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MarsRover
03/21/2017, 05:59 PM
Hey everyone,

I have decided to start planning by big build. I figure i am about a year off from actually having this tank but since it's going to be a major project i need to start planning.

A little about me, I recently purchased a house, i am located in the San Gabriel Foothills, about 25 minutes outside of LA. I'm an engineer working for NASA. I did reefing and worked at an exotic fish and reptile shop all throughout high school. Then in college i stopped reefing and now that i have been settled in LA for 2.5 years with a steady job, it's time to get serious.

I presently have a ~50gal oceanic tank with MH & T5's. It has been going really well but space has always been an issue. I want to go to my forever tank. I'm anticipating having the new tank in question for at least 10 years.

The location i want to build it is in a wall between my living room, family room, and dining room. The idea is to have at least two sides visible. This is 100% a load bearing wall. I have not yet taken the walls off yet to see what madness lies beneath. Additionally, the floor is crappy hardwood floors ontop of a concrete slab, so at least i have that going for me. Downside is the concrete is likely not flat underneath (ugh... don't ask...) so that will need to be in the game plan as well.

As i said, BIG project.

So on to the fun stuff!

LOCATION: The wall presently behind my fish tank is the wall in question.

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Going to have to put some sort of architectural column on one or both ends of the fishtank unfortunately....

I'd have a cabinet for storage and sump under the tank (basically on the ground) and openable louver style doors on either side at the top that allows tank access and storage of lighting.

Ideal Display tank dimensions so far that i've measured are as follows: 60"x24"x36" (the 36 inches may be negotiable... depends on what is under the wall and how much access i'll be able to allow myself)

By my calculations, 60"x24"x46" ≈ 1872.84 lbs ≈ 224.42 gallons of H2O

Soon i will get some CAD models together to start virtually building.

Anyone know where i can find a tank of roughly these dimensions for a good price? Acrylic or Glass? If Glass what kind?


Thanks folks! Really looking forward to this adventure

runJE
03/21/2017, 09:32 PM
Good luck, I'll be following along

MarsRover
04/02/2017, 12:52 PM
Going with an Acrylic and Glass Exhibits 60"x30"x30" tank.

Will be having it drilled for bean animal style overflow with OUT an over flow box. Heres why: The over flow box options will take entirely too much realestate with this design. I am going for a centrally located style (no overflow attached to a wall) because walls will all be visible for display.

I have gone through several iterations of designs as well as speaking with Chris at A.G.E. I think I want to do at least one column of rock work, maybe two. Here are the options i've been playing with:

Cylindrical Overflow tanks (excluded now because they would be prohibitively expensive for A.G.E to make for me)

MarsRover
04/02/2017, 12:57 PM
Second options, the idea of Chris of A.G.E. was to just have the naked standpipes, no overflow box, and i would support the standpipes with rockwork built around/integrated into them with cement bonding it all together into my towers.

I decided i did want to go with the "on fifths" design. Where the center of the overflow was on an intersection of fifths of the length and width. I still hadn't decided on 1 vs 2 though.

So here was design #1 for standpipes.

I realized that the smallest circumscribing cylinder of this stack was still pretty large. and if i wanted two (one on each side, offset on opposite sides of the width-centerline as shown with the overflow boxes above) this would take a lot of space and building a tower around these would take up even more space! so i had to think of something else....

MarsRover
04/02/2017, 01:00 PM
So i came up with this design, technically the bulkheads of the standpipes are in the same locations as the straight-pipe design option (#1) but with version #2, the main airspace diameter of the standpipe system is smaller and i think that matters more. The top will have to, at the very least, have the rock work flare to encircle the standpipe tops, and the bottom of the standpipes likely will be covered mostly by sand and then the rockwork tower's "apron", but i think this buys me more space.

I still hadn't decided on one vs two of these "bulkhead clusters".

Going back and forth on having them just drill both locations of clusters but then i could always "cap" off one side if i decided when it got here and put the plumbing in that i didn't want both. Capping would involve just using ball valves on the underside of the bulkheads. Leaving in the flexibility.

MarsRover
04/02/2017, 01:10 PM
I have officially decided... unless someone tells me that i really should do something otherwise.

I am going to go with one bulkhead cluster. 3, beanAnimal style standpipes placed on the verticies of an equilateral triangle with the return riser pipe in the dead center of the pattern. All 1.5" pipeing.

I figure if i want a second tower i can built it purely out of rocks. I think this one overflow system should provide more than enough return volume capability for this system. Also, having the second cluster in place, not using and having it "capped" off from underneath with gate/ball valves is just asking for an accident to happen.

FINAL DECISION:

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-01%20at%205.29.35%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-01%20at%205.29.35%20PM.png.html)

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http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-01%20at%205.29.52%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-01%20at%205.29.52%20PM.png.html)


I still have the single standpipe cluster centered on "fifths" on one side. this will allow me the flexibility to do a single tower with cantilever/arch outcropping diagonally across the tank OR two towers on opposing fifths.

What do you all think?

MarsRover
04/02/2017, 01:13 PM
This is what i mean by "centered on fifths"


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-02%20at%2011.11.30%20AM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-02%20at%2011.11.30%20AM.png.html)


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MarsRover
04/03/2017, 11:31 PM
Drawings sent to AGE. Very excited!

And then I had to decide how tall the stand was going to be so AGE can make that. Pulled out the masking tape with the girlfriend and...well...see attached :)

Decided on 3' tall. Leaves the top of the tank roughly around my eye level while also leaving plenty of room to build in access through the top of the tank....so I can reach the 30" bottom :)

Very excited!

MarsRover
04/04/2017, 08:05 PM
I just set up my BRS 6 stage Universal Plus RO/DI unit outside.

ZERO WASTE! :bounce3: California reefer here :)

Still need to drill it to the wall but here it is! I have the RO output line coming into my sliding glass door going into a 35gal trash can (temporarily, until it is full, then I'll make saltwater, use, and move the can back outside).

Heres the best part:
My "waste" line is going to a rain barrel up on the upper yard so i can water my plants with the water and not feel bad!

Going to bolt it to the wall behind the tree branch tomorrow!


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2571.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2571.jpg.html)


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CrayolaViolence
04/05/2017, 03:32 AM
Great idea!

rum3002576
04/05/2017, 12:53 PM
clever idea there

VanJuKy
04/05/2017, 01:03 PM
Awesome idea. I like that idea so much I am going to install a Tee into my unit. In the winter it will go to drain, and when its warm it will go to my gardens.

Brunzy
04/05/2017, 04:58 PM
I love the barrel idea for saving any extra water! This tank looks like it's going to be quite an adventure!

How do you plan on hiding your return lines?

Darthv247
04/05/2017, 08:15 PM
could also use that water for an african chichlid tank ;)

MarsRover
04/05/2017, 11:22 PM
I love the barrel idea for saving any extra water! This tank looks like it's going to be quite an adventure!

How do you plan on hiding your return lines?


Like this!


Here is a really fast model i put together of rockwork in my system. I obviously won't be building the rock work up so much as i have shown here. This is just a representation of what i plan to do to hide the pipes and build an overflow!

I plan to use Marco rocks and mortar.

What do you all think?

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-05%20at%209.14.31%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-05%20at%209.14.31%20PM.png.html)

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MarsRover
04/06/2017, 03:30 PM
Do you guys think 1.5" PVC pipe is excessive??? it is really large and takes up tons of space.... Can i get away with 1" and not sacrifice good drainage??

thanks

MarsRover
04/06/2017, 04:36 PM
the only thing better than CAD is printing CAD 1:1 and putting it in the location. Looking at the 1.5" PVC pipe, its MASSIVE..... luckily i can make some changes to the holes still in the drawings for manufacture......

1.5" PVC as presently drawn:

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2583.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2583.jpg.html)


Do you think going down to 1" pipe on a 230 gal system is insufficient return volume capability?

MarsRover
04/06/2017, 11:49 PM
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2587.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2587.jpg.html)

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So I decided to reduce my pipes to 1". 1.5" was just crazy big and got too close to the walls for my liking. 3x1" drains (full siphon, open channel, emergency) and 1x1" return line (in the center).

I figure, full siphon 1" will do 600-900GPH. If i end up needing more drainage, i can employ that center 1" "return" line as a full siphon drain and i will run return line up through one of the structural columns i'm going to build on either side of the tank that will support the ceiling.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-06%20at%209.48.04%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-06%20at%209.48.04%20PM.png.html)

What do you all think?

How much rock do you all think i should buy from Marco? I'm thinking i'm going to go with dry rock this time around......

Darthv247
04/07/2017, 04:10 AM
I wouldn't run the return line across the middle of the tank. It will always be in your way and block the light. Better to route it around the edges. sides and front or back depending on the side your service access will be.
cool design though. should be nice

Darthv247
04/07/2017, 04:16 AM
think the main drainage line should still be 1.5 if u want to tune it down with the gate valve no? plenty of bean animal info out there. never done it personally.

MarsRover
04/07/2017, 09:38 AM
I wouldn't run the return line across the middle of the tank. It will always be in your way and block the light. Better to route it around the edges. sides and front or back depending on the side your service access will be.
cool design though. should be nice

Yeah, that was more representational than anything else. I haven't gotten to planning the return pipe routes yet. Access will be on BOTH sides! I plan to have access-louver panels on both sides of the top "canopy" wall thing i'm doing. Will have CAD hopefullly this weekend to show what i'm thinking with the construction of the house. Need to tear off the walls to see whats inside first!

think the main drainage line should still be 1.5 if u want to tune it down with the gate valve no? plenty of bean animal info out there. never done it personally.


Yeah i thought about it but it sounds like 1" should be sufficient for my needs and if need be i can adopt that return line as a drain and run my return up around the side of the tank.

IvanTheTerrible
04/08/2017, 03:23 PM
Yeah i thought about it but it sounds like 1" should be sufficient for my needs and if need be i can adopt that return line as a drain and run my return up around the side of the tank.

1" should be more than enough unless you are running a LOT of flow. I'm running 1" drains on my system and it is more than enough.

- Ivan

MarsRover
04/09/2017, 12:16 AM
GREEN: Open Channel Standpipe
ORANGE: Emergency Standpipe
PINK: QT outlets can be hooked up to tubeing when it's time to drain them

I finished a big pushup this morning to design the QT section. 2x5gal tanks here. Lots of valves to allow me to pipe the full siphon flow into QT tanks for refill and i can drain QT tanks via the pink lines.

Also added electrical boxes on both sides on louver-style panels to allow access to underneath where there is valve


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So on to what I did today.

I started taking the wall down and my worst fear was just below the surface of that hideous wood paneling.
A gas line is literally in the middle of the wall.....crap!


So I need to figure out who to call to relocate this ASAP because this is one thing I'm not knowledgable enough to do with confidence. Blowing up and setting Angeles national forest on fire isn't on my agenda for this build.

Gotta find a plumber. Any LA area reefers plumbers out there??

Also, one down side to being an engineer with some home building experience.....I take the walls off and discover shudderingly awful, dangerous structural and electrical stuff!! Yikes! At least I get to fix it now....lots of work to do before the tank arrives in a few weeks!!


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:bounce1:

Darthv247
04/09/2017, 09:21 AM
yay. demo day!

MarsRover
04/10/2017, 12:57 AM
yay. demo day!

ugh i hate demo!


I stopped there for the day. Had to do some work work and some school work today. Looking forward to this week. Once the city comes to pick up the trash i'm looking forward to taking that old chicken-wire and stucco out of here!

Pretty terrifying how they built this place.......:rolleye1:

MarsRover
04/14/2017, 07:05 PM
Demo day two yesterday after working A LOT this week. Demo Went pretty well! Wall is down on one side. Enough to know there are no more surprises I have to worry about. Also excavated mostly enough for the plumber to move the gas pipe! Got a quote, about $300. Is what it is. :rolleye1:

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Also, have my two first attempts at making rocks. Small one is 2:3:3 cement:perlite:sand the big one is 4:7:6.

Both with grey Portland cause that's all they have at my local shop. Will call cement company tomorrow.

The little one I made upside down in a bucket and then topped it off to turn it into a stand for fun. The big one is more realistic of what I will need in my tank. Both cast in sand.

Super easy to make! Easy to get decent quality looking rock. I was surprised.

Photos don't do it justice

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MarsRover
04/14/2017, 07:10 PM
alrighty folks, i designed a sump today. let me know what you think. i was finding it difficult to manage keeping the water level at the proper hight for the reef octopus elite 220int skimmer while also trying to keep the depth as deep as possible for the fuge section. Marked around the skimmer box (on a red stand to elevate it as much as i can with still being able to empty it without being stuck under the bottom of the tank) is the range which the skimmer needs the water level for operation.

it's not quite where i want it yet, but close....

big blue thing is a chiller

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Brunzy
04/14/2017, 08:04 PM
I personally have 3 inch and a half lines for return our exit lines on my 150gal tank.

I feel like your in lines are going to just get in the way with your build. I would personally drill your tank. I would just do 4 corners with baffles

MarsRover
04/16/2017, 12:58 AM
phew! busy day....

today, among other things, i think i finished the first cut of the tank CAD, I finished setting up my watering station, we moved my current tank out of the way and did demolition day 3!

Here are the color coded items:
1. blue: Full syphon standpipe/drain
2. green: open channel standpipe
3. orange: emergency standpipe
4. red: Skimmer stand
5. fuchsia: skimmer footprint extended the height of the skimmer. Pink band in the middle is the required operating water level
6. Grey: Ecotech marine vectra M1 envelope plus return pipes and manifold
7. Turquoise: chiller and fans to ensure there is enough flow in the cabinet area
8. 12 outlets hooked up to and hidden behind raisable louver style light switch panel
9. Orange box: 10 gallon ATO and support structure. Elevated above everything so it will be a passive system with a float valve etc.. etc.. the structure holding it up is the sump tank and additional structure as you can see. under the structure is open for storage of chemicals plenty of room for reactors if i want to grow in to that



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http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2645.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2645.jpg.html)


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2646.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2646.jpg.html)

still gotta pull that knotty pine off the wall but that'll take all of ten minutes. Got the hard part done: drywall and fracking popcorn ceiling.

what do you all think???!!?

Darthv247
04/16/2017, 03:57 AM
plan looks solid. no way to move the chiller away from the tank? I have a feeling it will only be chilling its own added heat in the stand.

MarsRover
04/16/2017, 09:47 AM
plan looks solid. no way to move the chiller away from the tank? I have a feeling it will only be chilling its own added heat in the stand.

unfortunately not...unless i move it like 30feet away and route the piping through the attic crawlspace which will completely defeat the purpose.

i'll probably have to insulate the lines going to/from the chiller and maybe insulate the partition between it and the electrical and sump sections. Easy peasy.

also, i've been toying with the idea of having a squirrel cage fan pumping out the roof and drawing air up through the structural boxed column which will be open to the chiller box area. I think i'll build to suit that end, but the installation of the squirrel cage fan can be added later.

FernandesReef
04/16/2017, 01:29 PM
Looking great, some good planning and design work going into this tank.


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MarsRover
04/21/2017, 01:52 PM
thanks folks!

Talked to A.G.E sales rep yesterday and he's thinking likely mid may they will be delivering.

This weekend i am planning to tackle the structural portion of the wall.

also picking up some white portland this afternoon after work to start working on making rocks

MarsRover
04/25/2017, 10:29 AM
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2703.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2703.jpg.html)

It's officially real!

Got a message from A.G.E. this morning with this picture. Sounds like they're 3 weeks away from knocking on my door!

This past weekend I did the structural work in the house. Need to finish cleaning up the last bit before I can take down the dust tenting. Stay tuned

MarsRover
04/29/2017, 10:48 AM
So, I finished the demolition and structural support yesterday! Good start to an odd day.... went to petsmart and then the hardware store before going to the grocery. Getting out of the car, i must have ****ed off a bee because it aggressively stung me. I have been stung by bee's hundreds of times, certainly many times in a single day on multiple occasions in the past (used to be a bee keeper) and never had a bad reaction. About 20minutes later i started getting intensely ichy all over my body and then my chest started to tighten. Went to the ER after quickly popping some Diphenhydramine. Ended up being okay. Sounds like the diphenhydramine really helped keeping it from getting bad! Got a script for an epi-pen incase this episode is an indication of a more severe reaction next time ;)

Before encountering grumpy bee, I stopped at my local petsmart.... First of all, no one sells the standard 50gallon size (37x19x20) anymore......which is what my sump CAD is of..... PetCO has dollar a gallon sale right now (ends today) but only for 20, 40B, and 55. 55 is too long for my application and very tall and skinny. I then went to my local petSMART to see what they had. They had a 50 gallon, but it was longer/taller/thiner than what the standard size is.

After spending some time looking at the options, i concluded that the 50 gallon petSMART tank wouldn't fit under my tank, too long and the height would make it impossible to get my hand in there for the skimmer. Looking at the dimensions, a 40Breeder was roughly the size of a 50 except shorter (36.1875 X 18.25 X 16.9375) I checked my CAD and looks like it will work for me. The water level in the sump will be higher relative to the top of the sump tank in a 40breeder, but because of the under-tank size restrictions, and the dimensions of the skimmer and required operation water level, i won't loose much water volume by going with a 40breeder for the sump and i gain some space under the tank.

heres a quick update of the CAD with a 40Breeder sump (highlighted in orange) overlayed on the original 50gal sump (grey):

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-29%20at%208.08.43%20AM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-29%20at%208.08.43%20AM.png.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-29%20at%208.09.10%20AM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-29%20at%208.09.10%20AM.png.html)


As you can see, the waterline will still remain at the same location but i lose about 1" on the length and 1" on the width. Not bad. So i asked PetSMART if they'd be willing to match PetCo's 1$/gallon and my store said sure!

So i saved a trip to PetCo and got the deal right down the street from me. Never hurts to ask!

Now on to the fun stuff! Here is the wall at this time, Almost ready to accept a fish tank:

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2718.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2718.jpg.html)

Next up is moving the gas line and leveling the floor! I have a neighbor who is a plumber. He is supposed to come by sometime this morning to let me know what it will cost me for him to do the gas pipe.

Also hoping to make rocks out of the white portland i got a week ago. Then i need to figure out the effects of using a buffer like superbuffer on the water while aqua "Kuring" the rocks to leech out the high pH.....thoughts?

MarsRover
04/29/2017, 01:10 PM
Just spoke to my plumbing neighbor and he said its going to be $286 parts and labor and he'll do it either monday or tuesday!

i think this is going to work!

Darthv247
04/30/2017, 03:18 AM
nice! removing that wall really opened up the house too. gonna be a great addition.

MarsRover
04/30/2017, 09:37 AM
Thanks @Darthv247 we were really surprised and pleased at how much it opened things up!

Turns out my plumbing neighbor used to be a nano-reefer! He asked me if i'm willing to sell/trade my current tank when my new one is up and running. Looks like the epidemic is growing on this street!

yesterday i made white rocks...more like a volcano...around the base of the standpipes. i tried to make it more like a shell'd cone rather than a solid cone. so i laid a volcano of sand and then coated it in the 4:7:6 portland:perlite:sand mix with the standpipes in the center.

Hope it turns out!

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2728.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2728.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2729.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2729.jpg.html)

MarsRover
05/08/2017, 10:14 PM
Well I think the base of the standpipe tower turned out....okay.... I have to keep reminding myself that it is only a base structure, like base rock. Going to let it keep baking until tomorrow when I can get more sand after my exam and pile more concrete on top. I'll have to seal the bottom, probably with an acrylic sheet and some silicone just to prevent detritus from accumulating somewhere unreachable.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2783.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2783.jpg.html)


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2778.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2778.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2782.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2782.jpg.html)


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2776.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2776.jpg.html)

Gas pipe moved last week, i cast the concrete this past weekend!

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2821-1.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2821-1.jpg.html)


all ready to accept the tank!


also today i got the pipe coupler i'm going to use for the overflow! I think this will be big enough...no?!?!!!

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2823.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2823.jpg.html)

callsign4223
05/09/2017, 10:06 AM
That is coming along nicely. I really like your triple pipe setup though. Very innovative.

MarsRover
05/09/2017, 06:50 PM
That is coming along nicely. I really like your triple pipe setup though. Very innovative.

Thank you callsign!

Got a message from AGE today. Tank will be delivered on the 25th!!!

gilweb
05/12/2017, 11:28 AM
Maybe I missed it somewhere but what are you planing on using for flow? It appears your return how you have the plumbing laid out.

MarsRover
05/14/2017, 10:17 PM
Maybe I missed it somewhere but what are you planing on using for flow? It appears your return how you have the plumbing laid out.

Haven't gotten there yet. I expect i will have to get some hydors in the tank.

I also have 2 SCWDs on order for those return pipes you see too. Got the 1" versions. Hoping they are a little more robust than the 3/4" that everyone has had failures with. If it fails, i'm stoked about the opportunity to hack it. Have plenty of 3D printers at my disposal....might try and make my own too.

The location of the SCWDs would be where it's indicated in the new CAD below.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.13.46%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.13.46%20PM.png.html)


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.11.56%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.11.56%20PM.png.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.11.39%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%208.11.39%20PM.png.html)



http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%2012.47.30%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%2012.47.30%20PM.png.html)


http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%2012.46.32%20PM.png (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-14%20at%2012.46.32%20PM.png.html)

MarsRover
05/25/2017, 05:11 PM
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2977-1.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2977-1.jpg.html)

Steep driveway made just using the dolly a chore!
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2980.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2980.jpg.html)

Close up of the leveling feet: http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2986.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2986.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3003.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3003.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3004.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3004.jpg.html)

Close ups of construction:

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3012.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3012.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3010.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3010.jpg.html)

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3011.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3011.jpg.html)

Final:
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3005.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3005.jpg.html)

callsign4223
05/26/2017, 07:45 AM
Where' the tank!

MarsRover
05/26/2017, 12:41 PM
whoops!

sorry, i guess with having to upload using photobucket caused me to miss some photos!

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_3009-1.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_3009-1.jpg.html)

saf1
05/27/2017, 02:40 PM
http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/NasiocGreenlantern/IMG_2646.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/NasiocGreenlantern/media/IMG_2646.jpg.html)

still gotta pull that knotty pine off the wall but that'll take all of ten minutes. Got the hard part done: drywall and fracking popcorn ceiling.

what do you all think???!!?

I like the barn / sliding door. Did you make that yourself or purchase?

Other than that - nice tank and work. Good job.

Edit: I forgot to ask is that a computer server lift/dolly? If so, how did that work if you don't mind me asking. I've been looking at the possibility of renting one to move my 240 into the house after a leak and water check.