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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 01:53 PM
I've spent the last six months trying to get rid of these a$$holes. I had a pest free tank with all dry rock, and literally got one tiny piece of live rock to see coralline and they overran my tank

I spent 30 hours manually breaking off every single one I could find and in weeks they were back everywhere. I spent the 30 hours again once I realized my sump and skimmer were filled with egg sacks

Eventually I just removed every single piece of rock I had, and threw in a couple new prices for bio filtration and just watched my tank for months. They eventually go all in the three new pieces of rock

I wish I understood how they reproduced. If you look at this pic sometimes the egg sack thing is five times the size of any of the snails.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160901/db8fc34b9148543559450ade30f31fc0.jpg

I've cleaned all my equipment multiple times but they still are around. I have a frag rack and they'll show up on the plugs. Two original pieces that were in there, a acro and green star polyp seem to always have a ton of eggs in them. Like somehow the spores or something is in the rocks.

I'm dying to reaquascape my tank and put the 20 frags I got in place. But I don't want to just come home one day and all the rocks be covered again.

My tanks 300 gallons, bare bottom, with just a couple fish. I can't believe how hard these things are to get rid of and how fast they grow and spread with very clean water with minimal food.



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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 01:55 PM
If you look in the center of the pics you'll see how big that one sac is compared to the snails below and to the left of it. There's also some smaller sacs on there, which is more the normal size. I have three trochus snails and every few weeks I have To scrape a dozen eggs or snails off

Also if you know more about how they reproduce please tell me. I'll get thousands of hard white spirals all over my glass that looks like tiny vermetid fossils. They don't turn into the snails but it's a really hard material and annoying to scrape off

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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 02:04 PM
I've read hundreds of threads on these things. You can't glue them, they're tiny and usually thousands. And as someone that's taken all his rock out several times I can say they're so deep and everywhere in the rock you can never get them all. Here's all my rock in acid making sure they're dead but I can't get them out of my tank.

Also I tried dr Tims refresh or renew. I spoke with him at a conference and he said in high doses his product kills snails. I tried that and didn't do anything.

Trying to get a copper band or six line or puffer is always hit or miss and at best just eats some of the surface ones.

I know they aren't the end of the world but I'm trying to have a nice sps tank. They keep the corals for growing. They're just annoying.

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Potatohead
09/01/2016, 02:04 PM
Following. Mine are not plague proportions but I definitely have a few and they're super annoying. I do have lots of the spirals too but I'm pretty sure they're just harmless filter feeders and I was under the impression they will go away in time when nutrients get really low.

Edit - I do have a six line and he doesn't touch them.

jayball
09/01/2016, 02:11 PM
that round thing looks more like a pinnapple sponge than anything (espically related to verminid).

skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 02:17 PM
It did seem bigger than normal. But looked the same as the smaller ones. I'd be happy I guess if It's a sponge. It also explains why there would be hundreds of them in my sump and skimmer but no adult vermetid snails

But with that being said they're always next to snails in the tank. A regular snail will have two of the brown/purple vermetid and the. Ten of these with it.

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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 02:26 PM
The first photo is just better contrast to see all the white fossils that I said show up everywhere. The last two you can see the normal things that I said are I thought were egg sacks.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160901/fdae3f8902fed40545e61da1379fa56b.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160901/3a06aedcfba3fdfa8b4cb97ec111855a.jpg

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jayball
09/01/2016, 04:10 PM
Those are spiorbord(spelling?) worms. They are not a problem.


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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 05:59 PM
Those are spiorbord(spelling?) worms. They are not a problem.


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And you think the white egg sack thing on the bottom two is a sponge? I'd feel a lot better about my snail removal if those aren't the snails reproducing. But they def reproduce fast either way.


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jayball
09/01/2016, 07:05 PM
And you think the white egg sack thing on the bottom two is a sponge? I'd feel a lot better about my snail removal if those aren't the snails reproducing. But they def reproduce fast either way.


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Google pineapple sponge. A high resolution picture and you eyes will be able to tell better than I can with your pics.

Honestly, you have not posted a picture with vermited snails yet. Have you seen them casting their mucous nets?


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skinsncanes
09/01/2016, 07:25 PM
The very first picture definitely has several of them but it's hard to see. I had just crushed and broken off most of them. But yes they had the nets, spiral shape, def vermetid snails. Though I've apparently been trying to eradicate two other things in the process.


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homer1475
09/02/2016, 06:34 AM
Although I have yet to see an vermetid snails in any of your pics, you do know you have to crush/remove the base to eradicate them, and not just crush the tube structure?

starkii
09/04/2016, 04:29 AM
Google pineapple sponge. A high resolution picture and you eyes will be able to tell better than I can with your pics.

Honestly, you have not posted a picture with vermited snails yet. Have you seen them casting their mucous nets?


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+1 the small white circles you have a spirobid worms. Extremely common and completely harmless. There is no evidence of vermited snails which are normally much larger in comparison.

devastator007
09/06/2016, 07:39 AM
I also don't think those are vermentid snails, though still annoying as they don't look good. I did notice that after adding a sea urchin he did happen to eat a lot of the easy to reach vermentid snails I had in my tank. I'm guessing just luck as he was eating other algea on the rocks, but I'll take it.

tmc1313
09/06/2016, 08:00 AM
I've had and still have vermetid snails pop up once in a while. I make a kalkwasser solution to eradicate them. I make the solution thin enough to suck up into a syringe and then simply inject the solution down into their tube. Works like a charm and has never failed me yet. This is what the little pests look like in case you're not sure.
https://s26.postimg.org/ilnuqlo3t/vermetid_snail.jpg (https://postimage.org)image upload no compression (https://postimage.org/)

mcgyvr
09/08/2016, 10:27 AM
Nothing like wasting all that time on the wrong assumption.. :p
Life is fun like that sometimes..

Bookmark this site for your future reference..
It covers most of the common creatures and says a little about them (good/bad,etc...)
http://www.lionfishlair.com/hitchhiker.shtml

juanm2592
09/18/2016, 02:53 PM
I have a few big ones in my tank, they seem harmless except for bugging corals?

biecacka
09/19/2016, 08:29 AM
Todd, I am going to try that method. I have a few but I don't like them and wor webs hey cast.

Corey

ssick92
09/20/2016, 09:15 AM
I have to agree with the others in that I don't see any vermetid snails in your pictures... Vermemids are MUCH larger than what you show in your pictures (which are actually spirorbid worms).

If you say you've seen them with their nets out, then I guess you are probably right, but nothing in the pictures suggests vermetids...

I think those white things are actually just harmless pineapple sponges, but it is a little difficult to see.

cubbyman60
09/21/2016, 10:57 PM
I have to agree with the others in that I don't see any vermetid snails in your pictures... Vermemids are MUCH larger than what you show in your pictures (which are actually spirorbid worms).

If you say you've seen them with their nets out, then I guess you are probably right, but nothing in the pictures suggests vermetids...

I think those white things are actually just harmless pineapple sponges, but it is a little difficult to see.

Agree with this ^^^.

How exactly do you inject the vermetid snails? Their tube diameters are very small.

biecacka
09/28/2016, 08:29 PM
2 days ago I was epoxying some frags and decided to use a little on a few snails in my tank. Not removal, but hopefully it will work.


Corey

pisanoal
09/28/2016, 09:16 PM
I have vermetids in my 40b. I am planning on moving corals over to my new 125 and trying to not transfer vermetids. In my research I found their reproductive methods. The males cast sperm in their nets and close by females take it in to fertilize the eggs. The eggs mature in the females tube and then the larvae crawl out of the tube and crawl around on the rock until they find a suitable spot. My plan is to cut my coral from the rocks they are on and put them on clean frag plugs. In the process if I see any on the coral, I'll remove it. Either way, everything will be dipped in Bayer and rinsed several times before going into the new tank. Based on what I've read, Bayer should kill any I miss. The only concern was eggs, but since they develop in the tube, there shouldn't be concern for them being on the coral. Anything that might be too small to see the Bayer should kill.

tmc1313
09/30/2016, 08:40 AM
Agree with this ^^^.

How exactly do you inject the vermetid snails? Their tube diameters are very small.

I just use a 10ml syringe (I forget what gauge the needle is) and stick it right down the tube and squirt until it starts flowing out the opening. for snails in hard to reach places or that are growing in weird angles I use a curved needle syringe.

Scottedontknow
10/09/2016, 01:33 PM
i had them in my small tank, all you have to do is reduce nutrients in the tank so they are filter feeders. They reproduce under the right conditions IE... nutrient rich tank. at least this is what i have noticed i may be wrong but i just added an extra skimmer for a few weeks and they seemed to disappear and are no longer an issue for me.

skinsncanes
11/17/2016, 08:15 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/748d5d16ee24ca12acea733911c2909c.jpg

Sorry for the delay but I definitely removed hundreds of vermetid snails. Pic attached. I just didn't know what the pineapple sponges were. I was worried those were the snail spreading. Which caused me to over react a little and nuke all my rock.

I've basically gotten rid of the snails. I just put all my rock back in a week ago and finally mounted 35 frags that were waiting for rocks. Ill occasionally see one or two of the snails so it's manageable enough to pop them off when I see them. Hopefully they don't have enough presence to take over my rocks again

bill120reef
11/20/2016, 04:05 PM
I just fill them with superglue.. never see them again.

skinsncanes
12/15/2016, 10:15 AM
I had the small kind. You wouldn't have been able to find a thousand pin hold sized holes and fill them. I just wanted them out before I got all my sps frags because they were already irritating what I had

Mr. Brooks
12/22/2016, 09:02 AM
Most of the guys posting on your thread have zero experience with this species of vermetid snail.



You cannot eradicate them with reduced feeding or superglue.



Manual removal will not work. They will always come back to plague proportions.



I know because it happened to me.



The only thing that worked was tearing my whole tank down, sterilizing everything and starting over. If you want them gone for good, that's what you have to do.



Then moving forward, inspect, Bayer dip and QT EVERYTHING. Oh and obviously start with dead rock.



If you're unwilling to go that route, be prepared to manually remove them forever.



The problem with manual removal is you'll never get all of them. If you miss one, it'll reproduce. But even if you do get all of them, you can bet your butt there's larva crawling around somewhere. They'll show up soon enough. And as you know, they don't just live on rock. They live in the overflow, on pumps, sumps, heaters, skimmers, cables, everything.



EVERYTHING has to be sterilized.

pisanoal
06/19/2017, 12:37 PM
Most of the guys posting on your thread have zero experience with this species of vermetid snail.



You cannot eradicate them with reduced feeding or superglue.



Manual removal will not work. They will always come back to plague proportions.



I know because it happened to me.



The only thing that worked was tearing my whole tank down, sterilizing everything and starting over. If you want them gone for good, that's what you have to do.



Then moving forward, inspect, Bayer dip and QT EVERYTHING. Oh and obviously start with dead rock.



If you're unwilling to go that route, be prepared to manually remove them forever.



The problem with manual removal is you'll never get all of them. If you miss one, it'll reproduce. But even if you do get all of them, you can bet your butt there's larva crawling around somewhere. They'll show up soon enough. And as you know, they don't just live on rock. They live in the overflow, on pumps, sumps, heaters, skimmers, cables, everything.



EVERYTHING has to be sterilized.

There is some promising information on fenbendazole, an animal dewormer. Seems its an effective treatment for hydroids, but a great side effect of killing vermetid snails. There is a decent thread on it on another reefing site. I'm considering treatment, even though I only have a few, they are starting to reproduce faster.

rajilnaja
06/21/2017, 12:23 PM
A dino outbreak seemed to of managed to kill all mine off. But I'd rather have the snails. :headwally:

jonwright
06/22/2017, 10:16 AM
My population has gone down after having GHA grow a little more...if it ain't worms it's bugs.

pisanoal
06/22/2017, 01:58 PM
Google fenbendazole for killing hydroids. If you use it, you will have to take all snails and starfish out of your tank or risk then dying. Some worms may be affected too, and some gorgs and things like gsp, xenia will die. Fish are unaffected, shrimp are fine, zoas,lps, leathers, sps all fine. Looks like a really good option.

zoafarm
07/11/2017, 09:05 PM
I used fenbendazole to kill off blue clove polyps in my tank a few months ago. The treatment killed blue clove, xenia, waving hand and a couple turbo snails. However, it had no effect on vermetid snails. I would personally not use fenbenazole if you trying to kill these snails.

DarkSkyForever
07/12/2017, 12:53 PM
I had a bunch of vermetid snails in my SPS tank and had just manually removed/glued shells where I saw them. I eventually added a blue spot puffer and it turns out he loves munching them when they pop up. My snails hide during the day, but I don't really mind that too much.

JonCubb
07/15/2017, 12:06 PM
I've resorted to just living with the stupid things, simply because I let them get to epic proportions before I realized they were even a pest long ago...Live and learn.

Anyways, if you do manual removal, make sure you go all the way to the rock when you remove them. When they feel threatened they retreat all the way to the bottom of their shell, and will rebuild the shell after you removed a portion of it. You could do the kalk paste trick, or super glue, but that would only be worth it to me if you have only a few to deal with. If you have as many as I do, you'll be at it for days, and even then your bound to miss one and have to do it all over again once they reproduce.

Best tip I can give other than that, is keep your tank clean. The more detritus in your tank, the more they have to eat. Essentially, starve them out by keeping your tank as clean as possible.

lvdimino
08/04/2017, 05:12 PM
Can anyone tell me what this is?

mike810
08/06/2017, 01:20 AM
I had a plague on them in my 240 gallon tank. I added a melenarus wrasse and they started disappearing. One evening, I watch it snap a vermetid snail off the rock and munch on it.

CindyK
08/14/2017, 08:36 AM
I had a plague on them in my 240 gallon tank. I added a melenarus wrasse and they started disappearing. One evening, I watch it snap a vermetid snail off the rock and munch on it.

Well I wish my melanarus would get busy! I tried supergluing them early on but there were always more.

I have tons of these stupid things in my tank, they came in a frag of zoas I bought at a swap. Any time the sand gets kicked up (which is usually only during my water changes) they cast their little spiderwebs everywhere, but otherwise they don't seem to bother my corals much.

Kayvon
08/14/2017, 08:54 AM
I have seen my yellow coris wrasse eat these as well if anyone is looking for another species.

pisanoal
08/14/2017, 09:08 AM
Scouring the internet, I don't think I have seen any people confirm that any species eats these (reef safe). Some people say yellow coris, others say melanarus etc, but these seem to be isolated cases. Fish also may pick at the tubes, but not actually do any damage.

For those interested, I will start a new thread on some tests I will be doing with chemicals used to treat fully stocked sps display tanks for other ailments (ie. redbugs, flatworms, etc)

tlc
08/21/2017, 10:19 PM
i started micro scrubbing my tank several months ago and i do believe it has halted there growth.

fifthtoe
09/29/2017, 11:24 PM
I had a rock with hundreds of these snails on the underside of it. I re-scaped and placed the rock with the snails facing up. To my surprise, my urchin eventually made its way over to the rock and mowed down at least 70% of them. It's not purposely going after them; but will eat them if they're in it's path, tube and all.