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Dogshowgrl
08/13/2016, 07:51 PM
PLEASE UNDERSTAND I DID NOT DO THIS.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND I AM TRYING TO DO RIGHT BY THIS ANIMAL.

I DID NOT BUY THIS SEAHORSE AND DO NOT BUY FROM THIS STORE.

I walked into a LFS that I NEVER go into for some live ghost shrimp. (not for feeding my ponies but for my other tank my good guy LFS was out and I was driving by, big mistake!) After some causal talking the owner realized I did seahorses and BEGGED me to see if there was something I could do. I ended up with 100 free shrimp and free dying seahorse. great weekend huh?

It is a WC full grown male erectus. I was told when they first got him he was eating live.... for the first two days. That was a month ago and they claim he hasn't eaten since. I took a step in the back and bit my tongue not to cuss them out or cry. But moving on for the uninformed people that anger me.

He has been in my care for 4 hours, I have done a pouch evac. and got him rolled over almost upright. But the problem is much bigger. He has external air bubbles EVERYWHERE. Snout, throat, around the pouch, and all down his tail. His tail is almost always breaking the surface of the water, and unless he is trying to hold a position his snout breaks the surface. He is not hitching to anything (although he was at the store, but not well.)

When I first saw him I thought I would just ease his pain and euthanize with clove oil, but I tossed a couple shrimp in and he chases them and tries to snick them, he can hit them but cant actually get them in his mouth (they are the smallest ones I have.)

Now my plan of attack is as long as he tries I will try.

the water parameters of the water he came in
S.G. 1.030+++
pH 8.4
Ammonia 1
Nitrite .5
Nitrates 50
Temp 82 (tank he was in when I bagged him)


So with things that extreme I can't just throw him in a new tank so I am dripping RODI slowly into a bucket and airline moving water over night until he gets to a point I can get the SG on the scale.
I keep reading not to lance these bubbles but the vet tech in me... thats hard. If it was just on his body or maybe a couple on his tail but this is more than that.

Plan from here
100% WC daily as needed to maintain water quality in un-cycled quarantine.
Slowly bring down SG to 1.020-1.022
sedate with clove oil lance bubbles and if time allows (10 minutes) tube feed I feel like he needs the calories from trying to stay upright, and If I have him sedated I need to take the opportunity
Kanamycin added to tank water

He is being kept in a separate room and I have a wash station before you get to any of my cultures or other tanks. I have worked many zoonotic quarantines so I tend to go over board.


Please advise.

Do I address any other issues or focus on getting him to eat? Deworm yet or wait? Is this plan reasonable? Try any FW dips for anything? How long?

Yes, I was hit with a stupid stick, but please be kind. He is still so active, not really depressed so I just cant bring myself to give up on him yet.

Many of you have read my post before and realize I am capable and passionate. I need you to be kind, I was not looking for this adventure just yet, but I feel it was necessary and I followed the rules. I didn't pay for him and I explained how they system was not setup for seahorses and to please refer seahorse people to research and go to the seahorse specialist store we have locally that is aqua-culturing them.

HELP!!!!
Many Thanks!!!
He fights, I fight!!

Dogshowgrl
08/13/2016, 07:52 PM
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08/13/2016, 07:52 PM
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08/13/2016, 07:53 PM
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farfromsea
08/14/2016, 12:34 AM
I don't know anything about seahorses but I was just reading about these bubbles because I was curious. Very sad that the LFS let this poor creature get in this state because it seems that this is something preventable?

Anyways just curious on your thoughts as to why you are lancing the bubbles versus doing treatments of acetazolamide because from my brief reading it seems that this is the preferred treatment. Is the use of acetazolamide outdated? Just curious not trying to question your method since I don't know anything.

Good luck with the rehabilitation/treatment. Will be cheering you on :)

OllieNZ
08/14/2016, 12:55 AM
I can't offer any advice sorry but it sounds like you've got the necessary skills.
Good luck

vlangel
08/14/2016, 06:02 AM
I think I would concentrate on getting him acclimated to good water quality and eating first before you try any real treatment. I have found if a fish is eating you have a good shot at saving it and from what I have read about WC seahorses, thats a biggie. All those bubbles may be the result of imbalances in his system due to the poor living conditions he was subjected to. If he can make the adjustment back to good water quality then perhaps his will to live and his body wil begin to right itself. No doubt at that point he will need some help like perhaps diamox which the vet you work for can probably prescribe. Its a medication for people with glaucoma (I believe) but has been found by seahorse keepers to have benefits for gas bubble disease. My instincts would be not to lance any of the gas bubbles because then he will have openings to his skin for infection to set in. I doubt in his weakened condition that he could fight that too.
Best of luck to you.

Dogshowgrl
08/14/2016, 06:13 AM
I don't know anything about seahorses but I was just reading about these bubbles because I was curious. Very sad that the LFS let this poor creature get in this state because it seems that this is something preventable?

Anyways just curious on your thoughts as to why you are lancing the bubbles versus doing treatments of acetazolamide because from my brief reading it seems that this is the preferred treatment. Is the use of acetazolamide outdated? Just curious not trying to question your method since I don't know anything.

Good luck with the rehabilitation/treatment. Will be cheering you on :)
I am not sure myself.

My thought is

He is not hitching.
That's fine, I understand. He is painful, I wouldn't want to hitch either.

And that is not enough of a reason to sedate and/or lance. However, he has a 1/4 of his tail that stays out of the water. I am not talking bobbing at the surface, I mean out of the water. His snout, all of the bubble on the tip (refer to photo) stay out of the water unless he is actively moving. This means even as simple as breathing, has been altered. They take water in through the snout and sides of gills when they breath, he only gets water in through his the sides.

He is not able to eat.
That's ok, in time we can get him able to.

But after I found out he hasn't really eaten in a month, I am concerned about his his caloric intake. He is working very hard to stay upright since he is too painful to hitch. If he is unable to take anything in, he will be susceptible to other ailments. I am not sure he could handle any more ailments, but I definitely do not want to find out.

But if I already have him sedated to lance things. That is my chance to tube feed as long as I stay under 10 minutes and his breathing stays steady. I have done procedures and biopsies before, but this still is a little unnerving.

Those are my concerns about the risks of not lancing. I feel like it's huge. Looking at him, gosh it's heartbreaking.

I understand the only risk I have read about is infection. IF THAT IS NOT TRUE PLEASE CORRECT ME! Well, infection I an doing a fresh bucket (100% water change) everyday and a FW dip and adding an antibiotic already. If his extremities that need it sent even wet well.... How does this help?

Pros vs cons.... I think I am making the best decision based on current situation, and research.

Dogshowgrl
08/14/2016, 06:20 AM
I have injectable metacam. I have read it can be used for pain management. I have dosages and things, but would this be any help? He can't use his body normally, the bubbles cause such lack of mobility. Should I worry about pain management once his body is closer to usable?

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Dogshowgrl
08/14/2016, 01:06 PM
I think I would concentrate on getting him acclimated to good water quality and eating first before you try any real treatment. I have found if a fish is eating you have a good shot at saving it and from what I have read about WC seahorses, thats a biggie. All those bubbles may be the result of imbalances in his system due to the poor living conditions he was subjected to. If he can make the adjustment back to good water quality then perhaps his will to live and his body wil begin to right itself. No doubt at that point he will need some help like perhaps diamox which the vet you work for can probably prescribe. Its a medication for people with glaucoma (I believe) but has been found by seahorse keepers to have benefits for gas bubble disease. My instincts would be not to lance any of the gas bubbles because then he will have openings to his skin for infection to set in. I doubt in his weakened condition that he could fight that too.
Best of luck to you.


I have Diamox, well I have pretty much ever drug I have ever read maybe be a help.... ever. lol


Thanks. He is not opening his mouth at all. He chases food bumps it then gives up. his eyes are active. I tube fed today. I know he wants to eat, but under his cheek spine(?) (the part that moves on the bottom if the jaw when they snick) has so many air pockets it doesn't move and he doesn't open his mouth.

I don't want to pop bubbles, but one popped just to tube feed to get the mouth open. (yes I panicked) if he can't move how am I ever going to get him able to eat? When I tube fed, he seemed relieved.

If I am not lancing the pockets how long does it take to get some relief? it took more than a month to get like this. In most cases it take longer to heal than it does to get to that condition. If that is true, I don't have a month to wait to try to get him to eat.

Currently
Tube fed mysis and selcon (less food came out of his gills than expected fingers crossed)
Kanamycin in water
Diamox in water (called manufacture not contraindicated to be used with antibiotics)

vlangel
08/14/2016, 01:53 PM
I would keep tube feeding him and I should have thought to suggest that. It sounds like you are doing reasonable intervention and now it is up to him. And of course you have to be prepared that in spite of your heroic measures that this seahorse may not make it. I have not treated any seahorses with his condition so my opinion is just that. Perhaps someone who has dealt with seahorses with severe GBD will jump in and share what worked for them.

Dogshowgrl
08/14/2016, 03:49 PM
I appreciate everything you are saying. sorry if I came off as "passionate." I will keep up the tube feeding.

You think Selcon and mysis is good enough? Is there something better?

Side note: I grew up working with animals. I grew up with a vet that said "dead or better" it's not to say you don't try everything. But try everything and they make the decision to keep fighting. When you put your heart and everything you have into it, you are able to sleep at night because at the end of the day they are "dead or better" and you did everything you could.

Thank you for the input, we will see. Fingers crossed and "dead or better" but hey let's give it a shot!


But to be able to sleep at night, I need to know I exhausted every avenue I had. These forums are one of them. I hope someone who has been successful (or not) will chime in.

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BlueCat1949
08/14/2016, 07:41 PM
I would just keep doing what you are doing with antibiotics, diamox and tube feeding.

I had a very similar experience in 2003 when a LFS gave me a H. barbouri seahorse that had not eaten in weeks. I was able to save him but it was not easy and he had relapses several times.

Good luck and I am glad you had a kind heart to try and help this horse.

Bruce

bluekoi
08/14/2016, 09:32 PM
It is very kind of you to attempt this. My hat is off to you. Best of luck.

teemee
08/14/2016, 09:38 PM
Would Melafix help if you're lancing him?
Good luck!

Dogshowgrl
08/15/2016, 07:43 AM
Would Melafix help if you're lancing him?
Good luck!
In the world of meds Melafix is low on my list. I use it for other fish families, and my pipefish but it left a little nervous. I try to use things I am more familiar with. Things that I can call drug companies and drug reps about to investigate about interactions between drug families. But I do have Melafix on hand I didn't have enough information on its true active ingredients and how they would react with Diamox. I really hate fish world meds, I want to understand it not just think it is going to work.

OllieNZ
08/16/2016, 10:15 AM
Melafix consists of 1% Melaleuca Oil, 99% Distilled Water.
Also known as tea tree oil if that helps.

Greybeard
08/16/2016, 01:18 PM
Been decades since I kept seahorses, but Diamox was the thing for external GBS even back then. Had to find a sympathetic LPN, since Diamox wasn't available as a veterinary medicine at that point. Worked great.

Best of luck to you.

After several rounds of GBS, and many lost broods due to my inability to maintain a sufficient food source for them, I gave up on seahorses. Just decided they're better off in the ocean.

https://seahorse.com/forum/how-do-you-treat-bubble-disease-sea-horse

Paul B
08/16/2016, 01:36 PM
Although I have kept many seahorses mine never developed those gas bubbles. But in Pete Giwojna's book "A Step by Step Book about Seahorses he states that what your fish has is relatively common and can be cured by piercing the bubbles with a sharp sterile needle (underwater) taking care not to go any further than the membrane of the bubble then messaging the gas out. Then dry the area and dab on hydrogen peroxide.
I personally have never tried this but that's all I got.

Dogshowgrl
08/18/2016, 08:35 PM
Thanks for the input all. Slow and steady. I am still tube feeding. He still floats pretty bad but everyday I have him is a day closer to getting him better.

Observation, I have seen a external air bubble when I opened his pouch. It's on the inside of the pouch in the membrane. Not that I needed one more thing, but it does explain why I seem to never get all the pouch air out.

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darmar7812
08/18/2016, 10:45 PM
Good luck to you I'd love to check back in the future to hear your amaxing success!

Wilrok_1
08/19/2016, 08:05 AM
Keep up the good work !

Sk8r
08/19/2016, 11:16 AM
In general when treating a human blister in a spot where it is apt to break, a pinprick opening it to drain is better than having it rupture and make a wider wound. I do not know this species, however, so just take it only as far as makes sense under the circumstances. Good luck. I'm a soft touch for hard cases.

snorvich
08/20/2016, 11:19 AM
I know nothing about keeping sea horses but you have my admiration for going all in to save this animal.

:love2:

rjd0521
08/20/2016, 11:33 AM
Had sea horses. Tank is too hot at 82. They need colder temps or they will have lots of bacterial infections. Drop the temp. Looks like tail is infected. Need antibiotics, drop temp to prevent future infections.


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rjd0521
08/20/2016, 11:36 AM
Temp needs to be around 70 and needs not to fluctuate for that kind of seahorse. My tank was 65 when I had pot bellied sea horses.


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vlangel
08/20/2016, 01:25 PM
I appreciate everything you are saying. sorry if I came off as "passionate." I will keep up the tube feeding.

You think Selcon and mysis is good enough? Is there something better?

Side note: I grew up working with animals. I grew up with a vet that said "dead or better" it's not to say you don't try everything. But try everything and they make the decision to keep fighting. When you put your heart and everything you have into it, you are able to sleep at night because at the end of the day they are "dead or better" and you did everything you could.

Thank you for the input, we will see. Fingers crossed and "dead or better" but hey let's give it a shot!


But to be able to sleep at night, I need to know I exhausted every avenue I had. These forums are one of them. I hope someone who has been successful (or not) will chime in.

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Dogshowgirl, how are things going with the seahorse? I was just wondering as my heart went out to you for the effort you chose to exert on the seahorse's behalf.

Dogshowgrl
08/20/2016, 02:16 PM
Thank you for asking. I lost him this morning. He was looking better but even tube feeding his energy level was dropping. He was finally hitching and responsive to me. I am heartbroken. If I had been given him a week sooner I may of had a chance, but I now have an empty tank and an open place for the next rescue that may need my help. I wouldn't really change my treatment methods, I would just hope that someone would send them my way sooner. (This person knew how to contact me and had seen my husband 2 weeks prior and told him how bad it was)


I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. I just hope one day it won't be so common to get wild caught ponies.

That you all for all the advice, and the boost in moral.

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OllieNZ
08/21/2016, 01:07 AM
Sorry to hear you lost him. It certainly sounds like you were on the right track to saving him.
Without trying to sound callous, if you still have have him it may be helpful to have an autopsy performed. If you can figure out what was infecting him and any other details regarding his passing, it may be helpful for the future to develop a targeted treatment programme.

Dogshowgrl
08/21/2016, 01:03 PM
I did post him. I am here to learn, that way didn't die completely in vain. He had bubbles everywhere. His entire digestive tract, his omentum were in such bad shape that even with tube feeding there was no way he could absorb what I was putting in. His pouch was incredible that it could even get to that extent. I really think I could have done something if I had gotten him sooner. I am confident on my treatment plan. I do think he had improve some, just not soon enough fast enough for the condition he was in. he didn't get like that over night, there was no way I could have fixed it over night. I had a solid plan, and great cheerleaders (thanks again) but next time I will try again. With the goal of not bailing people out, but informing them on CB availability and care. I will NEVER buy a "rescue" I feel strongly about that, I learned that from my dogs. (one of my mom's life lessons) I am glad I stuck to that and advise others to do the same.

Dogshowgrl
08/21/2016, 01:35 PM
Had sea horses. Tank is too hot at 82. They need colder temps or they will have lots of bacterial infections. Drop the temp. Looks like tail is infected. Need antibiotics, drop temp to prevent future infections.


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I am sorry, Captain, you didn't read the full post.

FYI!!! I rescued him from that... that was the HISTORY on him.


I made changes and noted them. If you are going to respond please be helpful. This maybe my first pony rescue but I AM NOT inexperienced on the care and medical needs. I was asking for support, not of list of the things that were done wrong by the person who cared for him before me.


Even if I was new to this "antibiotics" wouldn't be much help because they used a different therapeutic dosages than for most other Actinopterygii (ray-finned fishes if you weren't familiar). What family of medications are they? How are they metabolized? Most effective delivery method? pain management? are they safe with other drugs (contraindications)? Dosage?

Being helpful means details and possibly some experience other than owning them and keeping them healthy in the first place. I have done that, thats the easy part, but actually facing the puzzles (that you didn't cause but are willing to clean up for others) and adding to the community knowledge. THAT is what it means to be helpful.

What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make. - Jane Goodall

If it has never been done before and you do it with compassion, how could it be wrong?

Please review your answers because your input makes a difference, make it a good one.

vlangel
08/21/2016, 07:10 PM
Thank you for asking. I lost him this morning. He was looking better but even tube feeding his energy level was dropping. He was finally hitching and responsive to me. I am heartbroken. If I had been given him a week sooner I may of had a chance, but I now have an empty tank and an open place for the next rescue that may need my help. I wouldn't really change my treatment methods, I would just hope that someone would send them my way sooner. (This person knew how to contact me and had seen my husband 2 weeks prior and told him how bad it was)


I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. I just hope one day it won't be so common to get wild caught ponies.

That you all for all the advice, and the boost in moral.

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Ahh, I am sorry you lost him. Its tough to invest so much and still have him perish but I believe you gave him the best chance possible. Its a testimony to the treatment plan that he lasted as long as he did. When I inquired about him I was fearful that he had passed shortly after you got him. I think you are probably correct if you had acquired him a week or so sooner the results would have been different.

Like you, it is my hope that folks will get their seahorses from captive bred sources and leave the ponies in the ocean in the ocean where they belong.

OrQidz
08/25/2016, 10:17 PM
Oh that's a shame that he passed, I'm sorry to hear that. You are a rock star though, for taking him in and trying absolutely everything you could. It sounds like he was just too sick to be saved. I have no doubt that you provided him comfort in his final days...He had a clean tank, proper water, food and a caring person. So even though he did not survive, I know absolutely that you made a difference to him. Thank you for helping him as best you could. :)

Dogshowgrl
08/26/2016, 09:58 AM
Oh that's a shame that he passed, I'm sorry to hear that. You are a rock star though, for taking him in and trying absolutely everything you could. It sounds like he was just too sick to be saved. I have no doubt that you provided him comfort in his final days...He had a clean tank, proper water, food and a caring person. So even though he did not survive, I know absolutely that you made a difference to him. Thank you for helping him as best you could. :)
Thank you for the kind words. It means so much.

Now to educate the public on the impact we make in the world. :)

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OllieNZ
08/27/2016, 01:47 AM
Thank you for the kind words. It means so much.

Now to educate the public on the impact we make in the world. :)

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It would be great if you could do a write up of a programme/guidelines for helping sick ponies :)

Dogshowgrl
08/28/2016, 12:32 PM
It would be great if you could do a write up of a programme/guidelines for helping sick ponies :)
As soon as I am successful and have saved a few ponies I will post my findings and what it took to get them there. I take extensive notes, but I don't want to lead someone astray if my methods aren't the best I can offer them.

Sadly, I have another seahorse I am conferencing in on now. It is CB and has quality care, but has IBD. She is not mine, but my friend that got me hooked on seahorse keeping. I will see how her treatment goes and if I gather information that could be helpful, of course I will share!

RickBaker
11/07/2016, 08:51 PM
Incredible job, just incredible. I have learned soooo much coming to this thread. Dogshowgirl you blow my mind at your attitude and persistence in trying to keep that little guy alive. Before I came to this website all I was doing was killing sea horses. Kept buying wild caught, have learned it is much cheaper to buy farm raised, it's still stressful when I get them because it seems like it takes for EVER to get them to eat (2 weeks on the last 2 from http://seahorse.com/ in Kona, Hawaii) I have 6 seahorses now, the oldest 2 I had for a year. Before I came here I was able to keep them alive for about 4 weeks. I only buy FARM raised horses now, they are about $20 more per horse but pays for itself when they live. I won't buy WC or captive bred. Captive bred are not the same as Farm raised. Captive bred is a 50/50 chance of living.

redhorse
11/10/2016, 12:45 AM
WOW! I am totally confused at the description of captive bred and farm raised. My understanding is that the farm raised were caught in the wild and raised in an aquarium. Technically a WC that has been in captivity and Captive bred means that the fry were born and raised until adult hood and their offspring are considered captive bred.
Seahorse.com just happens to call their establishment a farm but there horses are captive bred. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.. I am getting to old for all these changes.. :-)

vlangel
11/10/2016, 04:22 AM
WOW! I am totally confused at the description of captive bred and farm raised. My understanding is that the farm raised were caught in the wild and raised in an aquarium. Technically a WC that has been in captivity and Captive bred means that the fry were born and raised until adult hood and their offspring are considered captive bred.
Seahorse.com just happens to call their establishment a farm but there horses are captive bred. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.. I am getting to old for all these changes.. :-)

I also thought that any fry raised in a tank with premixed saltwater was captive bred regardless of what the parents are.

I thought it was WC and tank raised that were to be avoided because tank raised could just mean they were penned in the ocean and maybe taught to eat frozen food but were still exposed to pathogens in the ocean.

BlueCat1949
11/10/2016, 08:09 AM
Not sure what the current situation is for calling something CB but in the past captive bred meant that the parents were raised in an aquarium and gave birth to fry. Tank raised was a wild caught seahorse that gave birth in an aquarium. Then asian horses came along and were sold as CB when they were net pen raised in the ocean.

I would only buy horses that are true captive bred from places like seahorse source. They are open about selling horses that came from other breeders and tell it like it is.

I would never buy seahorses in a local fish store because they are usually connected to the entire filtration system with other wild caught fish.

My first seahorse was a wild caught H. barbouri and I soon learned that he would be a major challenge to feed and keep healthy. He was given to me because he had not eaten in two weeks and was in a small 5 gallon tank on the counter of a LFS. He would not eat live brine shrimp and I had to buy very expensive live food for him. He had every health problem imaginable and I learned how to treat air in the pouch and bacterial infections but after several months he didn't make it.

I still would of tried to save him, at the local fish store he would of starved to death. Never easy to see a seahorses die but it was part of the hobby and when you raise fry to adulthood it makes up for all your failures.

ThRoewer
11/11/2016, 10:46 PM
Captive/farm/tank bred means that the parents spawned in captivity and the fry was raised in a tank.

Captive/farm/tank raised means that either eggs, larva or juveniles were collected wild and then raised in captivity. The latter is common practice with tuna.
An additional option to this with fish like seahorses (or lobsters) would be to collect "pregnant" parents and have the fry hatch in captivity before returning the parent to the wild.
Under this category there are also a few other options like for example how salmon eggs are obtained and fertilized, but those would not work for seahorses.

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iluvmyfishes
11/25/2016, 10:24 AM
Had a WC with the same gas bubbles under the snout. Really thought she could not eat but since she did not die I had to assume she was eating somehow. Later I discovered that she hunts a little at night. Two known causes of gas bubbles are bacterial and from being brought to the surface too fast when first caught. Keep water up quality and use the deepest container you have. One day I looked in the tank after a few months and the bubbles were gone, just like that, they vanished overnight. It took months and I was never sure she would make it. But since she never gave up, I didn't either. Keep temp between 72-74, I actually did not even have a heater in her tank.

redhorse
11/25/2016, 04:57 PM
That is very interesting information about the "being brought to the surface to fast when first caught". I did not know that seahorses lived that deep where that type of issue would be a cause. I know from videos and articles about fish collecting they are usually caught by skin divers and now scuba divers but still thought they were caught under 50' of water.
Never amazes me to find new info.. I will definitely have to do some extra research on this topic.
Do you still have seahorses?

Dogshowgrl
11/29/2016, 08:35 AM
That is very interesting information about the "being brought to the surface to fast when first caught". I did not know that seahorses lived that deep where that type of issue would be a cause. I know from videos and articles about fish collecting they are usually caught by skin divers and now scuba divers but still thought they were caught under 50' of water.
Never amazes me to find new info.. I will definitely have to do some extra research on this topic.
Do you still have seahorses?
Yes. This was due to uninformed LFS having terrible water quality. I try to help when I can and they contacted me, But yes, I have many seahorses and love them dearly. I try to help if I can, and I preach good care practices to anyone that will listen. Lol. I have several species of CB seahorses and try to learn from everyone I meet.


That is very interesting information about the "being brought to the surface to fast when first caught". I did not know that seahorses lived that deep where that type of issue would be a cause. I know from videos and articles about fish collecting they are usually caught by skin divers and now scuba divers but still thought they were caught under 50' of water.
Never amazes me to find new info.. I will definitely have to do some extra research on this topic.
Do you still have seahorses?
Yes. This was due to uninformed LFS that contacted me, having terrible water quality. But yes I have many seahorses and love them dearly. I try to help if I can, I preach good care practices to anyone that will listen. Lol.

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g_langley
11/29/2016, 09:05 AM
@Dogshowgrl - You have my complete respect. This hobby needs many more like your good self. At least the poor thing had some love at the end.

Dogshowgrl
12/01/2016, 03:07 PM
@Dogshowgrl - You have my complete respect. This hobby needs many more like your good self. At least the poor thing had some love at the end.
Thank you. That means more to me than you know.

I can't talk credit for this. I have great peers that help me. I come from a family of conservationists and veterinarians that love to teach and will help for medications and supplies most don't have access to. When I got into the hobby I found a great LFS like no other. I hate saying LFS because it doesn't do them justice. The owner quickly became my best friend. Even in this often wasteful hobby, she stands tall and shares all of her knowledge. She breeds anything she can and loves talking about all the "first of a species" people have accomplished in the basement of their homes and how that is how the hobby will move forward. Small scale to add to the knowledge and prove there is a market for more commerical aquaculture. Could you ask for anything more!?

I may not know all the answers, but I make the decisions based on my current knowledge to gain knowledge for the future.

If we all keep our trade secrets to ourselves, we can't move forward, we just keep trying to find each other's secrets.

Share knowledge. Ask questions. Try it yourself, don't spread information you have not vetted. Never stop learning.

redhorse
12/02/2016, 10:07 PM
What species and can you show us some pic? Thanks!