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Bobbitworm13
01/02/2017, 06:33 PM
Hi Reef Central!
I am making this thread about my 40B (rescue) mantis reef tank. It has been up since early November and I finally decided to make a thread for it. I am almost sure the mantis to be a Gonodactylus virdis. He is green with a whitish meral spot and white spots over the body. The tank will be a softy and lps reef.

--Params--

pH 8
Ammonia 0.0
Nitrite 0.0
Nitrate 5-10
Sg 1.025-1.026

--Equipment--
Aquaclear 70
Finnex controllable heater
Aquatic life 115 ( undersized I know )
Galaxyhydro controllable led
Jabao rw4
40 pounds of live sand
40 pounds of live rock plus some rubble

Fish
Yellow tail damsel

Inverts
Hermits
A nassarius snail
4 turbo snails( I have bad gha)
Gonodactylus virdis

Coral
Zoas
A 2 head Duncan

Thanks for checking out my thread, I need some advice on care of torches and frogspawn coral. Thanks in advance.

nmotz
01/03/2017, 01:00 PM
Sounds like a neat set-up. Post some pictures when you get the chance. A G. Viridis shouldn't be too difficult to take care of and should last you a few years if you're lucky.

Bobbitworm13
01/03/2017, 01:49 PM
Thanks. I will try to get some pictures later. I'll have to get out the camera and do it because my iPhone pics are terrible. I also need help identifying some algae. It is green and grows in curls. I'll get some pics when I get pics of the mantis but do you have any ideas what it could be? Thanks

nmotz
01/04/2017, 02:41 PM
Always tough to identify algae without photos, but sounds like hair algae. Treatment for most types of algae is fairly straightforward: maximize nutrient export. Skim. Grow macroalgae. Run carbon (GAC). Then again, algae is a usual character in almost every tank. You already have turbo snails and those help quite a bit in my experience. You might try to manually remove the worst parts.

After dealing with every form of algae, the worst by far is bubble algae IMO. It can be present and thrive regardless of nutrient levels and requires manual removal in many cases. That takes forever. The only other option is emerald crabs, but they are only pseudo-reliable. And in a Peacock tank they are a huge liability because they often can't stay alive long enough to get the job done. That's the problem in my tank anyway!

Bobbitworm13
01/04/2017, 04:46 PM
Yeah my turbo snails are destroying the algae. Have you ever used phosguard from seachem? It is the only filter media other than the tetra filter cartridges at my closest lfs. I have to go an hour and half to 2 hours to get to a good lfs.

I saw some bryopsis on a piece of lr on the sand bed and got scared-it is gone now

nmotz
01/05/2017, 01:22 PM
I've never used phosguard, but I have used the Bulk Reef Supply brand of GFO (granular ferric oxide) to control phosphate/algae. I've heard good things about phosguard though. I usually just run carbon now.

Bobbitworm13
01/05/2017, 02:14 PM
Ok thanks, I'll probably get some phosguard tomorrow, and I may get to got to one of the good lfs Saturday but that depends on my parents schedule, I'm to young to drive

Bobbitworm13
01/12/2017, 06:35 PM
Quick update, the mantis and other stock is doing good, algae doesn't grow back after I pull it. I have some pics that I'll update when I get a chance. The mantis is quite entertaining and takes mysis well. Now for a question. I have the yellow tail damsel and want a second fish, preferably a dwarf angel. I really like flame, bicolor, and potters angelfish. My question is will these be able to deal with the yellow tail damsel or should I a.) get rid of the damsel for the angel or b.) get a acclimation box and put damsel in it for a few days and let the Angel get used to its surroundings and then let the damsel back in the main tank

dawson1
01/13/2017, 04:47 AM
U have a mantis ?


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dawson1
01/13/2017, 04:48 AM
Any pictures buddy? I'm after 1


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Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 05:34 AM
Yeah I've got a mantis, I just have to upload pictures from my came to here. I should be able to later. What kind of mantis do you want and what tank do you have?

dawson1
01/13/2017, 05:50 AM
I have a aqua nano 60, 100litres tank,

I only want the tank for the mantis really, it will be based around him or her,

I want a peacock mantis but I'm very doubtful I can get 1 in the uk. 1 of the leading fish stores here have just said on phone they can order me 1, but I'm sceptical, but to be fair I'd have any I like them all, this was my last 1 https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170113/3b780c8cd558fa8c84fc772a19dbef33.png

It was perfect in a tank full off other stuff never harmed a thing protected his rock from hermits but he used to punch them then hide lol.

My tank ready for 1 https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170113/54e8fd3f162057db3d1c0670e16822ff.jpg


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dawson1
01/13/2017, 05:51 AM
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Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 06:16 AM
That's a nice looking mantis and a good looking setup, a lot cleaner than mine. I currently have every algae out there except bubble algae. I would suggest kpaquatics but you are in the uk so that won't work. Once you get a mantis you should make a build thread.

dawson1
01/13/2017, 07:37 AM
I will do mate I really want a peacock. If u can up load some pics be great, how do people like them there the most fascinating invert Iv seen rather watch them then fish all day long


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dawson1
01/13/2017, 07:38 AM
Mine used to hit my finger sometime when I was cleaning and it used to make me jump, u could hear him all night, punching rock or my fingers when cleaning [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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dawson1
01/13/2017, 07:43 AM
Found mantis shrimp in my new coral :)

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dawson1
01/13/2017, 07:44 AM
Video of my old 1 running around tank


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Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 08:04 AM
Very nice, what fish did you have with it? I am thinking of getting a dwarf angel but don't want the mantis or angel to get hurt by the other or the damsel to hurt the angel

dawson1
01/13/2017, 08:47 AM
I had 2 clowns, damsel, shrimps, gobys, wrass, all sorts. Corals, mine was perfect with them all, even hermis


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dawson1
01/13/2017, 08:48 AM
That being said other people said they killed everything in tank lol


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Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 10:44 AM
my mantis seems pretty calm, the damsel seems to mind his own business and stay away from the mantis. what kind of coral did you have in your tank with the mantis? i like zoas and euphyllias (torches, frogspawn, hammers) but am worried about car for the euphyllias. i would like some info on difficulty and personal experience. thanks

nmotz
01/13/2017, 11:46 AM
You may have to ask about coral care in a different forum. It's not that people can't help you here but there are a lot of people who are more knowledgeable about coral specifically in different forums. I'd try the softie or LPS forum for a question about the coral.

But in general, mantis shrimp and coral aren't really a problem together. My Peacock will move things around if it's not secured properly, but I don't mind. She never strikes the coral and I haven't heard of too many issues with mantis shrimp striking soft or hard corals of any type. The only mantis I can think of that might deliberately attack coral is the G. Ternatensis because they often make their burrow in the heads of live branching corals.

Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 12:29 PM
Alright thanks, I'll try the LPS subforum. Do you have any experience with dwarf angels with your mantis?

Bobbitworm13
01/13/2017, 02:45 PM
Alright, time for some pics.
http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/crazyfletch0804/media/P1030045_zpsbbowp79y.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/crazyfletch0804/media/P1030042_zpsas6rem6z.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/crazyfletch0804/media/P1030039_zpsbuegq413.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/crazyfletch0804/media/P1030020_zpsnmuo6fbq.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/crazyfletch0804/media/P1030019_zpshsznrpji.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7

can you id the algae in pic 2 and 3? i think it is C. prolifera but I am not sure. thanks

Bobbitworm13
01/15/2017, 08:42 PM
The mantis is doing great and I just got back from my lfs with an acan that looks like this https://www.google.com/search?q=red+and+grey+acan&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS691US691&hl=en-US&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIwLSO38XRAhVLNiYKHTqTDZQQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=492#imgrc=OszMZkLratXflM%3A

But mine has 6-7 polyps.

nmotz
01/15/2017, 10:19 PM
Alright thanks, I'll try the LPS subforum. Do you have any experience with dwarf angels with your mantis?

I don't have any experience with fish at all, haha. I've read a lot about it, but have never introduced any fish to my mantis shrimp tanks. Mostly because I don't want to have to worry about buying fish food. I always tell people that the more fish you have, the more risk you run in general, and not just that the mantis will kill them. I've read that sometimes mantis shrimp are spooked by lots of fish, especially if those fish aren't just small damsels or something. You can certainly give it a try though.

nmotz
01/15/2017, 10:23 PM
The mantis is doing great and I just got back from my lfs with an acan that looks like this https://www.google.com/search?q=red+and+grey+acan&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS691US691&hl=en-US&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIwLSO38XRAhVLNiYKHTqTDZQQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=492#imgrc=OszMZkLratXflM%3A

But mine has 6-7 polyps.

Really nice coral, never had acans myself

Bobbitworm13
01/16/2017, 07:17 AM
If I do decide to get a dwarf angel I'll probably take the damsel back because I only want 1 fish

Bobbitworm13
01/28/2017, 04:57 PM
So my damsel has ich, just setup a qt and will be doing hypo salinity, so I'll probably have another mantis in a couple of months

TokiHacker
01/30/2017, 09:23 AM
So.. After reading this thread I don't understand why you probably will have another mantis in a couple of months?

Bobbitworm13
01/30/2017, 02:27 PM
So.. After reading this thread I don't understand why you probably will have another mantis in a couple of months?

The ten that I moved the damsel to for hypo may become another rescue mantis tank or may just become a sump for the 40. The damsel died last night and whatever it had wasn't ich. It lost all its scales and was bleeding from the gills

Bobbitworm13
02/05/2017, 01:42 PM
I think the mantis is molting, he has one entrance to it's den completely blocked and the other entrance partially blocked. How long does it normally take for a 3 inch mantis to molt?

Bobbitworm13
02/05/2017, 03:37 PM
Nvm on the molt unless they molt in 2 days, he is currently beating a hermit crab to death

nmotz
02/06/2017, 10:26 AM
There's a good stickie on this forum describing in great detail how the molt process works/how long it takes. My Peacock just molted too, took her about a week to regain her ability to strike. Now she's hitting everything...rocks, snails, PVC burrow, the glass (rarely, but yikes!)....

Bobbitworm13
02/12/2017, 08:13 AM
The mantis just got done with a molt for real. It disappeared Monday and he reappeared today when I fed the coral just now.

Bobbitworm13
02/18/2017, 05:38 PM
Just got back from the lfs with a toadstool leather coral and an emerald crab to deal with the bubble algae

TokiHacker
02/23/2017, 11:47 AM
Just got back from the lfs with a toadstool leather coral and an emerald crab to deal with the bubble algae

as for the care with the LPS (large polyp stonies such as frogspawn and etc) you need to test for alk, cal, mg in addition to your regular tests.

if you need any assistance reading it I will be more than happy to help if you post the results and what you need to do to raise or lower accordingly.

Bobbitworm13
02/23/2017, 09:12 PM
I have alk and cal tests but not mg. I'm using aquaforest reef salt so the numbers are good as long as I don't have high demand for them. I ended up going with an acan lord( Micromussa lordhowensis) as I didn't want to spend $60-100 on my first lps coral. I also have a Duncan coral. My mantis has become much shyer after the molt, he only comes out for food. Is this personality swing common with molts?

TokiHacker
02/24/2017, 09:53 AM
I have alk and cal tests but not mg. I'm using aquaforest reef salt so the numbers are good as long as I don't have high demand for them. I ended up going with an acan lord( Micromussa lordhowensis) as I didn't want to spend $60-100 on my first lps coral. I also have a Duncan coral. My mantis has become much shyer after the molt, he only comes out for food. Is this personality swing common with molts?

Yeah. Until his shelling become perfectly hard again after the molt and his smashers are good, he will be a little like that. Defense mechanism.

Bobbitworm13
03/30/2017, 03:50 PM
The fallow period is over tomorrow but idk if I'll get another fish. I am building an intank refugium to help with nutrients as my nitrates won't get below ten and I like macros so I may end up putting some macros in the display. Would it be to stressful for the mantis if I rescaped the tank in to a two island style scape? My current scape doesn't allow much flow.
I have some pics I'll post later

Bobbitworm13
04/23/2017, 03:31 PM
I just left the lfs with a Pygmy cherub angel and a branching hammer.

Bobbitworm13
05/04/2017, 03:31 PM
i just took like 50 pics of the new fish and coral. the mantis is mid molt rn so no pics except from the crab massacre of May 1, 2017. got some new test kits and additives and have started doing more wc like 10% weekly.

test results
Nitrate 10
ca didnt test, forgot
kh ~8
mg 1350
phos i need test kit for.

photos

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34413546096/in/album-72157683321447806/
Quick! hide the body


https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/33612801714/in/album-72157683321447806/
new frogspawn the day after i got it

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34324512501/in/album-72157683321447806/
new fish, pygmy angelfish (Centropyge argi)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34070253850/in/album-72157683321447806/
top down of the acan and duncan

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34070257520/in/album-72157683321447806/
frogspawn already looks like it is growing a new head

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/33612794184/in/album-72157683321447806/
top down of all the corals

Bobbitworm13
05/05/2017, 01:41 PM
http://https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34413546096/in/album-72157683321447806/

Bobbitworm13
05/05/2017, 01:42 PM
http://https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/33612794184/in/album-72157683321447806/

Bobbitworm13
05/13/2017, 09:06 AM
The mantis is molting and I think it is going poorly, he is in a darkened swim through and he is laying on his back, flapping his swimmer things. Is there anything I can do to help?

Bobbitworm13
05/17/2017, 02:45 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/34413546096/in/album-72157683321447806/

Bobbitworm13
06/04/2017, 04:56 PM
The mantis is acting normal again, and my Pygmy angel is becoming much less shy. I just left the lfs with some rasta zoas for much less than expected and some dragons breath macro algae. Also, if there is anyone near Bowling green KY then go check out the micro mantis in the frag tank. I would've grabbed it but I don't have a tank open

Hadla
06/04/2017, 05:56 PM
How big?

Bobbitworm13
06/04/2017, 06:33 PM
What is how big? My mantis is 55 mm, the Pygmy angel is 2-2.5 inches

Bobbitworm13
06/04/2017, 06:34 PM
The micro mantis is like 25 mm

Hadla
06/04/2017, 07:32 PM
Wow like mine :) wonder what the species is

Bobbitworm13
06/04/2017, 08:26 PM
Idk, I think maybe graphurus or caldwelli but definitely from Australia

Bobbitworm13
07/22/2017, 08:33 AM
Ok, big update. After getting home from my 18 day marine biology camp, both of my lps corals are dead. After seeing that and thinking about where I wanted this tank to go, I am making a smaller aio for the current mantis and making this tank into a Caribbean biotope. The mantis will probably be N. oerstedii and I might get a foureye or long nose butterfly fish for my second and final fish. The current mantis and fish are doing great as are my softies. I have the nitrates under control (40 ppm nitrates when I got home) and the tank is doing well right now

Bobbitworm13
07/22/2017, 08:37 AM
http://https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwb_Zdw4w_joVWZwaXJhTlhEaVk

Bobbitworm13
07/22/2017, 08:37 AM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwb_Zdw4w_joVWZwaXJhTlhEaVk

Bobbitworm13
07/25/2017, 02:48 PM
The G. viridis just died. I woke up and he was normal, he ate last night. When I got home 15 minutes ago he was dead.

Jlentz
07/25/2017, 03:19 PM
The G. viridis just died. I woke up and he was normal, he ate last night. When I got home 15 minutes ago he was dead.



Sorry to hear.


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Bobbitworm13
08/23/2017, 08:06 PM
I thought I would give you guys a final update on this thread before I let it die, I have decided to change where I am going with this tank. Friday I will be getting a lionfish and hope to end up with three. The corals are all doing well and I may eventually get another mantis but I don't have time for two tanks as well as marching band(no free time). Thanks for giving me great advice guys.:thumbsup: