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dartier
11/01/2016, 08:23 PM
Things are starting to move along for my new tank, so I thought it was time to setup a thread to document it. The new tank is a 560G Miracles aquarium (120 x 36 x 30). The tank was originally planned to be a 300DD, but after thinking about it, I decided to get the tank that I wanted rather than settle for the 300 DD. The shared album for the photos is available at https://goo.gl/photos/CJrxdqQaGEmWNGmh9.

This first photo was just after the change of plan. The wall opening for the 300DD was already cut out, but the new tank is 4ft longer so it would require the whole wall to go and the newly laid marble to be removed. The marble in front of the door has already been taken out when this was taken.

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This is the latest photo. The whole wall is being removed and the door relocated into the hallway. The new tank will be visible from 2 sides, though it has starphire glass on 3 sides. My original idea was for a peninsula tank exiting the fishroom and extending into the main room right where the doorway was. I was not able to obtain permission for that idea though. The restrictions put in place are that it cannot extend into the room. So I am hugging bolth walls, but not extending past either ;)

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Hopefully I will be going to Miracles factory soon to see my actual tank. They are only about 40 minutes away from my home.

Dennis

dave.m
11/01/2016, 08:33 PM
No images. What image server are you using?

Dave.M

dartier
11/01/2016, 08:46 PM
Doh. I was trying to get by without resizing the giant photos so I was trying to use Picasa instead of Google Photos since it previously allowed the thumbnails to be linked. Guess I will have to download, resize, re- upload the photos. Photos will be re-appearing shortly.

Dennis

dave.m
11/01/2016, 08:51 PM
Take it easy on the photo sizes. Don't be a menace. ;) (sorry couldn't resist)

Dave.M

dartier
11/01/2016, 08:59 PM
Take it easy on the photo sizes. Don't be a menace. ;) (sorry couldn't resist)


Just for that, my new standard size will be 5 pixels wide by 3 pixels high :)

This is the first 2 photos where the wall was ready for the 300DD.
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This is the latest one where the new tank opening is being made.

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Hopefully those show up OK?

Dennis

iced98lx
11/01/2016, 09:12 PM
Showing up just fine!

dave.m
11/01/2016, 10:18 PM
Only the last one showed up for me.

Dave.M

Rybren
11/02/2016, 05:24 AM
same for me.

Stylo328
11/02/2016, 06:37 AM
Only the last one showed up for me.

Dave.M



Same here. Sounds like an awesome build. Congrats!


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dartier
11/02/2016, 07:05 AM
Hmm, same here (from work). Let me see what I can do. Something must be wrong with the shared folder I made for this specific purpose (forum thumbnails). Hopefully I can fix the folder and the links will start working.

Dennis

dave.m
11/02/2016, 07:15 AM
Perhaps there is a permissions issue (?).

Dave.M

dartier
11/02/2016, 07:18 AM
Weird, links look fine.

Anyway here they are again. They are not really that exciting (of photos) yet, but best to get the photo issues worked out before I have something worth seeing (not showing).

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I pasted these in from a browser not logged into my Google account, and they show, unlike what was happening at home (showing for me in the reply, but not for everyone else).

Dennis

iced98lx
11/02/2016, 08:12 AM
I think google is expiring hotlink URL from public galleries now days to avoid this specific use. It's touchiness is why I converted to photobucket (urgh, down more than they're up).

dartier
11/15/2016, 01:41 PM
Looking for some advice on the number of pounds of dry rock to purchase. As I am in Canada, I will be using the BRS Reef Saver Rock, and just want to get an idea of what people would typically expect to use for a large tank. I know it will largely be based on my personal preferences. I plan to mainly have islands and ridges. The actual rock in the tank will not be the primary means of filtration. That function will fall to the DyMiCo style of filter that I am building to go along with this tank.

The tank footprint will be 120" x 36".

I plan on doing one big order from BRS in the next week, so any advice would be appreciated.

Dennis

DasCamel
11/15/2016, 01:49 PM
300-400 pounds? Really depends how heavy you want to go. Easy to go 500+

Rybren
11/15/2016, 08:03 PM
I can't speak to how much rock you need, but have you looked at reefsupplies for the rock? It's about the same price as BRS but in Canadian $. My LFS will bring in Marco rock by the 50lb box at a great price. I'm sure that one of the local Toronto stores would bring it in for you.

dartier
11/16/2016, 03:44 AM
300-400 pounds? Really depends how heavy you want to go. Easy to go 500+

I was thinking about 400 pounds would be a good starting point, so it sounds like I am in the ball park.

I can't speak to how much rock you need, but have you looked at reefsupplies for the rock? It's about the same price as BRS but in Canadian $. My LFS will bring in Marco rock by the 50lb box at a great price. I'm sure that one of the local Toronto stores would bring it in for you.

I buy most of my stuff from Reef Supplies, and I would be the last person to suggest (a Canadian) buy from BRS due to the crazy (19%) surcharge they apply. But since they ship for free (within the US), it is worth the drive to the border to go pickup a mega order of rock, sand and Reborn media. In comparison, RS charges extra for shipping of these goods. I suppose I could also drive to La Belle Province, but Niagra Falls US, is a lot shorter of a drive. I will email Ray at Reef Supplies just to be sure that there is not a way of using them.

Dennis

Rybren
11/16/2016, 04:06 PM
Shipping to a US address is a good way to do it. I use a UPS store in Ogdensburg NY for big ticket items. I always declare it at the border and pay the tax. It is still cheaper than having things shipped here, especially if it via UPS or FedEx.

I hope that Ray comes through for you. Have you reached out to Shawn (Mr. Wilson) he has a shop in Oakville and maybe he could work something out for you.

dartier
11/16/2016, 08:00 PM
Shawn is at Aquatic Kingdom now. I will ask him if something can be arranged locally. Thanks for your input Rybren.

Dennis

dartier
12/27/2016, 06:13 AM
Here are the latest photos of where the tank is going to be installed. Hopefully they post ....

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The tank is done and is getting its final cleaning today. I am trying to arrange to visit Miracles today to have a look at it. It will be interesting to see what Miracles view of when it can be installed now that I have sent them photos of the yard and access to my basement.

Dennis

whyamisofly
12/27/2016, 08:48 AM
Images don't show for me - when I attempt to open them in a new tab, it asks for me to sign in to google.

dartier
12/27/2016, 02:26 PM
Images don't show for me - when I attempt to open them in a new tab, it asks for me to sign in to google.

Weird. My test to make sure that they are visible is to open the page in Safari that is not logged into a Google account, and they show in that browser.

Dennis

m0nkie
12/27/2016, 02:32 PM
I use imgur to upload photos now. Need to resize the image with paint or photoshop first though.

I have the exact same tank size as you. I used about 400lbs of dry rocks. It doesn't look like much inside. Giving it a "minimalist" look. I also put in about 50liter of Siporax in my sump for bio filtration.

dartier
12/27/2016, 02:50 PM
When I arrived at Miracles I was a bit surprised at the scale of the new tank. I was contemplating getting it 4ft wide rather than 3ft, but after seeing it, 3ft is plenty wide enough.

While I was there I stopped at a 5000 gallon tank they were building. Yikes, I would rather not have to don hip waders to do maintenance! But it was pretty cool. My fishroom would have ended up being, well a fishroom.

Here are the photos of it before the silicon has been cleaned up. The eurobrace on the overflow end was there, but was removed before the photos. I asked if they could drill a couple of cordways in it, and before I knew they had it removed and the holes drilled.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KD78arGopa_ByJKoMtVt1L52oFj9ZzGC-CYORXZHvA1UFNwp1lF8TfVI9wOIclSSj-_pn5WMHHne2WSznejDMwLizK3Hi8GKoJ_Ll2EHOxS4oHsR6pmbi1Muo0-BdUjYd_2vTA=w2124-h1195-no/IMG]

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The overflow grating is sitting against the back of the overflow in the photos, but it slides into slots in the overflow.

As always, let me know if the photos show up.

Dennis

Rybren
12/27/2016, 09:38 PM
The photos show up for me and the tank looks great.

Stylo328
12/27/2016, 10:06 PM
Photos are good and the tank looks amazing. Congratulations!


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dartier
12/28/2016, 04:04 AM
Thanks guys.

I seemed to have messed up the side shot in all the pasting between browsers. Here it is.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KD78arGopa_ByJKoMtVt1L52oFj9ZzGC-CYORXZHvA1UFNwp1lF8TfVI9wOIclSSj-_pn5WMHHne2WSznejDMwLizK3Hi8GKoJ_Ll2EHOxS4oHsR6pmbi1Muo0-BdUjYd_2vTA=w2124-h1195-no

Dennis

dave.m
12/28/2016, 02:12 PM
I know everyone hates cross-braces but I would really suggest adding two across the top for such a long tank. Just my opinion, of course.

Dave.M

dartier
12/28/2016, 05:38 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Dave. I will run it by Miracles. I seem to recall that I did ask them originally when I saw the drawings for the tank and was surprised that no cross braces were used. They said with 3/4" glass and euro bracing that they were not required. The empty tank weights a 1000 lbs!

Dennis

OurCoralReef
12/29/2016, 05:35 AM
Beautiful following along

dartier
12/29/2016, 07:59 PM
I emailed Derrick at Miracles about possible cross braces. He repeated it was not necessary, but since I am running 4 gyres, that it would not be a bad idea.

So now I have to be sure that cross braces are not going to drive me crazy. I was relieved when I found that it would not have cross braces, so it will take some getting used to the idea.

The lights that I am using are AP700's, 5 in total. They will be mounted from front to back with each unit covering 24" of the length. As they will be mounted from front to back, the actual footprint will be 24" x 36". Anyways, to make the braces not interfere with the lights, the only spacing that makes sense is on 24" centers. That would mean a brace at 24", 48", 72" and 96". Although I know that this will greatly strengthen the tank, I can't help but already miss that 10 ft of pure unobstructed access. The actual access way in each section will be 20" x 28" when the braces and euro bracing is accounted for. Not going to make it any easier to reach the bottom directly under a brace. But I just measured my reach, 27" and the tank is already a 30" tank, so I was already a behind the eight ball in that regard.

Looking for feedback, go with 4 braces and hopefully increase the longevity of the tank or go with none?

Dennis

dave.m
12/30/2016, 12:26 AM
I would think two braces 4" wide would be sufficient.

Dave.M

CrayolaViolence
12/30/2016, 02:01 AM
wow beautiful tank. Just amazing.

Ricardo18
01/01/2017, 07:02 AM
I would definitely suggest cross braces. That is a long tank.I live with 2 myself and it is not really a big issue with shadowing.You loose maybe 50 PAR but only on a thin sliver of area....BUT I sleep at night!!!!!

vikinglord13
01/01/2017, 03:58 PM
Another build with great potential. I should start charging RC for all the time it takes away from my day ;)

ali1
01/01/2017, 04:49 PM
Love your transparent overflows. Big black boxes internal sucks

dartier
01/02/2017, 06:33 AM
Love your transparent overflows. Big black boxes internal sucks

Thanks. I made a point of asking for an external overflow box. One of the perks of a custom designed tank. When I was planning on using 300 DD originally, trying to think of a way to deal with the 2 overflows was stressing me. Removing the need to try to hide them using aquascaping was a huge relief.

Dennis

dartier
01/02/2017, 06:41 AM
I would definitely suggest cross braces. That is a long tank.I live with 2 myself and it is not really a big issue with shadowing.You loose maybe 50 PAR but only on a thin sliver of area....BUT I sleep at night!!!!!

I agree. Very long tank. I was a bit taken back at how long it was when I saw in person for the first time.

I have decided to heed the advice of members and have requested 2 cross braces, one at 48" and one at 72". With that positioning, my center AP700 should not be affected by the cross braces. I have 8 80W T5's that I was planning to also use, and if I go ahead with those, only a 4" strip towards the end of each bulb (where it crosses a brace) will be affected. However I may hold off on the T5's anyway and start off with AP700's only. I can grow LPS all day long, but the SPS touch eludes me for the most part. We will see how my DIY DyMiCo filter turns out and if I have reasonable results with Montipora.

Dennis

OzIA
01/02/2017, 01:02 PM
Dennis,
Very nice. Huge, in fact. What is that existing lip / brace made of? Glass, acrylic or poly-carbonate?

Also, what will the braces you are adding be made of?

Regarding the dry rock. I would go with dry Pukani. I would swear that it is half the weight for the same physical volume of rock. You should verify that but it feels much lighter and at only $1.20 a pound more, would probably cover at least the same volume, dollar for dollar.

Ricardo18
01/02/2017, 04:00 PM
You have chosen wisely!

dartier
01/02/2017, 04:21 PM
Dennis,
Very nice. Huge, in fact. What is that existing lip / brace made of? Glass, acrylic or poly-carbonate?

Also, what will the braces you are adding be made of?

Regarding the dry rock. I would go with dry Pukani. I would swear that it is half the weight for the same physical volume of rock. You should verify that but it feels much lighter and at only $1.20 a pound more, would probably cover at least the same volume, dollar for dollar.

Aaron,

Thanks. The euro bracing is made of 12 mm glass (1/2"). The new cross braces will be made of the same material.

For the rock, I went with BRS Reef Saver as it was the only rock that the BRS site indicates can be imported into Canada without stiff tariffs. Pukani does not fall into this category unfortunately. I ended up driving it across the border myself anyway, and Customs Services did not even look at the order, but I did not want to take the chance of having a bunch of rock that was stuck on the wrong side of the border. The 400 pounds of Reef Saver that I bought probably will not even make a dent in the space I need to fill now that I have had a chance to see the tank up close. So I expect I will need to supplement the Reef Saver with locally sourced rock.

Dennis

OzIA
01/04/2017, 07:57 PM
Hmmm. Wonder what the deal is with a"formerly live" rock and Canada?

dartier
01/05/2017, 09:30 PM
Hmmm. Wonder what the deal is with a"formerly live" rock and Canada?

I suspect it is because the Reef Saver rock is from terrestrial sources whereas the Pukani is harvested from the ocean. That is the only reason I can think that dry rock would have import duties. We have the same issue with calcium reactor media that is coral fragments (in Canada). The one exception is the TLF Reborn media which does not seem to fall under this clause (thankfully).

Dennis

cesarjimen
03/16/2017, 08:32 PM
Any updates on the build? Receive the tank yet?

I have a 450 gal on order from Miracles :)

dartier
07/23/2017, 09:28 AM
Any updates on the build? Receive the tank yet?

I have a 450 gal on order from Miracles :)

I have been lax in updating this thread (though not much has happened after the tank delivery, although that is about to change). Without further ado, here is the tank being delivered by Derrick and the Miracles crew.

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They constructed a sled to "slide" the tank down a moderate hill into my back yard (this is Canada after all!). I was pretty skeptical, but it worked great. At least until they got to flat ground. Then not so much.

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The stand alone was hundreds of pounds, so it got the first use of the sled.

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Now for the unloading of the tank. I was holding my breath at this point because I had visions of this thing hitting the pavement and ending up in a million pieces. But they knew what they were doing :)

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(continued in next post)

dartier
07/23/2017, 09:31 AM
They are now at the base of the hill and the sled is no longer practical.

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The last stage is to get it into place and on the stand.

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dartier
07/23/2017, 09:33 AM
The final result with the tank in place on its stand.

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My next project for this (which is underway) is a sliding work platform and light racks. Then the facade will need to be added. I am planning on using magnetic attachments so that much of the facade can be removed incase I need to access the front from the top or bottom.

Dennis

McPuff
07/25/2017, 02:37 AM
Impressive tank. Looking forward to seeing how you close it in.

crimsonblue
07/25/2017, 04:48 AM
Where do you plan on putting the powerbeads? 5 across the back or large gyres on the sides?

ssgss gogeta
07/25/2017, 05:03 AM
560G! And I was getting a headache over my 260 build. Gonna be following along


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dartier
07/25/2017, 09:13 AM
Where do you plan on putting the powerbeads? 5 across the back or large gyres on the sides?

I wanted the pumps to blend into the tank, but did not want to drill the panes (for closed loop, etc.). So I will be using 4 XF280 gyres, 3 on the (black) end with the overflow, and 1 on the far end of the tank. On the end with 3, 2 will be mounted vertically and 1 horizontal. Each pair of gyres will be on a maxspect controller. This should give me pretty random flow as they ramp up and down randomly with the 2 end units and the direction of rotation changing on the vertical units.

I have not used the new controllers yet, but they are supposed to be much better than the 1st gen ones. I guess I will see. I also bought a spare XF280 so that I can have a spare to swap in for cleaning.

Hopefully the 280's are not too powerful for this tank.

Dennis

xoomer
07/25/2017, 12:51 PM
Weird, links look fine.

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Dennis

Off topic, the tile laying system you'er using, what is it called and where did you pick it up. How is it working for you?

dartier
07/25/2017, 01:40 PM
Off topic, the tile laying system you'er using, what is it called and where did you pick it up. How is it working for you?

I am not sure what brand of clips the tilers were using. I have seen the same ones at HomeDepot (or very similar). Lowes will have them as well. The wedges are applied with a tool that looks like a set of pliers. The decoupling membrane was supposed to be Schluter Ditra, but the tilers ended up using a different brand out of Germany, Ardex Flexbone I believe.

If I had to do it over again, I would not go with Marble, but instead would go with a porcelain tile as they are pretty much indestructible. With the marble, we had a lot of broken tiles as the force from the wedges could easily apply enough pressure to crack a tile. With porcelain you can pinch them down much harder and get a perfect level plane.

Oh, and if you go with a decoupling membrane, you need to use a polymer modified adhesive to stick the membrane down, then a normal thinset on top. By using the polymer adhesive under the membrane it allows it to move enough to provide the decoupling from expansion. In my case my floor has embedded heating pipes in the slab with hot water circulating through them. This will cause some expansion.

Dennis

dartier
08/06/2017, 08:00 PM
I finally started on the framework that will support the tank facade, as well as a sliding work platform, so I can lay on my stomach and reach down into the tank. I still will not be able to reach the bottom, but should be good for reaching the rock work.

This structure will also have vertical rails on each end for my light platform to ride up and down on. that way I can retract it up behind the bulkhead and give me 20" of clearance (minimum). The ends will also be attached to 2 joists in the ceiling.

The first order of the day was building a jig so that I could figure out where the mounts for the threaded rod were going to land on the 2x4 pads.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BXFFJh-qw0badfrvtn21Epi69iyKuERiJ9vk1qf8i-jmR5U5_VvjxTcUXqLNkEfeLHMtNvJykdW2xOPGgtozieErzIz3YiBIbCsnjBp1MZitq57ftRfe7GdzbgvXQ-H-lKmd48w0FW3-izuX9nyoIXY9QGp7ACK3IP_iPwtYctAF4iNGkcZbgKhC6i_HUYsXphjiiSRZ5t09J7uIF2jiOtSsMnR8l08I7sKUrPYYcl6IID7i 7kfx24VaoXE3QVSjFSDf0vYP5-fBUNVQ70TDxZzpFwJQaGyY2ZGa-B_iJzl3BsalX6QCuHsDdnyR7_KjtrHt9fUERckJgdXQOMVk2-jY5df30hMD4f7dVrw1Eyz_aQ3KrNCMVvIxk1WG7ZE6sWB5NvZwP7JKX2wL7jYopOnkb_qKEcDecg1ZvmybtJ6Qiyg36A241_hMgA Q6N2mmVscWidYLPqOk53bfsMSVY4bunAGcLnb32QMcaJV-nNOofCnCnzIzEvxZKDW-XkFMFJb3WWW83iJx0zMKZIjyrtPv47C_FvGn6wiM4dZbDB40L6_EgE6n_vx3sNxp3OfoTA87_6homyRro18iDRcKg2gzXAYnEYGo 2sHKrRX7upQhNlXdx9S1J2MOhuAeZCtYC7xA5IQAadMcGpDOU99oIPxtjApYyJxOcd91iAbNDuIzFw=w747-h1328-no

Then I constructed the front supports, that "hang" off the top rail attached with the threaded rod. The bottom beam is a C-Beam (profile is like a C on its back), and the inner rail will be used for the 2 small carriages that will be the front side of the work platform. In the photo it looks lower in the middle, it is not, it's just because their is no foam there so it looks that way in the photo. As each end is a 1.5M extrusion, joined in the middle, I used a total of 9 connectors to keep the 2 pieces from deflecting. When I put my weight on the center joint, it does not deflect at all. Most of the support will come from the end members that will be attached to ceiling joists anyway.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/SKo87FF-prHSqBNiK6FHupfmBDqMOzQn-33vCJk1HGwhAYJ3oPvU0oEOy-bGuv5bn8ThdbQbZpzVF8fTPga73JGwYPcvF2HiNVRmT8ysmVgEh6URpTAMvZ-vAkwtrtAzcAYNw046Ng=w1328-h747-no


Tomorrow will be the back rail and starting on the uprights that support the back down to the floor.

Dennis

dave.m
08/07/2017, 10:54 AM
No images. I hope you haven't got caught in the Photobucket trap.

Dave.M

dartier
08/07/2017, 11:57 AM
Thanks for pointing out the photo issue Dave. Not directly Photobucket related, but it seems like Google has made it more difficult to do 3rd party linking through photos.google.com. So maybe indirectly related to Photobucket.

I will have more progress to post later. Today being a holiday and all.

Dennis

whyamisofly
08/07/2017, 12:43 PM
First photo isn't loading, but the second one (tank, stand, and canopy) is showing.

dartier
08/07/2017, 04:53 PM
Gah, this really should not be this hard! There, fixed (I think). It is showing up in a private session on a browser not logged into my Google account.

Just to add insult to injury, here is the photo of today's progress.

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I added the back rail and rear support. I was planning to get the rear supports cut and mounted butted under the back support, but then I noticed the distance to the floor was different by 7 mm end to end. So that got me to thinking i had better wait till I have at least filled the tank with fresh water as the levelling legs may need some more adjustments. I don't want to have supports cut to fit dimensions that were modified.

That is enough for today.

Dennis

whyamisofly
08/08/2017, 09:08 AM
Gah, this really should not be this hard! There, fixed (I think). It is showing up in a private session on a browser not logged into my Google account.

Just to add insult to injury, here is the photo of today's progress.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HeTnDnRp7Khz8YPZ1luDrhJNeSWFY8MmEdftAn9OovH8agGemTrPgDm3V-Ddepg6IP_-ua5lYLb2RwMLvR7_mH1_LhwCbZXbjx3jzN87_-8ouX4mqi-EmWWMkEIMCAt70sEICym6HMjQg7_uXMpW3-P5hj2vrp7eQMYFiog6jeURM2WvM2ccmV9MmuxW0ef0iWbj71h4wJ7SBoK1jJAZu8Yh9GjLtS-3SPp5daT86jicMQxEJi8WY-E6P3kcH7YYmzny-fUitJMT-jUaZC7AACazK1r2ddsuiGc4Odoax31ucq4u8O8_NxNLE8SuvmVUAW2fISderT4HcnIOF2jtVffj4Jl4Csrm86KFEFL5XNjeF3J3L YonyGjKhke8i0j15A9vUlQnSGvLX_afxkdbaP5OKvpsHqu6_JHInFffwHyLjgyXJ2ib0EKnYtlTjQLu2HfPTOuVCLu6rFlfJCgA7 LWBh76wHrNbCEVqR9xLhtZCj9NaxfAji_TaiPqvwAbLWWZ59wYsrevBVjJrxkjmgF2Hc8GAtaXCpMe-MAfZ1rBoxnf_mO1ieFAwAaczF696OqFLSa9q03BeS3buuAhMvCR1ZFaKdfuP4SxQac6PjovTQ5v3CXQEQ3_a=w1328-h747-no

I added the back rail and rear support. I was planning to get the rear supports cut and mounted butted under the back support, but then I noticed the distance to the floor was different by 7 mm end to end. So that got me to thinking i had better wait till I have at least filled the tank with fresh water as the levelling legs may need some more adjustments. I don't want to have supports cut to fit dimensions that were modified.

That is enough for today.

Dennis

First and second photo are now showing in the previous thread.....but the picture above is not showing.

dartier
08/08/2017, 01:31 PM
Ok, I am getting the feeling that Google must make recently uploaded, shared photos, available under a transient URL And then move it to a permanent one later. I have fixed the above picture. Let's see if it stays fixed.

Dennis

whyamisofly
08/08/2017, 08:44 PM
All are displayed correctly now!

mtlreeffreak
08/14/2017, 11:03 PM
any updates?

ClownfishNut
08/16/2017, 03:32 PM
Great looking tank! Following along!

dartier
08/25/2017, 03:55 AM
Not a lot of visible progress to report. I have been working on the vertical supports to the floor joists. Two are installed in the photo below with the 3rd not installed. I have run out of T nuts, so I am waiting for another order to arrive. In the meantime I am redesigning the rear structure and planning the mezzanine for rear access. Oh, and I partialled filled the tank and leveled it.

This photo is from inside my fishroom to show how the supports will hang from the floor joists in the ceiling above.

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I hope to get some more parts cut this weekend and test fitted.

Dennis