Ecotech MP40 or not - frustrating - please help...

[Salty150]

I am putting together a 210 gallon build (6' x 2' x 2.5')

According to the Ecotech website and their MP calculator - 2 MP40s should be more than enough for the tank.

However, I have had several people tell me that 2 MP40s will not be enough.

I am more concerned about water flow and dead spots.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

[Potatohead]

What corals are you keeping?

[f3honda4me]

Hands down I would go two MP60s. As someone who has used mp10/40/60 on various size tanks, IMO two mp40 is not enough. In my 180 build I'll be doing, I will be using two MP60s.

[ClownMan727]

I have 2 MP40's on my 125 and I have added 3 mp10 to the back glass. Now it's enough! I really think it depends on how you set up your rocks. If the tank was empty and all you had was mushrooms growing on the bottom, then one mp 40 could do it. If you are going to fill it completely with rock than 20 mp 60s would not be enough.

[GimpyFin]

IMO, there's probably not a silver bullet answer. Rock layout and where you put the power heads will come into play too like ClownMan mentioned. Though, as much as the Ecotechs cost, you'd think one would be enough. :)

[anthonys51]

i have 2 mp60 on my 265 , its a 7 foot tank with lots of rocks . i mean a lot, maybe 400 lbs of rocks and in some spots its not enough, other spots it is. i wish i could put one on my overflow box, because i want movement behind my rocks

[anthonys51]

IMO, there's probably not a silver bullet answer. Rock layout and where you put the power heads will come into play too like ClownMan mentioned. Though, as much as the Ecotechs cost, you'd think one would be enough. :)

they do cost a lot, but you have a lot of different flow patterns. also there customer support is number 1 in my opinion. my friends gryo is broken. several emails and 9 months later its still isnt fixed. my mp60 was losing connecting , 4 emails and 5 days later its fixed.

its like the corvette and lambo imo. if your looking for pure water movement nothing beats a gryo for your buck, but if your looking for top quality stuff with great customer service mp are the way to go.

ps no i dont work for ecotech, lol

[ktownhero]

I am putting together a 210 gallon build (6' x 2' x 2.5')

According to the Ecotech website and their MP calculator - 2 MP40s should be more than enough for the tank.

However, I have had several people tell me that 2 MP40s will not be enough.

I am more concerned about water flow and dead spots.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

The new MP40s are insanely powerful. 2 of them will handle your tank well if you have a fairly open rock pattern. If you have dense rocks the issue isn't how powerful the pumps are, but how many you have.

I have 2xMP40s on my 4' tank with a fairly open 'scape and I run them at 20%. Any more and it feels like too much.

[rjjr1963]

3xMP40 would give you more placement options to get at those low flow areas.

[Salty150]

What corals are you keeping?

Right now, just several frogspawn and hammers

[Salty150]

Hands down I would go two MP60s. As someone who has used mp10/40/60 on various size tanks, IMO two mp40 is not enough. In my 180 build I'll be doing, I will be using two MP60s.

I know that is the way I should go.

I just have a really hard time (mentally) paying $1,500 for 2 circulation pumps.

[f3honda4me]

I know that is the way I should go.

I just have a really hard time (mentally) paying $1,500 for 2 circulation pumps.

Agreed they are expensive, I always buy used ones when I can. I'd only buy new if I can't wait for some reason.

[ca1ore]

On my 265 I have ended up with MP60 on one end, MP40 on the other end and MP40 on the back. Now I have enough flow.

Personally I would not buy them used - at least not at the prices people seem to want for them. I bought a few 'headaches' before I wised up.

[Potatohead]

Right now, just several frogspawn and hammers

Two MP40QD's would be fine for now IMO, you can always add more pumps later.

[f3honda4me]

On my 265 I have ended up with MP60 on one end, MP40 on the other end and MP40 on the back. Now I have enough flow.

Personally I would not buy them used - at least not at the prices people seem to want for them. I bought a few 'headaches' before I wised up.

Yea some people I think want way too much for used gear. It should be at least 40% less than what it was new, because it's used after all.

[Salty150]

they do cost a lot, but you have a lot of different flow patterns. also there customer support is number 1 in my opinion. my friends gryo is broken. several emails and 9 months later its still isnt fixed. my mp60 was losing connecting , 4 emails and 5 days later its fixed.

its like the corvette and lambo imo. if your looking for pure water movement nothing beats a gryo for your buck, but if your looking for top quality stuff with great customer service mp are the way to go.

ps no i dont work for ecotech, lol

I agree...

I looked at the Gyre - but Maxspect (Gyre) is a Chinese company (not to infer anything other than what is meant...)

The MPs (along with the Radions) seem to be the "gold" standard in our hobby...

[Potatohead]

MP's are one of those things that you pay for, but they are serviceable, they're a good product and they retain value better than most equipment. I think they are worth investing in. Most people forget too that the software programs you can run on them (mainly the ecosmart modes) are not free to develop either.

[anthonys51]

MP's are one of those things that you pay for, but they are serviceable, they're a good product and they retain value better than most equipment. I think they are worth investing in. Most people forget too that the software programs you can run on them (mainly the ecosmart modes) are not free to develop either.



True for 99 bucks you can buy a reef link and control them over your phone. Apex is a lot more than that. I know apex has other stuff but ph probe or salinity doesn't do anything for me.


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[RedStangGA]

Exact same predicament. 220 and not thrilled about spending $ on 2 MP60's. may just start with one, move over my MP40, and see how it goes. Add another later if necessary. Also looking at other alternatives like Tunze and Rossmont.


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[Potatohead]

True for 99 bucks you can buy a reef link and control them over your phone. Apex is a lot more than that. I know apex has other stuff but ph probe or salinity doesn't do anything for me.


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The Reeflink is the one thing actually kind of bugs me. I don't understand why they don't put a wifi receiver in the drivers instead of a radio receiver (which costs more on an MP10) and then control everything through the internet. AI does it with their lights, GHL with dosers... It can't be that expensive.

[anthonys51]

You can't even mention tunze and mps in same sentence. There in 2 different classes. I would do 2 mp 60 in your 220.


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[homer1475]

I would go with the 60's, you can always dial them back. You cannot dial them up past 100% if you need more flow with the 40's.

In my 80 cube I have 2 mp10's and 2 jebao pp8's. One day I'll pony up for 2 mp40's and put the mp10's where my jebao's are.

[Salty150]

I wonder if paying for 4 MP40s would make me feel better than 2 MP60s at the same price... lol

[homer1475]

Yes they are expensive, but their customer service is second to none(and it should be for what they cost)!

One of my pp8's broke and I'm **** out of luck. When my mp10 kept falling off the glass, I made a call and the next day I had a new wet side in the mail. Then my other mp10 had the ceramic coating peeling off the inner shaft on the wet side, again a simple phone call and I had a new wet side the next day. Both times they were overnighted at no cost to me.

[anthonys51]

Yes the money hurts. But so does paying 75 for face cream for ny wife


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[homer1475]

Yes the money hurts. But so does paying 75 for face cream for ny wife


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Too true!

The real question though, does the 75$ face cream help, or would she better off just rubbing the 75$ on her face. :bounce1:

[Potatohead]

I wonder if paying for 4 MP40s would make me feel better than 2 MP60s at the same price... lol

FWIW I have four MP10's on my tank and I would probably trade two 10's for a 40.

If it were me I would start with two 40's, and maybe add a third later, or if you go crazy with SPS or something get a 60 and put one 40 on the back.

[anthonys51]

Too true!

The real question though, does the 75$ face cream help, or would she better off just rubbing the 75$ on her face. :bounce1:



That's what I say but I have 620 gallons of tanks so I can't really talk lol


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[Salty150]

Yes the money hurts. But so does paying 75 for face cream for ny wife



LMAO!

And I am sure you get more enjoyment out of your tanks!

(Sorry, just had to!) :rollface:

[anthonys51]

Kids dog fish wife. I tell my wife that all the time Especially when she yells at me. I say the dog and fish never yell at me


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[Potatohead]

Kids dog fish wife. I tell my wife that all the time Especially when she yells at me. I say the dog and fish never yell at me


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Yep that's going in the bank for future use :lmao:

[anthonys51]

Lol


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[Livinlocal619]

I run 2 mp40s in a standard 180 and it's plenty. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170208/7145cf5d13e92fdba8d69719d0c90072.jpg


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[tvu]

I hear lambos require a lot of service and maintenance and costs a lot more to own over the life of it. Maybe not best analogy lol

I do own 3 MP40s and 3 MP10s. Bearings need to be replaced on all 3 MP40 bearings. I've had to replace 1 power supply, 2 wet sides and 1 dry side.

I still like the vortech for functionality and looks though. I'd like to try a gyre but already invested in ecotech.


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[Salty150]

I run 2 mp40s in a standard 180 and it's plenty.


Holy Tangs Batman! :fun4:

[anthonys51]

I run 2 mp40s in a standard 180 and it's plenty. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170208/7145cf5d13e92fdba8d69719d0c90072.jpg


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Oh my god. Where are the tang police [emoji61]. Don't you know your tangs are unhappy. By the way that naso looks amazing


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[Potatohead]

I'm more impressed by that huge 6-line, lol

[ClownsRCoo]

Ive got a 180 with an MP-60 and MP-40 on each side. After seeing everyone else's response I'm starting to feel a little crazy.... Oh well


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[timnem70]

Potatohead asked the right question... what corals are you keeping? Soft, 2 MP40s would be fine. SPS not enough probably. If you have the funds, go bigger with the 60s. They are adjustable flow wise so you're essentially building for the future as your reef matures and your able to keep corals that require massive flow. And believe me, 2 MP60s will blow! In a good way🐠🙄

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[Livinlocal619]

Oh my god. Where are the tang police [emoji61]. Don't you know your tangs are unhappy. By the way that naso looks amazing


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Thanks but they are definitely very happy. I seriously never see them fight or be aggressive toward each other whatsoever, but yet again, most of my tangs are 6+ years old


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[Livinlocal619]

I'm more impressed by that huge 6-line, lol



He's a beast haha and is 11 years old or so


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[Livinlocal619]

Another thing, what return paint are you using, or what is the return flow rate? This will also come into play as if you have a large return pump, you can aim the returns to places where the mp40s won't reach


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[Livinlocal619]

Pump *


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[anthonys51]

Thanks but they are definitely very happy. I seriously never see them fight or be aggressive toward each other whatsoever, but yet again, most of my tangs are 6+ years old


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I was joking. They look great


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[Livinlocal619]

I was joking. They look great


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Haha I know you were


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[GimpyFin]

I run 2 mp40s in a standard 180 and it's plenty. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170208/7145cf5d13e92fdba8d69719d0c90072.jpg


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Beautiful tank! :thumbsup:

[Livinlocal619]

Beautiful tank! :thumbsup:



Thanks !!


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[jeffhaag]

Just make sure you get the newer QD models. The older ones are junk and make a loud whirling noise if you don't leave it at a constant speed.

[hogfanreefer]

I have two MP40's and twoMP10's on my 6'x2' tank. The opposite MP40 and the same side MP10 are on anti-synch and the opposite side MP10 is on synch. The MP10s are directed behind the rocks. Works well for me.

Only downside is most 6' tanks are really too thick for MP10s( although they seem to work fine for me despite that)

[ktownhero]

I know that is the way I should go.

I just have a really hard time (mentally) paying $1,500 for 2 circulation pumps.
Totally disagree. 3 or 4 MP40s will be far better than 2 MP60s.

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[anthonys51]

Totally disagree. 3 or 4 MP40s will be far better than 2 MP60s.

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I am not too sure about this 2 mp60 doesn't seem to be enough on my 265. But my tank is only 3 months old and stuff is growing. I was thinking about getting an mp40 or mp10 and putting it on wall. I can't really say if 4 mp40 would of been better than 2 mp60 Would have more areas of water movement but mp60 blow twice the water as mp40. So would that movement be as strong. I honestly don't know. Never had both
My tank now. The anemone does move around quite a bit in the middle of the tXnk though
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/d9c289e935e05d1d2ff105622bc09f0a.jpg


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[timnem70]

A really good alternative to the Ecotech powerhead are Aquamedic Ecodrife. About half the price and come in about 5 different versions. I got the 8.0 for my old 40 breeder and it was too much. Had to go bare bottom. Don't have that tank anymore amd its on my curremt setup but the powerhead is still going strong after 3 years. Check the website


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