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11/27/2016, 09:34 PM
So I am in the planning stages of changing out my entire fish room and set up. I currently have a 180g in wall with a separate 40gB system. I bought my first 180g in a hurry after cracking my 65g and ended up with a scratched up tank that worked. Also I kind of pieced the system together over time and tried a few different things. Over time it became a mess as far as plumbing and equipment. One thing I always hated about the tank outside of the scratches was the giant overflow inside taking up almost 2 sq ft of tank. My plan now is to take everything out of the fish room and start over.

I want to replace the current 180g with a new 180g that I recently bought. This one is scratch free and also hasn't been drilled yet so I can do whatever overflow I want. Also I had someone give me a 120g 6'x2'x16"acrylic tank that needs a bit of TLC. I would like to use this 120 to replace the 40gB system and make it a separate breeding system. The new tank will be moved over one and a half feet from the current 180s resting place. So I have to recut the wall and make a new stand. This is so I can run the 120 along the wall at the far end of the tank.

This is the current 180
Good thing I didn't finish the wall yet. We were not sure what color we wanted the wall and what trim to use. It was a 65g and 40g in wall before the 180.
Here's the two before I up sized

I got the first 180 and before we could decide what we wanted to do with the wall I started talking about changing things anyways because of getting the free 120.
Here is the 120g Acrylic
It has a small crack in one corner but I plan on re finishing the front panel and lining the inside with opaque cast acrylic on the bottom, back and side walls. I also plan on dividing it into 3 sections giving each pair of fish about a 30g section.
This is a future project after I complete the 180g

Here is the 180g I just bought

11/27/2016, 09:56 PM
I plan on making a DIY ghost style overflow on a side wall like a peninsula tank. I have a HOB overflow I am considering modifying into one. The over all size of the boxes are close to the size of a 1000gph eshopps eclipse. So I am considering cutting the hob overflows top off and drilling holes for 1.5 inch bulkheads. I will add a gasket between each point the bulkhead passes through. Then adding a third drain hole in the back box so I can run a bean style drain.
Here is the HOB overflow
Needs to be cleaned up a bit but I think it could work. My current return after head loss is about 900gph

11/30/2016, 02:27 PM
So I decided that I am going to modify the HOB overflow. So I went ahead and ordered three 1 inch bulkheads, two 1.5 inch bulkheads, six 1.5 inch gaskets, and 60mm glass hole saw. I might get some weldon 40 or 1802 and use it to bond the bulkheads to the acrylic. But before I do that I would like to make sure that the overflow wont be too small so I will test it with the gaskets. If it doesn't work then I will be ordering some more acrylic to build my own ghost overflow.
So for now I am going to clean up the HOB OF and cut the top edge off of each box. Then I need to decide if I am going to drill the side like a peninsula tank or in the back. Its a in wall tank but I am leaning towards the end so I can also view the whole tank from the fishroom side. Also I need to figure out if I want the returns on the same side as the OF or on the opposite side.

12/05/2016, 11:09 AM
What Weldon would be best to adhere two sheets of acrylic together?

12/05/2016, 11:27 AM
Google is your friend. Weld-On #4 for Acrylics. It's available from amazon.com.


12/05/2016, 12:46 PM
I was asking encase there was a different one used. Also I wasn't specific, when I was asking about adhering 2 sheets I was meaning flat side to flat side not edge to edge. I have been googling a lot actually and haven't seen anyone specify when they did adhere two sheets this way. Only saw people using #4 for seams.

12/05/2016, 01:32 PM
I think if you roughen up the surfaces first it should work fine for flat faces. You could always try a test run first on some smaller scraps.

There are quite a few videos on Youtube about working with acrylic. You might find something helpful there, too.


12/09/2016, 05:24 PM
So I am waiting on the rest of the parts to get in so I can finish working on my overflow. Also these holidays have slowed things a lot. One plus is I have a week and a half off from work coming soon and hope to really get a few things done.

So in the mean time I am now planning on using my current 180 as a sump for the new 180 since the current 180 is scratched up like crazy. I plan on ordering 1/2inch glass for baffles but first have to figure out how I want to section off the 180 to get the most out of it being such a huge sump.
One idea is to make it a standard 3 section sump. First section being 12" wide by 18" tall for the drains and skimmer. Then a 48" by 18" section for a fuge and ATS. And the the last section a 12" section for the return pump and ATO. My other idea is I could tie in the 120g breeding tank and have the sump set up with a drain and skimmer section on both ends and then have the middle as a return and ATS section and just leave out the fuge completely. Still not very sure on this and might go with the first idea and just have 2 separate systems. Either way I will need to buy more wood and design a new stand so I can fit the 180 below as a sump because the current stand is only big enough for a 40gB.

Also I am working on setting up my temp tanks to hold everything until I get the switch completed. I will be using a 120 and a 65 gallon tanks or two 120's if my one doesn't sell but need to find a place in the house where I can do this without it getting I the way and angering my wife. LOL

12/10/2016, 04:46 PM
So I called Marineland and also checked with polarized sunglasses and made sure the glass isn't tempered just for ease of mind.
Today I worked on my DIY ghost OF. I went ahead and cut the old HOB OF down and added a third drain hole. Once the bulkheads get here and I will cut the holes in the tank And then cut the holes in the OF boxes

12/18/2016, 04:29 PM
Hey Jonez! Following along

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12/18/2016, 08:49 PM
So I am trying to get ready for upgrading my fish room and tanks. I want to use the 120 as a temp holding tank while I swap out the 180s. So I cleaned up the 120g acrylic tank and started a water test. Before I could start the water test there was a small piece of quarter inch acrylic that was about 1" x 1/2" attached to the bottom of the tank for some reason. This was keeping the tank from sitting flush so I grinded it off and sanded it smooth before I started the water test. The overflow box had a pipe though it for some unknown reason and come to find out the pipe was busted so I couldn't fill the tank as much as I had hoped. Not sure what the owner before had it like that for but it will be an easy fix.
That is the pipe that was though the OF box so I took it out and now there is another thing to fix.[emoji849]
Here is a picture of the hole in the bottom of the OF after I took out the pipe. It's the size of a 1/2" pipe
So I am going to order Weldon 4 and 16 this week so I can patch that hole and the small crack in the corner. I plan on using acrylic that I cut from the HOB OF box for these.
First I will have to clean off the epoxy but as of right now it holds water even with these minor flaws.

12/18/2016, 08:51 PM
Hey Jonez! Following along

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Thanks for tagging along. Not sure if my setup will be half as nice as yours but we will see how it ends up. I know I am going to take your lead and take my time and make everything as nice as I can.

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12/21/2016, 07:47 PM
Thanks for tagging along. Not sure if my setup will be half as nice as yours but we will see how it ends up. I know I am going to take your lead and take my time and make everything as nice as I can.

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Looks awesome so far, I respect the DIY hustle you will appreciate your setup more! Keep taking pics!

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12/24/2016, 09:12 AM
So today my glass hole saws, gaskets, and acrylic glue came in. Unfortunately my 1.5" bulk heads didn't and I found out today they ended up getting back ordered. So while I wait for that piece of the puzzle I will get done what I can.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161223/0eb4e2a42cf371bca47ea84c92b0deb8.jpg
The first plan of action will be to drill the glass and overflow boxes. If the tank is still together after I drill it I will move on to fixing the acrylic tank. If I destroy the tank drilling it I will take the rest of the day off to drink adult beverages until I can't remember what happened. [emoji481][emoji482]🥃For the acrylic tank I am going to add a piece of acrylic inside the tank over where the small crack is in the corner. I will also add a piece over and under the hole in the overflow.
I plan on using the acrylic 120 as a temp holding tank until I get the wall and tank stand built and the new tank in place. But in order for me to get that done, that means I will have to move all the tanks and old stands in the fishroom out and build a new stand and set up the 120 in one day.

12/24/2016, 03:48 PM
How did the drilling go?

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12/27/2016, 12:49 PM
Just drilled the 180 today and everything went very well. Also was able to get the overflow made and tested it out.

12/27/2016, 05:48 PM
Nice!!! That looks great! I see you dropped the overflow on the short side there. The diy looks awesome, did you just use standard abs bulkheads?

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12/27/2016, 08:42 PM
Nice!!! That looks great! I see you dropped the overflow on the short side there. The diy looks awesome, did you just use standard abs bulkheads?

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Thanks it was quite nerve racking drilling the tank but glad it is done now. Yes I used just standard ABS bulkheads but it seemed to hold up fine when I tested it out.
Also I work on the 120 today and added a acrylic corner to the cracked corner and a piece to cover the hole in the overflow. Tomorrow I will give it a water test while I work on my fishroom.

12/30/2016, 09:10 PM
So today I did nothing because yesterday I got a few things done. Yesterday I moved my new 180 around next to the fishroom door along with my 65g that I started out with in the hobby.2 or 3 weeks ago I just sandwiched the crack on the glass so I could have it to hold things while I played musical tanks.
So then I drained and moved everything in the 180g and 40g sump in the fishroom into the 180 and 65g i had sat up just outside. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161231/50433e4cc8bc90e0bad154f215093ebd.jpg
Then I took out everything but the 40gB frag tank.
Then I made a temp stand for the 120 and moved it into place.

Then I moved everything from the 180 and 65g that were outside and into the 120g. Luckily each time I was able to catch each Tang by hand and and move them quick and easy. At the moment the tank just has current pumps in it. I will finish plumbing it tomorrow and then start working on the wall and stand for the 180. At the moment all the fish and coral seem unaffected by the move.

01/01/2017, 09:22 PM
So I messed up when I was getting fittings and didn't get the right valve for the drain. Grabbed a 1 1/2 instead of 1 1/4 on the valve and 2 elbows. Lowes was closing early for New Years and I was rushed. [emoji849] Not to mention my daughter has had chicken pox for the past week. Ohh well for the time being I have current pumps and a heater in the tank and everything seems happy. On my way home tomorrow I will stop by Lowes and get the correct stuff. For now here is a video of everything just after feeding.
This is my first experience with an acrylic tank and so far I really like it. What gets it for me is how clear it is. [emoji848][emoji189]Almost makes me want to sell the 180 and get a custom acrylic.... almost. Lol. I turned the blues all the way down for my crappy phone camera [emoji327]

01/01/2017, 09:45 PM
So after I get the 120 up and running 100%, which I am hoping will be tomorrow, I will start mapping out where on the wall I am going to have the tank. I want the bottom of the viewing window to be no further down than 40" and it has to sit atleast a foot further to the right if you are looking at the tank in the bedroom. The real fun lies in making a stand for the 180 that I can fit an other 180 under. I will be making the stand out of the 2x6's for sure but don't know if I want to double up the top making it more like a 4x6 or if I want to make the top out of 2x8. If I do 2x8 I might be able to get away with not putting a brace in the front of the stand making really easy access to the bottom tank. I have a 7'x2'area to work with inside the fishroom.

01/01/2017, 10:06 PM
Nice updates. Thanks for sharing.

FL must be nice to be able to take it outside and let it sit. Here in DC area is is 46 right now.

01/10/2017, 09:30 PM
So I haven't been able to do much with the tanks. Between the kids and myself getting sick nothing's been getting done. But finally was able to get enough time to go and get some new frags from a semi local reefer.
Here they are with blues off


01/10/2017, 09:33 PM
Here's a FTS of the first 4'. The rest is covered by my by 40gBhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170111/afde69ca07314c4ac7b6487001ba3cf2.jpg
And here are a couple other corals

01/11/2017, 04:33 PM
Decided to go ahead and drill the old 180g today and get it out of the way.

01/11/2017, 07:44 PM
Looking good Jonez! Did the drilling give you any trouble? The hole on the left looks clean, im assuming the right side one hasn't been wiped down yet?

Did you decide to drill returns or will you go over the top?

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01/12/2017, 07:14 AM
Nice updates. Thanks for sharing.

FL must be nice to be able to take it outside and let it sit. Here in DC area is is 46 right now.

Sorry just noticed your comment and thanks for checking things out and leaving a comment.
One of the few perks to living in FL is while most places are snowing and iced over, we still get to run around in shorts LOL. The past week though its been getting below 40 on some nights which is quite cold by our standards. But the day I did the transfer that happened to be the last day in the 80's before we got our cold front. I actually had to run and cover all the tanks outside because it had rained at one point which was the front moving in. I think when I started working on the tanks it was 78 degrees out and was in the upper 50's when I got everything transferred back.

But it should be close to 80 again this weekend.

01/12/2017, 07:36 AM
Must be nice. It is supposed to be 30 here this weekend.


But I bet we get to 'build a snowman'

01/12/2017, 09:40 AM
Looking good Jonez! Did the drilling give you any trouble? The hole on the left looks clean, im assuming the right side one hasn't been wiped down yet?

Did you decide to drill returns or will you go over the top?

Drilling went super smooth. I think drilling this 180 was easier than the first just because I wasn't as worried about something happening to this tank. I drilled it with the same pattern as the other 180 so if I decide to change things in the future the over flow box I made can work with either tank.
As for the picture after drilling, I didn't clean off the other side before I took a picture because it was getting dark and I was trying to get things picked up and inside in a hurry. It was a last minute decision to work on it.

As for the returns on the new 180 I think I am going to drill them after all. Just need to figure out if I want to do 1" or 3/4". I do know that I want the returns to have eductors or flow accelerators on them as well for extra flow. I am leaning towards 1 inch for the returns because I want to change my return pump to a Fluval SP4 or SP6 or possibly even a Reef Octopus VarioS-6 or Deepwater Aquatics BLDC8 but still undecided as well. Not sure if I will really need that much control over my return, just know I want a lot of flow. Another thing will be figuring out is if I want to go the checks valve route on the return or another way.

01/13/2017, 08:28 PM
3/4" LOC-line is much easier to find fittings for. I went with a 1" return all the way up to a T, then reduced to 3/4"

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01/15/2017, 06:52 PM
So I was able to get a little bit done today. I was able to get all the wood for the stand cut except for the legs. I am making the legs one by one since the floor is uneven due to it being the old garage. So after I had everything cut I did a quick test fit to make sure I didn't mess up with my math. I don't math well some times LOL. And I did mess up on two cuts but luckily it was cut too long and not short. Here is my high tech designing software
The test fit for the frame...which was 3" too long. Luckily an easy fix with the chop saw
Here is a test fit on the stand top
And here is the wall after removing the old 180 and before cutting it for the new one.
I took my trusty saws all and cut out the wall for the new tank frame.
Here's the frame in place. Also if you look to the left bottom you can see where the old tank was versus where the new one will sit.
And here is a picture with a 2x6 in place so you can get an idea of where the tank will be
I will have the bottom of the tank sitting at about 4 feet. I went with this height so that accessing the bottom tank will be easier. Also I won't have to hunch over to look into the tank. There will also be a 11" ledge in the tank room side so I can stand on it when I need to reach in the tank I won't have to rely on the ladder. This week I plan on putting the stand top together and painting it with a few coats of paint.
Also since the frame is in place I can go ahead and work on the bedroom wall as well. Also I need to finish running electrical and putting up sheet rock in the fishroom and painting the walls. Then I can think about getting the stand in place. Hoping this doesn't take too long to get done but with work, family, and helping my parents on the farm time is scarce.

01/18/2017, 07:48 PM
So today I finally got around to breaking down the 40gB frag tank. I kind of hate seeing it go but at the same time it's exciting because I know I need it out of the way to get the new system in. Plus it's nice to see the other side of the 120. With that said I had to move everything from the 40 into the 120 and now there is little to no space on the floor of the tank. The only thing that I am biting my nails on is how my Malu Seabae Anemone of 4 years does with the move. The last couple times I moved it the Seabae expelled all its zooxanthellae. Guess we will see :hmm5:

01/20/2017, 10:19 PM
So far all is well with everything I moved over from the 40. Since I ran both tanks the same I didn't acclimate anything and for the first time the Seabae didn't expell any zooxanthellae when I moved it to a new tank. Also the clown was happy to be reunited with its anemone for the first time in a year or so.

01/21/2017, 10:59 AM
That looks pretty awesome! I like the barebottom look, that tank is nice and long plenty of swimming space

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01/22/2017, 09:03 AM
Thanks it's my first acrylic tank. It is a 6' long by 2' wide by 16" tall roughly 120g. It's actually just being used to house all my coral and fish until I get the new system completed and up and going. Once I get the 2 180g up and running then I will buff the 120 out and the section it off to make a clown fish breeding tank with 3 sections.

01/22/2017, 07:46 PM
So I got a few things accomplished this weekend. I put the stand top together and test fitted it in the wall frame. Once I saw the stand top was good to go and got it level I measured for the legs. Then I took it back down so I can paint it the entire stand top before I install it for good. The top it made of all 2x6s and the held together with TiteBond 3, 3" screws and truss ties. I will be making the legs out of 4x4s and 2x4s but still need to buy the wood for that.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/6b755e12f57bd5dc42ba8d4162cc21af.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/8abeccb7dbf8728ebf7d146511a61b18.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/244429e47e07ae510fc843217155b696.jpg

Also I was able to get the electrical boxes re wired and moved and I was also able to put up drywall too.

01/22/2017, 08:39 PM
Lots of good work getting done there. The videos were great. I set up a 180 today. Upgrading from a 105. What fish are you going to have in the 180 DT?

01/23/2017, 11:45 AM
Congrats on you new 180...you have a build thread for it?
I currently have a Yellow Tang, Scopas Tang, 1 Ocellaris Clownfish, and 3 Blue Chromis for fish. I also have a Seabae Bae Anemone and a bunch of different coral. I know I want another Clown for sure. Not too sure if I want much more though. I might get a Blue Tang since my wife and kids want one but I am still up in the air. Not sure what other fish I might want. I am more focused on coral with the DT. I do know that I will have a 3 or 4 pairs of clowns in another set up for breeding so I will have plenty of fish to tend to which kind of makes me want to keep the DT lightly stocked.

01/23/2017, 03:01 PM
very nice build...:thumbsup:
is there a big difference in clarity between glass tanks and acrylic tanks ? i am very curious to hear your opinion, being you have both..

01/23/2017, 08:11 PM
Yes there is a huge difference. My next tank will either be acrylic or low iron because going from having everything in a regular glass tank to acrylic was like going from a Tube TV with an antenna to HDTV with blue ray LOL. Only thing I don't like about acrylic is the fear of scratching it. Makes me wish my new tanks were atleast low iron but I'm sure I can live without it for a few years

01/26/2017, 08:46 PM
So yesterday my skimmer pump died. It was a quick and quiet death that happened some time through the day. I'm not sure how old the pump was since I got the skimmer used. Luckily I had a return pump sitting around, so I had to improvise and take the Sedra 15000 off of the return and replace it with a smaller return.

The Sedra is rated at 1500gph and was originally bought to power a 5g bucket skimmer I had made for my old system. When I shut down that skimmer I used it as a return pump on the 120.

I took and added the venturi back on the Sedra so I could use it on the skimmer and raised the skimmer body up to the point the bubble plate was almost above the water line. Then opened the drain all the way and made a loop on the inlet with 90s to drop the gph's down. So far it seems to be working surprisingly well but I will just have to keep and eye on it.

So now I guess I will be getting a new return pump a little sooner than expected. I planned on getting a new one anyway with the new system so I could have more flow than I have had in the past. I atleast know I want a DC pump but im not sure which one yethttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170127/32cc047c4377683b0735ff71ada708ac.jpg

01/26/2017, 08:48 PM
What ones are you interested in?

02/01/2017, 07:11 AM
Top choice would be a Ecotech Vectra M1 because of its controllablity and great customer reviews but Im not sure I can justify spending that much on a return pump at the moment. Between the other million thing I need to complete this build (such as the 200 to 400lbs of sand) plus house remodeling, money is tighter than I had really hoped.

Another pump that caught my eye was a Reef Octopus VarioS-6 but its flow rate is lower than I would like, also Deepwater Aquatics BLDC15 which is nice but if I am going to spend the money on it then I should just spend the little extra and get the Vectra. More than likely I might lean towards something like a Jebao DCP-10000 which may not be the most highly reviewed band but at the price I could buy about 3 of them for the price of one Vectra. :worried2:

So mostly it boils down to reliability and over all cost. If the Jebao's are so bad I will have to replace it 3 times in a year or so then I should just hold off and get the Vectra. If the Jebao can hold up for at least a year and preform close to its specs then I might just get it for now and upgrade later on. :confused:

Another thing I need to figure out is if I am going to do a closed loop on this system or not. I know if I do a closed loop I will want a Vectra on it for sure. But with Gyre's these days are closed loops more effective or just a higher risk way (drilling glass)of getting what I would from a Gyre?:debi:

02/01/2017, 02:46 PM
What about the L1 vs the M1 ??

A L1 would be better on a closed loop from what I read. (I might have read too quick too)

02/02/2017, 06:19 PM
If I had the extra money I would really like an L1 on a closed loop but I don't know if I am going to do a closed loop on this tank after all. If the tank was much larger I would definitely go with that. Which could be sooner than later LOL.

For the time being I am just going to go with a Jabeo return and some kind of current pumps....possibly a cheap cross flow or something for now.
I still have a lot of things to get so I can get this system up and going and some of these house renovations aren't exactly cheap. So I will get what's needed to get it up and cycling and once we take a break on the house I can start up grading to better equipment.

For now here's a couple of crappy cell phone videos of a couple of corals in the 120g holding tank after feeding the fish.
Brain Coral (about the size of half a football)https://vimeo.com/202307569

02/05/2017, 09:39 PM
So a quick update. Skimmer is working great with the new pump even though the pump is rated at almost twice the gph than the old pump...went from 880gph to 1500gph.
Here is only a couple days of skimming after I cleaned it
I was able to get the legs on the stand and some added supports. I also mudded, taped, and sanded the wall. I also was able to start painting the wall and stand. Hoping to finish painting everything this week. Then I want to add a water proof barrier around the bottom of the fishroom. Just as and extra precaution for the unthinkable lol.
Here what is look like at the moment
Fishroom side
Bedroom side

02/06/2017, 11:01 AM
So I have finally made up my mind and have decided to go with a closed loop on this tank after all. I want to use this to have good flow towards the bottom of the tank without having powerheads sitting low. Now to decide on what pump. I can use either an external or a submersible so I have quite the options on this. I can run a submersible pump because the rock structure that I made is hollow and would hide the pump and bulk head behind it.
I also need to figure out if I would also like to run penductor/eductors on the closed loop because if I go that route I will need to have a pressure rated pump which would be external more than likely. Or I could go with a DC controllable pump which I could hook up to a controller in the future and randomize the flow...unless I went with the Ecotech Vectra pump which has a random reef closed loop setting on it. Decisions decisions.

Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

02/12/2017, 06:30 PM
Just as soon as I think I have everything figured out I change my mind lol. I have decided not to do a closed loop today after drilling the returns. Everything went well with drilling the returns I am just going to go with 2 gyres instead so I don't have to drill holes for the closed loop. So since the returns are drilled and I'm not going with the CL I went ahead and got the 2 180s and in place

02/12/2017, 06:33 PM
Now that is know it all fits I will take the lower tank back out and paint the floor and then I will start the plumbing which will be quite easy since the drains will be straight down and the return will be straight up. I will just be waiting on ordering sand and the new pumps. Still researching to make sure I get what I want the first time as far as sand and pumps.

02/13/2017, 03:45 PM
So, any new updates? Did you get the plumbing done?

02/13/2017, 05:04 PM
Not yet. Just got the tanks in place yesterday

02/14/2017, 07:46 PM
Ok so I decided to give everything a quick test with some freshwater. I just through together some pipes I had sitting around and just pushed everything together. The diy overflow box isn't leaking anywhere. The true test though will be when I get it all plumbed together with the actually return pump hooked up to see if the overflow can handle high flow. For now I have a pump I had sitting around hooked up just to test the gaskets out a little more on the overflow over a little bit of time and also to see how much the stand settles over the next couple of days. Next I need to order the pumps, pipe and fittings, and sand to get the tank up and cycling. Here's the overflow at work
And this is how much space it takes up in the tank

03/02/2017, 08:13 PM
Recently started getting a few things in to hopefully get things started soon
240lbs of sand
I haven't been a big fan of sand since the tank crash of 2015. Of course that was from being new and misinformed without researching on my own. But I have learned a few things over time and plus my family has been requesting it. So I will do a shallow sand bed in both tanks.
Also got my return pump in. Went with the Jebeo DCP 10000.
I tested it out on the temp tank and it seems nice. I didn't run it past 75% since the drains were blocked by things and didn't feel like moving it at the time. I can't wait to really try it out once I get the tanks going.
This weekend I hope to get a few things done like plumbing the drains and return and work on the wall on the bedroom side and get the front of the tank framed in. Hoping to start filling the tank starting Tuesday. Will take about 3 days or so to fill it will 100gpd RODI. All depends on what I can get done with life happening too LOL

03/21/2017, 11:51 PM
Wow it's been a while since I last updated anything. I will get some pictures of some of the things I did when time avails.
So far I have almost finished the bedroom side wall. I framed in tank and planked half the wall. Hope to finish that this weekend. Also I was able to move sump on the 120 holding tank and re plumb it. Then I moved the 40gB sump into place for the new system. Of course that wasn't easy at all. I had to jack up the stand on the 120 and remove the center brace, remove the sump for the 120 and replace with the sump for the new system. But before that could go where it needed I had to cut a part of the stand out of the 120. After I got it in place I put the center brace in and moved the other sump in its new place. That turned into quite the chore real quick but with that finished I was able to get the return pump in place and plumbed, added water, salt, sand.... bought more sand and added that and some new rock I picked up and some rocks out of the holding tank. It has now been cycling just over a week.

In the mean time I will start working on the lights for the bottom 180 soon. Also I would like to get the skimmer in place and running.

For now atleast there is proof of life in the top(there is still a silt layer on the glass since I haven't got around to cleaning the glass 100% since the dust settled)
Here is a rock I bought for the top tank
This is what some of the wood planks look like stained

I will get tank shots up soon

03/24/2017, 07:22 PM
Well I've been feeding the new system for almost 2 weeks at 3 times a day when I feed my fish in the holding tank.
I'm finding more and more micro life in the tank
These guys are all over the glass
And these guys are all over my rocks

03/25/2017, 02:56 AM
looks like tunicates and a snail both are good signs. the bristleworms are like unstoppable though, they can sting corals and kill clams.

03/25/2017, 08:56 PM
Yea hopefully the bristle worm doesn't poss any future problems but I haven't had an issue with them yet. I went ahead and tossed in two snails and a hermit crab to clean up some of the food Im feeding the tank. They've been in there 2 days so far. Also all the sponges are still doing good
These are the ones in the cave
These are on the back of my big rock
Here is what the fishroom looks like at the moment

03/29/2017, 06:55 PM
Here is a FTS. I don't have the lights over the tank yet since they are over the holding tank.
The middle rock has tri color valida acro encrusted on it that I hoped was going to die durning the cycle but so far it's still alive. It has been growing like a weed in my tank and already has a rock covered in it and I didn't really want it to take over that rock. In fact when I put it in the tank I broke off all the points and it has grown back... its browner in color due to it getting such little light.

04/12/2017, 10:22 PM
Since the tank is at the end of its cycle I went ahead and a couple of bangai cardinals. The fish store owner and I walked around for a little while trying to determine the gender in an attempt to possibly pair them. Took a minute but we think we found a male and female. So far they are close in the QT.
Also I got a few new inverts for the new system.
Strawberry Conch Snail
Also picked up a Turbo Snail, Sea Urchin and the dreadful SS Starfish. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170413/ef3c56410dda28bfd1025106aed2a4a9.jpg

04/12/2017, 10:31 PM
Also today my new room exhaust fan came in. Hope to install that this weekend.
Here is the old one
And this will be the new one
Also my Ice Cap Gyre came in today. Hope to get that in this weekend and then play around with the settings and see if I like it. If so I will consider getting a second one or even upgrading to a larger maxspect

04/30/2017, 09:57 PM
So I put the Cardinalfish though quarantine and put them into the DT last week. Today I caught all the fish in the holding tank and put them into the DT as well after working these past few weeks at getting matching parameters. Also went ahead and put the skimmer online and put my BM curve 5 skimmer on the holding tank. Now I will observe the DT for a week or two and if all is well I will transfer over the corals and also put the light over the tank.
While I am waiting and watching I am going to work on making a light for the bottom 180. I am trying to figure what macroalgae I want to put down there. Also I am considering buying 100 lbs of live sand from TBS to add to the bottom tank but at the moment life has been quite crazy with a lot of unexpected events and I have a lot more to tend too so I'm sure things might slow down a bit as far as progress. Only time will tell. In the mean time the tank can settle and mature.

04/30/2017, 10:34 PM
Also I have had the IceCap Gyre set up for a little while and really like it. It's been very quiet and easy to program. I don't have it set past 60% and that's almost too much for my sand bed. Can't wait to get the corals in and watch them move in the different currents. I will see how things go and I will either get a second one or upgrade to two Maxspec since they have the option of using on one controller.

05/01/2017, 08:20 AM
Nice update! How do you like the Ice Cap Gyre?

05/01/2017, 08:31 AM
Nice update! How do you like the Ice Cap Gyre?

I really like it so far and would recommend it to anyone wanting to try out a gyre without breaking the bank for a maxspec or wanting to risk trying a cheap Chinese version

05/11/2017, 01:31 PM
So I decided to move my lights above my new tank and transferred most of the coral over. Only thin left in the holding tank is my Malu Seabae and some frags. Plan on doing a large water change this weekend and might move the Seabae over to the main tank and put the frags in the bottom 180 so I can break down the holding tank.

But that all depends because I cracked the heads in my car and will be buying a new engine Saturday and doing a engine swap.

05/11/2017, 01:36 PM

05/11/2017, 01:40 PM

06/07/2017, 05:20 PM
Small Upate
So my new system is doing well. I went ahead and finally transferred what was left in the holding tank which was just some frags and my Seabae nem. So far the nem has been doing well and hasn't bleached any like it did in the past. For the transfer I just got both system to matching temp and parameters and just moved everything over with no acclimation. Right now they are all in the bottom 180 just kinda thrown there. I will take down the 120 holding tank this weekend and see what kind of space I will have in the fishroom and how to best use it.
I know I want a RODI water station of some sort. Also some sort of frag tank or 3. I wish I had the room some where for the 120 but at the moment there isn't a 6' span anywhere I could set it up so I will have to store it for now.

06/07/2017, 05:29 PM
Also my Cardinal fish are a mating pair. The male is currently holding eggs. I am tracking that adventure here

06/11/2017, 05:42 PM
Changed up a few things today. I took down the holding tank which was a bit of a pain. It involved draining the tank, then disassembling half the stand so I could lower it down far enough to stand the tank up and get it out. I didn't think about the removal of this system when I put in the 2 180s but I got it out. I then started looking at the sump for the big system and how close to overflowing it is with the system shut down.
So I decided why not use the 120 as a baffleless sump

Excuse the mess and cords every where. I plan on getting to that soon. Also I am hatching baby brine every so often to feed the DT and to be prepared just encase.
Also the male cardinal is still carrying eggs. Plus the nem is happy after the move

06/18/2017, 05:51 PM
Small update
The tank is doing well. Tested the big 3 and all were in check
Alk- 9dKH
Ca- 440
Still need to buy new testing kits for PO4 and NO3.
I worked more on the fishroom today and installed a stand for a 40g Breeder I will tie into the system and use as a frag tank. It will also house the Seabae which means moving it again but at least it will be moved to a tank tied into everything so it doesn't have to get used to the water. I will also put the same light over it that it has now.
The tank stand is longer than needed to give me more work space. Also I put my 65g tank under it and it will store my fresh water for top off and water changes.

At the moment I am just waiting on the paint to dry

06/18/2017, 06:21 PM

06/25/2017, 08:22 PM
very unique perspective. picture frame is awesome. excellent progress.

06/26/2017, 08:23 PM
Very nice project.
I really like that one huge rock you got for the right side of tank, it will be great for mounting a ton of stuff.
I see you are taking on quite the challenge to tackle both SPS plus other types of corals in the same system.
Maybe that's been my failure since LPS and other corals are excellent filter feeders. However nutrient levels/water clarity for SPS and non SPS from my experience are opposite extremes (but I have limited experience (since I've never dare mixed the two types)
Will be tagging along. You might convince me to throw some SPS into my mixed tank.

07/05/2017, 08:35 PM
So small update
Tank is going through the ugly algae stage of a new tank. I knew with all the sand and new rock it was unavoidable especially with me feeding like I have been. I have a ATS online now and also been running a little bit of GFO in a reactor. But the coral is all happy and growing. My dendro is the happiest it's ever been and has been growing new heads.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170706/9dd35a7720e8a878f9148a4c7bef205c.jpg
Urchin is happy too

Now for the big update. The cardinal fish male spit out his first baby. My wife and I have been looking into the DT a lot everyday hoping to see one since we couldn't catch him. My wife happen to look up near the overflow and says to me "is that a baby fish!" And right as she said it went right down the drain and into the bottom 180. I ran into the fishroom and shut down the system. Luckily my wife has eagle eyes and found it and caught it in a cup. Now it's in the breeder box with a fake plant it took too instantly. I added baby brine shrimp and it started eating. So I have 1 baby at the moment and waiting to see if he will spit out the rest. It's all wait and see.

07/05/2017, 09:52 PM
WOW. A baby fish. Fry is what I think they are called.

Amazing. I know someone who did it with freshwater fish, but never Marine.

And it's eating too!!!

That is truly amazing. This fish and possibly more to come will be special.

You and your wife are "Fish Parents". There must be a technical name.

Big Congrats!!!

07/06/2017, 09:33 AM
WOW. A baby fish. Fry is what I think they are called.

Amazing. I know someone who did it with freshwater fish, but never Marine.

And it's eating too!!!

That is truly amazing. This fish and possibly more to come will be special.

You and your wife are "Fish Parents". There must be a technical name.

Big Congrats!!!

LOL Thanks
Sorry I meant to say fry, I was just caught up in the moment. So far we still only have one but hope maybe to find another. But if not its all good because I didn't expect to get any from this batch. Can't wait to get home from work to see if the male is still holding any or not and look around and see if we can find anything.

07/06/2017, 10:06 AM
You might find this interesting, if you didn't know.

The Banggai Cardinal Fish (was/is) on the "Threatened" Species List.


So you really have something special.

Take care of Jr.

And if more fry's come out, you can repopulated the Oceans. :)

07/07/2017, 01:04 PM
Thought I would share this anyone that might think its interesting. It's a short video of the male Cardinalfish spitting out a fry and sucking it back in

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07/08/2017, 12:12 AM
Thought I would share this anyone that might think its interesting. It's a short video of the male Cardinalfish spitting out a fry and sucking it back in

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This is incredible :) Congrats! Such a cool thing to happen in your tank, and you were able to share with your wife which is even better!

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07/08/2017, 01:51 PM
Lots of people have Banggai cardinals breeding in their tanks. The "endangered" status is due to over-fishing in their original, somewhat limited, habitat but they actually breed quite readily and have already been successfully introduced to other parts of the reef by crafty local aquarium fishers.

There was a reef research project a couple of years ago on Banggai cardinal fish that several people here on RC helped to fund. There was even a book that came out of it. I believe it is this one. (http://www.banggai-rescue.com/the-book/)


07/09/2017, 07:36 PM
Well today was a fun little road trip. I found a deal I couldn't pass up on MRC CR-2 Calcium Reactor. I will still have to get a CO2 tank, regulator and either a pH controller or APEX. But atleast I have the reactor itself. It's a older model but looks the same with the only difference is that the new models have a spray bar which I might DIY...maybe.
Also while I was down in Tampa I stopped by Coral Corral and picked up a couple of frags. Nothing special
Motipora Spongodes
Unknown Acro
Unknown Acro... maybe a stag

07/09/2017, 07:37 PM
Sorry... double post

07/15/2017, 05:37 PM
So far the baby Cardinalfish is doing good and eating well.
I am still battling a little bit of green and red slim algae that is a bit of an eye sore but I have been feeding heavy to help fatten up the male Cardinal. Also the frag tank is doing well but has a little bit of algae too. But as long as everything is happy I am not going to make any drastic changes.
On another note I am thinking about adding violet LEDs to my light fixture. So since I am going to battle the red slim algae with a short lights out it could be a good time to add this. I am also considering changing my entire fixtures set up. It has worked very well but there are a few things I would like to try different. I want to position a few LEDs at different angles to help with shadowing, lessen the amount of Red and Cyan LEDs, change from Neutral White with Cool White and of course add the Violet. Also I want to string the LEDs in a way I can play around with timers and dimmers for my viewing pleasure. So for now I will focus on the DTs LED fixture and then the bottom 180s fixture will be next so I can start buying macro algae. So the Calcium Reactor is going to be put on the back burner until I can collect everything I need to run it.

07/15/2017, 05:39 PM

07/15/2017, 07:51 PM
So far the baby Cardinalfish is doing good and eating well.

Excellent. He does look bigger, but that could be the photo.
Did any more pop out? Or just the one?

I am still battling a little bit of green and red slim algae that is a bit of an eye sore but I have been feeding heavy to help fatten up the male Cardinal. Also the frag tank is doing well but has a little bit of algae too. But as long as everything is happy I am not going to make any drastic changes.
Feeding more usually comes with some Algae Spike.

On another note I am thinking about adding violet LEDs to my light fixture. So since I am going to battle the red slim algae with a short lights out it could be a good time to add this. I am also considering changing my entire fixtures set up. It has worked very well but there are a few things I would like to try different. I want to position a few LEDs at different angles to help with shadowing, lessen the amount of Red and Cyan LEDs, change from Neutral White with Cool White and of course add the Violet. Also I want to string the LEDs in a way I can play around with timers and dimmers for my viewing pleasure. So for now I will focus on the DTs LED fixture and then the bottom 180s fixture will be next so I can start buying macro algae.
Definitely reduce, or get rid of any PURE RED Lighting. That will fuel Algae and Cyano, Slime like fire.

I know 100% for sure. Since I was running a RGB led Strip for a few months (100% each RedGreenBlue to make white. Plus some over feeding didn't help.

First came the Cyno Wild Fire.

The came the Green Hair Algae.

All due to running the RED LEDS. Blue probably helped a bit. My Algae Scrubber is 90% RED and 10% Blue LEDS, for a reason.

Coral photo's look like you are getting some nice PE.

07/16/2017, 01:35 PM
Thanks WallyB
That just further supports my decision to reduce the amount of reds and greens. I think the cyan/ green dulled the over all color of the tank and I hope that switching to cool white will take away the full look too. Sorry about the crappy iPhone pictures but the PE has been really good and even color has been improving. I know the algae scrubber is starting to produce algae so that should help with the slim algae problem.

07/22/2017, 02:39 PM
Did a small water change today and cleaned up the skimmer and ATS. Still fighting red and green algae but slowly starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Since the pumps were off I took a few pictures.
This one is finally starting to color up good.
Here are some other random pictures

07/24/2017, 11:34 PM
All looks good. That first Frag is encrusting Plug Nicely.

You should try getting pictures without the Blue Lighting. To show true colors.
Can you turn on just White Led's?
If your camera is sensitive enough, I find you can take a photo with just a simple white light above tank. Room light.

Of course if you have a camera that does White Balance Adjustment that would be better. You can acutally shoot under blue light a see colors.
And best is if you can shoot RAW vs processed.