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BigBearMD
03/14/2017, 09:38 PM
Well I'm building my second tank. The first was a Biocube 32 which has just been modified along the way. Northing to exciting. Now I'm setting up a true tank specifically for coral and frags.

I've ordered a rimless, 34g 36x18x12 tank which the LFS found as a steal from their supplier. I think its a Deep Blue Ocean but I didn't write down the product number and we looked at a bunch so I might have that wrong.

In the meantime I'm piecing together the equipment list.

I'm heavily leaning towards a Neptune Apex over a more reasonably priced Seneye and a series of timers, etc. Anyone care to weigh in here?

I picked up a 20g tall standard tank from Petco for a sump. BTW word on the street is they are starting their $1/gallon sell in a couple of weeks. I haven't added baffles and I might wait and see how the stand comes together and buy a different tank then.

Lighting I'm leaning towards two Kessil A160WE opposed to one A360WE. I think two will give more full coverage and I figure I can darken on side of the tank if a need a dimmer area.

I'm also looking at:
2 BRS media reactors for Carbon and GFO.
1 Marine pure 8x8x4 for biofiltration, in the sump
Two part dosing system, probably the BRS system again

BigBearMD
03/14/2017, 09:44 PM
I spent a couple of hours in the garage today cleaning up some 2x10s to start framing a stand. I plan on making a very overbuild frame and then skinning the stand to look really nice when it's done. Here's the work so far.

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Sambo107
03/14/2017, 10:02 PM
Looking good! Eventually in the long run that apex can end up saving some money because of all the functions its able to do. And i like the dual kessil idea especially if you decide to have some LPS or softies mixed in with some SPS

neilp2006
03/15/2017, 08:51 PM
Nice stand build so far. Where did you get nice square 2x10s with planed edges all round? All I can find is rounded edge stuff that is impossible to keep square when assembling. About to redo it in 1x6 , sistered, for the main spans


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BigBearMD
03/15/2017, 09:46 PM
Thanks. I had to go get more wood today and after that, dinner, setting up a 10g to cycle some marine pure and finishing up some work I didn't have it in me to get into the workshop.

To answer your question though I have a nice wood shop set up in the garage. Reefing is just one of many hobbies.

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BigBearMD
03/15/2017, 09:51 PM
I agree though standard 2xanything is terrible for furniture building. I have been cutting to approximate length then jointing and planing. Then to the table saw for dimension. Followed by another trip to the miter saw for final lengths. It's a lengthy process. Honestly though I always love a day in the shop and particularly love the final assembly days.

My wife has me building a new bed frame for my daughter so I have to split time between the two.

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BigBearMD
03/15/2017, 10:48 PM
Just placed a big BRS order. RO/DI, misc stuff, a couple of pumps, etc. I'm not sure what size the pre-drilled holes are some I'm waiting to get the tank, which should be tomorrow.

I decided on the Apex but they were out of stock. I'll call tomorrow, but I can't imagine they'll be out of stock for long.

Anyone have a good answer for ATO using the apex. I went to autotopoff.com and I think I can figure out a redundant system with a breakout box addition but I'm open for proven solutions.

neilp2006
03/16/2017, 08:33 AM
Thanks. I had to go get more wood today and after that, dinner, setting up a 10g to cycle some marine pure and finishing up some work I didn't have it in me to get into the workshop.

To answer your question though I have a nice wood shop set up in the garage. Reefing is just one of many hobbies.

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I have the same lumber rack!

I don't have that kind of facility. It may cost a lot more, but I'm thinking 1x6 for my stand. Already planed and straight. I've tried using regular 2 bys for bookcases etc before and they suck


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BigBearMD
03/16/2017, 09:07 AM
How big of a tank are you putting on it?

I'm way, way overkill on this build. I'm putting it in my study next to my computer and on the second floor. If the stand fails under load I will never hear the end of it.


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BigBearMD
03/16/2017, 06:01 PM
Alright! The tank came in today.

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I was hoping to have a herbie set up but it only has two holes drilled in it. Any suggestions? I'm hoping for a quite overflow.

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BigBearMD
03/16/2017, 09:08 PM
I have the same lumber rack!

I don't have that kind of facility. It may cost a lot more, but I'm thinking 1x6 for my stand. Already planed and straight. I've tried using regular 2 bys for bookcases etc before and they suck


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Have you started a build thread? I'd like to follow along your build too.


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BigBearMD
03/17/2017, 05:27 PM
Good day in the shop. Daughter was at daycare and wife had a substitute position. The frame is essentially finished. This thing is way over built.

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Now to some paint to protect the wood and waiting on all the goods from BRS.


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neilp2006
03/17/2017, 06:56 PM
How big of a tank are you putting on it?

I'm way, way overkill on this build. I'm putting it in my study next to my computer and on the second floor. If the stand fails under load I will never hear the end of it.


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A 125. It's 72x18x22, marineland.

I like overengineered. Just another way of saying safe, I guess.

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neilp2006
03/17/2017, 07:00 PM
Have you started a build thread? I'd like to follow along your build too.


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Not yet, but soon. Next month or so.

Tradeoff is the wife wants matching white builtins on the wall opposite. I get to do that while tank and goodies get delivered.

Planning on drilling for a shadow overflow and beananimal combo, a 40b for a sump (middle return section with a big refugium slow flow teed off the return on the right side).




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BigBearMD
03/19/2017, 07:22 PM
Nice morning with the family. Good afternoon in the shop. It's coming along nicely.

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BigBearMD
03/20/2017, 05:51 PM
Spent a lot of time yesterday planing the wood and getting it cut to all but final dimensions. After work today I was able to get it mounted. I brad nailed it directly to the frame.

Piping comes on Wednesday. We're getting close here.

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BigBearMD
03/20/2017, 08:43 PM
Somehow my wife let me work after dinner. She must want something. I bet this is going to cost me.

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Jah2707
03/21/2017, 11:44 AM
Nice woodworking. Following along for the ride.

BigBearMD
03/21/2017, 02:58 PM
Nice woodworking. Following along for the ride.



Thanks. Woodworking is another hobby of mine. I have really enjoyed getting to use both for this build.


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BigBearMD
03/21/2017, 03:31 PM
Ohh it looks like Christmas at my house and it's all for me. Too bad I'm at work until midnight.

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Odysi
03/21/2017, 05:21 PM
You have 2 options if you want a herbie style overflow.

1. Use the 2 holes for your drains and go over top with the return.
2. Drill the tank for a return.

BigBearMD
03/21/2017, 08:09 PM
You have 2 options if you want a herbie style overflow.

1. Use the 2 holes for your drains and go over top with the return.
2. Drill the tank for a return.



That's about what I had concluded. Turns out it's tempered so drilling is out of the question.

I was worried about the number of 90* elbows I would have to put in to get it out of the stand of over the back but ultimately I think it'll be worth it. At least that's my assumption after watching YouTube videos about the durso and herbie drains. I ordered a Sicce 2.0 and 3.0. I figured whichever I don't use for the tank will work fine for a water mixing station.


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Odysi
03/22/2017, 05:09 AM
Sorry i should have been a little clearer. I meant for you to drill the back panel which is not tempered. You can check http://deepblueprofessional.com/resources.html your tank is further down the list. Only panel that is Tempered is the bottom. This way you only end up with 1 90 elbow into the bulk head.

BigBearMD
03/23/2017, 08:32 AM
Sorry i should have been a little clearer. I meant for you to drill the back panel which is not tempered. You can check http://deepblueprofessional.com/resources.html your tank is further down the list. Only panel that is Tempered is the bottom. This way you only end up with 1 90 elbow into the bulk head.



I think I'm just going to go over the top with the return. Thanks for the resource though.


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BigBearMD
03/23/2017, 08:33 AM
Getting closer and closeting to plumbing time.

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BigBearMD
03/23/2017, 08:33 AM
I just need to pin in the panels. That space at the bottom will go away once it's secured.


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BigBearMD
03/24/2017, 06:54 AM
Panels secured. Starting the sump.

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Headed to Vegas for a bachelor party. Which works great because the rest of the plumbing comes on Tuesday anyways.


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BigBearMD
03/27/2017, 09:41 AM
Well ****. So much for that as a RO/DI tank.

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I just spent 30mins marking the other side for water levels.


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BigBearMD
03/28/2017, 02:28 PM
Starting the plumbing today.
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BigBearMD
03/28/2017, 02:29 PM
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BigBearMD
03/28/2017, 06:42 PM
I feel I should say that a lot of that plumbing is for a RO/DI station as well.


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BigBearMD
03/28/2017, 06:43 PM
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BigBearMD
03/28/2017, 09:58 PM
Alright. Well I think it's plumbed now. At least version 1.0 is glued up. Waiting until after work tomorrow for a water test. Any advice on the sump/plumbing?

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BigBearMD
03/30/2017, 06:03 AM
Water tested last night. I was too frustrated to take any pictures though.

One of the baffles in the sump broke almost immediately. I had a heck of a time with the overflow plumbing. I had the pipes cut long initially knowing I could cut them down which is what eventually had to happen. Finally I was able to tune it in though. Now if the main gets completely shut off then the water rises to just over the emergency which that goes full siphon and quickly drains the overflow box.

I'll post a pic when I get in the garage.


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neilp2006
03/30/2017, 07:13 AM
Well ****. So much for that as a RO/DI tank.

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That sucks- but the 20 gallon white brute containers work better. The rectangular ones. Very sturdy. I'm using 1 as my saltwater mixer (I'll only be making 15 gallons a time once a week).


I originally planned to use the same hdx 12 but it bowed to much and a seam cracked after about 4 days.

I'm using 2 of the square 28 gallon brutes for rodi storage. Food grade, no bowing even when filled with 25 gallons water.


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BigBearMD
03/30/2017, 07:34 AM
That sucks- but the 20 gallon white brute containers work better. The rectangular ones. Very sturdy. I'm using 1 as my saltwater mixer (I'll only be making 15 gallons a time once a week).


I originally planned to use the same hdx 12 but it bowed to much and a seam cracked after about 4 days.

I'm using 2 of the square 28 gallon brutes for rodi storage. Food grade, no bowing even when filled with 25 gallons water.


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Hm. I haven't seen a square 28gallon brute anywhere. Where did you pick it up at?

neilp2006
03/30/2017, 07:40 AM
Hm. I haven't seen a square 28gallon brute anywhere. Where did you pick it up at?



Got them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005KDBC7W/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_201_1/151-1511682-8448316?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N9QY1RQEQZHR4HH7E9YE&dpPl=1&dpID=91iWoitROJL

Look around in there though- I got these for $33 each, but most are going for 45-50.

Just s note- the 21 inch square measurement doesn't take the handles into account. So it actually ends up being 21.5 x 25 around the top . I had to cut a handle off one for them to go side by side on my 48 inch wide rack. I won't be handling it unless it's empty, so no big deal to lose a handle.

Also, the lids are a rip off- use a piece of plywood or something to cover.


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BigBearMD
03/31/2017, 02:54 PM
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Getting wet!!!


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BigBearMD
04/03/2017, 12:44 PM
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I know it's way too early for coral but I'm trying to save them from my biocube that is slowing crashing.


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Bassguy13
04/07/2017, 12:32 PM
Why is it crashing?

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BigBearMD
04/07/2017, 04:08 PM
Several reasons, I think.

I didn't follow Alk/Ca or pH like at all. I had a handful of corals that were looking good so I just kept up with water changes and assumed it would be enough. When I finally checked with a Hanna checker my alk around 5. My calcium was 300ish. I certainly don't think that was helping anything.

Also I was way, way over feeding the fish. Four rounds on the Eheim auto feeding a day for 6 fish. Algae is exploding despite all efforts.

I've pulled the coral out and put it in this tank. Pulled all the algae off I can and doing daily or every other day algae scrapings. Also running gfo in a BRS reactor.

This setup has an apex and I'm checking alk/ca daily.

I'm starting to see a little recovery in the zoas and I think my acan is starting to show a little life.

I'm tearing down the biocube this week and acid washing the rock and water cleaning the sand. We have a little home renovation coming up so I'll cure the rock in a brute can in the garage while that happens and then start the biocube over if I can't convince my wife that a 100g is the right next move.


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BigBearMD
04/21/2017, 10:23 AM
It's been a while since I posted.

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BigBearMD
04/29/2017, 12:52 PM
dang. I need a better camera, huh.