New Green Gig arrived

[pfan151]

My iPhone takes terrible pics with the leds in my tank but this is a pic about 5 mins after it went in the tank with the white and blue LEDs on.

Pretty happy with this one. It was sticky and attached almost immediately . Mouth seems pretty well closed already. I turned the vortech off to give it some time to get well anchored. Planning to turn it back on when I get home from work this afternoon.

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[jah hoeva]

Nice looking specimen. Did you quarantine it at all?

[pfan151]

Nice looking specimen. Did you quarantine it at all?

No, it's the only anemone in this tank so I didn't see the point of putting it in QT. I'm going to see how it goes and I can pull it and treat it with cipro in QT if it does look good over the next couple days.

[CorbinSawyer]

It's really beautiful

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[pfan151]

It's really beautiful

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Thanks. I'm hoping I come home to it fully inflated and looking great. It's my first gig. I've had haddonis in the past but this is the first time for the gigs. I found a nice rock that is kind of L shaped so I'm hoping it likes tucking it's foot in the crevice.

[dieselkeeper]

I've been looking for a gig for a long time. Where did you get it from? A LFS?

[pfan151]

I've been looking for a gig for a long time. Where did you get it from? A LFS?

Fish store in MA called Aqua Dreams.

[OrionN]

Looking good. Keep us update.

[pfan151]

Moved a little while I was at work. Mouth seems mostly closed. Not quite all the way yet. Turned the vortech back on. The mouth seemed to close more after that.

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[pfan151]

Looks like I spoke too soon on being optimistic. It looked amazing this morning when I woke up. I went to work and came home expecting it to be fully expanded and looking great but instead it was shriveled up and almost totally unattached from the rock. Put him in the treatment tank about an hour ago. Pretty surprised it turned so bad in 8 hrs.

[taylor t]

Do you have a video of the flow you're giving it?

[pfan151]

Do you have a video of the flow you're giving it?

Not now. I have it in the qt. It was getting flow from an mp10 on reef crest mode with most of the flow hitting it after bouncing off the side of the tank. It was getting pretty decent flow but not getting totally blasted. Now I just have a koralia in the qt.

[pfan151]

Guessing this isn't good. Looked great all day in the treatment tank but now it looks like this after the lights have been off for a few hours.

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[ThRoewer]

Looks like it closed - while not typical for gigs, I wouldn't worry about it too much if it is looking OK while the light is on.

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[pfan151]

Looks like it closed - while not typical for gigs, I wouldn't worry about it too much if it is looking OK while the light is on.

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Back to looking good this morning. The foot is still only half attaching though

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[Postal]

Did you check the foot for any tears?

[pfan151]

Did you check the foot for any tears?

Didn't see any obvious damage.

[pfan151]

Made it through its first day where I didn't see any deflations. The whole anemone is very sticky, but the foot still doesn't want to attach. It mostly stays in place now because of the stickyness of the underside of the disc. Aside from that it seems to keep a closed mouth and looks to be in pretty good shape. It looks pretty identical to the last pic I posted now. My LEDs for the QT arrived yesterday and it seemed to immediately perk up when those replaced the little clamp on light I had been using.

[D-Nak]

Take it out of the bowl and see if it attaches to the tank. Sometimes gigs like flow around their foot. It'll also makes it easier to remove anything that collects under the nem. Acclimating gigs often times slough off what looks like dead skin, like when a snake sheds. This can be removed with a turkey baster.

[pfan151]

Take it out of the bowl and see if it attaches to the tank. Sometimes gigs like flow around their foot. It'll also makes it easier to remove anything that collects under the nem. Acclimating gigs often times slough off what looks like dead skin, like when a snake sheds. This can be removed with a turkey baster.

I tried that last night for a couple hours. I turned the flow off to give it a chance to attach but when I turned the flow back on it started floating around. I'll try again tonight. Hopefully the better lighting will make it want to attach.

[nemguy]

I got a blue gig almost a week ago got it Thursday it had cuts on the bottom of its foot and wouldn't attach until yesterday and it's still not fully attached to the qt tank but he's healing and attached even more today maybe it's the same with yours did you check the bottom of the foot?


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[pfan151]

I got a blue gig almost a week ago got it Thursday it had cuts on the bottom of its foot and wouldn't attach until yesterday and it's still not fully attached to the qt tank but he's healing and attached even more today maybe it's the same with yours did you check the bottom of the foot?


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Checked the foot. Didn't see anything abnormal.

[pfan151]

After the cipro I am planning to keep it in the QT tank for another couple weeks assuming everything goes well. If I put a well seeded marine pure block in the tank would 100% daily water changes still be needed?

[nemguy]

Yeah I would do a 100% after each 24 hours and I wouldn't use the block assuming it is a sponge filter they utilize bacteria filtration and cipro is a broad spectrum treatment used to kill bacteria so the spong filtration will be useless and I tried doing 50% water changes and it didn't work that well so I went to 100% and it is working a lot better so far


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[nemguy]

You want the water to always be fresh so the gig has a better chance to heal and get better


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[D-Nak]

Yeah I would do a 100% after each 24 hours and I wouldn't use the block assuming it is a sponge filter they utilize bacteria filtration and cipro is a broad spectrum treatment used to kill bacteria so the spong filtration will be useless and I tried doing 50% water changes and it didn't work that well so I went to 100% and it is working a lot better so far


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He's talking about after treatment is over.

If the nem isn't expelling anything and the water remains clear, after the final treatment with Cipro and one last 100% water change, there's no need to continue doing full water changes. I use Seachem ammonia alert tags on my QT tanks so I can see at first glance if the water should be changed.

[pfan151]

Here it is today. A little shrunken down but not deflated. I'm assuming it might have shrunken down a little because of the new lights that are much stronger? Mouth was slightly open when I got home but closed up when I was doing the water change.

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[D-Nak]

It's looking good: holding itself upright on its own extending over the bowl to get flow, characteristic folds of the oral disc, appears to be fully expanded. Next you'll see the tentacles start to expand.

Congrats!

[nemguy]

Looks good so glad it's doing better just remember don't stop treatment early just because it looks better best to do it for the full 7-10 days :) I've stopped before that only to have my anemone get sick again in display rank best of luck keep them pics coming such an awesome animal!


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[jah hoeva]

That last picture you posted looks awesome. Beautiful animal!

[pfan151]

Unfortunately that has been the last time it's looked good. Not sure what is going on with it now but it spent most of the day yesterday balled up like in one of the pics above. Still won't attach to anything. Not sure what to try at this point. I am going to stop cipro tonight. It usually seems to look worse after the cipro is added to the water. I've still been doing 100% daily waterchanges but it doesn't seem to matter.

[nemguy]

It should matter as long as it's balled up and not shrinking how many days of treatment has it been? I stopped after 7 on a new gig I had and then I had to put it back into qt because it got sick again:(


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[pfan151]

Started dosing on the evening of the 10th.

[nemguy]

Okay so take him off treatment and move him to display turn off power heads etc and just let him sit for maybe 5/6 hours with the light on him and see if he attaches he might just want more light and flow


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[D-Nak]

Okay so take him off treatment and move him to display turn off power heads etc and just let him sit for maybe 5/6 hours with the light on him and see if he attaches he might just want more light and flow


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Moving it into the display is not a good idea if the nem is dying. If it dies in the tank it could start to fall apart making removal very difficult. It could also expel all of its nematocysts and effectively "nuke" the tank.

100% water changes -- assuming the water parameters are correct -- should provide the same, if not better conditions than the DT.

Gigs typically attach to any surface when healthy, then crawl to a place that suits them. They're not like BTAs which detach and float around until they find a place that they like.

[nemguy]

Well the way he is staying it is that it's not shrinking it's just closing up which I know from experience is one of the ways a gig will react to cipro when it's introduced to the water


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[D-Nak]

Well the way he is staying it is that it's not shrinking it's just closing up which I know from experience is one of the ways a gig will react to cipro when it's introduced to the water


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I don't understand what you're saying.

If he's doing a 100% water change, then there is no Cipro.

[pfan151]

It's about half open now. Still not looking great. I did a 100% waterchange and did not add cipro today. Just going to see how it does at this point I think. The cloudiness in the pic is the glass of the tank, not the water.

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[D-Nak]

It's about half open now. Still not looking great. I did a 100% waterchange and did not add cipro today. Just going to see how it does at this point I think. The cloudiness in the pic is the glass of the tank, not the water.

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During your next water change, make sure to wipe down the tank when there isn't any water in it to remove the algae/build-up on the bottom. If the nem isn't attached to the bowl, carefully remove it from the bowl. With a clean surface, the anemone should attach. Slowly fill up the tank, then turn on the flow (assuming the nem is attached).

[nemguy]

Do you give it the full amount of light in qt?


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[pfan151]

Do you give it the full amount of light in qt?


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It's got a Mars Aqua 165w on it turned to about 1/2 intensity.

[nemguy]

Okay awesome I use the same thing I just go 100% on blues 50% on whites to cut on algae growth


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[taylor t]

I agree with D-Nak. Wipe down the tank and rinse well between 100% changes. I know you say it's not attaching, but keep it with high flow. They will live a very, VERY, long time with flow that is too high, and, THAT, will keep them from disintegrating - they may not look too hot, but will keep them from melting overnight. Too low flow, they rot quick and continue to go down. If you can catch it fully inflated, do what ever it takes to keep it that way, alter lights, alter flow, mess with water, etc. They're not all the same. Some like high flow, some like low. High flow is healthier for them, but some will look good with low flow. Not all the same. They can be a very slow turn around.

Try changing your lights too. Raise them up (distance), and intensify them. I know, sounds silly. Try it. Time going by with no changes is a problem. Keep doing 100% changes every day. Sometimes all efforts won't work, too much time goes by or the specimen is in poor shape to start. Best of luck.

[pfan151]

Decided to put it in the display. The cipro didn't seem to be changing anything. I'm hoping with the display being more stable it will do better. I think it looks reasonably healthy but it will not stick it's foot to anything at all. If I turn the flow up it just tumbles around.

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[MikeyAl]

How long was it in qt with cipro treatment?


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[pfan151]

10 day treatment

[nemguy]

I guess just keep a close eye and search for improvements maybe turn flow on let it bounce around. And cover power heads until it finds a spot it's unusual though because gigs tend to attach and crawl where they want :/


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[taylor t]

If you can make a deep crevice for it to sit in up high, for good flow and lights, but surrounded by rocks to keep it from floating away. They seem to like the foot to be surrounded by rocks, mine like a rock pile surrounding their foot the best. Kind of like making a rock circle for the camp fire. If you can make a good place for it to take foot, it will turn around. You've treated it, now you need to figure out what makes it happy. Making that can be tricky sometimes. Best of luck.

[OrionN]

You can also bring the bowl over to DT and Lea e him in ther for a while and see what happen.

[pfan151]

I had a nice bowl shaped rock so I'm trying that out. Seems to be looking ok. Still not as nice as when it first arrived though. I'm hoping it will decide to attach now. I turned the flow down. Mouth is a little open about half the time and closed the rest of the time.

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