Aquaforest products- Component 1+2+3+

[GoVols]

One hour between each component should be ok.
I just like Comp-2 (Alk) during the night to help keep up ph while lights are out.

[ivanotas]

One hour between each component should be ok.
I just like Comp-2 (Alk) during the night to help keep up ph while lights are out.
Thanks. Govols!

[plyle02]

Hi. What will be the correct dosing method? Com 1 follow by 2 and final 3. I am dosing each at 1hr interval. Isit ok?

I personally dose all 3 by the hour, the doses are staggered by 5 minutes apart.
Cheers

[ivanotas]

Many Thanks to all. :)

[cbear9494]

I just mixed my first batch of 123. My component 1 has a milky precipitate. Is this normal? It settles and I have to shake. I made 4 liters.


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[CIR2000]

I'm using the comp 1+2+3 since 2 months and the values of my tank (berlinese method) are very constants.

I have regulated the quantities of the products on the KH. Currently the KH is 7/7,3... usually I'm changing the water every 15 days (more or less 15%) with Aquaforest reef salt.

I red that component 1+2+3 contains also microelements... my question is... how many days have to pass between to water changes ?

I think that with this products (comp 1+2+3) maybe is possible to reduce the "water change" because we add constantly in the tank all microelements... like in the Triton method. what do you think ?


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[GoVols]

I'm using the comp 1+2+3 since 2 months and the values of my tank (berlinese method) are very constants.

I have regulated the quantities of the products on the KH. Currently the KH is 7/7,3... usually I'm changing the water every 15 days (more or less 15%) with Aquaforest reef salt.

I red that component 1+2+3 contains also microelements... my question is... how many days have to pass between to water changes ?

I think that with this products (comp 1+2+3) maybe is possible to reduce the "water change" because we add constantly in the tank all microelements... like in the Triton method. what do you think ?


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I believe your correct... Component 1+ 2+ 3+ keeps replacing your trace elements that are in the salt mix. That's my understanding.

Less water changes may be possible for the trace elements in Comp 1-3+ but...
I'm not going to tell anybody to reduce their water changes for things like nitrates and detritus removal etc...

[ivanotas]

A quick check. Can i substitute the reef salt in component 3 with my probotic reef salt? Will there be any issue?

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[plyle02]

That is not "Reef Salt" in Component 3, it is "Reef Mineral Salt". This is completely different than salt for your tank, it is more of a balling salt, designed to help buffer minerals.

[ivanotas]

That is not "Reef Salt" in Component 3, it is "Reef Mineral Salt". This is completely different than salt for your tank, it is more of a balling salt, designed to help buffer minerals.
So i cant sub with my probotic salt? Looks like shopping time again. [emoji16]

[CIR2000]

Hello,

I'm using Component 1+2+3... but the Iodine is very Low (zero). Can I put some drop of Aquaforest Iodine ?


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[plyle02]

Hello,

I'm using Component 1+2+3... but the Iodine is very Low (zero). Can I put some drop of Aquaforest Iodine ?


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Sure,
That should be no problem, however, the Comp 123 should maintain proper levels once you reach your target :)

[BDK1786]

Has anyone tried using BRS 2 part and mag combined with strong and mineral salts to make component 1+2+3+?? I have a bunch of BRS stuff lying around and would love for it to not go to waste when I switch over.

Would like to bump this comment as I am also in this situation and considering some AF products.

[madreefer2013]

I just mixed my first batch of 123. My component 1 has a milky precipitate. Is this normal? It settles and I have to shake. I made 4 liters.


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Mix? I thought you just add it to the tank.

[plyle02]

It comes premixed(component 123) or make your self recipe as well. You would need KH Buffer, Calcium, Magnesium, Reef Mineral Salt, and Component Strong to make your own version of the pre-mix Component 123.

[cbear9494]

It comes premixed(component 123) or make your self recipe as well. You would need KH Buffer, Calcium, Magnesium, Reef Mineral Salt, and Component Strong to make your own version of the pre-mix Component 123.

Yep - Pricing it out in the US it's much cheaper than premixed.

At some point I'm hoping to have enough corals to need a Calcium reactor though!

[CIR2000]

hello,

Could be possible to water down (dilute) the Component 1+2+3 with osmotic water (1/10) so that the dosing pumps work better?



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[Aquaforest]

hello,

Could be possible to water down (dilute) the Component 1+2+3 with osmotic water (1/10) so that the dosing pumps work better?



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Hello,
What for do you need dilute Component 123?

Fundamentally its nothing wrong but we recommend to use classic products prepared by us.

Best regards,
Aquaforest

[CIR2000]

Hello,

What for do you need dilute Component 123?



Fundamentally its nothing wrong but we recommend to use classic products prepared by us.



Best regards,

Aquaforest



Because my tank is 70lt and everyday I'm dosing 6ml in two times and the dosing pump have a problems to dose this little quantity!


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[Scubabum]

Just started component 1 2 3 and need some help. 60 gallons total water volume. Started at 21ml of each and my dkh dropped .4 dkh. I upped the dose to 36 ml and still dropped .4 dkh Currently sitting at 7.0 dkh and 395 calcium. Should I just keep increasing the dose by 10 or so ml until its stable? Any advice helping me dial my dose in will be greatly apprecitated. Thanks

[Aquaforest]

Just started component 1 2 3 and need some help. 60 gallons total water volume. Started at 21ml of each and my dkh dropped .4 dkh. I upped the dose to 36 ml and still dropped .4 dkh Currently sitting at 7.0 dkh and 395 calcium. Should I just keep increasing the dose by 10 or so ml until its stable? Any advice helping me dial my dose in will be greatly apprecitated. Thanks

Dosage macroelements (Ca,KH,Mg) depends of corals consumption.
50ml Component 2+ raises the KH of 1,3 dkh-Alk 0,46 meg/l in 100l/27 US gal

[luvreefs23]

So if im dosing equal amounts of each and dkh continues to drop but ca and mg stay consistent then i should make a batch of kh without the micro elements and manually add kh on top of what the doser is adding til system stabilizes?

[ivanotas]

Thats what i did. For my kh issue as well. Dosing component 1 2 3 and additional mix of kh buffer.

[120reefer]

That is correct and you can do that until you catch up to your Alk consumption. Once you find your balancing point for your Alk, then match the calcium and reef mineral salts at the same ml.

It will balance . [emoji4]


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[ivanotas]

I am wondering since balancing. Can we increase the concentration of kh buffer in component 2 to increase the kh rather than dosing separately additional kh buffer. Will it react with other chemical in c2 n cause issues?

[120reefer]

I am wondering since balancing. Can we increase the concentration of kh buffer in component 2 to increase the kh rather than dosing separately additional kh buffer. Will it react with other chemical in c2 n cause issues?



Personally I wouldn't do it and have not done it that way. I'd rather be in control of known values and adjust accordingly.

That's not saying it's not possible but for me I like to play it safe.

I think your best served by balancing your system out first and then matching your Alkalinity consumption. Once you've done that then dose all three components matching that of your alkalinity or component +2.

I talk a little bit about this in a video I recently put together . Here is a link [emoji4].


https://youtu.be/EP47ArjSVmw


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[ivanotas]

Hi 120reefer! Nice video and appreciate your valuable inputs! Thank you 😃

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[120reefer]

Hi 120reefer! Nice video and appreciate your valuable inputs! Thank you [emoji2]

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Your very welcome my friend! Anytime! [emoji4]


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[CIR2000]

Tks [emoji4]


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[120reefer]

Tks [emoji4]


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Your welcome! We are all here to help each other! [emoji4][emoji4]


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[slap]

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/component-1-2-3/

Why was the product changed?
I got the white canister delivered today.

How is component 3+ dosed?

[120reefer]

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/component-1-2-3/

Why was the product changed?
I got the white canister delivered today.

How is component 3+ dosed?



The product was not changed as far as I know. The photo is just a different package.

Component +3 is dosed in an equal amount to the other 2 components.


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The composition of the component 2 + 3 + has changed


Component 1+ contains:
Ca, Sr, Ba, Co, Mn, Cu, Fe, Zn, Ni, Cr (50ml raises of 9 mg Ca in 100L/27 US gal).

Component 2+ contains:
NaHCO3, F, I (50ml raises the KH of 1,3 dKH-Alk 0,46 meg/l in 100L/ 27 US gal).

Component 3+ contains:
Mg, mineral salts and K, B (50ml raises of 0,6 mg Mg in 100L/ 27 US gal).


In the same amount
I would have to dosing now. Component 1+ 110ml and component 2+ 65ml.

[120reefer]

I see no chemistry changes at all on the components.



Only packaging change.

I looked at the guide, and multiple web pages that sell Aquaforest components 1+,2+,+3

This image is from the guide.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/080b6e4d62a514027c329dff292f8ab2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/c165e65215f9e7504d98193f7490a16e.jpg

This is from the website.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/67d12e46fd4d9ff677666d26c0d679ff.jpg

This is from vendors.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/a4984ed2c98116f8916bd4c94b8e3dde.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/db5f1759bedb7129cbaf6f561c8fa7d0.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/14103f0fa6e447825aa60ba92fdb4890.jpg


All say the same thing.

Can you send me a pic of your components showing what changed?




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[slap]

In the new version MG seems to be in the component 3+

[120reefer]

In the new version MG seems to be in the component 3+



I see on the website it says that, but in the guide it does not. Interesting.

I don't believe that it's changed but maybe I can find out . [emoji4]


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[Anirban]

I just received a new component package. It came in those purple jars but the components detail are same as earlier. From the website it says Mg is in component 3 now. Possibly they already released that in Europe but not yet in USA.

[120reefer]

In the new version MG seems to be in the component 3+



I have an answer for you. The answer is that the description on the website will be changed. [emoji4]


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[120reefer]

I have an answer for you. The answer is that the description on the website has been changed. [emoji4]


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[slap]

Has already happened. Thank you :)

[120reefer]

Has already happened. Thank you :)



Your very welcome! Glad I could help [emoji4]


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[cham]

Can anyone tell me if exposure to light/heat causes adverse effects? I'm seeing a brown slime in my components (mostly 1). They're in the garage and get indirect sunlight and heat.

[Anirban]

Can anyone tell me if exposure to light/heat causes adverse effects? I'm seeing a brown slime in my components (mostly 1). They're in the garage and get indirect sunlight and heat.

Its not light or it, the component 1 has iron in it which sometime precipitate and its brown in colour. Just stir it once in a couple of days and you are good.:sleep:

[ivanotas]

I believe the new formulation will obeys the old recipe? Anyone?

[120reefer]

I believe the new formulation will obeys the old recipe? Anyone?



No official announcement has been made yet. [emoji4]

We will definitely keep you informed if any changes occur and exactly what they mean if there are any made. [emoji16]


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[ivanotas]

Hi 120reefer, just a quick check. I am using 25ml each daily of com 1, 2 ,3. My para are cal @400, mg @1350.
I just read from AF website.. "Typical aquarium with average number of hard corals requires approximately 50ml of each component per 100 l (27 US gal) of water daily"
So given my 350L tank inclusive of slump tank and my 70% filled sps. Should i further increase my dosage of com 1,2,3 to match AF suggestion? Thanks in advance.

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[120reefer]

Hi 120reefer, just a quick check. I am using 25ml each daily of com 1, 2 ,3. My para are cal @400, mg @1350.
I just read from AF website.. "Typical aquarium with average number of hard corals requires approximately 50ml of each component per 100 l (27 US gal) of water daily"
So given my 350L tank inclusive of slump tank and my 70% filled sps. Should i further increase my dosage of com 1,2,3 to match AF suggestion? Thanks in advance.

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What you want to do is match your components +1 and +3 to the +2 consumption.

The +2 is the alkalinity component so if your consumption of +2 is 25ml per day then you match the +1,+3 @25ml.

Once you have your alkalinity stable where you want it then you just match it [emoji4]


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[ivanotas]

Hi 120reefer, thanks again for the sharing. I am again just curious to what dosing volume should i stop increasing c1,2,3 if i am still unable to bring up my kh? 175ml? For my 350l tank? And add in additional kh buffer in a separate container and start dosing to bring up the kh?

[120reefer]

Hi 120reefer, thanks again for the sharing. I am again just curious to what dosing volume should i stop increasing c1,2,3 if i am still unable to bring up my kh? 175ml? For my 350l tank? And add in additional kh buffer in a separate container and start dosing to bring up the kh?



You are correct. If you want to bring up your KH you can dose this separately. My personal recommendation is to not increase the DKH more than 1DKH per 24 hour period.

What is your current DKH level? What is your current Calcium level? What is your current Magnesium level?

I will help you stabilize your system[emoji4]

So basically before you start dosing the components 1+, 2+, 3+ you will need to adjust your levels manually to get your system stable. Then once you are stable if your alkalinity or dkh continues to drop you will have to increase the dosing of component +2 to meet the demand.

But first we need to find out how much DKH per day your tank is consuming. [emoji4]

This is where we will start. [emoji4]

So we will need to know what your DKH is today and then we test again tomorrow 24 hours later .




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[ivanotas]

Hi 120reefer. My para are as. Kh 7.7, cal 400 and mg 1350. Tested with salifert test kit. My current component 1 2 3 are at 26ml each daily (1.1ml hry). In additional, i dose kh buffer at 50ml daily ( 2.1ml hrly)

[120reefer]

Hi 120reefer. My para are as. Kh 7.7, cal 400 and mg 1350. Tested with salifert test kit. My current component 1 2 3 are at 26ml each daily (1.1ml hry). In additional, i dose kh buffer at 50ml daily ( 2.1ml hrly)



Ok so what I'd like to do is get you to transition over to all component 1,2,3. We will do this step by step.

Your kh looks good and calcium is a little low but not bad at all. Mag looks great.

So what I'd like you to do is increase your component +2 up to 50ml per day ( 2.1ml hrly)

Component 1+and component 3+ up to 50ml per day (2.1ml hrly) also.

I want you to cut back your kh buffer dose to 25ml daily (1.1 mil per hrly)


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[120reefer]

The recommend Dkh is 6.0 to 8.0 .

So 7.7dkh is good [emoji4] we just need to match your consumption so you no longer have to dose kh buffer.

This way you will only need components 1,2,3. [emoji4]


We will do this slow and get it right. [emoji4]

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[ivanotas]

The recommend Dkh is 6.0 to 8.0 .

So 7.7dkh is good [emoji4] we just need to match your consumption so you no longer have to dose kh buffer.

This way you will only need components 1,2,3. [emoji4]


We will do this slow and get it right. [emoji4]

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Hi 120reefer,
Thanks again. Hopefully i can get some mix formulation. [emoji2]

[120reefer]

If you need formulation you can find this in the guide .

http://aquaforest.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Aquaforest_Products-Guide_EN_RGB.pdf


I also made a handy video to help you mix your own components +1,+2,+3 [emoji4]





https://youtu.be/EP47ArjSVmw


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[ivanotas]

You are correct. If you want to bring up your KH you can dose this separately. My personal recommendation is to not increase the DKH more than 1DKH per 24 hour period.

What is your current DKH level? What is your current Calcium level? What is your current Magnesium level?

I will help you stabilize your system[emoji4]

So basically before you start dosing the components 1+, 2+, 3+ you will need to adjust your levels manually to get your system stable. Then once you are stable if your alkalinity or dkh continues to drop you will have to increase the dosing of component +2 to meet the demand.

But first we need to find out how much DKH per day your tank is consuming. [emoji4]

This is where we will start. [emoji4]

So we will need to know what your DKH is today and then we test again tomorrow 24 hours later .




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So do i stop dosing to know how much dkh drop?
From what i measure. With my existing dosing- i am getting a constant of 7.7dkh daily (as per monitored)

[120reefer]

So do i stop dosing to know how much dkh drop?
From what i measure. With my existing dosing- i am getting a constant of 7.7dkh daily (as per monitored)



Yes you can this way we know how much your consumption is.

You will have to measure each day once every 24 hours at the same time each day.

Then you will have to manually dose to get back to your stable 7.7dkh. Then we can develop our plan to match the demand . [emoji4]


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[ivanotas]

Yes you can this way we know how much your consumption is.

You will have to measure each day once every 24 hours at the same time each day.

Then you will have to manually dose to get back to your stable 7.7dkh. Then we can develop our plan to match the demand . [emoji4]


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Great! Let me do it this weekend after water change. Then share the result with u. Many Thanks again!

[120reefer]

Your very welcome[emoji16]


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[The Bean]

Hi everyone...i've been tagging along in the background reading into this as i have been having some problems with my system and very, very high calc and magnesium. I have been dosing components 1, 2 and 3 and my doser has ran away with levels (wheels slipping!) and I have only been measuring ALK as my tanks was nailed on for ages ALK 8, CALC 450 and MAG 1400.
My tank is 400ltr with a mix of 75% SPS and 25 %LPS.
I was dosing only 50ml per day all equal.

Cut a long storey short my calc is 500, DKH 8 and MAG 1800.
I have done a 40% water change with the AF Reef salt I always use and stopped dosing all together with just dosing ALK (Not Component 2!).

Question is why is my Calc and Mag not moving even after the time of a month with no dosing and water changes, the tank looks better after the 40% water change and my seriatopora looks better and fluffy again but my levels are still too high to even consider using 1,2 and 3 again?
Do I need to add some trace elements?
My Phos and Nitrate are .015 and 2.5 respectively.
Thanks in advance!
Miles

[The Bean]

Update...Still no 1+2+3+dosing.
Calc now down to 450-475 (two different test/ readings red sea test kit) DKH still in line at 8.4 Magnesium off the scale at 1ml of tyrant used so nearer 2000pmm!

[GoVols]

Question is why is my Calc and Mag not moving

Cal has a lot higher seawater buffer rate than alk and when your cal shot up with the mag the cal maybe buffered even more.

So even though your not seeing cal go down on your test kit (yet), that does not mean your corals are not intaking cal.

Corals use 1 ion of cal to 1 ion of alk for intake.

If your alk stops dropping too, then that would be a whole other problem like low mag.

But... That's JMO :)

Read link and scroll down to Apparent Excess Demand for Alkalinity

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-12/rhf/index.php

[The Bean]

Hi everyone...i've been tagging along in the background reading into this as i have been having some problems with my system and very, very high calc and magnesium. I have been dosing components 1, 2 and 3 and my doser has ran away with levels (wheels slipping!) and I have only been measuring ALK as my tanks was nailed on for ages ALK 8, CALC 450 and MAG 1400.
My tank is 400ltr with a mix of 75% SPS and 25 %LPS.
I was dosing only 50ml per day all equal.

Cut a long storey short my calc is 500, DKH 8 and MAG 1800.
I have done a 40% water change with the AF Reef salt I always use and stopped dosing all together with just dosing ALK (Not Component 2!).

Question is why is my Calc and Mag not moving even after the time of a month with no dosing and water changes, the tank looks better after the 40% water change and my seriatopora looks better and fluffy again but my levels are still too high to even consider using 1,2 and 3 again?
Do I need to add some trace elements?
My Phos and Nitrate are .015 and 2.5 respectively.
Thanks in advance!
Miles


Okay...many thanks for put reply...problem I have is I'm going on holiday for a week on saturday!! do I just keep dosing All and leave the Calc/ Mag and get my tank sitter to manually dose some trace elements or do I dose again 1+2+3+ in background levels? regards Miles

[120reefer]

Okay...many thanks for put reply...problem I have is I'm going on holiday for a week on saturday!! do I just keep dosing All and leave the Calc/ Mag and get my tank sitter to manually dose some trace elements or do I dose again 1+2+3+ in background levels? regards Miles



Until you return from holiday I would just keep the Alkalinity stable for now. [emoji4]


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[GoVols]

Until you return from holiday I would just keep the Alkalinity stable for now.

+1 :thumbsup:

[The Bean]

Okay I'm away now and just left the doser dosing Alk (not AF)....which is 8dkh although my mag is still 1800-2000 (not in test kit range) my calcium was dropping tho to about 460-470 so fingers crossed not dropped too much by the time I get back. I will run components 1+2+3+ in a very low dose if the calc and mag are in range and need buffering and alter the dose on the Alk separately. Does this sound okay? All after a large water change! cheers Miles

[The Bean]

Back from holiday....Alk dropped to 7.2 DKH although dosing still. Its using 40ml a day only with a Alk Buffer which I have mixed to the same ratio as the component 2 ( 50ml per 100ltrs water raises DKH 1.3).
My calcium is now down to 430-440 and my Mag still at 1750ppm after another large water change.
What does AquaForest recommend I do now or anyone for that matter? I have lost 3 millipora which is about 20 percent of my stock.
Do I need to start dosing everything except the MAG and maintain that until mag drops?
Cheers Miles

[120reefer]

Back from holiday....Alk dropped to 7.2 DKH although dosing still. Its using 40ml a day only with a Alk Buffer which I have mixed to the same ratio as the component 2 ( 50ml per 100ltrs water raises DKH 1.3).
My calcium is now down to 430-440 and my Mag still at 1750ppm after another large water change.
What does AquaForest recommend I do now or anyone for that matter? I have lost 3 millipora which is about 20 percent of my stock.
Do I need to start dosing everything except the MAG and maintain that until mag drops?
Cheers Miles



Exactly. Sounds like your on top of it . [emoji41]


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[120reefer]

HAPPY EASTER to everyone! [emoji4]


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[The Bean]

Happy easter reefer! thank you

[serenity]

Can you run 1, 2, 3 without balling method too? I have a 27, do weekly water changes, and run Red Sea Coral Pro Salt Mix. Is running just 1, 2, and 3 a waste of time/money?

Thanks.

[120reefer]

Are you currently meeting the demand s of your tank without dosing and only doing water changes?? [emoji846]


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[serenity]

Are you currently meeting the demand s of your tank without dosing and only doing water changes?? [emoji846]


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Thus far yes. Mostly a soft tank, with a couple Monties and a couple SPS, but more towards Zoas.

Waiting for the 10' tank build, so I started a 27 to play with until Jan.

Do you suggest a product you carry that I could dose in conjunction with 1,2,3?

[serenity]

Was looking at dosing the following too.

MAGNESIUM DRY - AQUAFOREST
CALCIUM DRY - AQUAFOREST
kH Buffer Dry - Aquaforest

and considering adding to the supps above.
Component Strong A, B, C, K - Aquaforest

[120reefer]

If your currently meeting your demands then you won't need components 1,2,3 yet. I'd suggest during this time to get the dry components magnesium, calcium, and kh buffer to use as necessary until your demand rises to the level to warrant components 1,2,3

Components A,B,C,K Strong are incorporated in the components 1,2,3.

So once you start using the components 1,2,3 there is no need to dose components A,B,C,K separately.
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[serenity]

If your currently meeting your demands then you won't need components 1,2,3 yet. I'd suggest during this time to get the dry components magnesium, calcium, and kh buffer to use as necessary until your demand rises to the level to warrant components 1,2,3

Components A,B,C,K Strong are incorporated in the components 1,2,3.

So once you start using the components 1,2,3 there is no need to dose components A,B,C,K separately.
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Fantastic! Thank you very much for your honest help with this. I will go ahead and order this now, and start doing less WC to keep up with the CA, Mg, and Kh.

Looking forward to using 1,2,3 sooner than later! I will just need to fill up the tank with more corals :D

[120reefer]

Fantastic! Thank you very much for your honest help with this. I will go ahead and order this now, and start doing less WC to keep up with the CA, Mg, and Kh.



Looking forward to using 1,2,3 sooner than later! I will just need to fill up the tank with more corals :D



There you go [emoji4]

Happy reefing! [emoji16][emoji41]


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[GoVols]

Can you run 1, 2, 3 without balling method too?

Just an fyi,

Comp 1+ 2+ 3+ is "balling" and a great AF product.

Regards, GoVols

[Spikewire]

I am a week into dosing 1+2+3+ and will definitely post what I see over the next few months. Here's my real question In addition I have purchased AF AMINO, Vitality, Build, and Energy. I know these are dosed in pairs every other day. Do you need to wait some time in between? ie Amino and then wait to dose Vitality? Or can the pair be added every other day dosed together? Any thoughts? Aquaforest? Thanks 😀

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[120reefer]

Yes your fine to pair . No need to wait . [emoji4]


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[elFloyd]

I use a calcium reactor and add Kalk to the ATO. My intent was to dose Components A, B and C. I am considering taking the two reactors off line and dosing Components 1+2+3. My water volume is 180 gallons so I'll use the DIY mix. I have already purchased Component A, B and C (2 liter each) so need to use this instead of Strong A, B, C. How would the DIY formula look?

[Spikewire]

I use a calcium reactor and add Kalk to the ATO. My intent was to dose Components A, B and C. I am considering taking the two reactors off line and dosing Components 1+2+3. My water volume is 180 gallons so I'll use the DIY mix. I have already purchased Component A, B and C (2 liter each) so need to use this instead of Strong A, B, C. How would the DIY formula look?
I don't make my own but there is a great video for this on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/EP47ArjSVmw


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[Spikewire]

Yes your fine to pair . No need to wait . [emoji4]


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Thanks! [emoji1]

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[Cyberdude]

I use a calcium reactor and add Kalk to the ATO. My intent was to dose Components A, B and C. I am considering taking the two reactors off line and dosing Components 1+2+3. My water volume is 180 gallons so I'll use the DIY mix. I have already purchased Component A, B and C (2 liter each) so need to use this instead of Strong A, B, C. How would the DIY formula look?



Hey! Curious why take down the reactor?

[elFloyd]

Hey! Curious why take down the reactor?

1) I get tired of status quo and sometimes need to try something else.
2) A bit more control over how much calcium is needed.
3) See number 1.

[elFloyd]

I don't make my own but there is a great video for this on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/EP47ArjSVmw


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Video uses Component Strong A,B,C. Looking for formula using Component A,B,C (not Strong).

But thanks, good video.

[120reefer]

I use a calcium reactor and add Kalk to the ATO. My intent was to dose Components A, B and C. I am considering taking the two reactors off line and dosing Components 1+2+3. My water volume is 180 gallons so I'll use the DIY mix. I have already purchased Component A, B and C (2 liter each) so need to use this instead of Strong A, B, C. How would the DIY formula look?



Components strong A,B,C,K is a lot stronger solution than Components A,B,C. This means you'll need to dose a lot more of it to achieve the same results.

My personal recommendation is to go and buy the components strong so you mix everything to the right strength. Besides you will still need to purchase the K (potassium ) portion to mix all the solutions correctly.


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[Spikewire]

Components strong A,B,C,K is a lot stronger solution than Components A,B,C. This means you'll need to dose a lot more of it to achieve the same results.

My personal recommendation is to go and buy the components strong so you mix everything to the right strength. Besides you will still need to purchase the K (potassium ) portion to mix all the solutions correctly.


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Yes I did think the strong was used for mixing it yourself. Once you find the right mix it should be just like regular 1 2 3. It just you're able to make large batches using less. I have no idea of the cost savings g though...


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[elFloyd]

Components strong A,B,C,K is a lot stronger solution than Components A,B,C. This means you'll need to dose a lot more of it to achieve the same results.

My personal recommendation is to go and buy the components strong so you mix everything to the right strength. Besides you will still need to purchase the K (potassium ) portion to mix all the solutions correctly.


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That's what I'll eventually do (Strong). Right now I have unopened 2 liter bottles of Component A, B, C that I need to use. At 34 ml per week that's enough to last a year (180g tank).

[120reefer]

That's what I'll eventually do (Strong). Right now I have unopened 2 liter bottles of Component A, B, C that I need to use. At 34 ml per week that's enough to last a year (180g tank).



Like i said it's possible to use it at an increased rate. Your still going to need the K strong for the component +3 . [emoji41]


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[elFloyd]

As You Can see in our Guide (http://aquaforest.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Aquaforest_Products-Guide_EN_sRGB_WEB.pdf)

There is few ways to dose Macro and Micro:

http://aquaforest.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ballingmethod2.jpg

1 - Ca Plus, KH Plus, MG Plus (macro) + Component A, Component B, Component C(micro)
2 - Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Components Strong (micro)
3- Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Kalium, Iodum, Fluorine, Iron, Strontium, Micro E (micro)
4 - Component 1+2+3+

Every ways working the same - but Aquarist should find comfortable products for self:)


Regards,
Aquaforest


Am I correct to understand that Option 1 = 4, Option 2 = 4, and Option 3 = 4? If yes, then does anyone have a recipe for Option 1?

[ivanotas]

Am I correct to understand that Option 1 = 4, Option 2 = 4, and Option 3 = 4? If yes, then does anyone have a recipe for Option 1?
I believe that should be it. As per AF recommendations.

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[120reefer]

That's correct You would follow the directions on the individual products directions. There is no recipe per say with option one.

If you want to mix your own components +1,+2,+3 then yes there is a recipe to make your own option 4.




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[The Bean]

Update on my tank after the Mag reading of 2000 and Calc 500.
Mag is now down to 1450
Calc down to 420
Alk is steady 8 DKH now and the uptake of All has doubled this week from 40ml per day to 80ml per Day.

Am I okay to start dosing 20ml per day 1,2 and 3 again and slowly increase as the Mag drops?
Just concerned my trace elements are depleted. thx Miles

[120reefer]

What is your phosphate and nitrate at?


My suggestion right now would be to keep your Alk , and calcium steady and continue to let the magnesium drop down some more. You should be ok and I wouldn't be over concerned. [emoji4]


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[The Bean]

Nitrate 2.5ppm
Phos 0.015

So I am on track with the nutrients...my concern is the other trace elements.
My Alk is gone from 40ml to 80ml consumption per day.
Mag is now 1420
Calc 420

Will do a 10 percent water change tomorrow.

[CIR2000]

hi,

I'm using "component 1+2+3" thet of course... I'm dosing in the equal ml per day... but my problem is to reduce the Ca (now 450) and also the Mg (now 1350)... dKH is Ok.

My target is Ca (400) and Mg (1300). I calculated that for my daily consumption I must stop with the dosing for 19 days for the Ca and 290 days for the Mg... and logicaly I need to put KH buffer for compensate. Do other methods exist?


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[120reefer]

hi,

I'm using "component 1+2+3" thet of course... I'm dosing in the equal ml per day... but my problem is to reduce the Ca (now 450) and also the Mg (now 1350)... dKH is Ok.

My target is Ca (400) and Mg (1300). I calculated that for my daily consumption I must stop with the dosing for 19 days for the Ca and 290 days for the Mg... and logicaly I need to put KH buffer for compensate. Do other methods exist?


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You could do water changes also. [emoji4]


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[The Bean]

hi,

I'm using "component 1+2+3" thet of course... I'm dosing in the equal ml per day... but my problem is to reduce the Ca (now 450) and also the Mg (now 1350)... dKH is Ok.

My target is Ca (400) and Mg (1300). I calculated that for my daily consumption I must stop with the dosing for 19 days for the Ca and 290 days for the Mg... and logicaly I need to put KH buffer for compensate. Do other methods exist?


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I am having the same problems.......I dose equally now and dose extra Alk to keep up with consumption...but just 20ml of all 3 to keep my Calc at 420 but my Mg is 1440.....some people say high Mg is not a problem and 400 calc too low? Surely if your Kh is stable and the Ca/ Mg is your okay?
ALL tanks cannot have the same consumption of all 3 elements?

[The Bean]

You could do water changes also. [emoji4]


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So if he is using AF reef salt which ranges from 410-430 CA then a 25% water change will bring his CA down a massive 5mg/l and Magnesium would have no effect if anything as Reef Salt states a range between 1300-1360mg/l.

IF the tank has ended up at these levels from equal dosing (as mine did) then surely the dose should be lowered to make up for the higher Ca and Mg and a lower DKH maintained in the tank??

[120reefer]

So if he is using AF reef salt which ranges from 410-430 CA then a 25% water change will bring his CA down a massive 5mg/l and Magnesium would have no effect if anything as Reef Salt states a range between 1300-1360mg/l.



IF the tank has ended up at these levels from equal dosing (as mine did) then surely the dose should be lowered to make up for the higher Ca and Mg and a lower DKH maintained in the tank??



You can definitely adjust your dosing also. As he said this will take some time. He specifically asked if there was anything else he could do. I'm not aware of another way you can just automatically drop your levels to be perfect. This is why testing is important and adjustments are sometimes needed. There are many variables some of which may have no reflection on the product itself. These can included things like a dosing pump that isn't calibrated correctly, increase or decrease in coral cast, fragging of corals may cause other to shutdown use of elements, environmental conditions. Many things go into keeping everything balanced. [emoji4]


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[CIR2000]

hi,

I'm using Component 1+2+3 and I notest that the color of the component 1 (also in the jerrycan) is not clear but is lite yellow ! is it normal ? unfortunatelly my dKH is not stable in the last period and I think that the problem mightbe the degradation of this component ! what do you think ?


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[Spikewire]

I think it's the trace elements that are yellowish. I know mine are.

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[120reefer]

hi,

I'm using Component 1+2+3 and I notest that the color of the component 1 (also in the jerrycan) is not clear but is lite yellow ! is it normal ? unfortunatelly my dKH is not stable in the last period and I think that the problem mightbe the degradation of this component ! what do you think ?


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The discoloration in component +1 is normal. This is iron precipitate. This is not an issue and if you want you can shake or stir your dosing container every few days.

It's hard to say why your DKH isn't stable. Are you dosing the components in equal amounts??

What are your current values of

Ca?

Alk?

Mag?

Po4?

No3?

Ph?




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[CIR2000]

The discoloration in component +1 is normal. This is iron precipitate. This is not an issue and if you want you can shake or stir your dosing container every few days.

It's hard to say why your DKH isn't stable. Are you dosing the components in equal amounts??

What are your current values of

Ca?

Alk?

Mag?

Po4?

No3?

Ph?




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Yes I'm dosing in the equal amounts ! Following the current values!

Ca - 450
dKH - usually 7
Mag - 1350
PO4 - 0,008
NO3 - 0
PH 8,10


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[120reefer]

Yes I'm dosing in the equal amounts ! Following the current values!

Ca - 450
dKH - usually 7
Mag - 1350
PO4 - 0,008
NO3 - 0
PH 8,10


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When you say your Alkalinity isn't stable how much fluctuation are you seeing. I noticed you posted it's usually 7.

For that level of Alkalinity your calcium should be around 410ppm.

Looks like you need some NO3. Absolute zero isn't good. Most folks find success at 2-5ppm nitrate. Mag is good. [emoji4]

Of course all of this is my opinion.

Here is a great article to help.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/

Are you manually dosing or using a dosing pump?

If your using a pump when was the last time it was calibrated?

What test kit are you using for your Alkalinity?


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[CIR2000]

When you say your Alkalinity isn't stable how much fluctuation are you seeing. I noticed you posted it's usually 7.

For that level of Alkalinity your calcium should be around 410ppm.

Looks like you need some NO3. Absolute zero isn't good. Most folks find success at 2-5ppm nitrate. Mag is good. [emoji4]

Of course all of this is my opinion.

Here is a great article to help.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/

Are you manually dosing or using a dosing pump?

If your using a pump when was the last time it was calibrated?

What test kit are you using for your Alkalinity?


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- dKH usually is 7 but some days is also 5,9 (like 3 days ago)

- yes I know... and is my intention to arrive to 410 for Ca... but how ?

- NO3 I had always 0 from the beginning

- I'm dosing with 3 pumps that I check avery 30 days

- Test dKH... I use the Hanna photometer and salifert (always with same result)




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[120reefer]

- dKH usually is 7 but some days is also 5,9 (like 3 days ago)

- yes I know... and is my intention to arrive to 410 for Ca... but how ?

- NO3 I had always 0 from the beginning

- I'm dosing with 3 pumps that I check avery 30 days

- Test dKH... I use the Hanna photometer and salifert (always with same result)




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Do you know what your daily consumption of Alkalinity is? What you need to do is get your Alkalinity up to a comfortable zone then stop dosing it. Each day at the same time of day test your Alkalinity. It will drop..... do this for a few days to see what your daily consumption is. Then you'll need to dose your system back up to where you want it. No more than 1dkh per 24 hour period when bringing it back up. Then you'll turn your doser back on and see if you are meeting the demand. If it's still falling then you need to increase your dosing pump to match the consumption. If it rises then you'll need to turn down your pump and dose less. [emoji4]

What you want to do is get that Alkalinity stable first. Then you'll end up matching your dosing according to that.


It looks like you may have overdosed the elements to start. So I would completely concentrate on your Alkalinity. The calcium will naturally fall. You need to get that Alk dialed in first. [emoji4]



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[The Bean]

Okay guys.....Im still keeping my ALK stable at 8dkh with a separate ALK buffer but only dosing 20ml per day on a 400ltr system of 1, 2 and 3...My Strontium levels are 0-3, Iodate/Iodine .03 and potassium 390ppm......
My Magnesium is 1440 still but my Calcium is around 420 ish any tips on getting this Mag down or can I knock up/ get the recipe for component 1 so I can make without the MG and dose a decent percentage again. Rgrds Miles

[120reefer]

Yes I believe your going to let the mag drop naturally if you'd like although I don't see a problem with where it's at.


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[120reefer]

There is a video on YouTube called Aquaforest Mix your own components 1+, 2+, 3+. This will help [emoji4]

Here is the base recipe for making 1 liter of each.

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[The Bean]

Thank you 120 Reefer.

So the Strontium dose states 1 drop per 100ltrs per day.
Also states 15 drops = 1 ppm of strontium per 100ltrs.
So in a 400ltr tank 15 drops would raise my Strontium by 0.25ppm?
Is this acceptable to do daily?

Cheers Miles

[120reefer]

Thank you 120 Reefer.

So the Strontium dose states 1 drop per 100ltrs per day.
Also states 15 drops = 1 ppm of strontium per 100ltrs.
So in a 400ltr tank 15 drops would raise my Strontium by 0.25ppm?
Is this acceptable to do daily?

Cheers Miles



Do you have a strontium test kit?? I always test what I dose. I'd suggest getting one and testing your levels, then dose, then test etc.... [emoji4]

Your very welcome by the way. [emoji41]


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[The Bean]

Yes....my Strontium measured 0-3ppm
Iodine .03
Potassium 390ppm

Hence the need to dose!

Cheers

[The Bean]

There is a video on YouTube called Aquaforest Mix your own components 1+, 2+, 3+. This will help [emoji4]

Here is the base recipe for making 1 liter of each.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170517/47498e65c5297cd4d3ba70725a2bb77f.png


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So how much CA PLUS do I use....is it a dose of 175ml per litre as the dose is 10ml = 10ppm in 100lts?
The Calcium dry version is 50g (10g = 35ppm in 100ltrs so total 175ppm per 1tr)

Cheers

[120reefer]

So how much CA PLUS do I use....is it a dose of 175ml per litre as the dose is 10ml = 10ppm in 100lts?

The Calcium dry version is 50g (10g = 35ppm in 100ltrs so total 175ppm per 1tr)



Cheers



If you read the information about the CA plus product it gives you specific directions on how much you can dose daily to raise your levels.

[emoji4]

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/ca-plus/

So this amount also depends on the volume of water you have in your system. This is also covered in the information.

Here is the info for the dry calcium.

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/calcium/



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[The Bean]

If you read the information about the CA plus product it gives you specific directions on how much you can dose daily to raise your levels.

[emoji4]

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/ca-plus/

So this amount also depends on the volume of water you have in your system. This is also covered in the information.

Here is the info for the dry calcium.

http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/calcium/



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Sorry not to dose manually.... to make up component 1.... there is no mention calcium plus is not mentioned anywhere that it can be used to make the mixture. Although I believe calcium plus is the same as AF calcium just in liquid form and in a different concentration?? Cheers Miles

[120reefer]

Sorry not to dose manually.... to make up component 1.... there is no mention calcium plus is not mentioned anywhere that it can be used to make the mixture. Although I believe calcium plus is the same as AF calcium just in liquid form and in a different concentration?? Cheers Miles



It appears that the CA product is made for adjustments alone. I personally have not used this product. That being said I would use that product as intended although it might be perfectly fine to substitute.... to be honest I'm not sure.

I would just use it for adjustments and mix up your own components 1,2,3 following the base recipe or the video on mixing your own.


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[muhoni]

I want to ask you something

My tank is approximetly 30gallons with sump

I have mostly soft corals. And 2-3 pieces lps corals. Bubble coral, frogspawn coral and favia. I dont have any sps coral.

I had been used two part additives of reeflowers before, adviced quantities.

Now, i have bought af component 1-2-3

I have started to use 10ml x3 times per day for starting.

I had been observed for 2weeks. Water parameters are constant. (kh-ca-mg)

So, I think my low intensity live stock dont need that dosing periods.

Im thinking about dosing 10ml per day every component, because of low consumption.

Why im thinking that, money save :)

Sorry for my english. İm glad to reach you directly. Thank you.

[Aquaforest]

I want to ask you something

My tank is approximetly 30gallons with sump

I have mostly soft corals. And 2-3 pieces lps corals. Bubble coral, frogspawn coral and favia. I dont have any sps coral.

I had been used two part additives of reeflowers before, adviced quantities.

Now, i have bought af component 1-2-3

I have started to use 10ml x3 times per day for starting.

I had been observed for 2weeks. Water parameters are constant. (kh-ca-mg)

So, I think my low intensity live stock dont need that dosing periods.

Im thinking about dosing 10ml per day every component, because of low consumption.

Why im thinking that, money save :)

Sorry for my english. İm glad to reach you directly. Thank you.

Correct. If consumption is low also dosage should be in small amount. If your consumption is really low maybe you can dose Ca Plus or Mg Plus or KH Plus only?
Regards,
Aquaforest

[muhoni]

Correct. If consumption is low also dosage should be in small amount. If your consumption is really low maybe you can dose Ca Plus or Mg Plus or KH Plus only?
Regards,
Aquaforest

Thank you for your comment.

I have learned something like that if only one part kh or ca dosing one time causes ionic unbalanced situation. So every time i made same time kh-ca-mg which i use two part or three part balling solution.

If you say its suitable to dose one part, i will try.

So i need to ask, after that overdose for ca or mg, why don't increase to dangeorus levels?

Sorry again for my english :D

[ivanotas]

Is it neccessary to add additional microelement together with c1,2,3? Will it cause stress to coral and resulted in rtn or stn?

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[Aquaforest]

Is it neccessary to add additional microelement together with c1,2,3? Will it cause stress to coral and resulted in rtn or stn?

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Component1+2+3+ contains microelements that's why there is no need to add more micro.

[oldman1974]

I've been reading all these posts about Aquaforest and I've now been convinced by other aquarists to try making up my own components 123 . My aquarium perimeters are as folllows . Calcium 450 , Magnesium 1350 , Kh 9.5 . They have been stable like this for the last 2 month using RedSea Foundation Powder products . But I've been convinced to try Aquaforest because of the price . I've been dosing manually but I now have a Kamoer 4 Channel Wifi Dosing Unit and 5 litre containers .
I'm making up as follows ...
Container 1 Aquaforest Calcium 250g , Aquaforest Mag 50g , Aquaforest Component A Strong 25mls + Components B Strong 25ml .
Container 2 Aquaforest Kh 400g and Aquaforest Component C Strong 25mls . Container 3 Aquaforest Reef Mineral Salt 125g and Aquaforest Component K 25mls .
My aquarium is (After Displacement) 800 litres . Any idea as to what I should be dosing in equal quantities ? I've been told to start with 50mls daily and recheck after 24hours and reassess.
Any help will be fully appreciated.

Cheers

[Cyberdude]

I have a medium stocked 90 gallon and pushing 190 ml each a day. When things start to take off it doesn't matter how large your tank is. It is all about consumption

[oldman1974]

I have a medium stocked 90 gallon and pushing 190 ml each a day. When things start to take off it doesn't matter how large your tank is. It is all about consumption







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[oldman1974]

I have a medium stocked 90 gallon and pushing 190 ml each a day. When things start to take off it doesn't matter how large your tank is. It is all about consumption



Cheers for that info . Very much appreciated. I've been told to start at 50mls with each container . But looking at the calculations, I'm thinking I'm gonna be at 400mls per day so 5litres will only last me around a fortnight which I think is gonna cost me a small fortune compared to using the more expensive RedSea Foundation Powders I was using . I used to get 3 months from a 1kg of Calcium and Kh and 6 months from the Magnesium. I'll continue to use and see where I end up . Thanks once again


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[oldman1974]

Evening fellow Aquarists . I've been dosing Aquaforest using my dosing unit for 6 days now and reading my test kits it's dropping . I started at 50mls for them all but they seemed to be dropping . So I'm now at 80mls and they seem to be holding apart from my Kh . It seems to be slightly down but not much . Can I add 80mls of Cal/Mag/Components A and B strong ...
80mls of Mineral Salt and Components K Strong but say 100mls of Kh and Component C Strong or do I need to keep them all the same but manually dose Kh to Up it ?


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[plyle02]

Evening fellow Aquarists . I've been dosing Aquaforest using my dosing unit for 6 days now and reading my test kits it's dropping . I started at 50mls for them all but they seemed to be dropping . So I'm now at 80mls and they seem to be holding apart from my Kh . It seems to be slightly down but not much . Can I add 80mls of Cal/Mag/Components A and B strong ...
80mls of Mineral Salt and Components K Strong but say 100mls of Kh and Component C Strong or do I need to keep them all the same but manually dose Kh to Up it ?


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Hello,
It will take awhile to balance out, and the set rate should be based on the second bottle containing the alk. You can manually add alk if you are happy with the ca and mg levels until they all balance out, which eventually will happen. This would likely be your best approach. Please update your current and desired levels, just to reference. Thanks,

[oldman1974]

Again many thanks . I'd like my Calcium to be 450 ... Mag to be 1350 and Kh to be 9.5 and after my latest water tests , they were Calcium 420 ... Mag 1350 and Kh 9.2 .


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[oldman1974]

I was dosing 60mls of each from the start and after my tests 2 days ago ... I upped it to 80mls . Will test again tonight and see where I am .


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[plyle02]

I was using 230ml per day on my 120 gallon sps tank ;)

[oldman1974]

Wow ... ok , well I've just done another test and my Kh has dropped again by another .6 and is now 8.7 . Calcium and Mag stayed at 410 and 1320 respectively. What would you suggest dosing now ?


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[basser1]

Wow ... ok , well I've just done another test and my Kh has dropped again by another .6 and is now 8.7 . Calcium and Mag stayed at 410 and 1320 respectively. What would you suggest dosing now ?


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Have you done any testing to see how much Alk your tank is consuming on a daily basis? I would test Alk for the next few days to see. Test the same time or close to it each day. I would not dose while doing the tests to get a more accurate reading.

[oldman1974]

Yes ... On a daily basis , it's dropping 0.3 per day whilst dosing 80 MLS . If I wasn't dosing , it would be dropping a lot quicker I'd say .


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[oldman1974]

Another test done and Calcium is 400 (Down another 10 so dropping 5 every day) Mag is 1280 (Slightly down from my desired 1350) but my Kh is now 9.1 (Up from 8.7 that it was two days ago where it had been dropping 0.3 every day) .
Question is ... Do I Up the dosing again to raise the Calcium and Mag or continue dosing 150mls seeing as my Kh is rising ?
Will the Calcium and Mag rise once my Kh has stables out or do I continue dosing 150mls of component 2 but Up component 1 ?



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[ivanotas]

Any issue if i mixed the new formula with respect same volume of the old mixing formulation?
new formula - mg goes to C3.

Component 1+ contains: Ca, Sr, Ba, Co, Mn, Cu, Fe, Zn, Ni, Cr. (50ml dissolved in 100 l/27 US gal raises Ca by 9 mg).

Component 2+ contains: NaHCO3, F, I. (50ml dissolved in 100 l/27 US gal raises KH by 1,3 dKH (Alk: 0,46 meg/l)).

Component 3+ contains: Mg, Reef Mineral Salt, K and B. (50ml dissolved in 100 l/27 US gal raises Mg by 0,6 mg)

[jerrythomas]

Hello to everyone, i bought component 123 and within 3-4 days i will start. At the moment i am using kent ab to keep the stable triad (6 ml) according to you how much do i have to dose of this aquaforest component? My tank is 45x45x45 with 17 kg of rocks and also calculating the space left up without water I think I have on the 65/70 liter net (17/18 gal).

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[flananuts]

I've been running Comp1,2,3 for close to a year now and I've been able to minimize my water changes by a lot! A little laziness on my end has me battling GHA now but I'll win. My question is that I have only been testing ALK and I adjust my dosing as needed to keep it at 7.9. My mixed reef is flourishing under my radion 30w gen1 in a 43 gallon tank. My question is with only measuring ALK (and weekly phosphate and nitrate) do I really need to measure Ca and Mg? Fwiw I also am vodka dosing with my ghl to boot my nitrate export.


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[120reefer]

I've been running Comp1,2,3 for close to a year now and I've been able to minimize my water changes by a lot! A little laziness on my end has me battling GHA now but I'll win. My question is that I have only been testing ALK and I adjust my dosing as needed to keep it at 7.9. My mixed reef is flourishing under my radion 30w gen1 in a 43 gallon tank. My question is with only measuring ALK (and weekly phosphate and nitrate) do I really need to measure Ca and Mg? Fwiw I also am vodka dosing with my ghl to boot my nitrate export.


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Do you really need to measure Ca & Mg.

I say yes although I don't believe you'll find anything grossly out of balance.... I wouldn't be able to help myself lol .

It's always a good idea to do weekly testing. I always test for anything I dose to my tanks .


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[sunho2002]

Hello
I'm using calcium reactor . And media is aragonite.

Also I have component 1+2+3 and dosing pump. (not use yet)

My SPS tank parameter
35ppt, 78.8℉ (26c)
Ca : 440
Mg : 1440
dKH : 7.7
Alk : 2.73
NO3 : 0 ~ 0.05
PO4 : 0 ~ 0.03
600 * 500 * 500 cube

Question
Should I use componet 1+2+3+?

Or Would it be better to add trace elements such as irons and iodine without using 1 + 2 + 3?

[sunho2002]

Oh! There post was a missing part.

potassium : 390~400

And I'm use
AF Energy
AF Build
AF Vitavility
AF Amino Mix

I want use calcium reactor.

And I want coral growth&color
What should I do?

[sunho2002]

And I'm tank picture

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ts2jlL3s4HACCtlJ3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cQ0GrZJ1wcKfgFsu2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/enONxCd7I7fHbnAq1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kLXEfrw2fHeWdX4t2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/DifMkKKcI0WxBKHl1

[sunho2002]

Um.. this post is not delete? .. Sorry..T.T

And I'm using multi reactor AF90
Phostphate Minus
Zeo Mix
Carbon

[120reefer]

Hello

I'm using calcium reactor . And media is aragonite.



Also I have component 1+2+3 and dosing pump. (not use yet)



My SPS tank parameter

35ppt, 78.8℉ (26c)

Ca : 440

Mg : 1440

dKH : 7.7

Alk : 2.73

NO3 : 0 ~ 0.05

PO4 : 0 ~ 0.03

600 * 500 * 500 cube



Question

Should I use componet 1+2+3+?



Or Would it be better to add trace elements such as irons and iodine without using 1 + 2 + 3?



You can use components 1,2,3 or a calcium reactor but you shouldn't need both.

If you use your calcium reactor then you can make up your trace elements by using

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/753f90a2dd4cbfc17b9ddfda1da690d6.png

If you need potassium then you can also dose kalium.

If you choose to use components 1+,2+,3+ it contains everything you need.


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[Mohammed]

Hi,
From the AF videos it seems the mag goes into the reef salt (c) and not the calcium (a). Also onthe vid it says 100ml of (b) will raise dkh by 1.6 in 100lt. This is varying in the thread. What is the correct mix and dkh rise per 100ml as i'd like to switch over from kalk so would like to have a reasonable starting point.

[120reefer]

Hi,
From the AF videos it seems the mag goes into the reef salt (c) and not the calcium (a). Also onthe vid it says 100ml of (b) will raise dkh by 1.6 in 100lt. This is varying in the thread. What is the correct mix and dkh rise per 100ml as i'd like to switch over from kalk so would like to have a reasonable starting point.



http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/component-1-2-3/ if using the premixed components 1+, 2+,3+ then the components 2+ states:

50ml dissolved in 100 l/27 US gal raises KH by 1,3 dKH (Alk: 0,46 meg/l)).




http://aquaforest.eu/en/product/kh-buffer/
If your mixing just the KH buffer alone it states:

10g KH Buffer increases by about*3,3 dKH (Alk. 1,18meg/l) in 100L.*100ml KH Buffer*solution increases by about 1,60 dKH in 100L of water.



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170930/34bbaa4872b3d3ceae6d09973ce23721.png


This is the original recipe to mix your own components 1,2,3.

The only difference between the original recipe and the new one is you can put the magnesium into component 3. It's your choice and both work well.

I've also included a copy of the Aquaforest guide.

http://aquaforest.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Aquaforest_Products-Guide_EN_RGB.pdf


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[MichaelW]

Just to add to the above about the new "recipe" and the old "recipe". If you use the system properly and dose all 3 liquids the same amount... It makes no difference where the mag is (1 or3) it is still 10grams in 1L of water and same amount dosed. So in tbeory the recipe is exactly the same in what gets added to the tank

[120reefer]

Just to add to the above about the new "recipe" and the old "recipe". If you use the system properly and dose all 3 liquids the same amount... It makes no difference where the mag is (1 or3) it is still 10grams in 1L of water and same amount dosed. So in tbeory the recipe is exactly the same in what gets added to the tank



Exactly! [emoji6]


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[Ichigeki]

I have not used your product yet. I wanted to get some answers to questions I had about the product before trying.
In your example you are basing the 150ml dose for each container based on the tanks alkalinity demand? So the tank needs 150 ml of alk component to keep alk steady, so dose 150 of all 3 components.
Like mentioned above, with my current products, I do not dose any magnesium and it stays in line. I do of course dose calcium...... With your product every time I dose calcium I will also dose magnesium... Therefore wouldn't my magnesium raise above desired levels?



Hey Michael I'm having the same issue here my magnesium is good and I don't need to dose it but I'm trying to switch to AF and they are telling me that I need to dose 3 equal so did you dose the 3 after all???

[MichaelW]

Hey Michael I'm having the same issue here my magnesium is good and I don't need to dose it but I'm trying to switch to AF and they are telling me that I need to dose 3 equal so did you dose the 3 after all???

Yep dosed all 3 equally. System works great after you get the 3 balanced out. Initially i actually had a bad mag test kit that was giving me a reading of high all the time so making it seem like i didnt need to dose when my mag wasnt as high as i thought. I really like the comp 123+ system and think it works very well.

[Tastee]

Hi all, I am 1 month into my first saltwater tank and have just started adding corals. I am using the Aquaforest 3 part additive mix. I an a long time freshwater keeper but this is my first dive into the reefing tank. So far so good.

My question is what automated dosing options does the reefing community suggest?

I am strongly considering investing in the Apex 2016 controller (as soon as I can determine if it is available in Australia yet), but one issue is that their dosing options are based on 2 part. Obviously I can just invest in 2 of the DOS modules and use them. I am also considering their container solution - expensive but very convenient. I could host 2 of the container units in a cupboard next to the tank connected to 2 of the DOS units.

What are the experts in the community's thoughts?

Thanks, Brad.

[onetootreefor]

I just started dosing Aquaforest and is my first time diving into the dosing realm. My Calc and Alk seemed to be depleting by equal amounts before starting to dose.

I started off by getting my Alk and Calc to desired levels before starting on a dosing regimen. I got alk stable at 8.9-9.0 dKH and my calc stable at 425-450.

I started dosing Aquaforest 25ml (30 gallon tank) throughout 6x per day. I have a kore 5th doser. For the first 4 days everything stayed really stable Alk right at 9.0 dKH and calc 425-435.

Today (the 5th day) I checked and saw my Alk shoot up to 9.2 dKH and my calc was at 397. I use hannah checkers and check my water chemistry at the same time every day. Should I change my dosages? I know we are supposed to dose all 3 parts equally but it seems like my reef is consuming at unequal parts.

The only change between yesterday and today is I started Vodka dosing to help with my phosphates. (I only added .2 ml of Vodka before testing), could that be the reason for the change in alk and calc? I wouldn't think so.

[Aquaforest]

Yes I would lower your dosage equally. I would drop it down 5ml per . So make your new setting 20ml per day.

What salt are you currently using and what is your salt batch parameters?


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[onetootreefor]

Yes I would lower your dosage equally. I would drop it down 5ml per . So make your new setting 20ml per day.

What salt are you currently using and what is your salt batch parameters?


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Im using instant ocean right now. Its what my LFS mixes for me so I am not mixing my own. The only other option would be Red Sea.

[onetootreefor]

and salt batch parameters are:
7.4 dKH and 350 calc

[Aquaforest]

and salt batch parameters are:
7.4 dKH and 350 calc



This is one of the battles your going to have. When you run your system parameters different than your water change parameters. Stability is important.

You should try to run your system to closely match your water change parameters.

I believe you'd have better success if you'd lower your Alkalinity slowly on your tank over time to match that of your water change water.

For example: Alk 7.4 , Calcium around 410 to 415ppm and magnesium 1300 to 1400ppm

Every time you do a water change your are currently working against yourself in a sense.




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[onetootreefor]

This is one of the battles your going to have. When you run your system parameters different than your water change parameters. Stability is important.

You should try to run your system to closely match your water change parameters.

I believe you'd have better success if you'd lower your Alkalinity slowly on your tank over time to match that of your water change water.

For example: Alk 7.4 , Calcium around 410 to 415ppm and magnesium 1300 to 1400ppm

Every time you do a water change your are currently working against yourself in a sense.




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Thanks for the heads up,

I have not done a water change yet since starting to dose Aquaforest, I might try a different LFS or a different salt mix to try and get higher Alk and Calc because my system has had good results with the higher numbers that Aquaforest has been providing.

[paal]

Lets say that nitrates and phosphates are non-detectable due to a large refugium and skimmer and one wants to run a none- ( or at least minimal) water change system;

Would the comp1/2/3 be an OK replacement for the standard triton dosing regiment, or does the comp1/2/3 require "help" from water changes?
Are there other aquaforest products that would be more suited than comp1/2/3 in this scenario?

[cchomistek]

Is there any way to tell whether the mag is in component 3 or compenent 1. I bought the set of three in September at my local LFS and they are in the purple 5L jugs. Just wondering as the label on the bottles still state that the Mg is in component 1. Any way to confirm which bottle the Mg is in.

Thanks

[Aquaforest]

I'm sure the purple jugs have the magnesium in component +3


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[MichaelW]

I'm sure the purple jugs have the magnesium in component +3


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I have a set of purple jugs that clearly state mag still in comp1.

[cchomistek]

Mine also has the Mg in component 1. I am assuming it is just a label issue. But thwt is why I asked.

[Aquaforest]

I'm sure this is possible as we made the change . There was a transition from having the magnesium in component +1 to component +3


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[cflow]

I've been dosing 1,2,3 for the past few months and at first most of my corals looked great, but I've noticed a decline in growth and overall health and even death of some frags for some reason. I've noticed that my Mg is always very close to 1500, Ca 450, and dkh 7.3-7.8 range. I started dosing 1,2,3 as the instructions read in equal parts, for my tank it's 10ml per day. This i do just to keep my dkh up. My corals eventually turned brown or looked like the life is literally being sucked out of them from the outside in. I thought it was my nutrients being too low so i added more fish, started feeding more aggressively, started supplementing amino acids and power food, and started skimming much dryer and holding the skimmer off for longer periods of time. I also removed my zeolites and stopped dosing energy. My corals continued to decline. I thought that maybe my light had burned them so i decreased the photoperiod and intensity, but this seemed to do nothing. I don't know exactly what is happening but i have a theory that I'm overdosing components 1 and 3. 1 contains copper and barium in addition to calcium and magnesium. Maybe copper is being overdosed. I have an icp test coming soon. Hopefully this will help. I stopped dosing 1 and 3. The overall tank looks great but my corals looks very bad. It seems that corals that I've had for a longer period of time look the worst. Where they were quickly encrusting before i started supplementing 1,2,3, now are hardly alive.

[shermanang]

Component 3 contain MG,Reef Mineral Salt,K and B

If we mix our own . Where to get B?
B is boron right?

[Aquaforest]

Component 3 contain MG,Reef Mineral Salt,K and B

If we mix our own . Where to get B?
B is boron right?

Reef Mineral Salt contain B.

[shermanang]

Thank You

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[JonMayo]

Quick question. I have a 90gal aquarium with the following readings
Mg 1400
Ca 400
dKh 8.4
I have component 1, 2, 3. I have doses with #2 only at 150cc to increase my akalinity prior to my first dose my reading was only 6.8. I dosed again today and will recheck tomorrow. I dose manually and will do so about 3/week. My question is at what point at should I be using all 3 components and at what doses?

[Bronx19]

Had an interesting conversation today regarding 123. Are we supposed to dose per our dkh consumption or per water volume?

[Bracka345]

Hello, Looking to start dosing Components and was wondering whats the shelf life of the products if they haven't been opened? Reason asking is i want to buy a few bottles of each to have as backups.

[Rebnik]

I have a question regarding Component 123 - I'm using it and also with Zeo Mix / Carbon / Phosphate Minus in one reactor for nutrient control. Just wondering if the Zeo Mix will deplete the trace element from the dosing of Component 123?

And the sequence: Component 123 is dosed behind the Zeo/Carbon/Phosphate Minus reactor and directly pumped into the display tank by the main pump.

[Aquaforest]

Had an interesting conversation today regarding 123. Are we supposed to dose per our dkh consumption or per water volume?

Hello,
It should be dosing of course based on KH consumption.

Hello, Looking to start dosing Components and was wondering whats the shelf life of the products if they haven't been opened? Reason asking is i want to buy a few bottles of each to have as backups.

It could be used within few years....:)

I have a question regarding Component 123 - I'm using it and also with Zeo Mix / Carbon / Phosphate Minus in one reactor for nutrient control. Just wondering if the Zeo Mix will deplete the trace element from the dosing of Component 123?

And the sequence: Component 123 is dosed behind the Zeo/Carbon/Phosphate Minus reactor and directly pumped into the display tank by the main pump.

Zeo Mix could adsorb excess of trace elements but the main role is to adsorb ammonia and cut nitrifying process and don't let NO3 rise.

In our group we are supporting Aquaforest users and we have live chats with experts. Yesterday we spoke about Zeo Mix:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490485151247025/permalink/1817816118513925/

Regards,
Aquaforest

[Rebnik]

Hello,

Zeo Mix could adsorb excess of trace elements but the main role is to adsorb ammonia and cut nitrifying process and don't let NO3 rise.

In our group we are supporting Aquaforest users and we have live chats with experts. Yesterday we spoke about Zeo Mix:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490485151247025/permalink/1817816118513925/

Regards,
Aquaforest

Thanks for your prompt reply. :thumbsup: So this means Zeo Mix won't really deplete trace elements. How about carbon? Why I'm asking is because though my tank parameters are stable with the current volume of dosing, but at the pretty low range, esp. Alk. I'm thinking of pushing them up slowly with increasing the dosing but concerned about the affects from Zeo Mix and Carbon.

Alk: 6.2
Ca: 420
Mg: 1290
K: 380

BTW, I remember I ever asked a similar question on AF Facebook but seems no response. :sad2:

[justy]

So like the original method. When using 1,2 and 3 in equal parts for example 50ml of each for a total of 150ml. Do you need to the remove 150ml of tank water to keep the salinity in check?

As above I don't understand why you don't have to remove the same amount of tank water as you dose.
otherwise sodium chloride and mineral salts build up?
original balling method you remove tank water this makes sense to me unless I am missing something?
Many thanks justin

[Aquaforest]

There is no need to remove water.
We recommend to make water changes weekly.

Here you can read how reef Mineral Salt Works: https://aquaforest.eu/en/how-reef-mineral-salt-works/

[jtietz]

For water changes do you reccomend using reef salt or probiotic salt

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[Tastee]

Hi, I am a fairly new reefer using Aquaforest Component 1+2+3+ and Aquaforest reef salt. My tank is now 8 months old and currently has 8 fish, 5 snails, 1 coral banded shrimp and 5 corals, mainly leathers and Zooanthids. Tank is 244L total including sump. My dosing demands are currently quite low and from month 2 I stabilised dosing all components at 8 ml/day. That kept Alk around 10 dKh, Ca around 450 and Mg around 1450 ppm.

In the last 3 months I stocked up the fish (prior to that just 3). This with some overfeeding led to some GHA, and Phosphates rising to 0.24 ppm. They are now back to 0.04 ppm and I am targeting 0.02 ppm. GHA is receding.

My question is the dosing. In the last month Mg rose to 1600 and Ca to 500 ppm. Alk however dropped to 7 dKh. In response I have dropped my component 1+ and 3+ to 6 ml, and increased my 2+ to 10 ml 2 weeks ago. That has dropped Mg to 1440 and Ca to 460 ppm as tested last week. Alk stayed 7 so I increased that to 12 ml last week. I will test again this weekend.

I am hoping the low Alk is due to the water quality issues, and with time and regular WCs will stabilise. I aiming for a target of around 8-9 at this time but will of course monitor the tank and that may change. My Ca target is ~420 and Mg ~1400.

Aquaforest recommend dosing all components the same, which I obviously have not done, so I would like to hear anyone’s thoughts on this.

[jtietz]

My mag has always been high. I dose alk and cal now for a half year and my mag has never dropped. Its around 1500 with cal at 450 amd alk at 8.4. Not sure whyHi, I am a fairly new reefer using Aquaforest Component 1+2+3+ and Aquaforest reef salt. My tank is now 8 months old and currently has 8 fish, 5 snails, 1 coral banded shrimp and 5 corals, mainly leathers and Zooanthids. Tank is 244L total including sump. My dosing demands are currently quite low and from month 2 I stabilised dosing all components at 8 ml/day. That kept Alk around 10 dKh, Ca around 450 and Mg around 1450 ppm.

In the last 3 months I stocked up the fish (prior to that just 3). This with some overfeeding led to some GHA, and Phosphates rising to 0.24 ppm. They are now back to 0.04 ppm and I am targeting 0.02 ppm. GHA is receding.

My question is the dosing. In the last month Mg rose to 1600 and Ca to 500 ppm. Alk however dropped to 7 dKh. In response I have dropped my component 1+ and 3+ to 6 ml, and increased my 2+ to 10 ml 2 weeks ago. That has dropped Mg to 1440 and Ca to 460 ppm as tested last week. Alk stayed 7 so I increased that to 12 ml last week. I will test again this weekend.

I am hoping the low Alk is due to the water quality issues, and with time and regular WCs will stabilise. I aiming for a target of around 8-9 at this time but will of course monitor the tank and that may change. My Ca target is ~420 and Mg ~1400.

Aquaforest recommend dosing all components the same, which I obviously have not done, so I would like to hear anyone’s thoughts on this.

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[svandive]

I have a quick question I hope, I recently migrated form Triton Core 7 dosing to the Component 1+, 2+, 3+. I'm a bit shocked at the levels I'm dosing. I have a 180 Gallon tank with a 7 - 8 rather small SPS and a couple of LPS. My rock is extremely well covered in Coraline Algae. I'm dosing today at 200ml per component and my dKH is just barely at 8. Under Triton I typically held my dKH at 9.

My concern is 200ml daily seems like a great deal of components to dose per day. Any thoughts or comments on this level int his tank? I know it's extremely hard to know what my tanks demand would be but under triton, my daily dosing averaged about 40ml per component.

[Aquaforest]

I have a quick question I hope, I recently migrated form Triton Core 7 dosing to the Component 1+, 2+, 3+. I'm a bit shocked at the levels I'm dosing. I have a 180 Gallon tank with a 7 - 8 rather small SPS and a couple of LPS. My rock is extremely well covered in Coraline Algae. I'm dosing today at 200ml per component and my dKH is just barely at 8. Under Triton I typically held my dKH at 9.

My concern is 200ml daily seems like a great deal of components to dose per day. Any thoughts or comments on this level int his tank? I know it's extremely hard to know what my tanks demand would be but under triton, my daily dosing averaged about 40ml per component.

Hello,
Do you know your daily consumption of KH and Ca?
For 7-8 small SPS consumption is really high.