Multiple magnificas

[Gig 'em]

I acquired several magnificas and I'm currently putting them through the treatment acclimation process. I'm hoping to help local hobbyists have more success with this species by employing my experience and resources to do all the acclimation and treatment work for them. I thought I would document the progress and success rate for everyone here.

This one has already made it through med treatment and is coloring up in QT tank.
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2 newest specimens. Came in in real bad shape and cold water
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Anemones making their way through treatment
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[pfan151]

That's pretty cool. How much are you planning to charge when they are ready? Hopefully people in your area can realize that buying one that is guaranteed to be healthy is worth paying extra for.


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[Gig 'em]

That's pretty cool. How much are you planning to charge when they are ready? Hopefully people in your area can realize that buying one that is guaranteed to be healthy is worth paying extra for.


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I haven't decided on price yet. I'm not doing this to get rich by any means, but mainly as a way to help reduce the mortality rate of one of my favorite animas in the trade. I'll try to keep the price reasonable, but high enough to recoup my costs in salt water, medications, energy, and time. I've considered returning them to my LFS for them to resell as certifiably acclimated magnificas. My LFS is trying to break into online sales, so they may eventually be available nationally as WYSIWYG treated anemones. In that case I'll let the LFS determine the price.

[OrionN]

I hope they will do well for you. I am so glad we can do something for these beautiful animals. It was painful for me to watch my anemones repeated deflated and wasted away in the past.

[Gig 'em]

One of the mags (the one with the massive gaping mouth in the first post) is not recovering well. Initially he looked better after a couple days of treatment, but has since been on the decline. The mouth continues to stay open and he is always flipped upside down in the hospital tank. The water continues to become more cloudy and I've had to increase water changes to keep it clean. I'm not too optimistic about this one, but the other two are looking quite promising and I'm confident that they'll make it through treatment and into the QT tank successfully.

[D-Nak]

Thanks for doing this. I agree that it helps the community as a whole.

IME, mags respond extremely well to treatment. However, if they don't respond after a couple of days, like the one you're describing that's in bad shape, they typically die. I hope your experience is different.

[Gig 'em]

Thanks for doing this. I agree that it helps the community as a whole.

IME, mags respond extremely well to treatment. However, if they don't respond after a couple of days, like the one you're describing that's in bad shape, they typically die. I hope your experience is different.

That's my experience as well. I may try switching up my treatment to see if I can turn it around. I have a couple other antibiotics on hand to experiment with and see if they have any additional benefits.

[Gig 'em]

Update: the two healthier anemones continue to look better
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The pink one is neither improving or declining further. To me that's not a great sign...
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[worm5406]

Looking good. Keep up with the pictures and updates please.

[Gig 'em]

Anemones looked about the same this morning when I performed water changes. I'll probably be graduating the two healthier specimens into the QT tank tomorrow and I'll focus solely on the struggling pink one.

[ReeferDash]

What are you treating them with? I've never treated or QTed a nem before, though granted mine are all rock flowers, and they're much hardier.


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[Gig 'em]

What are you treating them with? I've never treated or QTed a nem before, though granted mine are all rock flowers, and they're much hardier.


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I'm mainly using ciprofloxacin at the moment. There is a thread here explaining a common treatment protocol using ciprofloxacin. I imagine you probably wouldn't need to treat a rock anemone as it isn't as delicate as the H. magnifica species.

[ReeferDash]

Yeah, H. magnífica is definitely for further down the line for me. I really want to try one though, in a dedicated species tank.


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[Gig 'em]

Well the pink one that has always look iffy has finally began to melt. I assumed after a few days of treatment without showing any improvement that it was pretty much doomed. The other mags have graduated into QT and are settling in now

Last day of pink based anemone
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Graduation day
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[Gig 'em]

It's been a tough day today. On top of the pink foot magnifica not making it, the large one that made it through QT decided to leave its spot and find the power head some time while I was gone today. On top of that my protein skimmer pump litter last burned out at he same time and was smoking in the sump. Performed a 50% water change and we'll see what happens. I'm having a hard time imagining selling these guys for real cheap now...

This was after the water change. Water still isn't clear a couple hours later
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[OrionN]

I am sorry to hear this. :(

[pfan151]

Wow. Sucks to see that. Is the one that got in the power head toast or is that it below the power head in the pic? Good luck. Hopefully everything looks better in the morning.

[Gig 'em]

Wow. Sucks to see that. Is the one that got in the power head toast or is that it below the power head in the pic? Good luck. Hopefully everything looks better in the morning.



It's the one lying below the power head in the picture. It was a monster of an anemone, over a foot fully expanded before the power head so there was a lot of anemone blended up into the water. The water was still cloudy this morning so I moved the other two anemones into a smaller tank with cleaner water for no. The shredded anemone is still alive, but I've never had experience with mags being shredded and surviving before like BTAs, so in that sense I'm very interested to see if a mag can pull itself through this incident and recover fully. Lessons learned for sure [emoji53]

[Gig 'em]

The anemone that got sucked into the power head looks like it won't make it. Interestingly though are those clusters that the anemone is showing in its final moments. Not sure if these are organ parts (none that I've seen?) or gametes to release to help preserve itself? No clue, has anyone seen anything like this?
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[CoralsAddiction]

Sorry to hear.

[ReeferDash]

The anemone that got sucked into the power head looks like it won't make it. Interestingly though are those clusters that the anemone is showing in its final moments. Not sure if these are organ parts (none that I've seen?) or gametes to release to help preserve itself? No clue, has anyone seen anything like this?
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[emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]

I was really hoping this one would miraculously recover.


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[Gig 'em]

[emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]

I was really hoping this one would miraculously recover.


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Me too, it was a truly spectacular specimen. I wish I had taken better photos before it was too late. Many lessons learned this week from this anemone [emoji20]

[AD87]

I am sorry to hear, multiple mags are hard to keep. I have been keeping this species for awhile.

[worm5406]

That one pictures is the gametogenic tissue. That is where the sperm and the eggs come from depending on the sex.

[Gig 'em]

That one pictures is the gametogenic tissue. That is where the sperm and the eggs come from depending on the sex.

I was thinking it was something along those lines. I doubt they're viable though. Would be a pleasant surprise if they were...

[ReeferDash]

I was thinking it was something along those lines. I doubt they're viable though. Would be a pleasant surprise if they were...



That would be soooo cool.


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[Gig 'em]

That would be soooo cool.


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I saved a few of the clusters and put them in a jar just in case. The chances of them being alive and viable is probably incredibly slim, but why not keep a couple just to see?

[ReeferDash]

I wish you could somehow freeze them all for artificial insemination as desired.


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[Gig 'em]

I wish you could somehow freeze them all for artificial insemination as desired.


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[emoji23] that would be awesome. If only I had that capability. The big question is how do you acquire anemone sperm? [emoji848][emoji38]

[Gig 'em]

Three mags making their way through the QT process
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[CoralsAddiction]

They are looking good. Great job.

[nemguy]

Mags are so hard to treat together I've learned my lesson a few times and treat them all individual in 5 gallon or 10 gallon tanks haven't lost one yet with this method also the power head problem I keep only 2 power heads in my 300 gallon and it's enough flow for all the mags and gigs and they're far away enough so that the nems never find them :)


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[Gig 'em]

Mags are so hard to treat together I've learned my lesson a few times and treat them all individual in 5 gallon or 10 gallon tanks haven't lost one yet with this method also the power head problem I keep only 2 power heads in my 300 gallon and it's enough flow for all the mags and gigs and they're far away enough so that the nems never find them :)


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The anemones in the picture above are in a QT tank that is plumbed into a larger tank, but yes, I've found that they respond better when treated individually. I only treat together when I'm running short on meds and multiple nems need treatment.

[nemguy]

The anemones in the picture above are in a QT tank that is plumbed into a larger tank, but yes, I've found that they respond better when treated individually. I only treat together when I'm running short on meds and multiple nems need treatment.

I hear you on that I need to get more cipro myself! lol I've had better success treating different species of anemones together rather than 2 of the same it's weird!




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[FNGsaltwater]

Not that they would be viable. This is the "gonad" region. The anemone' sex parts, if you will. I have a pic of my anemones when I put him in my holding tank before the HT.

[Gig 'em]

Not that they would be viable. This is the "gonad" region. The anemone' sex parts, if you will. I have a pic of my anemones when I put him in my holding tank before the HT.



Wow that's a great photo for reference! Thanks for sharing

[Gig 'em]

I hear you on that I need to get more cipro myself! lol I've had better success treating different species of anemones together rather than 2 of the same it's weird!




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I have a loose theory that treating two mags at the same time without knowing what's ailing both of them could lead to one anemone being cured by the antibiotic, but if the other one was infected with a strain that isn't affected by the antibiotic or even a virus, then it can transfer to the cured anemone and you'd be back in the same boat of both being sick. Just a theory I was thinking about the other day.

[nemguy]

That is a good hypothesis I would agree because I've had that happen a few times when I've tried to treat multiple gigs or mags at a time it's just a pain :(


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[Gig 'em]

I was able to share my successes with other hobbyists and provide them with mags that had been successfully treated and acclimated to tank conditions for well over half a year. I felt so good about the results (minus the time one got shredded in a PH and took down my QT) that I've decided to bring some more in and do another round. I order 3 more from my LFS and they arrive today. Hoping for 0 mortality rate this time!

[Kinetic]

Yes Gig’em!! You’re doing a great service to us all. Hopefully I’ll have a bigger tank one day to get another one (or two) from you.

[Gig 'em]

Yes Gig’em!! You’re doing a great service to us all. Hopefully I’ll have a bigger tank one day to get another one (or two) from you.



Thanks bud! It's great to find a challenging hobby that can also help people and reduce the mortality rate of these gorgeous creatures. So far I have my work cut out for me on this round, all three mags came in looking pretty poor and with lots of brown gunk in the water
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[Gig 'em]

Mags have been acclimated. Now begins the treatment period
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[Kinetic]

They're not perfect, but definitely look save-able (especially from an experienced person like yourself). Keep us updated!!

[Gig 'em]

Let's hope so. They certainly haven't improved and mouths remain gaping open. It's still too early to tell their health status, but I'll keep y'all updated!

[Jamie1210]

Wow, this is quite a project. I'm sure you're having fun :) hard to tell from your picture, but what colors are they?

Gluck and keep us posted!

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[Gig 'em]

Wow, this is quite a project. I'm sure you're having fun :) hard to tell from your picture, but what colors are they?

Gluck and keep us posted!

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They all have a ways to go in coloring back up, but the columns are purple, green tentacles, and what looks like yellow tips when under white light.

[lapin]

They should be fat and healthy by the time my tank is ready.

[pfan151]

Can you get a pic under white lights? I might have to put an order in with Liveaquaria if they are purple based and green. My other mag needs a friend

[Gig 'em]

They should be fat and healthy by the time my tank is ready.



Haha YES! Your tank would be a perfect candidate. Nice, big, and close by [emoji16]

[Gig 'em]

Can you get a pic under white lights? I might have to put an order in with Liveaquaria if they are purple based and green. My other mag needs a friend



Best pic I can get at the moment. The one on the right has looked the worst off since the beginning and hasn't improved. Keeping a close eye on him...

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[pfan151]

Yea. Looks like that one may be too far gone. Still tough to tell on the colors. What location were they from on liveaquaria’s site?

[Gig 'em]

Yea. Looks like that one may be too far gone. Still tough to tell on the colors. What location were they from on liveaquaria’s site?



So far the one on the left is likely to survive, the one in the middle is questionable, and the one on the right likely won't make it. I ordered these anemones through my LFS, I didn't order them from LA. A little disappointed in the shape they were in after shipping, I've seen mags come in mad, but these were beyond ticked.

[Gig 'em]

Well seems like this one was too far gone. Already melting away. Hopefully I can turn the other two around...
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[Jamie1210]

Aww, sorry to hear. Well, you've still got 2 more. Rootin' for ya here!

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[Gig 'em]

I don't want to jinx myself, but I believe the other two are in the clear at this point. Both look good, tight mouths, and no deflating. I think the one that died shortly after starting treatment was just too far gone. That's the unfortunate part about getting them in unknown condition, you have no clue if they had been struggling before even being shipped. Still can't complain about 2/3 success rate this round [emoji106]

[Gig 'em]

One more days and mags will be graduated to the QT tank to heal and recover!

[Kinetic]

We need pictures!

[Gig 'em]

Graduation day! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171228/c7565a71121e4c5d4ed07e5ee01d498e.jpg

Now to recover for a few months...

[Kinetic]

they look great! How big are they?

[Jeff000]

You are really really making me want to set up a couple tanks and see if I can order a few in. But in Canada they ship especially terribly. But I know so many people that want one!

[Gig 'em]

The bigger one is about 9" and the smaller is about 6". Green is starting to return to their tentacles
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[Gig 'em]

Picture update with some whites on. Both mags are looking healthy and coloring up very nicely! Looking to get in another round soon.
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[Gig 'em]

Well I'm at a loss here. Both anemones were doing well for almost a month, and then suddenly and out of nowhere the medium one started showing lesions around the mouth. I took it out and started another round cipro last week. Whatever is wrong with it is not being improved by cipro treatment. Possibly viral infection or some other systematic failure? This has happened to me before with a purple and green mag, it was fine for months and then POOF! Started going downhill and could never be successfully treated. Very unfortunate really. I imagine it will be dead by the end of the week. The larger one has been put in treatment too and is now starting to go downhill. [emoji31]
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[Jamie1210]

Oh no! Reminds me of what happened to mine. Went through cipro with flying colors but after a few months in dt, just went downhill. So sorry to hear.

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[pfan151]

Wow. Depressing to see

[Gig 'em]

I've been out of town for a few days for work and came home to the medium anemone dead in its tank. The larger one is alive, but hasn't improved. I'm going to change my treatment strategy and try a different technique since cipro doesn't seem to be working. I have two more mags arriving today from a different vendor, hopefully they will have better results. If not I may consider throwing in the towel on this venture of mine. [emoji29]

[Kinetic]

I've been out of town for a few days for work and came home to the medium anemone dead in its tank. The larger one is alive, but hasn't improved. I'm going to change my treatment strategy and try a different technique since cipro doesn't seem to be working. I have two more mags arriving today from a different vendor, hopefully they will have better results. If not I may consider throwing in the towel on this venture of mine. [emoji29]

OMG don't give up Gig'em! The (reefing) world needs you!

[Gig 'em]

OMG don't give up Gig'em! The (reefing) world needs you!



Well the good news is the two mags I received today look to be in better shape than the last order. So there's hope for my morale yet with this round. Going to change up my strategy and try something new with these guys to see if I can get improved results. Pictures to follow

[Gig 'em]

Mags have acclimated well and look good so far. Not the most amazing colors, but maybe that will change over time.

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[Gig 'em]

Visited a friends house today who I sold one of my mags too. It's good to remind myself of the success stories [emoji7]
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[Jamie1210]

Don't give up! You've been doing so well with the project so far, don't let this setback get you down. As shown from the pic you last posted, it's very rewarding when the mag pulls through!

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[THEUNION1]

Are they being fed along with the long process of acclimation?

[Gig 'em]

Are they being fed along with the long process of acclimation?



Thank you for the encouraging replies everyone!

No, I typically don't feed them during acclimating. In my experience feeding them during this stage leading to the best results.

[BClute]

Thank you for the encouraging replies everyone!

No, I typically don't feed them during acclimating. In my experience feeding them during this stage leading to the best results.



Hey Gig, do you have a step by step instructions for your treatment plan? I have my first ever mag coming in on Tuesday and I a have been reading up on the treatment/acc process but still have quite a few questions. Like why type of lights are best to use, light cycle, and most importantly I've read that people are making the water and then letting it sit for at least 24 hours prior to use in the qt tank.. I just want to clarify that this is newly made saltwater and not water form the DT..? Thanks a ton in advance.


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[Gig 'em]

Hey Gig, do you have a step by step instructions for your treatment plan? I have my first ever mag coming in on Tuesday and I a have been reading up on the treatment/acc process but still have quite a few questions. Like why type of lights are best to use, light cycle, and most importantly I've read that people are making the water and then letting it sit for at least 24 hours prior to use in the qt tank.. I just want to clarify that this is newly made saltwater and not water form the DT..? Thanks a ton in advance.


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I have a set up in my fish room with layers of QT and treatment tanks. New mags come in and start in the bottom tanks where the light is the lowest. I move them up as time goes on to acclimate them to higher light conditions. I use a mix of water from a 50 gallon reservoir that has been mixed for a couple of days and water from my DT tank. I like water from the DT because I think adding back some mature cycled water is helpful. This is just a theory and I haven't tested it yet vs. brand new water. I do water changes every day, 250 mg cipro unless the anemone is showing high signs of distress, then 500 mg, but typically that doesn't seem to make a difference. Seems like when cipro isn't helping, no higher concentration of cipro will. Just my own opinion from personal experience. I keep the whole fish room around 80 deg and the tanks with good oxygenation and water flow. Lights are Ocean Revive LEDs.

[BClute]

I have a set up in my fish room with layers of QT and treatment tanks. New mags come in and start in the bottom tanks where the light is the lowest. I move them up as time goes on to acclimate them to higher light conditions. I use a mix of water from a 50 gallon reservoir that has been mixed for a couple of days and water from my DT tank. I like water from the DT because I think adding back some mature cycled water is helpful. This is just a theory and I haven't tested it yet vs. brand new water. I do water changes every day, 250 mg cipro unless the anemone is showing high signs of distress, then 500 mg, but typically that doesn't seem to make a difference. Seems like when cipro isn't helping, no higher concentration of cipro will. Just my own opinion from personal experience. I keep the whole fish room around 80 deg and the tanks with good oxygenation and water flow. Lights are Ocean Revive LEDs.



Thanks so much for the response. As far as lighting do you think it makes a big deal at this stage in the game (as far as type/intensity)? I've seen/read about people just using like a regular house CFL. I'm either going to purchase an extra LED setup just for this or I can DIY a setup with some VHOs or PCs that I have laying around. I think using an old MH setup would prob be overkill at this point. Also, even though I've never Done this process I would feel better using 50% DT/cycled water with 50% 24 hour old new water as well.

I find it interesting that increasing the Cipro hasn't had an impact from your experience. Have you ever tried mixing 2 AB's with the Cipro such as Ceph, azithro, Amoxy, Metro(be interested in this one as it great H.pylori and ulcer causing bacteria), or maybe even Doxy?

Lastly how many days min and then max do you do this treatment for?

Thanks a ton for your time. I want to make sure I'm 100% ready for this beauty when it arrives.


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[ChizerBunoi]

HI Gig 'em. Best of luck with these two new mags. I hope they pull through for you.

[Gig 'em]

Thanks so much for the response. As far as lighting do you think it makes a big deal at this stage in the game (as far as type/intensity)? I've seen/read about people just using like a regular house CFL. I'm either going to purchase an extra LED setup just for this or I can DIY a setup with some VHOs or PCs that I have laying around. I think using an old MH setup would prob be overkill at this point. Also, even though I've never Done this process I would feel better using 50% DT/cycled water with 50% 24 hour old new water as well.

I find it interesting that increasing the Cipro hasn't had an impact from your experience. Have you ever tried mixing 2 AB's with the Cipro such as Ceph, azithro, Amoxy, Metro(be interested in this one as it great H.pylori and ulcer causing bacteria), or maybe even Doxy?

Lastly how many days min and then max do you do this treatment for?

Thanks a ton for your time. I want to make sure I'm 100% ready for this beauty when it arrives.


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I definitely think lighting plays a big role in the acclimation process. Too much light and you'll stress the anemone, too little and the anemone will wither away. It's just personal judgement on how the anemone looks when it comes in and it's response to light intensity.

I have tried different antibiotics like amoxy and metro with little success (though usually it's my secondary attempt when an anemone isn't responding to cipro, so it's already in poor shape). The use of other antibiotics and the failed results make me believe sometime anemones succumb to viral infections or some sort of biological degradation due to environmental factors. Cipro isn't always the key to success unfortunately [emoji20]

I never treat for less than 7 days, I rarely surpass 7 either since either the anemone is healthy enough for the QT by then or is just going to be a goner.

[BClute]

I definitely think lighting plays a big role in the acclimation process. Too much light and you'll stress the anemone, too little and the anemone will wither away. It's just personal judgement on how the anemone looks when it comes in and it's response to light intensity.

I have tried different antibiotics like amoxy and metro with little success (though usually it's my secondary attempt when an anemone isn't responding to cipro, so it's already in poor shape). The use of other antibiotics and the failed results make me believe sometime anemones succumb to viral infections or some sort of biological degradation due to environmental factors. Cipro isn't always the key to success unfortunately [emoji20]

I never treat for less than 7 days, I rarely surpass 7 either since either the anemone is healthy enough for the QT by then or is just going to be a goner.



Very interesting... sounds like you need to get your hands on some anti viral medication. From what I've seen/read it usually seems that the nem responds pretty quickly if the Cipro is going to work. If it doesn't have a positive response to the AB within 36/48 hours maybe you could try dosing an Anti-Viral such as one for the flu, or maybe even one such as a Valtrex. Another med that's OTC that you could try if you're backed In the corner and think the infection might be viral in nature is lysine (amino acid). Lysine has been tested quite a bit and has been shown to have anti-viral properties and Has a VERY high LD.
Thanks again!


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[Gig 'em]

Very interesting... sounds like you need to get your hands on some anti viral medication. From what I've seen/read it usually seems that the nem responds pretty quickly if the Cipro is going to work. If it doesn't have a positive response to the AB within 36/48 hours maybe you could try dosing an Anti-Viral such as one for the flu, or maybe even one such as a Valtrex. Another med that's OTC that you could try if you're backed In the corner and think the infection might be viral in nature is lysine (amino acid). Lysine has been tested quite a bit and has been shown to have anti-viral properties and Has a VERY high LD.
Thanks again!


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Fascinating. Do you have any links to studies that showed lysine was effective against viral infections?

[BClute]

Fascinating. Do you have any links to studies that showed lysine was effective against viral infections?



I read one a little while ago, let me see if I can find it.


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[THEUNION1]

I read one a little while ago, let me see if I can find it.


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Down the rabbit hole... I’ve had that happen. Any news on that article?

[BClute]

Down the rabbit hole... I’ve had that happen. Any news on that article?



Ah I totally forgot about this.. all the articles I have found are impacts of lysine on HSV-1 which at the end of the day is still a virus:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3115841/

Here's an excerpt from the abstract:

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symptoms were significantly (p less than 0.05) diminished in severity and healing time was significantly reduced (p less than 0.05). L-Lysine appears to be an effective agent for reduction of occurrence, severity and healing time for recurrent HSV infection"

Also, to be honest while I have never had HSV-1, a couple times I thought I might be getting a sore I started taking lysine and what I thought might be the start of a sore completely went away.. it's highly doubtful that the lysine totally interrupted the viruses and I was prob being a hypochondriac, but who knows.


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[Gig 'em]

Ah I totally forgot about this.. all the articles I have found are impacts of lysine on HSV-1 which at the end of the day is still a virus:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3115841/

Here's an excerpt from the abstract:

"
symptoms were significantly (p less than 0.05) diminished in severity and healing time was significantly reduced (p less than 0.05). L-Lysine appears to be an effective agent for reduction of occurrence, severity and healing time for recurrent HSV infection"

Also, to be honest while I have never had HSV-1, a couple times I thought I might be getting a sore I started taking lysine and what I thought might be the start of a sore completely went away.. it's highly doubtful that the lysine totally interrupted the viruses and I was prob being a hypochondriac, but who knows.


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Hey worth looking into and testing for sure! Antibiotics can only go so far and has had no impact for me on several occasions.

[BClute]

Hey worth looking into and testing for sure! Antibiotics can only go so far and has had no impact for me on several occasions.



Also considering fish is said to have naturally occurring l-lysine levels I doubt high concentrations would have a negative impact on the nem. Also, taking into consideration it's an amino acid, but too much of anything can be negative. Dosing high levels of lysine I would hypothesize would either help the nem if infection is viral in nature or not do anything .


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[OrionN]

Virus are tricky little things. We human have minimal success with antivirals. Tamiflu is one. Most of the other antiviral meds worth a lot more than their weight in gold so the chance of finding them in fish tanks is zilcho.

[Gig 'em]

Also considering fish is said to have naturally occurring l-lysine levels I doubt high concentrations would have a negative impact on the nem. Also, taking into consideration it's an amino acid, but too much of anything can be negative. Dosing high levels of lysine I would hypothesize would either help the nem if infection is viral in nature or not do anything .


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Yeah I've tried this method too, adding a clownfish to my magnifica QT tank. As you said, the level of lysine present on the clownfish may not be enough to make an impact. Maybe adding more than one clown would help, it's worth a trial for sure.

[BClute]

Yeah I've tried this method too, adding a clownfish to my magnifica QT tank. As you said, the level of lysine present on the clownfish may not be enough to make an impact. Maybe adding more than one clown would help, it's worth a trial for sure.



No what I meant is the levels of lysine found in the fish. Meaning like when a nem ingests a fish it is ingesting higher concentrations of lysine from the meat.


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[Gig 'em]

No what I meant is the levels of lysine found in the fish. Meaning like when a nem ingests a fish it is ingesting higher concentrations of lysine from the meat.


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Gotcha, well that may be difficult since when mags are weakened and sickly it's hard to get them to eat.

[BClute]

Gotcha, well that may be difficult since when mags are weakened and sickly it's hard to get them to eat.



I just meant that since lysine is naturally occurring and nems eat fish who naturally have high levels of lysine it shouldn't be detrimental to the health of the nem if one doses lysine in their hospital tank in high levels since it's a naturally occurring amino acid that they're exposed to. I don't know the genome of nems and if they utilize lysine in protein synth, but we at least know that it shouldn't be poisonous as they are exposed to it naturally. Sorry for any confusion.

Someone send me a Mag and I'll test it out haha.

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[Mirror Pond]

Any updates on the two newest mags?

[Gig 'em]

Unfortunately they became unresponsive to cipro treatments. I'm pretty sure there is a virus or pathogen that is not affected by cipro so I'm shutting down the system and sterilizing it. I'll restart it in the future when I have a little more free time in town