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Myka
08/27/2016, 04:51 PM
So I'm looking at mixing up my own 3-part using Tropic Marin Calcium chloride and Sodium bicarbonate, as well as Mag flake and epsom salts. The reasoning is because I can't get a steady supply of Components 1+2+3+, nor can I get a steady supply of the Ca, KH, and Mg powders. It does seem that I can still order the Components Strong.

So anyway, I'm mixing up my own Components. Usually in a balanced balling system there will be a fair amount of MgSO4 to balance out the build up of chloride you'd normally get from using only MgCl2. How does Aquaforest deal with the chloride to sulfate ratio? I want to make sure I'm not going to inadvertently get a chloride build up in my tank.

ClearwaterUK
08/30/2016, 02:51 AM
The Ratio is 10:1 assuming both are hexahydrate and heptahydrte

( dry mix) this is no different what ever the method,

Myka
08/30/2016, 06:53 AM
The Ratio is 10:1 assuming both are hexahydrate and heptahydrte

( dry mix) this is no different what ever the method,

Thank you for the reply, but that isn't what I was asking. I was asking where are you guys supplying the sulfate? You're not using MgSO4 (because it doesn't mix with the CaCl2), so which of your products has the sulfate in it? :lol2:

Myka
09/06/2016, 07:28 AM
Bump.

Myka
09/13/2016, 07:20 AM
Hello????

ClearwaterUK
09/13/2016, 12:27 PM
You are not proposing to use aqua forest balling Mg C etc as there is no supply ?

if using Aqua forest buffers
Calcium is CaCl2
Magnesium is MgCl2
Carbonate is NaHco3 this is where the Sulphate is balancing the Chloride
using AF products you get Ionic balance,

if doing DIY you will need to do your own calculation depending on the chosen products

you may find this helpful

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php#6

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-07/rhf/

sorry for the late reply I have been traveling on business

Myka
09/20/2016, 09:32 PM
You are not proposing to use aqua forest balling Mg C etc as there is no supply ?

if using Aqua forest buffers
Calcium is CaCl2
Magnesium is MgCl2
Carbonate is NaHco3 this is where the Sulphate is balancing the Chloride
using AF products you get Ionic balance,

if doing DIY you will need to do your own calculation depending on the chosen products

you may find this helpful

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php#6

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-07/rhf/

sorry for the late reply I have been traveling on business

Thanks for the response. It seems like you guys have solved the issue with Canadian wholesalers. So supply should no longer be an issue for me. I'm going to continue with the Component 123. However, I did a Triton test recently, and the results came up with sulphur at 507 mg/L and Triton's setpoint is 900 mg/L. So it seems like AF is indeed lacking sulphur. I've been using the Components 123 since mid-April.

FoothillCorals
09/23/2016, 08:55 AM
Bump

I have had this same question.

Myka
09/23/2016, 09:12 AM
Bump

I have had this same question.

I don't know if we'll get a clear answer... The following certainly doesn't make any sense. NaHCO3 is Sodium bicarbonate, and there is no sulfate in it. :hmm3:

Carbonate is NaHco3 this is where the Sulphate is balancing the Chloride
using AF products you get Ionic balance

Myka
09/30/2016, 08:46 PM
Aquaforest, are you adding sulfate in balance with chloride? A recent Triton test showed extremely low sulfate. I'm using Probiotic salt and Components 123 since April.

Potatohead
09/30/2016, 09:56 PM
I have the mag supplement here and it's just mag chloride flake. I'm guessing that's all the use, you could always add a touch of epsom salt manually.

Myka
10/01/2016, 02:47 PM
I have the mag supplement here and it's just mag chloride flake. I'm guessing that's all the use, you could always add a touch of epsom salt manually.

I wouldn't be able to add enough without raising Mg too high. I might experiment by adding some Sodium sulfate as a last ditch effort. Aquaforest doesn't seem to want to address the problem here, which leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. :uhoh2:

Myka
10/11/2016, 08:48 AM
*crickets*

ClearwaterUK
10/12/2016, 10:45 AM
I have no issues with Sulphur last ICP 14th September showed 889 mg/L

having used a bucket and a half of the ProBiotic Salt

Sulphur is consumed by bacteria in anaerobic conditions, it de nitrifies but is undesirable outside of a Sulphur reactor as the Hydrogen Sulphide gas is poisonous to the inhabitents

have you any back patched on sand or the base of live rock, this can be an indicator

I am not getting Notifications from this thread for some reason

Myka
10/12/2016, 08:30 PM
I have no issues with Sulphur last ICP 14th September showed 889 mg/L

having used a bucket and a half of the ProBiotic Salt

Sulphur is consumed by bacteria in anaerobic conditions, it de nitrifies but is undesirable outside of a Sulphur reactor as the Hydrogen Sulphide gas is poisonous to the inhabitents

have you any back patched on sand or the base of live rock, this can be an indicator

I am not getting Notifications from this thread for some reason

Ok, but my question is which Aquaforest product contains sulfate? :facepalm:

I have a very shallow sand bed that is vacuumed weekly. The sand is quite clean. I also have a Pistol Shrimp that spends all day moving it around.

plyle02
10/13/2016, 02:20 PM
How about Coral Energy, it has Copper Sulfate, but only traces from my understanding.

Aquaforest
10/14/2016, 03:22 AM
Sulfate are in:
- Mg Plus - MgSO4
- Component 3+
- Reef Mineral Salt
- AF Energy - copper sulfate

Magnesium contais MgCl2x6H2O.

Aquaforest

Myka
10/17/2016, 07:36 AM
Sulfate are in:
- Mg Plus - MgSO4
- Component 3+
- Reef Mineral Salt
- AF Energy - copper sulfate

Magnesium contais MgCl2x6H2O.

Aquaforest

Thank you for finally providing an answer. Ok, so you're providing sulfate in Component 3+, how is it provided? Which compound are you using? Depending which one you're using, it may not be enough. I'm just trying to figure out why my tank is soooo low considering I'm using your salt mix and dosing Components 1+2+3+ since April. Maybe Triton made a mistake, and maybe the next test will read normal. Until then, I need to do my due research. I hope you understand. :)

exonn
11/10/2016, 09:15 AM
Aquaforest, i have started to use your products for balling method and have the same question. Is it ok to use your Mag supplements with calcium and use only Reef mineral salt? Does it contain enough sulfate? Or do i need to dose other products for sulfate?

ClearwaterUK
11/11/2016, 02:40 AM
Aquaforest, i have started to use your products for balling method and have the same question. Is it ok to use your Mag supplements with calcium and use only Reef mineral salt? Does it contain enough sulfate? Or do i need to dose other products for sulfate?

It's not usually a good idea to mix and match its better to use all the balling products as they are ironically balanced

however if your doing regular water changes with a good salt, I doubt Suphate will become depleted

I have sent your question to AF

exonn
11/11/2016, 05:35 AM
It's not usually a good idea to mix and match its better to use all the balling products as they are ironically balanced

however if your doing regular water changes with a good salt, I doubt Suphate will become depleted

I have sent your question to AF

Thanks for sending a question for me. What do you mean "All baling products?" All listed products above is not necessary for sure. MG+ is used to increase Mg level, Component 3+ as far as i understand is prepared solution and if i make my own i don't need to use it. AF Energy is not balling at all...
I want to make my own full baling, so as far as i understand i need to use Ca, Mg, Kh, reef mineral salt ant Components strong for full balling on AF products. Or not? Still don't know if this receipt have enough sulfate.

Aquaforest
11/14/2016, 04:16 AM
If you are using Aquaforest products: Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer and Reef Mineral Salt it will be enough sulfate there.

To keep corals in good growth and condition you have to dose macro and microelements. Here is our formula:
CONTAINER 1:

Aquaforest Calcium - Dissolve 50g in 1000ml of deionized water

Aquaforest Magnesium - Add 10g

Component A Strong - Add 5ml

Component B Strong - Add 5ml


CONTAINER 2:

Aquaforest KH Buffer - Dissolve 80g in 1000ml of deionized water

Component C Strong - Add 5ml


CONTAINER 3:

Aquaforest Reef Mineral Salt - Dissolve 25g in 1000ml of deionized water

Component K Strong - Add 5ml

Myka
11/15/2016, 07:57 PM
Aquaforest's own ICP test shows the Sea Salt and Reef Salt mixes to be ultra low in sulfate. I was using the Reef Salt in my tank when the Triton test showed low sulfate in my tank. I switched back to Probiotic now, and am hoping my next Triton test will show normal sulfate.