I have 2 3 foot T5s, one for each of the top 2 display tanks, other tanks will only have ambient light and perhaps an LED light which I will only have on for photos and display purposes.

Entire system will be removable/ soft plumbed. Spearer burrow will screw in under the cabinet so I can pull out a whole U section with the animals inside if I need to move everything at any point.

What do you think guys? Any problems with my design?

EI Gringo
01/10/2016, 05:19 AM
Good if I added the photos - here

Calappidae
01/11/2016, 12:32 PM
looks solid to me but I'm a bit confused on the water return part.


EDIT: Oh I see now, you're going down multiple systems until reaching a "true sump".

EI Gringo
01/11/2016, 04:23 PM
Yeah that's the idea, same system as a fish racking at an LFS essentially

nmotz
01/12/2016, 09:25 PM
I think the only thing that I'll add is that more complexity can mean more problems. I'm sure you're capable and all, but if I'm honest I think the keep it simple stupid (KISS) method is best for mantis shrimp. But this is a really neat idea that will let you house some cool species.

EI Gringo
01/13/2016, 03:40 AM
I'm all with you on the keep it simple thing so I'm looking into just buying bare tanks and using a continuous syphon overflow system from one tank to the next. I also don't have the money to order glass to make it from scratch so I'd need Base tanks instead, I will keep it as simple as possible ��

Calappidae
01/13/2016, 12:44 PM
I'm all with you on the keep it simple thing so I'm looking into just buying bare tanks and using a continuous syphon overflow system from one tank to the next. I also don't have the money to order glass to make it from scratch so I'd need Base tanks instead, I will keep it as simple as possible ��

Most tanks are made with tempered glass, if you're DIY, keep in mind that you can't really drill through tempered, (the bottom panel I think is the only tempered piece.)

To me it looks like some parts are going to be drilled.

One issue I'm seeing now that it crossed my mind, is what will happen when one of the pipes plug up or have stuff grow in them? since all the pipe will be exposed to lighting, stuff can grow, and if you cover them, then cleaning would difficult. While in a normal system, this is managable, the issue is that several aquariums are relying on all those pluggable pipes, one cloggs, the rest can overflow it, (you're going to have A LOT of water at the top of those tanks, two tanks with 2" off the top will probably fill 10 extra gallons in the clogged compartment. keep those water levels low.)

Put a 180 elbow pipe on the overflows, drill an airline sized hole in the top for noise and siphon control, and that should help prevent lighting.

albano
01/13/2016, 07:32 PM
One issue I'm seeing now that it crossed my mind, is what will happen when one of the pipes plug up or have stuff grow in them? since all the pipe will be exposed to lighting, stuff can grow, and if you cover them, then cleaning would difficult. While in a normal system, this is managable, the issue is that several aquariums are relying on all those pluggable pipes, one cloggs, the rest can overflow it, (you're going to have A LOT of water at the top of those tanks, two tanks with 2" off the top will probably fill 10 extra gallons in the clogged compartment. keep those water levels low.)

Put a 180 elbow pipe on the overflows, drill an airline sized hole in the top for noise and siphon control, and that should help prevent lighting.

Add emergency/extra overflows to each tank... Just in case

Calappidae
01/13/2016, 07:35 PM
Add emergency/extra overflows to each tank... Just in case

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EI Gringo
01/14/2016, 02:57 AM
Thanks bro. I will be filtering at the end of each tank before the overflow plus I will be darkening those end areas as much as possible and definitely reducing noise in the way you mentioned. I'm actually going to be using a syphon overflow on each top 2 tanks. I can combat the overflow problem you mentioned by putting the return pump in a weir so if it pumps too much water up without water coming back down then it will stop pumping. Thanks guys!

EI Gringo
01/14/2016, 01:04 PM
I'm actually going to put the overflow pipe well below the rims of the tanks too so that the water level will simply rise when the overflow pipe gets blocked a little by something so I can simply correct it

EI Gringo
01/15/2016, 02:17 PM
So I just bought my first tank for this system from Gumtree, an 80cm length by 30cm width by 40cm height 4mm glass tank. I will be adding a baffle in the middle for the water to overflow down into the right hand side and then down a pvc overflow, might take a pane of glass out of the side and silicone it to the top to make it 40 deep and 30 high. Next tank below is lined up on eBay to buy in the next few days, just one more to find!

Kharn
01/31/2016, 01:50 PM
I've been designing a new multi tank species specific system, unlike my old one that held more tanks this one holds 6 display tanks (215L - 430L each) and 5 sump tanks but the sumps are all in line once installed to act as 1 large sump.

All up around 4000L and this time it wouldn't be just for mantis shrimp.

6 Display Tanks.
- Eunice Worm (215L 2x2x2)
- Blue Ring Octopus (215L 2x2x2)
- Painted Angler (215L 2x2x2)
- Nudibranch(s) (215L 2x2x2)
- Large O.scyllarus (430L 4x2x2)
- Large L.maculata (430L 4x2x2)

The way I have it designed is the Display Tanks are split in half (4 left / 2 right) on 2 separate stands with about a 2.5ft gap between them, below and between them in that gap is the skimmer part of the sump and behind that the return, so the large skimmer & large return are positioned in parallel places for water flow of both halves of the display.

albano
01/31/2016, 02:19 PM
I'm actually going to put the overflow pipe well below the rims of the tanks too so that the water level will simply rise when the overflow pipe gets blocked a little by something so I can simply correct it

Doesn't sound like a good idea...how will you know if the water level is rising when you're not there?

EI Gringo
02/01/2016, 07:13 AM
Well unless it gets blocked completely which is very unlikely it will just steadily rise plus the sump return section only has about 15 liters in it so it will just stop pumping as a last resort, powerheads in each tank will keep biological filtering it and oxygenating it even if the pump stops, Ive considered everything obvious that could go wrong

Calappidae
02/01/2016, 10:36 AM
- Eunice Worm (215L 2x2x2)


Careful, these guys spawn crazy.. their young can make it through pumps and end up in compartments you wouldn't want them to be in.

Please take mine...


- Blue Ring Octopus (215L 2x2x2)


Hells fire nem, Blue ring... we gotta get you some cone snails.


- Nudibranch(s) (215L 2x2x2)


wait what kind? Are we talking sea hares, lettuces, or something more exotic like sponge eaters?

Kharn
02/01/2016, 11:13 PM
Careful, these guys spawn crazy.. their young can make it through pumps and end up in compartments you wouldn't want them to be in.
Not the species I am targeting it is not the 'normal' eunice that hitch hike into tanks, there are many species of Eunice.

Hells fire nem, Blue ring... we gotta get you some cone snails.
Cone Snails are common in Australia and not something that interests me.

wait what kind? Are we talking sea hares, lettuces, or something more exotic like sponge eaters?
We are talking exotics and the tank will be stocked with the food before the animal(s).
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I like to think I know what I'm doing :)

EI Gringo
02/22/2016, 02:19 PM
Just a few picks, sump, unplumbed unit and then plumbed unit!

EI Gringo
02/22/2016, 02:21 PM
Tomorrow I will be testing the whole system (pvc overflows) and then by the end of the week possibly I will start moving everything across from my old tank!

Martini5788
02/22/2016, 06:51 PM
I wish I could figure out how to plumb a system with that many tanks. Would make my life a lot easier haha.

nmotz
02/22/2016, 07:32 PM
Man that makes me nervous just looking at it. Secure it well! Otherwise I'm sure it's going to be awesome when you get all the tanks filled.

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 03:16 AM
It's a heavy duty rack system screwed into the wall, it can take 200kg per shelf :) it's a solid unit and I got it for 30 quid from Amazon, shelves are mdf

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 03:18 AM
The giant spearer will be living in that container in the down part of the sump btw

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 06:27 AM
So I have filled my 3 tanks and sump and none are leaking plus none of the pipe leaks. Couple of problems ofcourse but none unfixable;

Pump is not powerful enough as I suspected, have ordered a 2500 Lph pump to replace it, this is only designed to pump up to 2 metres and is a measly 1000 Lph.
The polycarbonate tubing I used on the overflows to monitor the water level hasn't molted properly to the end caps on 2 of the 3 overflows and is allowing air in very slowly so I have plastered sealant on some plastic wrapping and applied it around those areas, even before the sealant has set it is solving the problem.
Last problem is that my check valves are defective and are actually allowing water and air to go backwards into the CSO! Will be buying some good quality ones from Maidenhead aquatics tomorrow (that's the company I work for, a premium aquarium and livestock supplier for those who don't know, I usually shop online for cheap deals but in this case I think I'll use my staff discount :P )

So here's my view from lounging on my sofa :D

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 06:49 AM
Molded* not molted, it is a solvent weld system.

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 07:48 AM
Final metric capacity of each display tank is as follows;
108L for O.scyllarus, jewel puffer, mollies, pyjama cardinal, half red filefish.

35L for p.Ciliata, Sps/Lps corals, miscellaneous inverts including hermits and a conch.
25L for G.Glabrous + same corals

30L for G.chiragra and soft corals
30L for g.ternatensis and soft corals

Calappidae
02/23/2016, 12:01 PM
wait is the puffer going with the mantis? That is not a combo you want actually. Puffers need to nip on inverts inorder to keep their teeth "filed". To say the least it might actually eat your mantis. I've seen it before where people would feed their puffers mantis shrimp on an occasional basis.

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 01:27 PM
This is true regarding the aggressive nature. I will be putting a 3-4 inch mantis with a puffer the same size and the tank will be loaded with feeder shrimp and snails to give both a common enemy if you will.

EI Gringo
02/23/2016, 01:31 PM
Also these puffers stay relatively small, 25 gallon is generally ok, I can always rehome him if I get problems between them but I'm happy to risk it to be honest :P

nmotz
02/23/2016, 01:49 PM
I agree with Calappidae, I think things may turn violent one way or the other if you get a Puffer. But it's up to you, and you know the drill anytime violent marine animals are involved: don't get too attached to anything!

EI Gringo
02/24/2016, 02:31 AM
I'm just hoping that loading it with Live food will defuse any problems like that, but yeah, don't get too attached :P

Halfpikant
02/24/2016, 02:56 AM
I'm really excited to see this project unfold. I hope for more updates soon! :)

EI Gringo
02/24/2016, 03:17 AM
Waiting on this pump now but fingers crossed I'll be setting it up on Monday and Tuesday which are my days off

EI Gringo
03/08/2016, 08:50 AM
So here's an update:

It's finished, however, the aqualifter I bought burned out because I didn't realise it was only 110v... Ordering a new one but all else works faultlessly! Here's some pictures

EI Gringo
03/20/2016, 01:56 AM
Everything is completed, my mantis have all been transferred across and are loving their new homes. Have to recreate spray bars for my middle and bottom tanks as I need to baffle out the air being pulled down, for the moment some white pvc will do the job.

EI Gringo
03/20/2016, 03:14 AM
Here are some pictures of my livestock, the empty pipe you see covered in rubble is where my ternatensis is now living, she's very happy in there too. My lysiosquilla is in a clear acrylic pipe which I will be filling with sand and a bit of rubble for her to play with and then covering up the pipe to allow her to feel more secure too.

nmotz
03/20/2016, 09:12 AM
very cool, nice diversity of species you have there

EI Gringo
03/20/2016, 03:46 PM
All lights are on and almost all systems go!

EI Gringo
03/20/2016, 03:48 PM
Here is a picture from my sofa :P

EI Gringo
03/20/2016, 03:50 PM
You can just see the zebra under phone light :L

EI Gringo
03/21/2016, 12:00 PM
Some photos of my specimens all enjoying their new surroundings

EI Gringo
03/21/2016, 12:02 PM
And one more

Latrodectus
03/22/2016, 01:57 AM
Awesome i like your setup and your stomatopod :) how do you filter the whole system ?

And how big is the l.maculata ? Should have think of keeping mine in a sump like you instead because in a whole 30 gallon it kinda boring

EI Gringo
03/22/2016, 02:17 AM
It's not an L.maculata, it's some species of lysiosquilla, probably sulcata and she's big, is say 7-8 inches.she's in a 14 inch acrylic burrow with 67mm internal diameter

EI Gringo
03/22/2016, 02:19 AM
The system filters down through sponges and through electrolysis filters and a protein skimmer before being heated and returning