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CoralsAddiction
08/28/2016, 11:42 PM
I'm a big fan of true percula clownfish and this thread is dedicated to my breeding attempt of Amphiprion Percula clowns. The photos below show the male and female. Both are wild caught. The video after shows my first attempt at raising their fry. The babies hatched just over an hour ago. Any breeding tips will be greatly appreciated.
Male photo:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clowns/A4126143-519E-4093-9029-BBC8AC752A78_zpsnraaziv5.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clowns/A4126143-519E-4093-9029-BBC8AC752A78_zpsnraaziv5.jpg.html)

Female photo:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clowns/67AD0CD9-A8B5-4490-BEB5-33FF589FC01C_zpszblzwjt9.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clowns/67AD0CD9-A8B5-4490-BEB5-33FF589FC01C_zpszblzwjt9.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
08/28/2016, 11:44 PM
The babies:
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CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 12:01 AM
Only 90 mins has passed and the majority of them are laying on the bottom either dead or dying. Only a few are swimming normally :(
However, I didn't expect to succeed the first time.
I think the air flow was too strong and many clowns were kinda bouncing around. So I lowered it a little.

OrionN
08/29/2016, 05:04 AM
If it is not an adjustable air cow you can raise it up to near the top

OrionN
08/29/2016, 05:06 AM
It is very important that the water chemistry and temp stay the same. I use the water from the brood tank for the hatch tank 100%

CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 08:36 AM
If it is not an adjustable air cow you can raise it up to near the top

It is very important that the water chemistry and temp stay the same. I use the water from the brood tank for the hatch tank 100%
Thank you :)
Everything is ok this morning. I used 80% water from main reef tank with broodstock and 20% clean water. The air is adjustable. The fry seem to be a little more balanced and swims less neurotically. About 30-35% of them are hanging out by left and right side aquarium glass. The rest are in between.
Almost all, if not all, have silver stomachs. I read it means they are eating rotifers.

CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 09:01 AM
Pics from this morning
1. Top down view of right side of the tank. Clownfish fry can be seen towards the bottom of the picture hanging out on aquarium glass.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/14C59838-74A4-423D-A4CE-F21397869947_zpsxudvrjn6.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/14C59838-74A4-423D-A4CE-F21397869947_zpsxudvrjn6.jpg.html)
2. "FTS"
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/C68DD049-3C20-4199-A6A5-20762B181B18_zps6jil49qp.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/C68DD049-3C20-4199-A6A5-20762B181B18_zps6jil49qp.jpg.html)

D-Nak
08/29/2016, 09:28 AM
Did you tint the water? It helps to keep the babies off of the glass (and could help to prevent flat faces in the process, but that's anecdotal). Have fun!

OrionN
08/29/2016, 09:40 AM
I completely cover the tank during hatch night. They hatch better in complete darkness

CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 09:48 AM
Did you tint the water? It helps to keep the babies off of the glass (and could help to prevent flat faces in the process, but that's anecdotal). Have fun!

Thanks. I haven't tinted the water. I was going to use RG complete to do it but online search results including posts by Reed showed that RG complete shouldn't be used as greenwater. I'm debating whether or not Rotigrow Omega is worth the investment at this point.

CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 09:49 AM
I completely cover the tank during hatch night. They hatch better in complete darkness

thanks. I'll be more patient next time and will wait out as long as possible at hatch night.

D-Nak
08/29/2016, 12:49 PM
Thanks. I haven't tinted the water. I was going to use RG complete to do it but online search results including posts by Reed showed that RG complete shouldn't be used as greenwater. I'm debating whether or not Rotigrow Omega is worth the investment at this point.

Many people use RGCompete to tint, and it does what it's supposed to. I thought I remember reading that Reed said it was okay to use but that there were better options (Omega, as you mentioned). I know that greenwater is supposed to help the babies see their prey and keeps them from bumping into the walls. My goal was always to avoid fish with flat faces. When I used RGComplete for tinting, I had 0 flat faces, but did have misbars.

I've since switched to Rotigrow Plus + Rotigrow Omega for tinting. I can see a difference in terms of the rotifer buckets being cleaner, but production seems a bit less than when using RGComplete. I have one test bucket with RGComplete and two with Rotigrow Plus so the test isn't very scientific. Only time will tell if I can see a big difference in the fish.

president89
08/29/2016, 04:41 PM
I like rotigrow omega because it provides the HUFA required for healthy babies. Without enriching the rotifers with that, your fish won't turn out so well. Google Pickle's guide to clownfish and it'll tell you everything you want to know.

1. Paint all sides of the tank black - or 3 sides and get a black door for viewing.
2. Tint with rotigrow omega
3. Air should be from soft to moderate - I put the stones on one end, so the babies can escape the turbulence.
4. Do 50% or MORE water changes daily to keep water quality up
5. Use an ammonia detoxifier
6. Use an ammonia alert badge
7. Don't add in a sponge filter until the fish are off rotifers - the nitrifying bateria will compete with the rotifers.
6. If you keep the lights on for 24 hours from hatch to Meta, they will grow faster. Not required, but it works.
7. Percula grow much slower than Ocellaris, so don't be alarmed if you see your fish growing slower than someone's Ocellaris

That's all I have for now.

CoralsAddiction
08/29/2016, 06:08 PM
Google Pickle's guide to clownfish and it'll tell you everything you want to know.


Thanks, I'm familiar with his write up on clownfish rearing.

CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 02:11 PM
Does anybody here use probiotics for their clownfish fry diet?

president89
08/30/2016, 02:20 PM
Yes, they are in Larry's reef fertility frenzy

D-Nak
08/30/2016, 02:37 PM
Yes, they are in Larry's reef fertility frenzy

This is what I feed to the parents. Though the texture of the food is smaller than normal LRS blends and held together with gelatin, I think it's way too big to feed to fry.

president89
08/30/2016, 02:42 PM
I think you mean leave. Fry is a live-bearer term. I feed to babies 30 days old. They eat it, much of it falls to the tank floor.

Dkuhlmann
08/30/2016, 05:27 PM
I think you mean leave. Fry is a live-bearer term. I feed to babies 30 days old. They eat it, much of it falls to the tank floor.

AND... I guess you meant larvae :p

That is a beautiful Percula pair. I'm looking forward to seeing the babies grow out.

CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 05:38 PM
I think you mean leave. Fry is a live-bearer term. I feed to babies 30 days old. They eat it, much of it falls to the tank floor.

Yes that's what I mean, larvae. I read an Advanced Aquarist article that said probiotics increase health and growth in larval clownfish. So my next question was going to be where one can get Lactobacillus rhamnosus probiotic and feeding instructions, both to rotifer culture and larvae..if anyone knows and willing to share the information.

CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 05:38 PM
That is a beautiful Percula pair. I'm looking forward to seeing the babies grow out.

Thanks :0)
:beer:

CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 05:46 PM
way too big to feed to fry.

Yup, I am very familiar with LRS Who Is Your Daddy blend LOL...My clowns loved it.

CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 09:30 PM
Nothing much to update. I had some major losses yesterday (25) and a small one today (4).
I've noticed that my broodstock takes about a day or two longer to lay eggs when I pull the pot and replace it with a new one. When the pot stays and the babies hatch inside the tank the pair lays either the next day or two at the longest. So far no eggs today (2 days post hatch) but should be laying again tomorrow or Thursday. Here's a video of the babies from today.
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CoralsAddiction
08/30/2016, 10:37 PM
Interesting observation:
I tore down the side walls tonight like Gorbachev and the clowns stopped hanging out there. For my next attempt to breed I am going to remove black background paper shortly after hatching.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6770E71C-BFE9-463B-B661-41C939A3C4D0_zpsa173m7yc.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6770E71C-BFE9-463B-B661-41C939A3C4D0_zpsa173m7yc.jpg.html)

president89
08/31/2016, 06:52 AM
Interesting observation:
I tore down the side walls tonight like Gorbachev and the clowns stopped hanging out there. For my next attempt to breed I am going to remove black background paper shortly after hatching.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6770E71C-BFE9-463B-B661-41C939A3C4D0_zpsa173m7yc.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6770E71C-BFE9-463B-B661-41C939A3C4D0_zpsa173m7yc.jpg.html)
I would advise you against that. Black painted walls with tinted water will keep the fish off the walls. If you have already tinted and have black painted walls then you aren't tinting enough. This experiment was outlined in Frank Hoff's book. I've tried without painted walls and my survival rate was dismal.

president89
08/31/2016, 07:04 AM
The water in your tank in that picture is not tinted enough

CoralsAddiction
08/31/2016, 07:25 AM
The water in your tank in that picture is not tinted enough

Perhaps because I diluted it by adding some new saltwater last night. Doing a 10% water change today. Im trying to stay as close to 2-3 drops of RG Complete per gallon as possible. That's what Reed Mariculture recommended.

CoralsAddiction
08/31/2016, 09:45 AM
I did 10% water change this morning and tinted the water. Based on the amount of time and work I've put in so far, I will probably be able to breed 4-6 clutches per year, if that. It's fun though.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/491E8BDD-6133-4B61-8F56-3503510979F0_zpsig4zu1nz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/491E8BDD-6133-4B61-8F56-3503510979F0_zpsig4zu1nz.jpg.html)

D-Nak
08/31/2016, 10:06 AM
It's a little more manageable with less water in the tank. I usually keep about 5 gallons of water and add more after meta. Of course, this means less stability with less water, but it also means that the babies will have an easier time finding rotifers.

CoralsAddiction
08/31/2016, 11:05 AM
It's a little more manageable with less water in the tank. I usually keep about 5 gallons of water and add more after meta. Of course, this means less stability with less water, but it also means that the babies will have an easier time finding rotifers.

That's what I'll do next time. I'm currently using a 5.5 gallon tank by Aqueon I picked up at Petsmart. I'm taking notes on how I could be more efficient next time because this project has taken a lot more time than I thought it would. However, caring for larvae and culturing rotifers has its own spiritual rewards, physical challenges notwithstanding.

OrionN
08/31/2016, 11:33 AM
After 2 weeks, it get easier, not have to worry about rotifers, unless you want to have new patches. However, once they get older, then keep up with the water change will be a problem. Don't try to raise more than 50-100 at a time. I swear not to have anymore than 100 baby clowns at a time. Too much work and not able to get them moving.

CoralsAddiction
08/31/2016, 02:38 PM
After 2 weeks, it get easier, not have to worry about rotifers, unless you want to have new patches.

Yes culturing rotifers is time and money consuming. i wish had room to culture my own phytoplankton for rotifers because they require so much feeding everyday. Between two containers with rotifers, one small (6 oz) bottle of RG Complete has not even lasted me for this batch. So I ordered a bigger bottle.
I can't wait for post-meta to see some colors and shut down one of the rotifer culture buckets.

CoralsAddiction
08/31/2016, 05:44 PM
A little behind the scene look at my breeding project. First pic is the larvae tank, 5.5 gallon Aqueon with a pump and a 25 W heater. The light is a cheap LED desk lamp from Walmart. Also in first pic is rotifer station #1 which is a 2.5 gallon pet food container from Target. Up until 20 mins ago it was a 5 gallon orange bucket from Home Depot but I got a little tired of it and decided to replace it.
Pic 2 is rotifer station #2 which has been running since I first harvested station #1 about 5 days ago. I'm trying to keep everything as simple and as clean as possible. The tank and the rotifer stations are airated by separate Tetra Whisper Model 10 pumps.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/000ACD37-DE21-4DDC-A26D-E84383C38B1A_zps3pq4n8tg.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/000ACD37-DE21-4DDC-A26D-E84383C38B1A_zps3pq4n8tg.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/E28875C5-3CF6-4D8C-A0A7-C19A631B8047_zpsckqmsjoz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/E28875C5-3CF6-4D8C-A0A7-C19A631B8047_zpsckqmsjoz.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/4CCCA4E5-8E90-40BD-BF79-7E25E7D23C13_zpspiyqac3p.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/4CCCA4E5-8E90-40BD-BF79-7E25E7D23C13_zpspiyqac3p.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/01/2016, 01:18 PM
Here's a link to the study of use of probiotics in clownfish breeding:
http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/298/2/R359.long

CoralsAddiction
09/01/2016, 09:58 PM
The clowns laid eggs today. It's a big and orange clutch. Heavy TDO feeding is definitely helping them with it but my corals are suffering due to algae growth.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/168E8409-73C9-4288-BA4A-222F05F2E623_zpssszfsdgu.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/168E8409-73C9-4288-BA4A-222F05F2E623_zpssszfsdgu.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/02/2016, 03:31 PM
5 days post hatch
They are bigger; have become better and more aggressive rotifer hunters. Only a few of them are coming up to water surface for TDO A pellets/powder but that's a good start
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CoralsAddiction
09/03/2016, 09:22 PM
I'm happy to report that there haven't been any losses in the last 48 hours. I need all the wiggle room I can get for meta period. I've heard it can be brutal on larvae.

OrionN
09/04/2016, 05:26 AM
I'm happy to report that there haven't been any losses in the last 48 hours. I need all the wiggle room I can get for meta period. I've heard it can be brutal on larvae.
I did not think so, only loss I had was the first 2 night, after that everything live. About how may do you have right now?

CoralsAddiction
09/04/2016, 07:20 AM
I did not think so, only loss I had was the first 2 night, after that everything live. About how may do you have right now?

I have about 40 of them now and hoping for minimal losses during meta.

CoralsAddiction
09/04/2016, 05:45 PM
They have grown a lot, 7 days old
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CoralsAddiction
09/04/2016, 10:46 PM
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/49CF5CF0-069D-48DA-82B0-D59D1E50FAEB_zps3fmnxihf.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/49CF5CF0-069D-48DA-82B0-D59D1E50FAEB_zps3fmnxihf.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/05/2016, 09:35 PM
One unlucky guy got caught in coffee filter during feeding. One casualty from coffee filter. Not considering a sieve yet. They look bigger and have more fish like appearance. I've noticed tail curling, a little more aggression and slower swimming speed. I think they are in meta.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/3E19B7B6-BC7A-4ADA-AAFB-71C770FE9B18_zpsiy4dbrom.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/3E19B7B6-BC7A-4ADA-AAFB-71C770FE9B18_zpsiy4dbrom.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/19DF0514-6098-4724-A73D-037AB18DE73D_zpsqfkrdpfr.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/19DF0514-6098-4724-A73D-037AB18DE73D_zpsqfkrdpfr.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/07/2016, 02:17 PM
there was a massive explosion of rotifers in the hatch tank and I had to do a 20% water change this morning to remove some of them. Also, there were 4-5 small worms that looked like bristle worms in the hatch tank. One reason I didn't let the flowerpot overnight for hatching was I knew that there were all kinds of hitchhikers on it.
The recently hatched clowns are still going through meta gradually. Their gradual meta fits the description of Ocellaris clowns in Joyce Wilkerson's book Clownfishes.
Worms:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/B424A43F-2083-4BC1-A19C-3855E0D6FE04_zpsjb3qahqo.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/B424A43F-2083-4BC1-A19C-3855E0D6FE04_zpsjb3qahqo.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/07/2016, 11:34 PM
I was checking on the baby clowns and caught this guy on camera. He's pretty cute and funny. 10 days old.
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OrionN
09/08/2016, 03:59 AM
The worms won't cause any problem for the fish.

Dkuhlmann
09/08/2016, 04:33 AM
I was checking on the baby clowns and caught this guy on camera. He's pretty cute and funny. 10 days old.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/404DyVXVJZw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:lmao: he's not doing anything. :hmm3:

CoralsAddiction
09/08/2016, 08:00 AM
About 5 or 6 of them are starting to show their first stripes (headbands). They are barely visible but they are there.

CoralsAddiction
09/08/2016, 09:01 AM
Here's a vid of one of the clowns with a headband. He's the one being hosted by a suction cup; left side of the cup. The video isn't great quality and may require you to view it full size.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vNuuaT-RQks" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

CoralsAddiction
09/08/2016, 09:36 AM
:lmao: he's not doing anything. :hmm3:

You don't find his posing cute?
You must be one of those guys who likes to watch dancing cat videos on YouTube.
Totally messing with you :lolspin::lolspin::lolspin:

Dkuhlmann
09/08/2016, 05:06 PM
:lmao: :thumbsup:

CoralsAddiction
09/10/2016, 02:33 AM
About 80% of the recently hatched clowns are showing their first stripes but still no orange coloration. I did some research on A. Percula breeding and it seems that they can take up to a year or more to fully develop colors, which is kind of a bummer. Ocellaris clowns develop much faster. I'll post a video on Sunday when they turn 14 days old.

OrionN
09/10/2016, 05:01 AM
See, no death after 2nd night other than the one that got caught in the filter. Be careful or you ended up like me. Had 1000 fish and no way to get rid of them. No way other than ahve to really cull the bad ones and don't start with more than 200 or so.

CoralsAddiction
09/10/2016, 06:00 AM
See, no death after 2nd night other than the one that got caught in the filter. Be careful or you ended up like me. Had 1000 fish and no way to get rid of them. No way other than ahve to really cull the bad ones and don't start with more than 200 or so.

Ha, yes. Agree. I am looking forward to taking a little break from culturing rotifers soon.
:)

CoralsAddiction
09/10/2016, 07:16 AM
I've noticed that about 15 of them adopted algae on the bottom as a host. The problem that may occur is that they won't be able to get otohime. I wish I had used a 10 gallon tank filled half way than a 5.5 gallon tank filled all the way up.

CoralsAddiction
09/10/2016, 06:15 PM
I might have to cull 3-4 thin and weak clowns tomorrow :/

CoralsAddiction
09/11/2016, 10:49 AM
Here is a video update of clowns, 14 days old. I've been trying to feed them TDO and haven't fed rotifers since yesterday afternoon. I wanted to stop feeding rotifers on day 10 but didn't have enough confidence in clowns surviving.
Group 1
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Group 2
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmEbuwYPAm0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OrionN
09/11/2016, 08:21 PM
you may want to feed them 1/2 of each for a few days before wean them off rotifers.

CoralsAddiction
09/11/2016, 08:33 PM
you may want to feed them 1/2 of each for a few days before wean them off rotifers.

Will do. Thank you!

CoralsAddiction
09/11/2016, 11:39 PM
Came home after a night out; took down rotifer station #2; siphoned the hatch tank with a turkey baster; did some culling; did a 20% water change. Harvested 25% of rotifers from station #1 to feed the clowns;; cleaned the rotifer station. It's a lot of work for a Sunday night. But worth it.

CoralsAddiction
09/13/2016, 06:18 PM
I noticed a couple of days ago that some clowns have their middle stripes showing just a little bit. The middle bars are more apparent now.

CoralsAddiction
09/14/2016, 09:27 PM
Heavy broodstock feedings 3 times a day caused significant deterioration of my underfiltered 40 gallon reef tank. Now the broodstock gets fed once a day to bring the reef tank back to good shape. Despite the reduced feeding schedule the clowns laid eggs today. It's not a small clutch. They just won't stop :-)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/D0A7521B-9B21-4BCD-8B20-44EEF4412D46_zpsexuv9g0c.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/D0A7521B-9B21-4BCD-8B20-44EEF4412D46_zpsexuv9g0c.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/14/2016, 10:18 PM
Here are some of the babies with fat bellies eating away rotifers
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Pandagobyguy
09/15/2016, 08:58 AM
What brand of rotifers are you using?

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CoralsAddiction
09/15/2016, 09:12 AM
What brand of rotifers are you using?

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Reed Mariculture, L type

CoralsAddiction
09/15/2016, 07:00 PM
So, about probiotics...
I went to Petco to pick up some filter sponges to start seeding them for a grow out tank. The fish food section had these marine flakes made by Seachem which I bought. They contain probiotics. Even though the clowns have already gone through meta it probably wouldn't hurt to feed them this food now.
PS
I just pulverized these flakes and fed the clowns. Their feeding response was way better than with TDO. That's surprising because the parents love TDO the most.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/C3615DDB-827E-4461-ADF1-BB401D420349_zpstzavisil.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/C3615DDB-827E-4461-ADF1-BB401D420349_zpstzavisil.jpg.html)

OrionN
09/15/2016, 09:20 PM
I would not buy into the "probiotics" hypes. Probiotic is suppose to be gut bacterial. I doubt that there are any "real live probiotics" in the food, or else you get soiled food. Probiotic bacterial are important if we are exposed to antibiotic that wipe out a lot of our beneficial bacterial population. Other than that it does not do much.

CoralsAddiction
09/15/2016, 10:42 PM
I would not buy into the "probiotics" hypes. Probiotic is suppose to be gut bacterial. I doubt that there are any "real live probiotics" in the food, or else you get soiled food. Probiotic bacterial are important if we are exposed to antibiotic that wipe out a lot of our beneficial bacterial population. Other than that it does not do much.

I see, thank you.
The best thing that came out of new food is that the clown babies went right after it with more enthusiasm. That alone made me happy.

Mo2
09/16/2016, 03:47 PM
I see, thank you.
The best thing that came out of new food is that the clown babies went right after it with more enthusiasm. That alone made me happy.

Although I haven't tested probiotics with clowns nor the type of probiotics that Sachem uses in their food, when I was raising seahorses probiotics helped the seahorses grow faster and helped my survival rate. And not just mine alone, if you google Dan Underwood, he swears by the stuff.

CoralsAddiction
09/16/2016, 11:49 PM
And not just mine alone, if you google Dan Underwood, he swears by the stuff.

I'll check it out. There haven't been any negative side effects from Seachem flakes so far. It might become their staple food actually moving forward. TDO pellets seem to polute a tank faster than regular pellets at least in the DT so their use will be limited as time goes on.

CoralsAddiction
09/16/2016, 11:54 PM
Rotifer station #1 has just been taken down and the clowns haven't eaten rotifers in 2 days. There weren't any losses during that time. I felt comfortable enough to end the rotifer culture. I kept the last harvest and put it in the refrigerator just in case. The harvest might get recycled in a week if there's a need for it.
As far as breeding goes, I seriously doubt I will try raising another clutch in the next 2-3 months. It's been a great experience so far but I don't have the time or space required to continue breeding long term.

CoralsAddiction
09/17/2016, 02:09 PM
I've culled some skinny, underdeveloped and deformed clowns. Theres about 50 left. A more accurate count will be done in a few days when the clowns get moved to grow out.

fcmatt
09/17/2016, 04:27 PM
Great thread. Tagging along for the ride. Thank you for posting.

Pandagobyguy
09/17/2016, 08:13 PM
Reed Mariculture, L type
Thanks!
A little bit gruesome but do you have any pictures of the rejects??
Im just trying to figure out the difference between an acceptable deformity and an unacceptable one.
(Idk if youve heard of the "stubbies" that ORA sells)

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CoralsAddiction
09/17/2016, 08:59 PM
Great thread. Tagging along for the ride. Thank you for posting.
My pleasure
Thanks!
A little bit gruesome but do you have any pictures of the rejects??
Im just trying to figure out the difference between an acceptable deformity and an unacceptable one.
(Idk if youve heard of the "stubbies" that ORA sells)

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I don't have any pictures of culled clowns but I might take some next time if I remember. Generally I just look for really thin ones that despite the stripe still look like pre-meta larvae especially compared to the rest of the clowns.
I am familiar with ORA Stubby clowns. I find them funny especially B&W stubby Ocellaris clowns. I once saw a wild caught stubby true percula clown for sale which was weird. Here's a pic of it.
http://i.imgur.com/Pq1aQEo.png

Pandagobyguy
09/17/2016, 09:09 PM
Wow!! I never thought a stubby could survive in the wild (they dont swim well right?).
Thanks for the info!
My clowns started "dancing" to each other each other just last week. Hopefully ill be raising something by 2017 😂

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CoralsAddiction
09/17/2016, 09:32 PM
Wow!! I never thought a stubby could survive in the wild (they dont swim well right?).
Thanks for the info!
My clowns started "dancing" to each other each other just last week. Hopefully ill be raising something by 2017 😂

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As long as they have a host nem and fit into hierarchy they are good.
Good luck with your pair :-)

CoralsAddiction
09/18/2016, 04:28 PM
Working on a DYI project today for the grow out tank. The tank is going under a bathroom sink where rotifer station #2 used to be. Instead of putting the tank on the floor I am making a little mini stand/pedestal for it :-)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/E6375979-A889-4A90-9400-F5A1055C99F5_zpsht86mubv.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/E6375979-A889-4A90-9400-F5A1055C99F5_zpsht86mubv.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/4A5A29FE-05A3-43A4-849E-B260EA58E676_zpsflbkec7h.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/4A5A29FE-05A3-43A4-849E-B260EA58E676_zpsflbkec7h.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/18/2016, 08:10 PM
Here are the clowns. 3 weeks old today. They've almost completely lost peach coloration and are starting to turn orange like real clowns. Video quality could be better but it's the best I could do with a dirty glass tank (mostly water splashing from water changes). Clowns are seen eating TDO pellets.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uUHOCJdiCiA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

CoralsAddiction
09/18/2016, 10:40 PM
I had to cull another one today. Since someone asked to show an example of my culls here's one for people to see. It's not particularly an exciting thing to do or talk about but it's part of the process. The clown had a pretty bad underbite and somewhat of a flat face at the same time. Video before culling and a photo after below. It's the reject clown to the left of the group. It's not as obvious as in person but it should give people an idea.
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http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/DA5C06B0-5E03-4827-9BFD-1B8EFADFD400_zpsxcriabxs.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/DA5C06B0-5E03-4827-9BFD-1B8EFADFD400_zpsxcriabxs.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/19/2016, 10:38 PM
In her book Clownfishes, Joyce W. wrote that she kept 3 dozen baby clowns in a 6"x6"x6" breeder net in her DT. That sounds like an easier solution than a stand alone grow out tank. I went to Petco and bought one earlier this evening. However, it's been hard to imagine 40 or so juvenile clowns in that tight of a space. The breeder net idea has not been completely ruled out though.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/C87BCBF7-0412-4E46-A438-090790F23383_zpsafszbvz0.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/C87BCBF7-0412-4E46-A438-090790F23383_zpsafszbvz0.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/20/2016, 05:04 PM
When I used RGComplete for tinting, I had 0 flat faces, but did have misbars.


I have a decent number of misbar juvis so far and that's just judging by their first and only developed stripes. A rough estimate would be 10-15% of the clowns are misbars. I certainly expect that number to rise as they mature but only time will tell.

CoralsAddiction
09/21/2016, 06:19 PM
I successfully transferred the clowns to a 10 gallon grow out tank with 0 losses.
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CoralsAddiction
09/21/2016, 06:32 PM
Here's a still photo.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/EC148D07-1023-4663-8B0C-40D5A4F602E7_zpscptka4hd.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/EC148D07-1023-4663-8B0C-40D5A4F602E7_zpscptka4hd.jpg.html)

Pandagobyguy
09/21/2016, 07:26 PM
Wow! They are coming along well! Thanks for the info on "that process". Sorry to ask you again but any close ups of the misbar fry???

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CoralsAddiction
09/21/2016, 09:14 PM
Wow! They are coming along well! Thanks for the info on "that process". Sorry to ask you again but any close ups of the misbar fry???

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I'll try to take some close ups. They are still pretty small and move quickly. But I'll do my best.

CoralsAddiction
09/21/2016, 09:28 PM
Here's a video of a smaller group. One of them has a broker stripe.
It might require you to watch the video in full screen though.
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Pandagobyguy
09/22/2016, 01:23 PM
Link didnt work 😞. Might be my phone though

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CoralsAddiction
09/25/2016, 03:43 PM
I was out of town for a couple of days and came home to hungry clowns. The automatic feeder that I set up for them got jammed. I ran a test and the feeder didn't dispense any food. I don't exactly know when that happened but fortunately I didn't have any losses. Some deformities on several clowns have become more apparent though. It could be diet related or just a coincidence with them getting slightly older, and bigger. There are definitely 5-7 culls in there. The good news is that there's still a decent number of handsome clowns in the making. I'd really like to see if any of them develop Onyx colors like the breeding male and how long it will take for that to happen.

CoralsAddiction
09/25/2016, 04:39 PM
One clown is starting to show the middle stripe
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/EABE920C-8375-4A0B-AF3E-CF774B00E81A_zpse0sbk2nb.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/EABE920C-8375-4A0B-AF3E-CF774B00E81A_zpse0sbk2nb.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/5D1C5A2E-BAF5-4CE3-8B6D-83D6FD5DFFE7_zpsxd88h1tl.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/5D1C5A2E-BAF5-4CE3-8B6D-83D6FD5DFFE7_zpsxd88h1tl.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
09/25/2016, 04:42 PM
Double post

Dkuhlmann
09/27/2016, 07:30 AM
Man I love those stubby clowns. I would get rid of my Mocha pair for a pair of them, and I really do like my Mocha's.

CoralsAddiction
09/28/2016, 11:38 AM
The grow out tank water was a little cloudy this morning. A bacterial bloom might be happening in there. The tank may need a water change just in case.

CoralsAddiction
09/29/2016, 10:23 PM
Here's a quick video update. The clowns are very good and hardy. They get fed three times a day and the tank gets vacuumed with a turkey baster every evening. The clowns are more orange in real life than in the video.
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D-Nak
09/29/2016, 10:52 PM
Looking good. The real test will be when the middle bar starts to grow in, and how many misbars you get. :cool:

CoralsAddiction
09/29/2016, 11:13 PM
Looking good. The real test will be when the middle bar starts to grow in, and how many misbars you get. :cool:

I can't wait for them to fully color up. The main thing I'd like to see is how many of them will be true onyx clowns like the breeding male and how many will be regular true percula like the female :-)

D-Nak
09/29/2016, 11:29 PM
I can't wait for them to fully color up. The main thing I'd like to see is how many of them will be true onyx clowns like the breeding male and how many will be regular true percula like the female :-)

I hear ya. My Picasso/Onyx babies are slowly coloring up and one already has a white dot on its face! I'm not a fan of funky looking Picassos but now that I'm raising my own I'm excited to see the results.

I'm curious to see your results as well -- some of my Onyx babies look like true percs where the black is only on the front half of body.

OrionN
09/30/2016, 05:02 AM
I hear ya. My Picasso/Onyx babies are slowly coloring up and one already has a white dot on its face! I'm not a fan of funky looking Picassos but now that I'm raising my own I'm excited to see the results.

I'm curious to see your results as well -- some of my Onyx babies look like true percs where the black is only on the front half of body.
D-Nak,
We love to see your result also. Pictures please

CoralsAddiction
09/30/2016, 08:31 AM
I hear ya. My Picasso/Onyx babies are slowly coloring up and one already has a white dot on its face!

One of my baby clowns is developing a white spot behind the head stripe in the gill area. It probably won't develop into a Picasso clown. Instead, it may end up looking similar to a C-Quest clown that I had and hopefully just as dark :-)
http://i.imgur.com/nu1aO3O.png

D-Nak,
We love to see your result also. Pictures please
+1

D-Nak
09/30/2016, 01:23 PM
Oh wow. That is a really dark Onyx. Very cool. Was only the head orange?

mountainraised
09/30/2016, 04:16 PM
Healthy, beautiful fish. Definitely a part of the hobby I look forward to attempting.

CoralsAddiction
09/30/2016, 08:57 PM
Oh wow. That is a really dark Onyx. Very cool. Was only the head orange?

Yup pretty dark. This clown had a pretty interesting history. I purchased it from Ali at Amazing Aquariums and Reefs in Orange, CA. She used to be a male. When her mate died (jumped our of the tank) Ali sold me the male. You can see the clown in the second video below, fast forward to 5:00. You you will see her as a male in a gig with a female. Unfortunately she suffered the same fate as her former mate by jumping out of the tank. The first video of her in my tank in a green haddoni.

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CoralsAddiction
09/30/2016, 09:09 PM
Healthy, beautiful fish. Definitely a part of the hobby I look forward to attempting.

Thanks. You'll enjoy it. It's a lot of work and might look intimidating at first. However, watching them grow makes the initial pain worthwhile.

CoralsAddiction
10/04/2016, 04:38 PM
Joyce Wilkerson suggests freezing culls to euthanize them. While its definitely better than flushing the clowns I found that the best way to euthanize deformed clowns is to use them as feeder fish. My female clown from pair 2 really enjoys eating them. i am trying to embed a video but Photobucket is not being nice

Pandagobyguy
10/04/2016, 05:34 PM
Rough but effective thanks for the info^^
Also free food is free food

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CoralsAddiction
10/04/2016, 07:06 PM
Rough but effective thanks for the info^^
Also free food is free food


Interestingly enough the more I cull the better clowns look both as a group and individually.

CoralsAddiction
10/05/2016, 10:01 PM
I got this 12"x6"x6" acrylic breeders box for potentially housing juveniles in the main broodstock tank.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/BA3F7A56-5820-4D38-9942-3C7BE1C22E5D_zpsznohwzd4.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/BA3F7A56-5820-4D38-9942-3C7BE1C22E5D_zpsznohwzd4.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/06/2016, 08:06 PM
^^^the breeder box was a fail. I put about 8 clowns in it and one of them escaped through a hole. My fairy wrasse ate it immediately. I removed the remaining 7 clowns from the box and put them back in the grow out tank with the rest of the group.

White-Queen
10/06/2016, 08:37 PM
^^^the breeder box was a fail. I put about 8 clowns in it and one of them escaped through a hole. My fairy wrasse ate it immediately. I removed the remaining 7 clowns from the box and put them back in the grow out tank with the rest of the group.



Oh no! Yikes....glad you discovered the error before you lost the rest.


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CoralsAddiction
10/06/2016, 09:46 PM
Oh no! Yikes....glad you discovered the error before you lost the rest.


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Yep, would've been bad to loose them all.

CoralsAddiction
10/07/2016, 12:09 AM
Having seen how quickly juvenile clowns can be eaten by non-predators it's mind boggling how even a very small percentage of them makes it in the ocean.

D-Nak
10/07/2016, 12:37 AM
Having seen how quickly juvenile clowns can be eaten by non-predators it's mind boggling how even a very small percentage of them makes it in the ocean.

Yah, and it's crazy that we can feed culls to the adult clowns and they'll eat them with gusto. Mom and pop won't even protect their own kids!

Typically when animals have a large amount of babies, it accounts for the loss that occurs during the growth cycle. Nature has a way of balancing itself out.

CoralsAddiction
10/07/2016, 10:29 AM
I dumped some mini mysis shrimp to feed the clowns yesterday and today half of them seem to have doubled in size. One started to show a tail stripe. I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence but it's pretty crazy.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6FDF9D9B-8C53-49B6-A2D2-4926F691258F_zpso5fvcqum.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6FDF9D9B-8C53-49B6-A2D2-4926F691258F_zpso5fvcqum.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/09/2016, 06:46 PM
The clowns are now 6 weeks old. Here's a video of one that's starting to show the middle and tail stripes in addition to the full head stripe.
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CoralsAddiction
10/09/2016, 06:50 PM
Here's a still image, a screen shot, of the clown in the video
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/4AC29B69-6736-42DA-B5CA-6C7B4229B50C_zps5q9tfcob.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/4AC29B69-6736-42DA-B5CA-6C7B4229B50C_zps5q9tfcob.png.html)

hoaloaken
10/09/2016, 10:11 PM
I'm a big fan of true percula clownfish and this thread is dedicated to my breeding attempt of Amphiprion Percula clowns. The photos below show the male and female. Both are wild caught. The video after shows my first attempt at raising their fry. The babies hatched just over an hour ago. Any breeding tips will be greatly appreciated.
Male photo:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clowns/A4126143-519E-4093-9029-BBC8AC752A78_zpsnraaziv5.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clowns/A4126143-519E-4093-9029-BBC8AC752A78_zpsnraaziv5.jpg.html)

Female photo:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clowns/67AD0CD9-A8B5-4490-BEB5-33FF589FC01C_zpszblzwjt9.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clowns/67AD0CD9-A8B5-4490-BEB5-33FF589FC01C_zpszblzwjt9.jpg.html)
Amazing percula clownfish, I love it too :inlove:

CoralsAddiction
10/10/2016, 05:02 PM
Amazing percula clownfish, I love it too :inlove:

Thank you :-)

CoralsAddiction
10/13/2016, 04:40 PM
Today was rough. I had to cull 5 very undersized clowns. They were about half, if not smaller, the size of the rest of the group. My wrasse loved it though because he got to eat all of them. I am down to about 25. I expect that number to drop to about 20 survivors in the days/weeks to come.

CoralsAddiction
10/16/2016, 11:55 AM
Week 7 update. The grow out tank got very dirty from overfeeding. The clowns have been moved to a breeder net in DT.
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CoralsAddiction
10/17/2016, 04:16 PM
From today. 50 dph
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CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 08:31 AM
I woke up at 6:00 this morning to have some cereal and go to the gym. Instead I found the breeder's box floating in the tank with no clowns in it. After a very quick visual inspection I saw some survivors in the back chamber of my IM Nuvo 40. I removed the skimmer and other equipment. The rescue operation had began. The easiest way to get them would have been with a turkey baster. However, the clowns can't fit in it anymore. So I improvised using a net and a bottleneck cut from a regular plastic water bottle. The good news is I was able to rescue almost all of them. I am down to about 16 now. The bad news I couldn't find the clown that I was really looking forward to seeing develop. He had a white dot behind its right gill.It's been an eventful morning to say the least but I am happy there are survivors. Otherwise the entire breeding project would have been a waste, aside from the learning experience.
Tool of the day
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/D3E3D898-2B8D-4035-BEF6-98DFF4CD02BE_zpsqzbjzcyk.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/D3E3D898-2B8D-4035-BEF6-98DFF4CD02BE_zpsqzbjzcyk.jpg.html)
I have three nano scolys. One of them is looking happy with sweeper tentacles out. Perhaps it ate my favorite clown.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/18B4EF46-C28A-48E2-963D-B9C9D9325866_zpspoom3jmf.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/18B4EF46-C28A-48E2-963D-B9C9D9325866_zpspoom3jmf.jpg.html)

OrionN
10/19/2016, 08:48 AM
I am sorry to hear this. :(

CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 09:00 AM
I am sorry to hear this. :(

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 09:06 AM
My favorite clown with the dot is alive! Yay!

Lloydzxmas
10/19/2016, 09:35 AM
Im happy you were able to find him.


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Lloydzxmas
10/19/2016, 09:36 AM
I always look forward to seeing your updates. Thanks for sharing


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CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 09:48 AM
Im happy you were able to find him.


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I always look forward to seeing your updates. Thanks for sharing


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Thank you.

JonezNReef
10/19/2016, 01:04 PM
Wow thats a crazy morning most wouldn't want to have to deal with. Glad you were able to get most of them and the one you were looking for!! Keep us posted

CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 01:13 PM
Wow thats a crazy morning most wouldn't want to have to deal with. Glad you were able to get most of them and the one you were looking for!! Keep us posted

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
10/19/2016, 05:08 PM
Now that the clowns have grown I decided to put them in the acrylic box. No escapes through the holes yet. I don't think there will be any.
Group shot
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/4709A3E6-73A5-4C9F-8051-DDA3F368D6AC_zpst2lara4t.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/4709A3E6-73A5-4C9F-8051-DDA3F368D6AC_zpst2lara4t.jpg.html)
The new home
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/95541771-8A20-4141-94A4-8EDD1BF796B1_zpse7siaf2x.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/95541771-8A20-4141-94A4-8EDD1BF796B1_zpse7siaf2x.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/20/2016, 02:19 PM
I've never heard so much clownfish talk/sounds since putting in juvies in the clear acrylic box. My male makes the clownfish sounds when the female charges at him. It probably helps that they are wild caught too. Haha

Pandagobyguy
10/20/2016, 03:21 PM
I had no idea they made a noise. Can you hear it on video?

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CoralsAddiction
10/20/2016, 06:29 PM
I had no idea they made a noise. Can you hear it on video?

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Yeah, it's freaky. Not in my video but they make exact same chirping sounds as the clown in the video below. Interestingly enough, I've only heard these sounds with wild caught true perculas. The tank raised Percula and Ocellaris that I've had over the years only exhibited their dominance and submission through body language. Perhaps it has something to do with an unnatural environment lacking a typical social hierarchy in a group of 2-6 clowns like in the wild.
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Pandagobyguy
10/20/2016, 06:40 PM
Wow that is really wierd!!!!!
Ive been wondering if my 2 were tank bred or not but they dont make noise and have started doing the submission dance.
How long did it take for your pair to start making noise? Was it only when they had a clutch?

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CoralsAddiction
10/20/2016, 07:23 PM
How long did it take for your pair to start making noise? Was it only when they had a clutch?


With this particular pair yes, only when they had a clutch. With a pair from before, the male wild Onyx chirped upon initial pairing with a tank raised Picasso clown. The picasso never chirped...or at least not that I ever heard it.
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CoralsAddiction
10/20/2016, 09:09 PM
The breeding pair got an anemone today but I am not removing the pot because there's a decent chance the anemone may need to be treated for bacterial infection.
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JonezNReef
10/20/2016, 09:23 PM
Clowns look like they are enjoying there new host!

CoralsAddiction
10/20/2016, 09:49 PM
Clowns look like they are enjoying there new host!

They sure are. Thanks

OrionN
10/21/2016, 04:26 AM
That anemone is looking good. Hope you don't have to treat him.

CoralsAddiction
10/21/2016, 08:12 AM
That anemone is looking good. Hope you don't have to treat him.

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
10/22/2016, 11:35 PM
The anemone is now in QT undergoing Cipro treatment. It's been nice to take a break from doing daily water changes for rotifer cultures. However, I'll be doing 100% water changes for the next seven days. The anemone looked deflated under the light but then perked up a little after the light turned off in DT...this is obviously prior to QT
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/random/FAF98F3F-DAE8-4C82-A4B9-FEA02C2FB5C6_zpstemyoqep.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/random/FAF98F3F-DAE8-4C82-A4B9-FEA02C2FB5C6_zpstemyoqep.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/random/DAA86C21-2D5E-4732-AD94-081778BDFEA6_zpsvswriysf.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/random/DAA86C21-2D5E-4732-AD94-081778BDFEA6_zpsvswriysf.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/random/276D6772-8F06-4A83-81DC-3693E3BB5C74_zpsfbaeklhu.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/random/276D6772-8F06-4A83-81DC-3693E3BB5C74_zpsfbaeklhu.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/23/2016, 02:32 PM
8 weeks old today. Several of them already have black color on their pelvic fins...right side and left side of picture
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/47593D2B-340F-4126-9713-9F69CE3B4C7A_zpshctnuit9.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/47593D2B-340F-4126-9713-9F69CE3B4C7A_zpshctnuit9.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/23/2016, 05:11 PM
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CoralsAddiction
10/23/2016, 05:49 PM
Peek-a-boo
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/3288EF12-71D1-4863-A4FC-DCAA9F94AFA6_zpsxrfjzsn8.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/3288EF12-71D1-4863-A4FC-DCAA9F94AFA6_zpsxrfjzsn8.jpg.html)

JonezNReef
10/23/2016, 06:57 PM
There looking really good

CoralsAddiction
10/23/2016, 07:21 PM
There looking really good

Thank you

CoralsAddiction
10/24/2016, 07:57 PM
Watching these guys grow and how beautiful they are makes me want to breed more clowns. My holiday schedule is prohibitive due to traveling. Hopefully after new year I can raise a few more clutches.

JonezNReef
10/24/2016, 09:47 PM
It because of well documented post like this thread that I am going to give breeding a go. I know it won't be easy but after reading things like this it gives me hope that I too might be able to enjoy raising a few too.

CoralsAddiction
10/24/2016, 10:41 PM
It because of well documented post like this thread that I am going to give breeding a go. I know it won't be easy but after reading things like this it gives me hope that I too might be able to enjoy raising a few too.

Thank you. I'm happy to share my experience. It's been a challenge but rewarding.

CoralsAddiction
10/25/2016, 04:34 PM
Saw this pair of Picasso clowns today on DD. I seriously considered getting them for breeding until I saw an ultra pinched head on the male.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clowns/F9C5F59B-DF1D-4B14-B4ED-AF615EF4F421_zps9i1ynp2b.jpeg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clowns/F9C5F59B-DF1D-4B14-B4ED-AF615EF4F421_zps9i1ynp2b.jpeg.html)

D-Nak
10/25/2016, 05:27 PM
Unfortunately, the quality of Bali Aquarich clowns has come way down since they first appeared on the market.

If all goes well with my latest clutch, and if you want them, I'll send you a pair of my BA P1 helmet Picasso x Rod's Onyx babies (for freeeeee!):

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m616/dnak1200/02B627B3-C012-44E1-AE43-87321870706C_zpscq6xcibf.jpg

CoralsAddiction
10/25/2016, 05:57 PM
Unfortunately, the quality of Bali Aquarich clowns has come way down since they first appeared on the market.

If all goes well with my latest clutch, and if you want them, I'll send you a pair of my BA P1 helmet Picasso x Rod's Onyx babies (for freeeeee!):

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m616/dnak1200/02B627B3-C012-44E1-AE43-87321870706C_zpscq6xcibf.jpg

Thanks for the offer :-) Those are absolutely gorgeous babies. Looks like I might have to make room for two of them when they are ready :-)
I can return the favor and send you a pair of my babies for free as well :-)

CoralsAddiction
10/25/2016, 11:43 PM
My pair hasn't laid eggs in the last 7-10 days because I went back to LED (Radion) from T5. Photo period has been about an hour longer until I just matched it to previous light schedule tonight. On top of the lighting change I also moved around some rocks, placed the anemone to DT then removed it to QT for treatment. All of these changes must have thrown the breeding pair off but I expect them to resume laying eggs in the next several weeks.

CoralsAddiction
10/27/2016, 09:36 PM
The anemone has done absolutely terrific in QT so far. It's been 5 days. 2 more days to go.
The issue is the breeding pair has been cleaning the flower pot and is getting ready to lay eggs. Putting the anemone in the tank will once again disrupt their breeding cycle. However, the clowns seem to always bounce back quickly in their new environment.
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CoralsAddiction
10/28/2016, 10:53 PM
I've been incorporating some frozen food in their diet. The juveniles started out with oyster eggs which they very much enjoyed. For the last two days or so I've been feeding the baby clowns mini mysis shrimp. They like it a lot.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/11683F10-5925-46E5-8995-01F473EF5FBF_zpsuv4sunhs.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/11683F10-5925-46E5-8995-01F473EF5FBF_zpsuv4sunhs.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/29/2016, 10:00 AM
Good morning RC
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/D961BD22-ABC7-4C5F-A861-A79BA6E56559_zpsnkssunnc.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/D961BD22-ABC7-4C5F-A861-A79BA6E56559_zpsnkssunnc.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/172349E3-7B65-4276-AFB1-7D37F44C6E7B_zpserwts1if.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/172349E3-7B65-4276-AFB1-7D37F44C6E7B_zpserwts1if.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/29/2016, 10:45 AM
Did a 25% water change yesterday and changed the aquascape.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/95DDE8DD-1BC5-44A5-9AB8-CE251AA6B022_zpsw4pndznz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/95DDE8DD-1BC5-44A5-9AB8-CE251AA6B022_zpsw4pndznz.jpg.html)
The anemone is ready to come out of QT
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/37AE55FE-AD9E-4B7A-A69C-B344FA1FFFB0_zpsa6km8mak.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/37AE55FE-AD9E-4B7A-A69C-B344FA1FFFB0_zpsa6km8mak.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/29/2016, 11:23 AM
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CoralsAddiction
10/29/2016, 06:36 PM
Added the anemone two hours ago. Hopping to remove the flowerpot soon
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/23BC8E8C-C979-451B-8D0F-665B62115F49_zpsbxsqu1eo.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/23BC8E8C-C979-451B-8D0F-665B62115F49_zpsbxsqu1eo.jpg.html)

JonezNReef
10/29/2016, 09:33 PM
Wow the nem is looking really good. The clowns look like they are enjoying it as well.

CoralsAddiction
10/29/2016, 09:34 PM
Wow the nem is looking really good. The clowns look like they are enjoying it as well.

Thank you. They are extremely happy. They've been going back and forth between the anemone and the pot feeling a little conflicted :-)

CoralsAddiction
10/30/2016, 10:52 AM
The breeding pair still hasn't completely abandoned the pot :-)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/DF171F42-EC37-4185-9A30-B3EDC0CE6C80_zps9bjikxmp.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/DF171F42-EC37-4185-9A30-B3EDC0CE6C80_zps9bjikxmp.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/30/2016, 11:15 AM
Nine weeks old today. There's a good chance I have an Onyx-Picasso or Semi-Picasso in the making. One guy's middle stripe is wide on the top suggesting a Picasso pattern.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/195F6C4B-03EB-48D4-BEFC-E3230F5B200D_zpskcsfk9ds.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/195F6C4B-03EB-48D4-BEFC-E3230F5B200D_zpskcsfk9ds.png.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/ADDA30A2-78C8-4A17-AFFD-5F9CBF34F7BE_zpskjiqjxb0.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/ADDA30A2-78C8-4A17-AFFD-5F9CBF34F7BE_zpskjiqjxb0.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
10/30/2016, 02:59 PM
Here's a video of clowns eating frozen food. It's a mixture of mini mysis and eggs. I am dumping all of this info in here so that people getting into breeding can use part of what I've done so far in their home breeding program as well.
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http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/1FEF0C54-52AC-4F1B-B6A4-7B02651ABE8E_zpsqhlle03t.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/1FEF0C54-52AC-4F1B-B6A4-7B02651ABE8E_zpsqhlle03t.jpg.html)

JonezNReef
10/30/2016, 05:10 PM
Nice to see them eating frozen food. Keep up with the will documented forum. I am following closely.:bounce2::bounce1:

CoralsAddiction
10/31/2016, 04:09 PM
Nice to see them eating frozen food. Keep up with the will documented forum. I am following closely.:bounce2::bounce1:

For sure

CoralsAddiction
11/07/2016, 12:34 AM
10 weeks old. The parents are still going back and forth between the pot and the anemone.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/FB9BE197-FC8A-46BE-96E9-E0C712FFEF48_zpsw2xouo48.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/FB9BE197-FC8A-46BE-96E9-E0C712FFEF48_zpsw2xouo48.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/7CA2A8EF-8A0A-4E6D-9DFE-E5706BB10476_zpsfwwjqhio.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/7CA2A8EF-8A0A-4E6D-9DFE-E5706BB10476_zpsfwwjqhio.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
11/11/2016, 07:42 PM
I finally took out the flower pot and let the clowns be in their anemone.
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JonezNReef
11/11/2016, 08:19 PM
Looking good. Clowns look really happy along with the anemone

CoralsAddiction
11/11/2016, 08:48 PM
Looking good. Clowns look really happy along with the anemone

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
11/13/2016, 03:23 PM
the babies are 11 weeks old today.
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CoralsAddiction
11/22/2016, 10:27 PM
Took a video of the baby clowns. They are 3 months old.
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CoralsAddiction
11/27/2016, 03:35 PM
Here are the babies at 13 weeks. Patiently waiting for colors to develop but it looks like I might have a couple of Onyx in the group (based on my observations of their pigments; hard to see in the video). Only time will tell but I am itching to raise another clutch in a month or two. Still got a lot of traveling to do in the next several weeks.
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CoralsAddiction
12/04/2016, 05:03 PM
Received a new breeder box from premium aquatics. It's a little smaller than the one I'm currently using. Still traveling a lot and no time for a new batch.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/C9E05A61-E6E8-4977-938C-BF2D3C389779_zpsxi39c5su.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/C9E05A61-E6E8-4977-938C-BF2D3C389779_zpsxi39c5su.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/EB22650D-B5FD-4489-9FE9-C23149A97ABF_zps70jzxpks.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/EB22650D-B5FD-4489-9FE9-C23149A97ABF_zps70jzxpks.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
12/04/2016, 08:20 PM
Here they are at 14 weeks old. Light started to turn blue so the pics are a little darker
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/238BFD6C-210B-4E9B-8865-2C08730BA31C_zpsr2kkwein.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/238BFD6C-210B-4E9B-8865-2C08730BA31C_zpsr2kkwein.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/E9ABAAAF-F6F4-4A2A-AFC5-B4A1F0309ED1_zpspltujgxb.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/E9ABAAAF-F6F4-4A2A-AFC5-B4A1F0309ED1_zpspltujgxb.jpg.html)

AD87
12/04/2016, 11:25 PM
Keep up the good work.

CoralsAddiction
12/05/2016, 08:21 AM
Keep up the good work.

Thanks

CoralsAddiction
12/12/2016, 10:24 PM
I'm still very busy and was out of town this past weekend. I noticed today that my clownfish count went down. Then I found one small baby in the overflow. He went through a small hole of the breeder box that was meant for a divider. I blocked the hole by installing the divider. Clowns are 15 weeks old now. I'm battling algae and might be moving the babies to the 10 gallon tank that's still running. The sponge in the first photo is actually for the grow out tank when the clowns are ready to be moved. I'm seeding it with bacteria.
It's nearly impossible to tell by looking at the pictures but quite a few clowns are showing more Onyx traits than last week.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/3A6F79B0-7B74-4CC0-87E3-195353ABB90A_zps8hosjwjv.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/3A6F79B0-7B74-4CC0-87E3-195353ABB90A_zps8hosjwjv.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/7BF1CFF3-2743-4670-8A82-5FE20FB12F49_zpsyyysccie.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/7BF1CFF3-2743-4670-8A82-5FE20FB12F49_zpsyyysccie.png.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/3459B6AD-552E-4F68-9D4F-D71F379B12B1_zpsdn4lqods.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/3459B6AD-552E-4F68-9D4F-D71F379B12B1_zpsdn4lqods.png.html)

CoralsAddiction
12/18/2016, 06:58 PM
16 weeks old today. Time flies.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6E92F3E0-68AE-469E-BF3F-FE7D9AE665E4_zpsdtujnmdz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6E92F3E0-68AE-469E-BF3F-FE7D9AE665E4_zpsdtujnmdz.jpg.html)

JonezNReef
12/18/2016, 08:13 PM
They grow up so fast LOL. Looking good

AD87
12/23/2016, 05:09 PM
Any signs of black yet?

CoralsAddiction
12/23/2016, 09:33 PM
Any signs of black yet?

A couple of them show it but it's not anything significant. If I didn't cull aggressively like I did here I'd probably have more black ones.

worm5406
12/23/2016, 10:23 PM
Just read this whole thread.

Nice documentation.

Thanks for all the updates!

CoralsAddiction
12/23/2016, 10:24 PM
Just read this whole thread.

Nice documentation.

Thanks for all the updates!

Thanks for reading!

CoralsAddiction
12/24/2016, 08:17 PM
I thought about getting a pair of Ocellaris clowns in addition to my breeding Percula pair but decided to go with....a pair of Blue Rams instead!! I have somewhat limited freshwater fish experience and wanted to expand my knowledge this way.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/D703C4B9-D84B-4A28-B626-E0E3DF463772_zps1mwhywzb.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/D703C4B9-D84B-4A28-B626-E0E3DF463772_zps1mwhywzb.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
12/25/2016, 11:36 AM
Xmas day update. 17 weeks old. Smaller ones are finally starting to catch up in size.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/F299A9B1-8322-43F2-88E1-460BDF81ADC3_zps03lxkgeo.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/F299A9B1-8322-43F2-88E1-460BDF81ADC3_zps03lxkgeo.png.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/FBB49B46-1299-4593-BF10-CB556C79C129_zpsoecjhw3j.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/FBB49B46-1299-4593-BF10-CB556C79C129_zpsoecjhw3j.jpg.html)

vikinglord13
01/01/2017, 04:22 PM
This is pretty exciting to follow. I'm hoping to breed one day so thank you for documenting your experience.

Now that your pair is hosting the anemone, how do you plan to raise the next batch of eggs?

CoralsAddiction
01/01/2017, 05:08 PM
This is pretty exciting to follow. I'm hoping to breed one day so thank you for documenting your experience.

Now that your pair is hosting the anemone, how do you plan to raise the next batch of eggs?

When I'm ready to breed again I'll just put a tile next to the anemone for clowns to lay eggs.
I'm not breeding at the moment for two reasons. First, I've been traveling a lot which leaves me no time to culture rotifers and feed newly hatched larvae. Second, I want to see how the current batch develops in terms of color. It's a small sample size but it should give me a clue.
I say 2-3 more months and I should be ready to raise more babies.

Thanks for following the thread.

CoralsAddiction
01/01/2017, 07:13 PM
18 weeks old. Everybody is doing good.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/577EE112-BD48-437F-A94F-D20D23DA42D9_zpsrz8mff3c.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/577EE112-BD48-437F-A94F-D20D23DA42D9_zpsrz8mff3c.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6881373C-A97F-40BC-82D8-D5384D510E70_zpswtxn1hbz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6881373C-A97F-40BC-82D8-D5384D510E70_zpswtxn1hbz.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
01/04/2017, 05:23 PM
The breeding male looking good!! Wish there was a clownfish show akin to AKC dog show. He would win True Percula contest easily. Lol
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/68742333-7978-428C-8163-71C048D5B2B4_zpsyfomlu0m.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/68742333-7978-428C-8163-71C048D5B2B4_zpsyfomlu0m.jpg.html)

AD87
01/04/2017, 09:11 PM
These babies are going to be perfect! I wish I could take some.

CoralsAddiction
01/04/2017, 09:30 PM
These babies are going to be perfect! I wish I could take some.

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
01/05/2017, 08:00 PM
Pick of the litter. Lol
My favorite of the bunch, dude with a spot.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/9DBE8AF2-7CA4-44C6-AAC6-9F6CC16E820F_zpsvlthhe8u.png (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/9DBE8AF2-7CA4-44C6-AAC6-9F6CC16E820F_zpsvlthhe8u.png.html)

CoralsAddiction
01/08/2017, 05:06 PM
19 weeks old
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/E443D170-DDD3-43D1-9263-4AC729859FD0_zpsuzqfb8xl.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/E443D170-DDD3-43D1-9263-4AC729859FD0_zpsuzqfb8xl.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/C98DA817-4FFF-4184-97CE-978D20EA9C61_zpsu6poxgq0.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/C98DA817-4FFF-4184-97CE-978D20EA9C61_zpsu6poxgq0.jpg.html)

vikinglord13
01/08/2017, 07:06 PM
Look at them just begging for food.

JonezNReef
01/08/2017, 07:27 PM
They are looking really good:thumbsup:

CoralsAddiction
01/08/2017, 07:37 PM
They are looking really good:thumbsup:

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
01/08/2017, 07:40 PM
Look at them just begging for food.

They can eat all day, never turn down food :)

CoralsAddiction
01/10/2017, 04:39 PM
Just a video of the parents with their anemones.
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dreadhead
01/10/2017, 08:18 PM
What a fantastic thread. Thank you for sharing your experience, I'll be following along from here on out!

CoralsAddiction
01/10/2017, 08:47 PM
What a fantastic thread. Thank you for sharing your experience, I'll be following along from here on out!

Thanks for reading. Glad you enjoy it :)

CoralsAddiction
01/12/2017, 05:29 PM
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/anemone/F4D71738-4E75-49BF-838F-9737096D6A7C_zpsyveprlyl.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/anemone/F4D71738-4E75-49BF-838F-9737096D6A7C_zpsyveprlyl.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
01/12/2017, 05:31 PM
I had to cull two more clowns due to defects. I'm down to 10-11 who made the final cut.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/BB0D1438-E1AD-4CB0-97AA-CC53FE1EAF16_zpsokokauw0.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/BB0D1438-E1AD-4CB0-97AA-CC53FE1EAF16_zpsokokauw0.jpg.html)

worm5406
01/12/2017, 08:55 PM
Getting hard to count? Looking good.

CoralsAddiction
01/12/2017, 10:02 PM
Getting hard to count? Looking good.

Yes they are constantly moving around :)

vikinglord13
01/12/2017, 10:13 PM
Your carpet anemone reminds me of a toadstool leather.

Sorry about the culling, what were the defects?

CoralsAddiction
01/12/2017, 10:20 PM
Your carpet anemone reminds me of a toadstool leather.

Sorry about the culling, what were the defects?

Ha. When I had my previous Magnifica anemone someone on YouTube thought it was a torch coral.
One had a defective (open) gill on left side. The other one hasn't grown much since post metamorphosis and was pale in color :/

vikinglord13
01/12/2017, 10:57 PM
Ahh, too bad. We're routing for the rest to fully develop!

CoralsAddiction
01/12/2017, 11:11 PM
Ahh, too bad. We're routing for the rest to fully develop!

Thank you.

CoralsAddiction
01/15/2017, 05:10 PM
20 weeks old :0)
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CoralsAddiction
01/15/2017, 06:15 PM
Pics. Looks like 12 babies
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/B7E7FFA6-6140-4B7B-952E-5606EE73A453_zpsx2f0d0xe.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/B7E7FFA6-6140-4B7B-952E-5606EE73A453_zpsx2f0d0xe.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/1E392DBA-B8CD-48A2-8379-6CBE12D11D47_zpsnovhsji3.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/1E392DBA-B8CD-48A2-8379-6CBE12D11D47_zpsnovhsji3.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
01/18/2017, 06:44 PM
I just placed a tile for the clowns to spawn about 5 mins ago but they keep cleaning the rock area shown in the second pic below.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6EEE2584-E0C4-4721-A371-9F8FCD62AE90_zps8vye9fdf.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6EEE2584-E0C4-4721-A371-9F8FCD62AE90_zps8vye9fdf.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/6456B1A3-2E9A-4A57-987B-F9B4AB592103_zpsbdlngzgz.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/6456B1A3-2E9A-4A57-987B-F9B4AB592103_zpsbdlngzgz.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
01/18/2017, 06:46 PM
Clowns are getting big. Some are 1"+. So I upgraded their pvc fittings from 0.5" to 1". They are happy.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/0C0BC6CB-7830-4FE2-8F23-037DF14B2AD2_zps3wqda8yu.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/0C0BC6CB-7830-4FE2-8F23-037DF14B2AD2_zps3wqda8yu.jpg.html)

worm5406
01/18/2017, 09:38 PM
Ahh glad to see they were cleaning and you saw why.

I bet the fry are happy to finally fit all at once in the tube. I hope they can see mom and dad in the anemones and want to jump right inside when they finally get out and can see one.

CoralsAddiction
01/19/2017, 09:08 AM
I bet the fry are happy to finally fit all at once in the tube. I hope they can see mom and dad in the anemones and want to jump right inside when they finally get out and can see one.

The bigger PVC fittings made a big difference. There's less fighting now.
Based on their habit of seeking shelter within those fittings I think they would be more inclined to accept even an unnatural host anemone or coral. Seeing their parents and smelling nems probably helps a lot too.

CoralsAddiction
01/21/2017, 05:09 PM
I put a ceramic flower pot for the clowns. However, they are still cleaning the rock area as a potential nest site.
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CoralsAddiction
01/21/2017, 08:33 PM
I tried placing two babies in the tank with parents. In the wild, true Perculas live in groups of 2-6 clowns. So I tried replicating what happens in the wild. It didn't go well. Initially I put one. The parents chased it into a corner. Then I added a second misbar baby to disperse aggression. They weren't having it. Luckily catching both babies was easy. they are back in their box safe and sound.
I'm guessing new anemone residents move into with larger clowns while they are still very young, much younger than my babies. Or may be it was just bad luck. Either way, everything is ok now.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/anemone/FC4C77D9-D443-429A-AFCD-54190E937F4E_zpscjifrcat.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/anemone/FC4C77D9-D443-429A-AFCD-54190E937F4E_zpscjifrcat.jpg.html)

vikinglord13
01/23/2017, 07:39 PM
Glad to hear the parents didn't kill the youngling. I'm curious how much larger the babies can get before they seriously start fighting with one another

CoralsAddiction
01/28/2017, 01:12 AM
Well, the breeding pair laid eggs yesterday. This time they did it on the rock. It's a small clutch but I'm glad they're still spawning after taking a couple of months off. Future clutches should and will be bigger. Still no time to raise babies but hopefully that will change in the next month or two.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/8A0EC073-5B09-4ED2-9407-82D65BD1060B_zpspqiy28ux.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/8A0EC073-5B09-4ED2-9407-82D65BD1060B_zpspqiy28ux.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/3E947C05-2AA8-418C-B64E-45C2CA9282E3_zpsryhn89ga.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/3E947C05-2AA8-418C-B64E-45C2CA9282E3_zpsryhn89ga.jpg.html)

OrionN
01/30/2017, 12:39 PM
4 babies found their way to my tank. Here they are in my Magnifica. Set up just for them.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=366518&stc=1&d=1485805062

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=366519&stc=1&d=1485805077

worm5406
01/30/2017, 12:44 PM
Well now... Nothing like a needle in a haystack. How will they ever find their way around? HAHA.

Hey Orion, can you take a video? Just wondering how they interact with each other in there.

OrionN
01/30/2017, 06:08 PM
I don't do video well. No place to upload it. Just stick with pictures for me.

worm5406
01/30/2017, 08:59 PM
Roger. I understand.

In the 265 build I am wanting to do a large gig with a small 8-12 clutch. Was just wondering.

They look like they jumped right in are are right at home.

CoralsAddiction
01/31/2017, 02:07 AM
4 babies found their way to my tank. Here they are in my Magnifica. Set up just for them.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=366518&stc=1&d=1485805062

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=366519&stc=1&d=1485805077

What a wonderful setup for these clowns. :thumbsup:
They look like they are in anemone paradise :dance:

CoralsAddiction
02/07/2017, 05:32 PM
Sadly I had to cull my favorite clown of the bunch. The one with a spot ended up with a severe face deformity. It wasn't obvious until about a few days ago. I think in the future I will wait a minimum of 6-7 months before distributing clowns for quality control.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/FB9BF9BB-37C6-4DAC-9F71-27D06CA159A8_zpslqbfqfdb.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/FB9BF9BB-37C6-4DAC-9F71-27D06CA159A8_zpslqbfqfdb.jpg.html)

worm5406
02/07/2017, 07:54 PM
Cant wait for the next brood.

CoralsAddiction
02/07/2017, 08:27 PM
Cant wait for the next brood.

Thank you. I can't wait either.
I really like what I see from this one batch. Specifically I like the overall body shape of these offsprings. They aren't stubby or elongated and thin. Their dorsal and pelvic fins are on par with what wild caught true percs have. There is still room for improvement. I need to make sure the newly hatched fry aren't hitting the glass which should help with facial and mouth deformities. I'll also get a wider assortment of foods to help with color. Lastly, I think that i will keep the fry in a separate grow out tank moving forward with minimal breeder box use.

Stickboy97
02/12/2017, 07:28 AM
Great read,really makes me NOT want to breed fish ever! LOL. Seems like a ton of work.

I have to ask, why do you cull? Why not let them grow up and see how they turn out.

CoralsAddiction
02/12/2017, 10:08 AM
I have to ask, why do you cull? Why not let them grow up and see how they turn out.

I kept a small, decent looking pair to see how they turn out. That's good enough for me until I start breeding larger quantities.

Culling in general is always a dilemma: my labor and expenses vs quality control. Its easy to take them to a fish store where they would give me $ even for culls. In the end, it's all about the customer, the hobbyist who buys them. Its also about taking pride in what I do. Hard to be proud of raising deformed clownfishes. Lol. Hence the culling.

CoralsAddiction
02/12/2017, 10:39 AM
Here are the two that I kept.
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worm5406
02/12/2017, 11:31 AM
Those two look good. Will be a good addition to a good family.

CoralsAddiction
02/12/2017, 01:26 PM
Those two look good. Will be a good addition to a good family.

Thank you. I'll grow them out for a couple more months and then possibly rehome.

CoralsAddiction
02/15/2017, 10:16 PM
I picked up a small RBTA (picture 1) for the baby clowns just so they have that option. It's highly unlikely they go in it because they feel too comfy and secure in their PVC cap (picture 2). There's no plan to remove the PVC cap to encourage them to go into the anemone. I will monitor the health of the anemone in the container. If it doesn't look too happy in there I'll move it out of it.
Note: I am strongly opposed to forcing clowns into anemones by using tricks like a small container or a tube. This isn't what I'm trying to do. It's an option for the clowns if they choose to go there.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/EF76306B-CE72-4AE4-82BE-D2054399AB89_zpsjahgwzoc.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/EF76306B-CE72-4AE4-82BE-D2054399AB89_zpsjahgwzoc.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/0A0E2C4A-51C7-4C85-A444-FED12F1019DD_zpsjhf6bomp.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/0A0E2C4A-51C7-4C85-A444-FED12F1019DD_zpsjhf6bomp.jpg.html)

CoralsAddiction
03/05/2017, 02:45 PM
Latest update:
I donated my last pair of baby clowns to a Petco store. They will be kept as pets in a frag tank. It was rewarding to see little kids go buy the frag tank and say "look, baby Nemo!". Pure joy.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/F9C9E3F3-3CF4-4F83-9FA4-15DB9BFEB7E3_zpsolnuhc50.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/F9C9E3F3-3CF4-4F83-9FA4-15DB9BFEB7E3_zpsolnuhc50.jpg.html)
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/2ABC2B28-5BD3-4CBE-AFEB-CDF352283C8B_zpsjkha1ypt.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/2ABC2B28-5BD3-4CBE-AFEB-CDF352283C8B_zpsjkha1ypt.jpg.html)

worm5406
03/05/2017, 02:48 PM
Interesting. Your petco has stuff like that in it. Mine does not. I look weekly too. LOL

Lets just wipe off those words and get a new employee to bag them up for me. (hehehe)

CoralsAddiction
03/05/2017, 02:52 PM
Here's a video :)
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CoralsAddiction
03/05/2017, 02:53 PM
Lets just wipe off those words and get a new employee to bag them up for me. (hehehe)

LOL
:spin1::spin1::spin1:

CoralsAddiction
03/17/2017, 10:55 AM
Here is a video of the Petco pair. I went to check on them yesterday. They have doubled in size. I guess keeping them in the smaller breeder box might have slowed down their growth or it might just be coincidence. They're also adding more and more black color on their body especially in the front near the dorsal fin area.
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JonezNReef
03/17/2017, 12:29 PM
Wow my petco has nothing like that as far as a frag tank or even letting you bring in any marine animals. Fish look great too!! Makes me want to go out and get a pair LOL

CoralsAddiction
03/17/2017, 01:00 PM
Wow my petco has nothing like that as far as a frag tank or even letting you bring in any marine animals. Fish look great too!! Makes me want to go out and get a pair LOL

Lol

CoralsAddiction
03/20/2017, 06:51 PM
The breeding pair has developed a routine laying eggs as soon as their previous clutch hatches. Still no time to raise new babies although I wish I had.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa372/CoralsAddiction/clownfish%20breeding/F528CE25-5F4B-44C7-87C7-32B56CA9F97B_zpsv1cspfua.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/CoralsAddiction/media/clownfish%20breeding/F528CE25-5F4B-44C7-87C7-32B56CA9F97B_zpsv1cspfua.jpg.html)

vikinglord13
03/26/2017, 04:12 PM
I'm wonering if there's any chance fry can survive in our tanks

CoralsAddiction
03/26/2017, 05:15 PM
I'm wonering if there's any chance fry can survive in our tanks

Between lack of proper foods, filtration traps and larvae eating fish (pretty much all fish) the odds are significantly against their survival in display tanks.

Breadman03
03/26/2017, 06:21 PM
Between lack of proper foods, filtration traps and larvae eating fish (pretty much all fish) the odds are significantly against their survival in display tanks.



Yep, though it seems that a success pops up on the boards every so often.

CoralsAddiction
07/30/2017, 09:46 PM
I went to Petco today to check out the baby clowns. Only one of them remains alive. Petco employee said she wasn't sure what happened to the other one. The lone survivor looked good. He's gotten a lot darker including his dorsal fin. He had a small white spot on his head which could just be substrate. He adopted a hammer corals as a host.

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