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angieg1123
01/24/2017, 10:57 AM
I have had seahorses since about 2004-2005. I took a 2 year break and was starting again. I set up a 37g tank for 1 pair. Used Live sand and about 5lbs of LR from the sump of my reef tank. 1/2 of the water came from the reef tank as well. Added macros, zoas, shrooms, and other softies. Ordered a reef Octopus Classic 90 HOB skimmer and bought a Fluval 306 because a sump was not possible on this tank as it has a metal stand next to my desk ( I work from home at my desk 8 hrs a day.)
I needed this to be SILENT...my phone mic picks up everything!

I plan to order 20 lbs of branch rock from BRS...but it out of stock, so I have to wait for that. I converted 3 FW mollies to full saltwater and they have been in the tank for about 3 weeks now. Great algae eaters. They will be moved to the sump of the reef tank once I get the seahorses.

Fast Forward to yesterday...I'm checking out Craigslist..and I see a 60g RR Cube for sale for $150 about 2 hrs away from me. Fired off an email, Sent a deposit via paypal and I pick it up Saturday.

Sooo My little 37g tank will now be the QT tank where I can train the future seahorses to a feeding station.

I have to build a stand for the cube. Will post more pics as I start the build. Now I have to totally reconfigure my office as the cube will not fit in the space the 37g is in. Build stand, build sump, buy return pump, build dursos, double the branch rock order, buy PVC and ball valves, set up auto top off, order more live sand, Double the seahorse order to 4 instead of 2.
Maybe I should rethink this lol.

angieg1123
01/24/2017, 11:07 AM
Quick plans for stand done in paint

rayjay
01/24/2017, 11:08 AM
OR, you can put one pair in the 37g and two pair in the 60g and have six total. :spin1:

angieg1123
01/24/2017, 11:10 AM
OMG...I am trying not to do what I did before... I had 18 tanks. All seahorses except the 125g reef. I had 37 seahorses because I could not part with my favorite fry!

guarda
01/24/2017, 11:15 AM
18 tanks!

vlangel
01/24/2017, 12:25 PM
I like your stand and sump design but I am wondering about the height of the 20 gallon high under the stand...will you have enough room to easily remove the the skimmer cup without hitting the bottom of the DT. Or reaching down into the 20g H could be tricky?

Oops my bad. You are using a 20 H, not a 20 XH.

angieg1123
01/24/2017, 02:12 PM
Yes...the sump is only 16" high, Stand will be 30 inches high. I have a 30" stand that I built under my 65g reef tank. Will be basically the same stand only not as long.

angieg1123
01/24/2017, 06:33 PM
OR, you can put one pair in the 37g and two pair in the 60g and have six total. :spin1:

Ha ha ha...and you know with them breeding about every 21 days...that could potentially give me a batch a fry every week with 3 pairs...and that's if they space it out for me.

Been there, done that. Never again. I had more fry then I knew what to do with. I swear I couldn't give them away!!!

angieg1123
01/24/2017, 07:57 PM
Apparently Someone upstairs thought I didn't need a bigger tank. I hit a deer and now have a $500 deductible to pay to get my car fixed. Guess I'll be sticking with 1 pair in the 37g ;(

vlangel
01/24/2017, 08:27 PM
Apparently Someone upstairs thought I didn't need a bigger tank. I hit a deer and now have a $500 deductible to pay to get my car fixed. Guess I'll be sticking with 1 pair in the 37g ;(
O no, that stinks!

rayjay
01/24/2017, 09:59 PM
:headwalls:

angieg1123
01/27/2017, 12:15 AM
I decided to put the deductible on the credit card so I am back to picking the tank up Saturday. I try hard not to carry a balance on any of my Credit cards, but hitting a deer was an emergency and that is why I have multiple cards...for emergencies.


I am back to picking the 60g cube tank up on Saturday. I purchased the stand today. I will be reinforcing it since I do not trust prefab stands. Once I get the tank home I will cut out the holes needed for the Overflow pipes. Bulkheads are on order, baffles for the sump will be cut next week, and the return pump is on order as well. The Reef Octopus skimmer will be here tomorrow.

I have a large cleanup crew on order since the 65g reef needed replenished as well.

Since I can not get the rock for 2 weeks I will just work on getting everything set up until then. I may order the seahorses next week since they will be going in the 37g until they are trained to a feeding station anyways. This way it is easier to keep a close watch on them while they settle in and they can grow a bit before going into the bigger 60g tank. I figure by the time the 60g cycles and is ready, the seahorses will be to ;D

vlangel
01/27/2017, 07:19 AM
I decided to put the deductible on the credit card so I am back to picking the tank up Saturday. I try hard not to carry a balance on any of my Credit cards, but hitting a deer was an emergency and that is why I have multiple cards...for emergencies.


I am back to picking the 60g cube tank up on Saturday. I purchased the stand today. I will be reinforcing it since I do not trust prefab stands. Once I get the tank home I will cut out the holes needed for the Overflow pipes. Bulkheads are on order, baffles for the sump will be cut next week, and the return pump is on order as well. The Reef Octopus skimmer will be here tomorrow.

I have a large cleanup crew on order since the 65g reef needed replenished as well.

Since I can not get the rock for 2 weeks I will just work on getting everything set up until then. I may order the seahorses next week since they will be going in the 37g until they are trained to a feeding station anyways. This way it is easier to keep a close watch on them while they settle in and they can grow a bit before going into the bigger 60g tank. I figure by the time the 60g cycles and is ready, the seahorses will be to ;D

Ha ha! I am like you about credit cards but every once in a while for something really special we will use them. Enjoy preparing the 60!

angieg1123
01/27/2017, 11:54 PM
Ahhh...BRS got the branch rock back in stock earlier then they thought :) :beer: Woot Woot...ordered it 5 seconds after I saw it in stock. I wasn't missing it again! I have so many items coming in the mail next week. I do not even want to see my bank acct. EEKS!
I finished reinforcing the stand, glued and screwed. I can't wait to get the tank on the stand tomorrow so I can finish drilling holes for the PVC. Moved it into it's final spot in my office. Finished adding the hitches and feeding dish to the Temp. 37g tank. Added the BH-90 skimmer to the 37g tank as well. (looks terrible on the front of the tank, but would not fit on back. Too tall by about 1/4 inch grrr. Good thing its temporary)
The only things left to buy are the actual Seahorses and a few PVC fixtures. (ball valves, quick disconnect unions, sump sock holder, and 2 more socks for the new system.

I plan to call Dan and Abby Monday to order my pair of H. Erectus. Hopefully they will have an older pair available. I miss raising babies!! Plus I had a great conversation with Beefy. Last time I was breeding, I had so many I could not get rid of! I can now :dance: That is a HUGE relief. Being in an apt. I can not have 18 tanks again to hold the ones I can't find buyers for.

vlangel
01/28/2017, 07:48 AM
O my Angie, I can feel the excitement! I can't hardly wait to see your new seahorses! Your tank looks great btw. Are you going to ask for a yellow pony? I see you have yellow decor.

angieg1123
01/28/2017, 08:55 AM
Mine always turn Yellow or Orange....I'm not sure why. I have gotten black ones that turned yellow in a month. I got browns that turned orange. I even got the snowshines from Tami...yup...they turned yellow too lol.

angieg1123
01/31/2017, 02:52 PM
I received my branch rock from BRS today, along with the clean up crew. I finished drilling hole in the stand for the OF and started on the sump. I am still waiting for the bulkheads, plumbing parts, return pump, and another bag of sand. The seahorses will be here Thursday, and will go into the 37g until the 60g cube is ready for them.

I plan to do a 15g water change on the 37g tonight before the seahorses get here.

vlangel
01/31/2017, 06:37 PM
Looking good!

angieg1123
02/02/2017, 02:00 PM
My Pair of H. Erectus arrived! The male looks suspiciously plump in the pouch area...Would not be the first or even the 2nd time I received a preggo male. I am keeping the lights low for today to give them time to settle in. I did offer Mysis shrimp, but they did not eat it. It usually takes them a day or 2 before they start eating. There are plenty of amphipods for them to snack on.

The pair will remain in the 37g until the 60g cube is ready for them.

I also siliconed the baffles in the 20g High sump today. Will let that set up and cure for a few days before I start plumbing the 60g cube.

vlangel
02/02/2017, 06:05 PM
Yes, he does look as though a pregnancy is a possibility. They are beautiful. Did you get them from Seahorse Source?

angieg1123
02/02/2017, 07:04 PM
Yes I did. It would not be the first time Abbie and Dan sent me a preggo male. I got a pair from them a few years ago that did an egg transfer in the bag...I know this because there were a few eggs on the bottom of the bag. So they either did it in the bag, or he pushed a few eggs out in transport.

angieg1123
02/02/2017, 07:06 PM
I figure in a week or 2 they will be yellow...seems to be the norm for any I get. No matter where I get them from.

angieg1123
02/02/2017, 09:08 PM
I have been making googley eyes at them for hours....good thing it was lights out time or I would still be sitting next to the tank.

vlangel
02/03/2017, 08:06 AM
I have been making googley eyes at them for hours....good thing it was lights out time or I would still be sitting next to the tank.

I was the same way with my new pair.

angieg1123
02/08/2017, 12:50 AM
I finished plumbing the 60g cube today. Everything is dry fit, and I will glue it all tomorrow. I was 2 elbows short so I will pick them up tomorrow as well. Then I will leak test it. Sunday I plan to Epoxy the Branch rock together into some awesome structures. Once that cures I will start cycling the rock. The sump is located on the other side of the wall in the bathroom closet. Since this is in my office and I work from home, I needed it to be silent.

angieg1123
02/08/2017, 12:56 AM
The female figured out the feeding dish on day 2. She is all about the food lol. The male is pregnant so I am target feeding him. He almost never comes out of hiding. He is pretty serious about keeping his pouch / fry safe. I do not intend to raise this batch of fry. I'm not ready. I was not expecting him arrive with a pouch full. Being they are young I figured I had a month or 2 before the fry tanks needed to be set up.

angieg1123
02/08/2017, 12:59 AM
couple of pics of female in the feeding dish...and 1 of the male before he headed behind the rocks.

angieg1123
02/18/2017, 06:11 AM
Did some work on the 60g cube. Rock work is epoxied and done. I plan to rearrange the rock. Not happy with how it looks, I just needed a break lol. I had it all set up on the floor and I loved it. Of course I can't get it to look the same in the tank..grrr. You all know how it goes...ummm nope, not quite right. Tear it apart 30 times before we are happy with it lol :uzi: 40 lbs. Sand is in. 20lbs more will be added. Sump is done. All plumbing is complete and leak checked.

angieg1123
02/18/2017, 06:19 AM
Seahorses are doing Great! The small pouch prolapse on the male has corrected itself. Female is still white / silver. Male is yellow.
The male looked pregnant when he arrived. I was out of town for a funeral and when I got home he was no longer pregnant, but the pouch prolapse was gone. Pretty sure he had the fry and the filter system or the mollies got them. Was most likely a small brood. Once he pushed the fry out the prolapse corrected itself. I'm just glad he is no longer hiding all of the time and is more social now. They will always be the next batch :)

The female is never far from the feeding dish...she is serious about her food lol.

vlangel
02/18/2017, 09:45 AM
They look great Angie. My females are always chow hounds as well.

angieg1123
02/20/2017, 10:51 AM
Making the last bit of water now...should be full and running by tonight.

Spent 135.00 on zoanthid frags for this tank last night. All plumbing is done. Not a single leak, so I didn't have to worry about that.

I purchased a 1/4 hp chiller and chiller pump a few days ago..that should be here this week.

Now all I have to do is decide...LEDs or T5's for the light. I have time...no lights needed during the cycle.

I do have a wavemaker, but I want to wait and see what the flow is like for the seahorses before I add it.

Now it's just the waiting game....wait for the cycle to complete. Wait for the seahorses to grow a bit, wait for my bank acct. to recover lol.
I am adding a few pieces of LR from one of my other tanks, and I am also adding some chaeto from my reef tank sump to this sump. There are millions of pods in there so easy to seed this tank.

vlangel
02/20/2017, 03:33 PM
Very nice! That is going to make a lovely home for your ponies. I have T5s but if I were setting up a new tank I would probably go LEDs. Less heat, less energy consumption and no changing bulbs. When I bought my fixture in 2012 LEDs were still pretty pricey but I think they are competitive now.

angieg1123
02/20/2017, 07:29 PM
Yes...the mars aqua 165w LED is only 94.00...if I don't have to replace the lamps every year, and I can adjust the intensity they are worth it. I switched my 65g reef from MH with actinic T5s over last year and I love it. The LEDs are even strong enough for my Ritteri anemone, and that is one of the biggest light hogs out there! The ritteri has tripled in size in 1 year...and super healthy.

I honestly can't wait to get the 60g cube cycled. I already know I will need more seahorses. 1 pair in there is not going to be enough. Its going to be a game of "where's Waldo" every time I look in the tank. It is massive for the juvi's right now. 2 pair minimum. I may talk to Dan and Abbie and see if their Reidi are on the same system as their erectus. That is where I got my erectus from. If there are on the same system it should be safe to have 1 pair of erectus and 1 pair Reidi in the cube ;) I may get my hybrids after all lol.

vlangel
02/21/2017, 07:28 AM
Thats a cool idea. I never thought to ask them about that. I am not planning on raising fry but I know reidi sometimes come in red and I would love a red or reddish seahorse. I will be ordering 2 more ponies from Dan and Abbie the beginning of April since I only have 2 seahorses in a 56 gallon column with a 20 gallon sump.

angieg1123
02/22/2017, 01:26 AM
I know reidi sometimes come in red and I would love a red or reddish seahorse.

The red / orange one in my avatar was an Erectus...she was beautiful. The male of that pair was so yellow, I swear the glare off of him required sunglasses lol....

rayjay
02/22/2017, 08:31 AM
I would love a red or reddish seahorse.

Just a reminder that when getting a "coloured" seahorse, it may not remain that way when placed in your tank with different surroundings.

angieg1123
02/22/2017, 08:42 PM
True...no matter what color I get, they always turn yellow or orange in my tanks. I bought some snowshines from Tammi...beautiful black with bright silvery white saddle markings...loved them. 3 weeks later I had..you guessed it...Yellow seahorses lol. Don't get me wrong...I love orange and yellow. I was just wanting a pair of blacks and a pair of yellows together. The contrast in the tank was awesome...for 3 weeks. :facepalm:

angieg1123
02/23/2017, 10:48 PM
My 1/4 hp chiller arrived today so I got that plumbed and the tank is cycling. I decided to go with the T5 light over the LEDs because my zoanthids tend to grow better under T5s then the LEDs. If I decide I can't live with the T5s I can always buy the LEDs later.

The light, macros, and misc. items will be here in the next week or so.

I also purchased a 1/15 hp chiller for the fry tanks. Summer is coming and I want to be ready. For now I will hook it up to the 37g that the seahorses are in until the 60g cube completes the cycle period. A fan on the top of the tank has kept is stable at 72F, but as it warms up the fan won't be able to cool it enough. I live in an upper apt and my house is 77 and my heat has been off for over a week. Who would think I would need to open windows in February in Wisconsin lol.

A box of coral frags also arrived today. They are in the 37g until it is safe to move them into the 60g cube.

Now that everything is done, I just have to sit back and wait, and wait, and wait some more.

I will upload some pics tomorrow if I have time. I'm tired and the tank is cloudy from messing with it today.

Seahorses are still doing great. I spoke with Abbie from SeahorseSource and she said it wouldn't be a problem to add a pair of H. Reidi in with the H. Erectus. They put them together and have had no issues. I always thought mixing species was bad...but I trust Dan and Abbie. So it is looking like the final seahorse list in this tank will be 1 pair of Erectus and 1 pair of Reidi.

angieg1123
03/02/2017, 01:26 AM
I plumbed the 1/15 hp chiller to the 37g tank today. I also thinned out some of the feather caulerpa in the 37g. I added it to the 60g cube. Everything is moving along well. I do plan to add another pair of seahorses once they are moved into the 60g. I just do not want to add them to the 37g right now. I have a huge issue with small tanks and too many seahorses.

I have the chiller temp. set to 70 on the 37g for now. I may bring it up to 72. Some of my zoanthids don't seem happy with the temp. drop.

The 60g is getting a few more macros this week and I am adding some pink xenia to the 37g. I know it can get to plague proportions, but I like it. Remind me how much I like it in 6 months when I am removing rocks to scrape it off lol.

The male and female are courting, and the male is keeping that pouch puffed up with water. (it better be water in there)

vlangel
03/02/2017, 08:02 AM
It looks very nice. I love tonga too but have never used it. I have boxes of dried rock left over from prior 90 gallon and a 125 gallon tanks. I just couldn't bring myself to pay for more. I am cheap that way.

I hear you on sand. I definitely like the looks of a sand bed better. I just felt that I was not an accomplished enough seahorse keeper and for me a bb was a less risky option. I painted the underneath of my tank and that helps. I am liking being able to blast the floor to lift everything into suspension. One little pile of debris gathers in a lower flow area and I can syphon it out very easily and I like that. Maybe someday I will have a sandbed again.

Devaji108
07/16/2017, 11:45 AM
I plumbed the 1/15 hp chiller to the 37g tank today. I also thinned out some of the feather caulerpa in the 37g. I added it to the 60g cube. Everything is moving along well. I do plan to add another pair of seahorses once they are moved into the 60g. I just do not want to add them to the 37g right now. I have a huge issue with small tanks and too many seahorses.

I have the chiller temp. set to 70 on the 37g for now. I may bring it up to 72. Some of my zoanthids don't seem happy with the temp. drop.

The 60g is getting a few more macros this week and I am adding some pink xenia to the 37g. I know it can get to plague proportions, but I like it. Remind me how much I like it in 6 months when I am removing rocks to scrape it off lol.

The male and female are courting, and the male is keeping that pouch puffed up with water. (it better be water in there)


I thinks it time for an update! I am thinking of a 60cube 24x24x24 SH tank so I am loving this tread!

angieg1123
09/05/2017, 10:34 PM
I ended up moving them to the 65g RR tank. I moved them because I could have a larger sump and a larger in sump skimmer. I no longer work from home so I wanted them in my living area and out of the office I no longer spend 8-10 hrs a day in. Once I moved the cube tank and could no longer have the sump plumbed thru the wall I just could not fit a decent sized sump under the stand. As of right now the 60 cube's fate is undecided....possibly FW angels, or another species of seahorse if I can find a decent priced cube sump, or I have been thinking of a volition lion fish....

vlangel
09/12/2017, 08:52 AM
We would love to see some pics of the new tank and your ponies if you the chwnce???