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iReef1234
02/12/2016, 04:33 PM
Are bounce mushrooms so expensive because they bud infrequently? I'm guessing not all mushrooms grow like crazy...?

organism
02/14/2016, 02:06 PM
They are outlandishly expensive because a fool and his money were lucky to ever get together in the first place. A lot are coming in wild now, as soon as people stop overpaying for them the prices will dive bomb.

sde1500
02/14/2016, 04:57 PM
Always hate that saying. To some, $600-$1000 isn't all that much.

MUCHO REEF
02/14/2016, 05:06 PM
They are outlandishly expensive because a fool and his money were lucky to ever get together in the first place. A lot are coming in wild now, as soon as people stop overpaying for them the prices will dive bomb.

I agree 100 % with this.

People who charge these prices are simply gouging. If someone wants to pay $ 600 - $1000 for a single polyp, is real sad. For those who want to pay it, go ahead. The rest of us do not.

Mooch

kcinnick
02/14/2016, 05:25 PM
These things are common, once the divers are pointed to collect the UGLY mushrooms with warts price will come down. Last one I saw at wholesale was $200 for one. When they didn't have a name they were $30 for a rock covered in them.

iReef1234
02/15/2016, 11:45 AM
So mainly you're paying for the name? Essentially?

jccaclimber
02/15/2016, 07:01 PM
You're paying for the fad, not because they grow slowly. It will pass, then the price will go, then the availability will too. In the town I used to live in back in Indiana pulsing xenia had a 6-12 month cycle:

It consistently ran $30 for a frag at the one LFS in town.
People would get it, grow it like a weed, and frag it.
Once the local market saturated people would drop prices, then start giving it away to get it out of their tanks.
The LFS would stop carrying it because it wouldn't sell (why buy from them when it is free).
People would stop growing it because it wouldn't bring them $, or because they tired of it taking over their tank.
Suddenly one day you wouldn't be able to find it. The LFS would start to stock it again, and the cycle would repeat.

Oddly the same thing happens with purple yumas there, I'm just sad I didn't see that until I moved away.

iReef1234
02/16/2016, 08:17 PM
You're paying for the fad, not because they grow slowly. It will pass, then the price will go, then the availability will too. In the town I used to live in back in Indiana pulsing xenia had a 6-12 month cycle:

It consistently ran $30 for a frag at the one LFS in town.
People would get it, grow it like a weed, and frag it.
Once the local market saturated people would drop prices, then start giving it away to get it out of their tanks.
The LFS would stop carrying it because it wouldn't sell (why buy from them when it is free).
People would stop growing it because it wouldn't bring them $, or because they tired of it taking over their tank.
Suddenly one day you wouldn't be able to find it. The LFS would start to stock it again, and the cycle would repeat.

Oddly the same thing happens with purple yumas there, I'm just sad I didn't see that until I moved away.

While your example is local, this type of boom and bust can occur across the country bc internet sales then?

jccaclimber
02/16/2016, 09:04 PM
While your example is local, this type of boom and bust can occur across the country bc internet sales then?

I would assume so. I've had times when I've gone looking for what seemed like a basic item and not seen it.

I'm just speculating it this point, but online sales in bulk have two sources, importers and propagation places. If they decide something isn't profitable, they'll stop stocking it. I'm sure someone will always have it, but I could see availability decreasing. I don't really follow online store coral sales much, but can you think of something that used to be common but that you don't really see anymore?

Tweaked
02/17/2016, 10:30 AM
About to trade one of my JB babies a friend gave me for a split of a WWC Bounce, so pretty excited about that. I pay high prices for acros, but that's cause I'm crazy like that. Still not convinced they aren't injecting them with another corals proteins to get that reaction...

Opus123
02/18/2016, 05:20 PM
About to trade one of my JB babies a friend gave me for a split of a WWC Bounce, so pretty excited about that. I pay high prices for acros, but that's cause I'm crazy like that. Still not convinced they aren't injecting them with another corals proteins to get that reaction...

If they were injecting them would you still have the same reaction after 2 years and would the babies also have the same reaction?

Opus123
02/18/2016, 05:22 PM
These things are common, once the divers are pointed to collect the UGLY mushrooms with warts price will come down. Last one I saw at wholesale was $200 for one. When they didn't have a name they were $30 for a rock covered in them.

The WWC Bounce has been around for a few years and I have yet to see another wild one show up just like it. Most other shrooms you can find multiples of them. I still see shrooms today that were being collected back in the 90's.

Tweaked
02/19/2016, 09:46 AM
The WWC Bounce has been around for a few years and I have yet to see another wild one show up just like it. Most other shrooms you can find multiples of them. I still see shrooms today that were being collected back in the 90's.

It also broke the record for single most expensive polyp ever sold at $6,000.00

BeanMachine
02/19/2016, 10:03 AM
The WWC Bounce has been around for a few years and I have yet to see another wild one show up just like it. Most other shrooms you can find multiples of them. I still see shrooms today that were being collected back in the 90's.

Agreed. I keep hearing that more are being collected, but yet to see proof of those statements.

It is annoying though that any rhodactis with a bubble or two is now being referred to as a bounce whether or not they are actually unique or pretty for that matter. Brown mushroom with a clear bubble for sale... its a bounce... $400 each. :fun4:

MUCHO REEF
02/19/2016, 11:37 AM
May I ask what is the allure?

Does everyone believe they are rare?

Or is it just the visual appeal, the color and the bubble?

Thx.

MUCHO REEF

Opus123
02/19/2016, 11:57 AM
May I ask what is the allure?

Do you believe they are rare?

Or is it just the visual appeal, the color and the bubble?

Thx.

MUCHO REEF

I currently believe they are rare. As BeanMachine stated, we keep seeing posts claiming they are being imported but I have yet to see that materialize. Until I see proof, I think the WWC Bounce was a one of a kind. Now was that 1 shroom or did they get a rock full of them, I don't know. If there are more than one of certain corals, you will see it show up around the same time at different vendors. There are several examples of this where 2 vendors will half a coral and each puts their name on it. There are other times a wholesaler will get in several pieces of a unique coral and it will show up at several vendors. Again, this never happened with the WWC Bounce. I've seen other "bounce" shrooms show up at different vendors and they each throw a different name on it.

So my take, the WWC Bounce is rare and I really like mine. Now I got it at a great price and I wouldn't pay over a couple hundred for one but that is my limit on any coral. I've wanted a master scoly for many years but I refuse to pay $500 to $1000 for one.

The bounce craze is out of control. I've seen too many shrooms at frag swaps for hundreds of dollars and they have no more than a few bumps on them, not even true bubbles. We've got a couple of LFS that try this but I don't think anyone is buying them. I've seen them calling normal St Thomas shrooms bounces.

MUCHO REEF
02/19/2016, 12:11 PM
Hey thanks for the reply.

I want to have an open conversation with you on this topic as I want to share something with you regarding these shrooms or anyone who wants to join in. No tricks, no darts, no gimmicks, no flames or no games. Just a straight up adult dialogue, can we?

Mooch

sde1500
02/19/2016, 01:38 PM
Can't say I took his response to be flaming or anything..

MUCHO REEF
02/19/2016, 01:42 PM
Can't say I took his response to be flaming or anything..


My friend, neither did I. I was speaking of the conversation we are about to have.

organism
02/19/2016, 02:03 PM
I currently believe they are rare. As BeanMachine stated, we keep seeing posts claiming they are being imported but I have yet to see that materialize. Until I see proof, I think the WWC Bounce was a one of a kind.

I know of three different wholesalers who are currently importing them. Two in LA and one in FL, at a price where full big 2-3" mushrooms should retail for $130-200, making small of them worth about $30-40, $50-60 if you want to make a big profit. They post pictures of them on facebook in mushroom groups if you need proof, tons out there it's just the same scammy vendors picking them up and holding them kind of like how diamond companies do.

Said it before I'll say it again: the moment people stop overpaying for them the prices will dive bomb because the supply right now far exceeds the demand. Until then there's too many people who for some reason or another are making the active choice to "currently believe they are rare." 100% of those people coincidentally own a WWC jawbreaker.

Opus123
02/19/2016, 02:15 PM
I'm not on facebook so can't see anything there. I signed up one time so I could get in on these giveaways vendors do by liking them on facebook. Went back to the account after a few monhts, mind you other than signing up I hadn't been on my account and hadn't liked anything or had any friends, and the account had been taken over by some girl in Asia. No idea how they did it. Apparently they left my email on the account because I had to do a password reset and the email came to me. Closed the account and haven't been back.

Tweaked
02/19/2016, 02:33 PM
Copied from elsewhere

To be clear, very few of the bubbly Rhodactis, even the top shelf rainbow bullseye mushrooms, are anywhere near the same caliber as the O.G. World Wide Corals Bounce Mushroom with the enlarged orange vesicles. But before this shroom earned the title of “bounce”, it was simply a beautifuly colored rainbow Rhodactis with a lot of potential.here is a phenomenon among Rhodactis in particular, in which a certain set of parameters give the corallimorph polyps the cue to develop enlarged pseudotentacles. In some cases the pseudotentacles are branched but in the more familiar instance, the namesake of the bounce shroom is the enlargement of spheroid shaped vesicles.

We’ve actually seen this in the wild, where one large colonial mat of Rhodactis mushrooms will be all one color, and just a select few polyps will display enlarged pseudotentacles. It’s worthwhile to note that we have only seen this development in shallow colonies of Rhodactis, but never in deep water colonies of will Rhodactis.

With these observations in mind, we personally believe that lighting is the main factor in the development of bounce, flame and other enlarged portions of Rhodactis polyps. It is completely reasonable to believe that the new lighting technologies we are currently using, particularly with huge spikes in blue spectrum, are partly responsible for the surge of the Bounce phenomenon we are seeing in more and more Rhodactis.

Aquarists have noticed unusual formations and developments in aquarium grown Rhodactis mushrooms for years now, but the development of the OG Bounce Shroom really put the phenomenon on the map. The huge demand for Bounce and similar Rhodactis shrooms has encouraged collectors to round up lots of colonies and single polyps of bullseye shrooms, and we recently had the chance to see a large crop of these in Jakarta before being distributed to the global aquarium market.

The basket full of rainbow bullseye and proto-bounce shrooms we looked over at ReefMaster Indonesia may look like quite a haul. Keep in mind that these are the cream of the crop, with three more kinda nice green Rhodactis for every one truly colorful rhodactis shroom with the potential for enlarged and bounce vesicles.

Furthermore, these thirty polyps are the only supply for a single exporter for a month, and these will be scattered to better importers and reef shops in all four corners of the globe. Such a limited supply countered by an overwhelming demand has made just about every kind of decent Rhodactis a pretty hot commodity.

sde1500
02/19/2016, 03:32 PM
I know of three different wholesalers who are currently importing them. Two in LA and one in FL, at a price where full big 2-3" mushrooms should retail for $130-200, making small of them worth about $30-40, $50-60 if you want to make a big profit. They post pictures of them on facebook in mushroom groups if you need proof, tons out there it's just the same scammy vendors picking them up and holding them kind of like how diamond companies do.

Said it before I'll say it again: the moment people stop overpaying for them the prices will dive bomb because the supply right now far exceeds the demand. Until then there's too many people who for some reason or another are making the active choice to "currently believe they are rare." 100% of those people coincidentally own a WWC jawbreaker.


These wholesalers sell to the public at all? What are their names if you don't mind me asking?

BeanMachine
02/19/2016, 03:39 PM
I know of three different wholesalers who are currently importing them. Two in LA and one in FL, at a price where full big 2-3" mushrooms should retail for $130-200, making small of them worth about $30-40, $50-60 if you want to make a big profit. They post pictures of them on facebook in mushroom groups if you need proof, tons out there it's just the same scammy vendors picking them up and holding them kind of like how diamond companies do.

Said it before I'll say it again: the moment people stop overpaying for them the prices will dive bomb because the supply right now far exceeds the demand. Until then there's too many people who for some reason or another are making the active choice to "currently believe they are rare." 100% of those people coincidentally own a WWC jawbreaker.

None of those look like the WWC OG Bounce bro. I've seen the same on Facebook as well.

Jawbreakers are definitely not rare. And neither are the OG Bounces now, its just they are really killer in person and highly sought after.

Tweaked
02/19/2016, 06:43 PM
His phone wouldn't get the orange but did buy from WWC. Trading one of my baby JBs for his baby split here.

http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/TweakedS10/media/1A3EBF78-D26A-47EB-BF0C-365B76107445_zpsnrbd11yi.mp4.html

mussel and hate
02/20/2016, 03:48 PM
Always hate that saying. To some, $600-$1000 isn't all that much.

This is good news indeed. I have some very rare specimens to sell to customers with such means and discretion :spin2:

Tweaked
02/21/2016, 06:26 AM
Made the swap yesterday. Here she is fresh in my tank

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg485/TweakedS10/1B047295-34E8-4366-982B-5A31CE620123_zpsz1qqzcki.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/TweakedS10/media/1B047295-34E8-4366-982B-5A31CE620123_zpsz1qqzcki.jpg.html)

sde1500
02/26/2016, 02:25 PM
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54814913e4b0bcb32ad4a7e6/54cc4e5be4b0c5c90aee78d7/56bc5910b654f9bbd0fbd870/1455184145012/IMG_6863+crop+wm.jpg?format=750w

ADC has a 3" one for sale right now.

Tweaked
02/28/2016, 07:24 AM
Mine is coming along

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg485/TweakedS10/AB512540-D084-4379-A891-D198D582CE4C_zpssvb9nurf.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/TweakedS10/media/AB512540-D084-4379-A891-D198D582CE4C_zpssvb9nurf.jpg.html)

amore169
02/28/2016, 10:41 AM
Do u have a pic of the mother Tweaked?

Tweaked
02/28/2016, 10:51 AM
Do u have a pic of the mother Tweaked?

I do not. I traded with a buddy. A baby JawBreaker for a Baby WWC Bounce. I was given two JBs by a good friend so I am stoked to have one of each for nothing. Still some good guys out there for sure.

teemee
02/28/2016, 01:42 PM
The WWC Bounce has been around for a few years and I have yet to see another wild one show up just like it. Most other shrooms you can find multiples of them. I still see shrooms today that were being collected back in the 90's.

come to toronto, i don't hesitate to say that probably a dozen people have them, and not from the lfs that has a pretty big colony of them - imho even nicer than the WWC bounce.
Several people bought them at around $500CAD last year, and I suspect each and everyone of them bought them with the intention of fragging clones.

MUCHO REEF
02/28/2016, 02:11 PM
Are bounce mushrooms so expensive because they bud infrequently? I'm guessing not all mushrooms grow like crazy...?

No sir, they are expensive because someone has lied to you that they are rare, uncommon and believe me, they bud just as quick as any other mushrooms I've owned. Many simply know more about names, prices etc, then they do about growing this very common Rhodactis mushroom. It's funny how you only see them is saturated blue ( actinics) only and in tiny or single polyps. I've owned numerous variants in the past 13 years, some the same colors you see today. They proliferated so rapidly that I had to split most of my colonies in half and remove half of them, and trust me, they were huge polyps. Anyone who really knows these Corallimorphs can tell you how to make them bubble up. These claims you hear are nothing more than another attempt to hype something that someone someday wants to sell to you to pay their mortgage off.

MUCHO REEF

sde1500
02/28/2016, 02:21 PM
What's wrong with liking the look of blue lights?

And do you still have them? Share some pics!

Tweaked
02/29/2016, 08:55 AM
Not all sales are people lying to us lol. It's a hobby and these animals are free to expensive. You just have to get out and meet some fellow reefers and go to local swaps and shows. Not all are out to rip you! I have two so called expensive mushrooms now, paid $0.00.

Tweaked
02/29/2016, 08:57 AM
What's wrong with liking the look of blue lights?


Nothing at all, like what you like. I personally love when the halides and t5s are off, and the reefbrites are all on. That is just my preference though.

pfan151
02/29/2016, 12:52 PM
What's wrong with liking the look of blue lights?

And do you still have them? Share some pics!

Nothing wrong with liking the blue lights but it doesn't show what any coral actually looks like. Might be nice if sellers posted a pic under normal lighting conditions and one under actinics. Tweaked's picture looks reasonable, the other ADC one is not.

Opus123
02/29/2016, 02:33 PM
What's wrong with liking the look of blue lights?

And do you still have them? Share some pics!

Nothing. That is about all I ever see my coral under. By the time I get home from work it is time for the white lights to go off.

Tweaked
03/01/2016, 06:13 AM
Nothing. That is about all I ever see my coral under. By the time I get home from work it is time for the white lights to go off.

Bingo, and when I see pics like the above, that's how they will look in my tank. It's all good

sde1500
03/01/2016, 07:23 AM
Exactly my point. I think the corals look awesome under the blue light. Fish not as much so I enjoy seeing them at different times. Never understood saying a blue pic isn't how the coral will look. Yes, it will look like that when viewed under blue light that many like.

BeanMachine
03/01/2016, 11:10 AM
Nothing wrong with liking the blue lights but it doesn't show what any coral actually looks like. Might be nice if sellers posted a pic under normal lighting conditions and one under actinics. Tweaked's picture looks reasonable, the other ADC one is not.

99 percent of our lights are blue... maybe not pure led blue but they are not white.

BeanMachine
03/01/2016, 11:11 AM
No sir, they are expensive because someone has lied to you that they are rare, uncommon and believe me, they bud just as quick as any other mushrooms I've owned. Many simply know more about names, prices etc, then they do about growing this very common Rhodactis mushroom. It's funny how you only see them is saturated blue ( actinics) only and in tiny or single polyps. I've owned numerous variants in the past 13 years, some the same colors you see today. They proliferated so rapidly that I had to split most of my colonies in half and remove half of them, and trust me, they were huge polyps. Anyone who really knows these Corallimorphs can tell you how to make them bubble up. These claims you hear are nothing more than another attempt to hype something that someone someday wants to sell to you to pay their mortgage off.

MUCHO REEF

Do you have a WWC Bounce? Just curious.

pfan151
03/01/2016, 11:34 AM
99 percent of our lights are blue... maybe not pure led blue but they are not white.

I understand everyone has blue lights on their tank but the picture posted above is nothing close to what that mushroom looks like and under any kind of normal lighting. I can make a $10 acan look highlighter orange under my blue LEDs but when it's blended with the whites it makes the coral look the way it actually looks. I guess some people are fine with paying for a coral that doesn't look anything like the pictures posted in ads though.

Opus123
03/01/2016, 02:13 PM
I understand everyone has blue lights on their tank but the picture posted above is nothing close to what that mushroom looks like and under any kind of normal lighting. I can make a $10 acan look highlighter orange under my blue LEDs but when it's blended with the whites it makes the coral look the way it actually looks. I guess some people are fine with paying for a coral that doesn't look anything like the pictures posted in ads though.

I agree somewhat but I do think most like to look at their tanks with a lot of blue. There used to be a vendor that would post all their pics with one under "normal" lighting and one under just blue leds. I also remember a vendor that would get crucified because he was posting pics under T5's and everyone complained that he ran too many blue tubes and it wasn't normal. Now most of the T5 setups I see run exactly what he was running. Reefing has exploded in the last 5 years and I think a lot of it has to do with led lighting.

I guess in the perfect world a vendor would post a pic in 10k, led and a non macro shot. I've seen some vendors that pics are so macro I can't tell what the coral is.

I posted on a Julian Sprung thread to see if he knows anything about the bounce and if there is evidence that it is just lighting causing the bubbles. Hoping he answers my post and has some insight.

Tweaked
03/01/2016, 02:28 PM
I said it before lol, what if they are injecting with another corals proteins and this is the reaction. I recently saw 6 corals all come in dyed that same green yellow we've all seen in the past. This happens across the pond and sometimes wonder what tricks they will try next.

PS, The dye was on two leathers, 2 tongue corals, and two goniporas. Sad, because once the dye bleeds out all that is left is a solid white zoox free animal starving for food...

Vteclover
03/12/2016, 01:23 AM
Some zoanthids and bounce are indeed overpriced
Maybe bounce are expensive becouse they spread so slow???
I have many rhodactis that split like crazy.
This "bounce" took 16 months to split
I saw these toxic bounce selled for 600$ Out there with you guys???? Thats crazy and overpriced !!!
Myself i wont pay-sell more than between 100-200$ for a bounce like this and even better,trade for something else "special"
But trading would be difficult since i live ik belgium :-)
http://s7.postimg.org/ltcgdqmzv/image.jpg

fity2pounder
03/30/2016, 03:25 PM
So without going to a bunch of local swaps or having a bunch of coral friends (neither of which really interest me at all), where is the best place to get a bounce for a good price? And what is considered a good price at this point in time?

Tweaked
04/04/2016, 09:51 AM
You don't like coral swaps or coral friends? Hmmm ok :sad2:

What are you looking for, the unique kind like the WWC bounce, or just a random bubbled rhodactis? The can go from $100 - $300 for the more common ones.

Bratyboy2
04/05/2016, 02:41 AM
Im curious as to whats the special lighting needed to make them bubble? If its ao easy why isnt this been said already? You said the shallows is where its more common so are we talking very little blue and intense white lighting?

Bratyboy2
04/05/2016, 02:42 AM
Also does this go for any rhodactis? Or a specific variety?

Tweaked
04/06/2016, 01:21 PM
Rhodactis yes, and I have read that they seem to be found in the shallow pools. Still need more info, but a buddy of mine had one for a year that just started to bubble big time. 14" shallow tank six T5s, but again, no idea if light was the cause, but out of nowhere, large bubbles emerged months later.

Bratyboy2
04/06/2016, 01:39 PM
Ya seems like what reef builders said about them that 6 months and they can start bubbling. Im curious to find a couple and put them under the intense blue lights with a little white and see what happens

Tweaked
04/06/2016, 01:42 PM
Ya seems like what ************ said about them that 6 months and they can start bubbling. Im curious to find a couple and put them under the intense blue lights with a little white and see what happens

Basically what my buddy runs on his shallow reef. I am a believer it can happen over time to an otherwise "normal" rhodactis cause I saw it with my own eyes.

Bratyboy2
04/06/2016, 01:43 PM
Lol ya i have a superman one...hope it does it but im not sure its the right variety to