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d2mini
07/01/2016, 07:45 AM
I don't know where this is going to go, but here it is at about 3 weeks old.
If all goes as hoped, it may get pretty ugly. haha
But going to try to keep the front pane clean so we can see what's going on.
The goal is to grow several different types of macros for different nutrient absorption.
I'm lighting it with the full spectrum Mars Hydro 300.
I've had Cheatomorpha since the start, and just added Gracilaria Hayi (red), Halimeda Opuntia (green), and Hypnea Pannosa (blue).

But the mystery is what's growing on the wall.
It's large single leaves, bright green, real thin and translucent, kinda reminds me of lettuce.

Any ideas?

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4rFdjD5/0/O/i-4rFdjD5.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-B29km2L/0/O/i-B29km2L.jpg

reefwiser
07/01/2016, 08:42 AM
Very nice Dennis

saltwater sam
07/03/2016, 04:47 PM
Gorgeous! Great colors in there!

Michael Hoaster
07/03/2016, 11:06 PM
Nice!

Looks like an encrusting cousin of Ulva.

d2mini
07/12/2016, 01:41 PM
More recent pic...

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Z3HZ8Bq/0/XL/i-Z3HZ8Bq-XL.jpg

Michael Hoaster
07/12/2016, 02:54 PM
Gorgeous! You may want to export some chaeto at some point, since it appears to be the fastest grower you have. It can get out of hand very quickly!

jraker
07/12/2016, 04:28 PM
Very nice. I like that you mixed several species of decorative macro in there also.

KrazieKiKi
07/12/2016, 09:07 PM
Love the hypnea!!!! I wish I could get my hands on some for my tank


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jraker
07/12/2016, 11:12 PM
Love the hypnea!!!! I wish I could get my hands on some for my tank


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GCE (http://live-plants.com/) has some for sale.

KrazieKiKi
07/12/2016, 11:41 PM
GCE (http://live-plants.com/) has some for sale.



Thx for the heads up :) looking at the photo gorgs they have too!


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d2mini
07/14/2016, 03:01 PM
Yep, that's where I got most of my stuff! :)

BlueCat1949
07/14/2016, 09:00 PM
Looks like you are on the edge of a major problem with hair algae etc. Your lighting may be overkill or you may need to shorten the photoperiod.

Also your "halimeda opuntia" is actual mermaid's fan Udotea sp.

d2mini
07/15/2016, 07:54 AM
Looks like you are on the edge of a major problem with hair algae etc. Your lighting may be overkill or you may need to shorten the photoperiod.

Also your "halimeda opuntia" is actual mermaid's fan Udotea sp.

I always get that HA in my fuge. Yeah, the light is a powerhouse! I ran a 150w HPS light previously. :)

And I have both the halimeda and the mermaids fan.
Forgot to mention the mermaid fan in my initial post. It came from TBS.

Halimeda in the middle... from gulf coast ecosystems.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pcVc5fD/0/O/i-pcVc5fD.jpg

lifeoffaith
07/15/2016, 08:46 AM
Drooling!! I can't wait to get my seahorse tank going with some nice macros.

d2mini
07/21/2016, 09:32 AM
The Ulva started to show up on my sand bed in the display.
So before things got out of hand, I decided to nip it in the bud.
Backwards move for the fuge but figured I was only a month in anyway... better to take care of it now while it would be easier.

Took the whole sump offline, emptied it, dragged it outside and started cleaning.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-PdGkv6Q/0/O/i-PdGkv6Q.jpg


Back in the stand, reconnecting the plumbing.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-m2JLdVg/0/O/i-m2JLdVg.jpg

Most all the macros got trashed.
A couple things like the Codium I was able to clean off well enough that I knew for sure 100% of the Ulva was gone.
The rest wasn't worth the risk.
Brand new Chaeto and old Codium went in this Saturday evening and a fresh order of stuff from Live-Plants went in last night. :)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n9KvkLv/0/O/i-n9KvkLv.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N23ggTx/0/O/i-N23ggTx.jpg


So let's try this again! :lol:

jraker
07/21/2016, 10:01 AM
Good luck on the second time around.

madweazl
07/21/2016, 10:41 AM
Are you opposed to some type of substrate in the refugium? The graciliara in my refugium rooted (for lack of a better term) into the substrate and has been growing like a weed along with some caulerpa (prolifera, mexicana, and sertulariodes). The prolifera, mexicana, and graciliara definitely grow the fastest (very small amount of chaeto in there as well) for me. These by far outgrow the chaeto under a 6500k CFL (picked up a PAR38 with reds and a couple blues but havent hooked it up yet), I'm not sure if this is because of the light or some other factor. I separate them (the mexicana likes to grow into the graciliara) every week or so and toss some out.

I enjoy checking it out and leave that side of the stand open most of the time now.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy72/madweazl/ref1_zpserbkogcd.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/madweazl/media/ref1_zpserbkogcd.jpg.html)

d2mini
07/21/2016, 11:06 AM
Yeah, no substrate in the fuge, especially with the flow I have going through it.

That's cool that yours is doing that well. :)
Usually my cheato goes from baseball size to beachball size within a matter of weeks.

madweazl
07/21/2016, 11:45 AM
Yeah, no substrate in the fuge, especially with the flow I have going through it.

That's cool that yours is doing that well. :)
Usually my cheato goes from baseball size to beachball size within a matter of weeks.

Yea, my chaeto is broken LOL.

d2mini
07/29/2016, 09:22 AM
Refugium Progress Update after the redo:

This pic was taken 9 days ago.
The Chaeto had been in for 3 days at this point, and this was the day I added the additional macros.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n9KvkLv/0/O/i-n9KvkLv.jpg



And here is as of last night, 9 days later.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b6CJc4t/0/O/i-b6CJc4t.jpg



And a couple closeups...

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zkb8fdt/0/O/i-Zkb8fdt.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-tfRkFDC/0/O/i-tfRkFDC.jpg


I'd say that Mars Hydro 300 led is working out pretty well. :D
And yes... at this moment it's still spinning.

d2mini
07/29/2016, 09:27 AM
And here is a vid of it rotating. :)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-cKv0MLAy2E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


At it's current size, it is still tumbling, but has slowed down.
I expect it to stop soon as it gains friction from touching the side walls.
Last night my big red brittle star was going for a ride in the middle of the chaeto ball.
Then he decided he wanted out so he made his way to the bottom and stepped down on the floor of the fuge just like someone stepping off a slowly moving ferris wheel or ski chair lift. LOL!

Wish I could have gotten a vid of that.

d2mini
08/11/2016, 09:49 PM
So ummm... the chaeto has stopped spinning several days ago. I think it's safe to say it will not resume. :D
The other macros are still in there. Somewhere.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-f8jpQb6/0/O/i-f8jpQb6.jpg

jraker
08/11/2016, 10:01 PM
That's some great growth. You are dosing KNO3, right?

Michael Hoaster
08/11/2016, 10:37 PM
Nice! Well, like cleaning your skimmer collection cup, it's time to export some chaeto!

d2mini
08/12/2016, 09:55 AM
That's some great growth. You are dosing KNO3, right?
I haven't been good with keeping up with testing and figuring out my daily consumption so nitrates have dropped below 4 ppm again.
I need to get on that.

Nice! Well, like cleaning your skimmer collection cup, it's time to export some chaeto!
Actually, i'll be experimenting with leaving it in there since this is a Triton tank.
Should be interesting. :)
As long as it continues to grow, it's still sucking up nutrients. And if any of it dies off, it's releasing sugars and other stuff back into the water column to feed the tank.
What I'm not sure of right now is if I should occasional rotate it a bit by hand or just be completely hands off. I have a feeling Triton would recommend the latter.
I just want to make sure the other macros get the light they need.

Michael Hoaster
08/12/2016, 11:13 AM
Oh! I didn't realize Triton was a method. I just thought it was a tank brand or something. I'd never heard of it, so I googled. So, you dose their additives and send your water in for very precise testing. They then tell you how to tweak the dosing, and you don't do any water changes. Refugiums with plants are very important to this method, but you don't export any plant material? So the skimmer cup is the only export done? And, by leaving all plants in the system, everything they take up remains in the system, keeping parameters stable. Is that it basically? I'm sure I've left out some vital elements of it.

I'm always fascinated with new methods. Could you explain more on how you're applying this method to your tank?

My first impression is that they've found a great way to monetize a method; You use only their additives and their testing, at considerable expense. Obviously, this kind of technology isn't cheap, but it sounds very precise.

I love learning about new methods that fly in the face of convention. Here we all are, exporting, exporting, exporting, and they say no, you need to add this, this and this! I'm going to read more, and see what I can apply to my own methods.

d2mini
08/12/2016, 12:17 PM
Oh! I didn't realize Triton was a method. I just thought it was a tank brand or something. I'd never heard of it, so I googled. So, you dose their additives and send your water in for very precise testing. They then tell you how to tweak the dosing, and you don't do any water changes. Refugiums with plants are very important to this method, but you don't export any plant material? So the skimmer cup is the only export done? And, by leaving all plants in the system, everything they take up remains in the system, keeping parameters stable. Is that it basically? I'm sure I've left out some vital elements of it.

I'm always fascinated with new methods. Could you explain more on how you're applying this method to your tank?

My first impression is that they've found a great way to monetize a method; You use only their additives and their testing, at considerable expense. Obviously, this kind of technology isn't cheap, but it sounds very precise.

I love learning about new methods that fly in the face of convention. Here we all are, exporting, exporting, exporting, and they say no, you need to add this, this and this! I'm going to read more, and see what I can apply to my own methods.

You've pretty much got it. :)
The simplest way to describe it is running your tank in a very "natural" manner.
The refugium provides most of the filtration, along with a quality skimmer. Carbon is the only other thing that is recommended to run on and ongoing basis.
All parameters are meant to be run as close to NSW as possible, with Alk at 8.0 dkh.
The Triton Base Elements are comprised of 4 mixtures. Alk, Calc, Mag and then a bunch of minor elements that are found in NSW and industry salt mix.
The problem with using water changes to replenish these minor elements is that we have no idea how much is being used up, how much we are putting back in, and if we are putting back enough or too much. How would any imbalances effect the tank long term? What do all these minor elements do and how important are they? We don't know and neither does Triton, but the thinking is, if it's in NSW, then its a pretty safe bet that we should strive to keep it there.
So the Base Elements (4 dosing pumps needed) should provide everything you need and remove the guesswork.
Since every tank is different, these elements could be used up at various rates so the occasional tweak may be needed and these are provided separately to add more or you can then do some water changes to bring them back down if they are too high. But for the most part you should just need the 4. And they recommend a variety of macros because the tank sucks up or releases various nutrients at different times/rates. As these rise and fall the various macros should work together to keep things pretty stable. And as certain nutrients are depleted and certain macros die back, good stuff is released back into the tank to feed your coral and other organisms.

As far as expense is concerned, it's really no more expensive than traditional two-part dosing if you factor in the amount of money saved on doing regular water changes. And it's recommended to test just a few times a year to make sure nothing major is changing. Plus an extra few tests in the beginning just so you have a base, and then a couple to make sure you've got it dialed in.

Triton isn't selling a mystery potion. It's not about buying a bunch of blue bottles with undocumented ingredients, a strict regimen of daily dosing, pumping reactors, etc. What they are doing is providing a way for us to run our tanks as close to NSW as possible, in the most natural way possible, and providing a testing service that goes far beyond what is available in hobby test kit form to really make sure everything is on point and allowing us to nip any potentially devastating problems in the bud.

I'm only a few months in, but that's my general take on it so far. :)

Michael Hoaster
08/12/2016, 12:44 PM
Thanks for explaining, d2mini!

This makes a lot of sense. Eliminating the guesswork of what is needed with very precise testing, and they tell you exactly what to change in your dosing regime, allowing you to match natural seawater levels. This sounds very smart!

I didn't mean to imply a snake oil situation, just a proprietary one. I can see it saving you money long term by eliminating costly guess work mistakes.

I'd love to follow your progress on the overall system. Got a thread for it?

All of a sudden, I feel a bit like a cave man!

d2mini
08/12/2016, 12:54 PM
No worries, Michael!
I only mentioned all that because it's a common misconception when people see the word "Method". :)

Here's my build thread.
Thanks for taking a look!
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2570484

Michael Hoaster
08/16/2016, 04:04 PM
I read your thread. Awesome tank, super-clean system and pro photos to prove it! I've also been fascinated with the Triton method. It's pretty much the polar opposite of what I do!

That's another reason these forums are great - we get exposed to vastly different ideas, techniques and methods.