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BonesCJ
05/03/2017, 11:29 PM
My 90 has been through alot, first it was a reef, then a cichlid tank, it sat in the garage dry for 6 months and finally its being setup once again as a macro tank. I've done many planted tanks over the years so i love the look of lots of greens and reds filling a system, and no dirty corals are gonna get their polyps anywhere near it!

Tanks been running now for about two months and has cycled well, here are the specs so far...

50 lbs marco rock
10 lbs LR
2 koralia 750/850's
Eheim 1250 return
Seafloor reef grade sand, about 2.5 inches deep
20 long sump
No skimmer
40i internal filter in sump for mechanical filtration

Lighting is currently a marineland advanced led 48 inch strip leftover from when it was a lowlight planted/cichlid tank, probably gonna get a Current marine Pro to replace it.

Here it is a month in
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36091_zpsavjhp2w2.jpg

Here are some more current shots, i had to turn the light on so most of the fish are asleep

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_3665_zpsa8oej5vf.jpg

The rockpile

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_3666_zpswp2hhj9y.jpg

A piece of what i belive is c. Taxifola, growing even under my current pitiful light. My local fish store gave it to me for free when it came in with a seahorse shipment.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_3667_zpsz9xtev0t.jpg

The overflow, the whole back of the tank used to be foamed over but like this current look better.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_3668_zpsuzcwtkfh.jpg

BonesCJ
05/03/2017, 11:33 PM
Oh i forgot the critter list

Current occupants

Perc clown
2 red firefish
Royal gramma
Sw molly (f)

Small clean up crew

Planned additions include

Pj cardinals x3
Pearly jawfish
Wrasse or two
Several clown gobies
And after a long while a mandarin
Plus at least one cleaner shrimp

Michael Hoaster
05/04/2017, 01:55 PM
Looking good so far! Nice job on the overflow. The tall rock just left of it looks out of place to me. It almost looks like it's hiding something.

That reddish tint is cyano bacteria (I think), which can take over quickly, especially in low light, with no competition for nutrients. Get a light and plants asap!

Great pics! Good luck!

BonesCJ
05/04/2017, 10:32 PM
That is a big ol piece of petrified wood, it belonged to my wifes dad and has been an aquarium piece for decades. Its curved behind and is a great hiding spot for fish.

Michael Hoaster
05/04/2017, 10:56 PM
D'oh, an aquarium, family heirloom! Sorry. That's cool! I'm sure it'll look great with the plants. And fish need hiding spots!

BonesCJ
05/05/2017, 08:40 AM
Can anyone help me ID that algae piece I have in the pictures? I thought it was taxifolia but with as many restrictions as I am finding on shipping it I wonder if its mexicana?

BonesCJ
05/16/2017, 09:48 AM
Got two Viparspectra 165's coming on the 17th, once I get those setup I'll be ordering the live sand pack from GCE.

http://www.viparspectra.com/goods.php?id=62

Chasmodes
05/16/2017, 12:30 PM
Nice looking light fixture!

Michael Hoaster
05/16/2017, 01:31 PM
Sweet! Can't wait to see it set up!

BonesCJ
05/18/2017, 07:38 AM
Got my new lights yesterday and stayed up to the wee hours getting them installed (new toys cannot wait right!)


Decided to go with eyehooks to mount the lights, I pinched the opening so the cables cannot easily slip out and mounted them in opposite directions

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36851_zpskykn7uza.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36861_zpsgidun1p5.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36871_zpst9hvzoqn.jpg

I currently have the White's at 50% and the blues at 25%, trying for that more brightly lit lagoon look vs deeper water.


Here is my one current macro, its grown quite a bit under my old freshwater lights, interested to see how it does under proper ones now

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36731_zpsazbebcpv.jpg

Michael Hoaster
05/18/2017, 08:01 AM
Nice setup! Keep us posted!

BonesCJ
05/24/2017, 07:36 AM
LFS got some more saltwater mollies in, bringing my total up to 4
decided to take some fish shots.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36951_zpsfcfucsr9.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36961_zpseieehgul.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36971_zpsvcbzrubm.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_36991_zpsd08vcl6b.jpg

Michael Hoaster
05/24/2017, 07:59 AM
Cool fish, and good pics! What's next? Macros?

BonesCJ
05/24/2017, 08:20 AM
Next is the critter/macro pack from GCE.com, just gotta wait a little. The one caulerpa I
have in there is growing nicely though.

BonesCJ
05/24/2017, 08:44 AM
I also brought the Lights up to 70% White / 40% blue, I like the whiter look as it reminds me more of a shallow lagoon and the one macro has started growing much better.

Michael Hoaster
05/24/2017, 08:49 AM
Right on. It's combining along nicely. GCE's fuge pack is the shizle.

BonesCJ
05/24/2017, 01:46 PM
I emailed them today to clarify that I don't need the chaeto and once I hear back I will probably place the order.

BonesCJ
05/28/2017, 10:52 PM
Got a response from GCE, gonna swap out the chaeto for a variety pack of reds. As long as everything goes smoothly i'll get my fuge pack in two weeks. Also my one caulerpa is going gangbusters with the new lights! Growth is much darker, faster and more compact, leggy plants always means insufficient light as they "reach" for it.

Michael Hoaster
05/28/2017, 11:34 PM
Awesome news! Glad to hear the lights are working for you. I love their fuge pack. Their live sand is some of the best I've come across.

BonesCJ
05/30/2017, 12:27 PM
Placed my order on Monday, not sure if it will ship this week or next. Question, I am used to using Superglue to mount coral frags, what is the best way to place macro's? For example my caulerpa I just held down with a rock till it started growing its holdfasts into the sand.

Michael Hoaster
05/30/2017, 02:35 PM
I've tried super glue. The plants just broke off. Holding down with a rock or sandwiching them between rocks works. With your fake wall section, you can push pin them into that. Rubber bands work too, but they aren't pretty. Let us know if you come up with anything better!

BonesCJ
06/01/2017, 11:20 PM
I got my order from GCE and like other orders i've gotten and ones that I have seen others receive everything was packaged well and no leaks.

And now for the show.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37221_zpskseahxln.jpg

The caulerpa Pack did not have much beyond feather caulerpa and I'm pretty happy with the piece I already have going in my system, it did however also contain a fuzzy green macro that I kept, the rest I discarded.
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37231_zps4e1dsqzl.jpg

The multipack of reds on the other hand had LOTS of variety and plenty of them, they ALL went in :-).
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37241_zpsgtdrp8hy.jpg

Cannot wait to see what critters come from this.
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37261_zpsaw9mclsc.jpg

Here are shots after I placed everything in the system, some I wedged in cracks, some I attached to LR pieces with thin black zipties and some I just left to float and figure out where it wants to go. Keep your eyes open and you may be able to find the Pearly Jawfish I got today as well.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37271_zpsbxlpglo8.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37281_zpspx0fa6xf.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37291_zps0gck3blj.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37311_zpsjwlwg6ay.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_37321_zps407b3pov.jpg

All the fish seem REALLY happy with the new additions, they began immediately exploring and investigating the new decor.

Michael Hoaster
06/01/2017, 11:45 PM
Looks great! Did you add the live sand?

BonesCJ
06/02/2017, 07:14 AM
Yep, after I took the pics since I knew it would cloud the water

BonesCJ
06/02/2017, 10:28 AM
The caulerpa I have in several shots, does that look like a variety of grape caulerpa to anyone? When I brought it home from the store it only had two rows of fronds with rounded tips but since adding proper lighting the new growth is much denser. Almost looks like Caulerpa peltata.

BonesCJ
06/07/2017, 10:23 AM
System is chugging along, lost a few fish and about half of the red algae's from the GCE pack. On the other hand several are holding fast and this cool macro I got from GCE (I think its Chlorodesmis) is growing very well. Going to sit back and see what happens over the next couple weeks, my wife is dying to toss some zoa's in there so I may let her pick some out.

BonesCJ
06/22/2017, 10:48 AM
going through a bit of a set back right now, a massive diatom or Dino bloom is underway, I've lost all fish except for 2 remaining molly's. This brown scunge is growing on everything! Rocks, sand and plants, I am trying not to jump the gun as I have dealt with this kind of thing before in prior systems and have always been able to bring it back in check.

Here are the steps I'm working on now
1. Feeding the fish no more than a quarter cube of food every other day
2. cut lighting intensity back to 40% on both whites and blues
3. every other day I siphon out as much of the brown junk as I can, including the sandbed, the sand is then rinsed clean and added back in.
4. Added some Phosphate/Silicate remover, only enough for a 60 gallon tank, not enough to bring it down to 0 but enough to make a difference
5. My Macros are still growing, including the new caulerpa I added (Prolifora and sertulariodes) along with the racemosa I already had. Several varieties of red are still holding on.

I am hoping that by reducing feeding, manually removing as much of the brown sludge as possible and encouraging the macro's I can swing the tide in their favor.

One thing I have not been able to do is determine EXACTLY what I am dealing with, Its brown and blows off rocks pretty easily so i suspect Diatoms but am not sure. Hoping its not Dino's as those are reportedly much harder to get rid of.

Send some good thoughts my way cause I am going to get through this!

BonesCJ
06/22/2017, 11:02 AM
Here is the tank yesterday after siphoning the sand, you can still see some brown patches.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_38181_zpshfnbhdcg.jpg

My "Filth and Sand catcher", I built it using 3/4 PVC pipe, it sits over my 20 gallon trash can I use for saltwater and that's a sheet of micron filter I put in place. I suck out the stuff, it gets caught in the filter, I pump the clean water back into the tank then scrub the sand of all yuck and put it back in.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p477/boneskain/IMG_38191_zpsfhwnh7o0.jpg

Michael Hoaster
06/22/2017, 06:17 PM
Hang in there and keep removing what you can. Make sure your macros aren't coated so they can compete with whatever it is. Got a nitrogen source like stump remover?

BonesCJ
06/23/2017, 10:47 AM
My latest nitrate readings still showed good numbers so at this point I don't think I have enough Biomass to impact it. The area's i siphoned the other night definitely show reduced amounts of new growth so I think I am on the right track so far.

BonesCJ
06/26/2017, 08:52 AM
Things are going well so far, regrowth of brown "Scunge", my term since I am still not sure what it is, is definitely decreasing.

Funny side story, I cut back feeding of my two mollies to a quarter cube every 3 days and was trying to figure out why they were so fat still?!? It hit me as they were pulling on my arm hairs while doing a siphoning that they have been scarfing all the micro algae in the system like they are supposed to! So fat happy fish and reduced algae? sounds like a winner to me.

MGP
06/26/2017, 05:06 PM
I was/am going through the same brown sludge algae nuesence. Mine are definitely Dino, I added a UV sterilizer and it helped cut back the outbreak. Dino's swim through the water column so it really helps to sterilize them. My macro started to take off once the Dino's receded, likely because nutrients were now available for growth.

BonesCJ
06/27/2017, 08:54 AM
Yeah, I've decided to go the Hydrogen Peroxide route as well, day one was last night so gonna see how it goes.

BonesCJ
07/18/2017, 11:12 AM
Update:

Very very good progress, I treated the tank with 7 days of hydrogen peroxide (10 ml's a day) for 7 days, the last three days the tank in complete blackout(wrapped in trash bags). A couple days after that I could see brown growing again on the bottom but no stringy snot bubbles, left for a week vacation and when I came back the sand was clean the macros where growing and all sorts of other growth was occurring! I have fuzz and coraline and even some GHA on one of my powerheads (where the mollies cannot get to it) funny to be excited to see GHA.

A question, has anyone kept lawnmower blennies in the macro tanks to help with micro algae control?

Michael Hoaster
07/19/2017, 01:27 PM
I haven't kept a lawnmower blenny in my tank, but I was considering its caribbean alternative, the red lip blenny. It should work fine.

BonesCJ
07/21/2017, 02:34 PM
I got a pair of firefish and a starry blenny the other day, everyone is settling in nicely and the blenny is already helping himself to the gha growing. The funny part is the GHA is growing on the rocks and foam and not on any of my macro's, so as far as I am concerned its welcome to grow all it wants.

BonesCJ
08/10/2017, 08:00 AM
Update:

The system seems to be settling in, All the new fish are alive and happy and the tank is starting to look less like a brand new system. The Red macro's are growing well and after starting to add Iron/Mag supplement their colors are better. My Caulerpa species have started to slow down and get some GHA growing on them, suspecting a nutrient deficiency I did some testing and found Nitrates at 0 and Phosphates at .25. This explains the GHA as it can grow on phosphates alone but the macro's need both to grow properly. Picked up some of the spectracide stump remover and made up a solution of 1 1/3 tablespoons powder to 12 oz RODI and have started dosing 12.5 ML's a day to see if I can bring my nitrate levels up.

I want to post pics but after Photobuckets policy change I have yet to settle on a new good way to post the pics.

Edit: Also got a free bag of what my LFS calls "Gumbo" its a mix of locally cultured pods of different kinds, been great to start seeding my pod population.

Michael Hoaster
08/10/2017, 08:51 AM
Click the "MY RC" button at the top of the page. On the left there is "Photos and Albums" link. Start an album and upload photos. Open another window on your thread. Copy the "BB code" for each pic you want to post, and paste them into your thread. Limit your pics to 600 pixels wide at 72dpi or they won't be viewable to most people. Hope this helps!

JZinCO
08/10/2017, 09:41 AM
Shutterfly or flikr too

BonesCJ
08/11/2017, 08:15 AM
Playing around with pictures uploaded to RC, I figured if the pictures are for a RC thread then where better to store them!

Full Tank Shot
http://reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78373

Shot down the length of the tank
http://reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78374

All the live rock in my system is in this one mound
http://reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78375

Left side of the tank
http://reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78376

Kolkri
08/11/2017, 12:36 PM
Nice do you do a lot of trimming or just let it do its own thing?

BonesCJ
08/11/2017, 01:50 PM
So far no trimming, I only got things to get a good foothold a couple weeks ago. Macro's were growing real fast then stopped and receded, figured out with recent testing that my Nitrate levels were 0 or at least undetectable so I started Potassium Nitrate dosing on the 9th. Got to wait a little to see how things turn out.

BonesCJ
08/11/2017, 01:51 PM
However, I do plan to let the tank do its own thing, I will trim to keep things in balance, beyond that I let em grow where they want.

Michael Hoaster
08/11/2017, 03:23 PM
First off, great job with the pics! The tank looks great, especially the C. prolifera. The fact that your macros stripped your tank of nutrients means they are chugging along nicely. It won't be long before you figure out the dosing schedule to keep them happy. Just keep in mind that the bigger their biomass gets, the more they need. Then when you get to the point of needing to prune, and the biomass stabilizes, you can stabilize what you dose as well.

Nice work! It looks so cool!

BonesCJ
08/15/2017, 09:21 AM
Thanks much for the compliments Michael!, its like Picasso telling a preschooler they are doing a good job painting :thumbsup:

Been dosing daily and yesterday I finally saw something other than 0 on my test kit, just using API Nitrate test so its not as accurate as a probe but the color was at least trending towards the 5 PPM color, gonna probably cut back now to 10 ml's a day and see if I can keep it there. The hair algae has definitely started to slow down and I am seeing more white tips on my Caulerpas.

A side question, the Gracilliia (Sp?) on the left hand side sometimes looks fuzzy, not GHA, the fuzz is all the same length. Has anyone ever seen that? Its growing nicely.

Michael Hoaster
08/15/2017, 02:24 PM
You're quite welcome! And deserving! I think it's a good idea for all of us to cheer each other's successes. Thank you for your compliment too, though I feel less like Picasso and more like some guy who couldn't hack it with a reef tank…

BonesCJ
09/01/2017, 12:32 AM
Added a blue yellowtail damsel and a cleaner shrimp last week and they have settled in well, tank almost looks crawling with stuff and is looking very natural, quite the opposite of a neat and orderly SPS tank! I don't even scrape the back glass ��

Michael Hoaster
09/27/2017, 10:18 PM
Whazzappnin?

BonesCJ
10/05/2017, 01:43 PM
Sorry, been kinda running on autopilot, getting all sorts of strange things growing, been too lazy about dosing so some cyano has started growing. Hoping to do a big cleaning today. Did score a PJ cardinal the other day, its funny my red macro's are growing better than my caulerpa

BonesCJ
11/15/2017, 08:52 AM
Harvested about a quart ziploc's worth of the red gracilaria from the left hand side of the tank last night, the coolest thing is its actually established some hold fasts to the foam rockwork and the piece of petrified wood. Tank critters all seem to be fat and happy, its been really hard to get my c. prolifora to really take off (ironic I know). The Gracilaria has been out competing it, so I am hoping by removing a bunch the rest of the macro's will have a better chance.

Still have this really weird yellow snot like stuff that grows in random areas, it blows right off with a turkey baster or toothbrush and manually removing it seems to help but its just a little irritating. Not really hurting anything though.

Subsea
11/15/2017, 12:46 PM
Nice macro display. I see that you have two Caulerpa species with a Feather & Prolifera.

I’d you allow Prolifera holdfast on your live rock, you will never see that rock again. It will be nothing but waving Prolifera. Considering that you will have a healthy sandbed of Prolifera, you will have little contrast in texture and color in your tank. Is this a display tank or display refugium or an experiment? If you like the looks of Oar Grass, Prolifera is a perfect choice.

BonesCJ
11/15/2017, 01:33 PM
Its a dedicated Macro tank, I want to see colors and movement and fat and healthy fish and Macro's! Beyond that I am kinda trying to let it just do its thing.

Subsea
11/15/2017, 04:29 PM
As I said, Prolifera got its name for a reason. It is easy to thin out in the sand-bed. Your centerpiece rock with differrent coral colors will be green with Prolifera. If you want bright colors of macro only, then get fiery red Dragons Tongue contrasting your emerald green Caulerpa Prolifera.

Top tank for green has GSP, Green Sinularia and a beautiful Feather Caulerpa, Paspoides.
Reds are supplied by Red Grapes and Dragons Tongue.

Bottom tank is a tumble culture of Dragons Tongue.
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/3551/dragons-tongue-algae?pcatid=3551&c=497+3752+3551

BonesCJ
11/16/2017, 11:08 AM
Added a Royal Gramma, Blue green Chromis and a GBTA yesterday, will get pictures once everyone settles in... and I clean the glass.

BonesCJ
11/20/2017, 09:53 AM
Here are some Updated Pics

This stuff has been a puzzler for me, its this weird yellow snotish type stuff that grows on rock, foam wall and ever some macros. It blows off easily with a turkey baster and I really have not seen anyone eat it (hermits or snails), does anyone have a clue what it is? you'll see it in several of these pictures.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78865

Good ol Full tank shot, sorry about the window in the background, took this during the day.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78867

Shaving Brush plant, these guys grown well in my system, new ones keep popping up out of the sand.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78864

Green BTA I got earlier in the week.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78866

This Gracilaria is a Beast!, this picture was taken after I removed a third of it from the system, I believe its actually out competing my C. Prolifora.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=11532&pictureid=78868


The big challenge lately has been keeping that Gracilaria from out competing everyone else, I want a tank with some variety and right now its threatening to turn into a single species system. I managed to bring my Nitrates up to 5-10 PPM with aggressive dosing and I upped my lighting (running two viparspectra 165's) from 50% blue/60% white to 70% blue/80% white thinking the Caulerpa might benefit from it.

As always thoughts, idle ramblings and critiques are welcome!

Michael Hoaster
11/20/2017, 10:37 AM
Yay pics! Looks good.

I'm not familiar with your 'snot' stuff. It looks a little like diatoms with that color. Could be bacterial. I think the trick is to export it somehow. Try blowing it into a net. Netting out clumps of diatoms seems to be helping me get rid of it.

Isn't that the the heavier, 'tree' grasilaria? Congrats on keeping it alive, and so happy you have to prune it! I've tried that plant twice, without success.

I'm having the same issue with my grasilaria trying to take over the tank. I'm keeping it as a close-cropped turf lately, and I export a lot every week.

How does the new royal gramma get along with your fire fish? I ask because I'm considering a caribbean dart fish.

BonesCJ
11/20/2017, 10:58 AM
The Gramma and firefish get along just fine, the blue yellow tail and the gramma spar a little bit but its all flashing and posture, everyone really seems to be getting along nicely. I'll admit I have been siphoning out the snot stuff when I do water changes, or I'll run my hang on physical filter for 24 hours and blow a whole bunch of it into the water column, it is decreasing, just taking time.

BonesCJ
11/27/2017, 01:27 PM
That Graciliria is definitely robust! I have tissue scissors from propping corals and it still took some effort to cut through, it will sink on its own. Also the Gramma passed away, I have had poor luck with them, the last 3 have all died. I keep pondering a aptasia eating file fish, I have no aptasia, its just a cool looking fish, especially if I get some more caulerpa growing.

Michael Hoaster
11/27/2017, 01:49 PM
I wonder why you have bad luck with grammas. No judging, I've killed more fish than anyone! I had one of those file fish and loved it. I would have loved to keep several in my tank permanently, but they go after several other critters that I consider very important.

Having no aiptasia is something to brag about!

redlobstor
11/28/2017, 07:55 AM
I wonder if the lack of growth has something to do with the type of lighting being used. I tried a while back ago to do a macro tank with 165w ebay led light. I couldn't get any macros to grow and my nitrates/phosphates were not 0. This light grew corals when I gave up on the macros. I'm looking to start up another macro with t5 lighting so feel free to send some red graciliara this way, LOL. Tank looks nice hope everything starts filling in for you.

BonesCJ
11/28/2017, 10:14 AM
I can definitely say the light grow's Macro's, however now that I have cranked it up in terms of intensity I am getting better growth from my greens, reds tend to be able to adjust to a greater range of light. Its funny but that tends to apply to FW plants as well, the brighter green the plant the more intense the light needs to be. Its crazy how well my shaving brush plants are doing, I just found one growing out of LR! not sure if it wormed its way up through the LR from the sand underneath or what.

Chasmodes
11/28/2017, 03:16 PM
Sorry to hear about the gramma. The tank looks good though. Interesting about the yellow slimy stuff. I'm curious what it is too.

BonesCJ
12/06/2017, 09:09 AM
Update: Lost the GBTA, he disappeared into the rockwork for about a week and a half and I found him laying on the sand last night, looks like it may have been a foot injury. Other than that tank is going nicely, the Caulerpa's have shown a dramatic improvement since upping the light intensity and all the little bits and pieces have really started to flourish. The tree like Gracilaria is still growing and what I believe is Hayi has shown improvement as well.


I wonder what you guys think of my current fish load.
1 O. Clown
1 Firefish
1 molly
1 starry blenny
1 blue yellowtail damsel
1 blue green chromis
1 pajama cardinal

in a really open 90 macro setup this just feels really..... EMPTY!
I miss seeing lots of fish swimming around, I do plan to up the mollies to at least 6, they do good work keeping everything clean.

Am I off the mark? Does this feel like a really light load of fish?

Michael Hoaster
12/06/2017, 09:37 AM
Planted tanks like lots of fish. Go nuts!

I see several fish on your list that could be in schools: fire fish, blue green chromis and the pajama cardinal. You could also add another clown and get some bow chicka bow wow action…

BonesCJ
12/06/2017, 10:56 AM
Yeah the cardinals and chromis are high on the Add to List, not sure on the clowns, I'm trying to keep the tank really low key and frisky clowns can get mean as well.

Michael Hoaster
12/06/2017, 12:04 PM
I agree on the clowns. I forget who posted it, but they said they can't put their hand in the tank without getting bitten! I like low key too. I want to RELAX when I look at my tank, not worry about aggression. That yellow tail damsel may cause trouble too.

In general, more fish means less dosing and less work to keep your plants happy.

redlobstor
12/06/2017, 12:19 PM
Update: Lost the GBTA, he disappeared into the rockwork for about a week and a half and I found him laying on the sand last night, looks like it may have been a foot injury. Other than that tank is going nicely, the Caulerpa's have shown a dramatic improvement since upping the light intensity and all the little bits and pieces have really started to flourish. The tree like Gracilaria is still growing and what I believe is Hayi has shown improvement as well.


I wonder what you guys think of my current fish load.
1 O. Clown
1 Firefish
1 molly
1 starry blenny
1 blue yellowtail damsel
1 blue green chromis
1 pajama cardinal

in a really open 90 macro setup this just feels really..... EMPTY!
I miss seeing lots of fish swimming around, I do plan to up the mollies to at least 6, they do good work keeping everything clean.

Am I off the mark? Does this feel like a really light load of fish?Sorry about the GBTA. If interested in keeping anemone try the rock flowers and from what I've been reading they can naturally be found with seagrass. I have 7 and they are really cool. For a macro tank I don't think you have a high bioload and could use some more fish.

I like to keep fish in pairs. Be careful with more chromis as I have heard often that you end up with just 1.

Firefish do better in pairs or schools of 7 or more.

Pj cardinals do well in groups.

You may have to do something with damsel as they can be aggressive.

If you want something different that will be good for macros and compatible with your fish try a white ribbon eel(Pseudechidna brummeri.) This is not a color variant of the difficult black and blue ribbon eel(Rhinomuraena quaesita). The white ribbon eel is hardy, easy to train on frozen, and has small mouth so won't eat your fish. They also are good as a pair. Only downside is food needs to be small chunks and I'm not sure how they are with shrimp.

HTH Jason

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redlobstor
12/06/2017, 12:23 PM
I can definitely say the light grow's Macro's, however now that I have cranked it up in terms of intensity I am getting better growth from my greens, reds tend to be able to adjust to a greater range of light. Its funny but that tends to apply to FW plants as well, the brighter green the plant the more intense the light needs to be. Its crazy how well my shaving brush plants are doing, I just found one growing out of LR! not sure if it wormed its way up through the LR from the sand underneath or what.Thanks for the info. Maybe I will pull mine back out and try again. I never ran the whites above 50% and the blues above 75%. Maybe I need to push the whites up closer to 100%.

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BonesCJ
12/06/2017, 01:21 PM
Thanks guys! All good info, one fish I am tossing around would be a bristletail filefish, from what I read they naturally live in seagrass and algae flats so this would be a little slice of home. I am just concerned that he would eat my macro's

BonesCJ
12/07/2017, 02:32 PM
Picked up 5 black and dalmatian mollies last night, I really like their look in the tank and do a great job picking at the stuff growing on the macro's. This way my lone black molly will not be so lonely.

Michael Hoaster
12/07/2017, 02:48 PM
Hey Chris K. If you are referring to the aiptasia-eating file fish, they are safe with macros. I loved the one I had!

Mollies are great too. Do you have males and females? If so, you're going to have a lot more soon. The babies are great feeder fish for any carnivore big enough to eat them.

BonesCJ
12/08/2017, 07:41 AM
Yep, that is the file fish I am referring to, great to hear! Yeah I made sure and get a mix of M and F's

BonesCJ
12/18/2017, 08:42 AM
Finally the tank looks full of fish! I pulled the trigger on the file fish about a week and half ago and he has settled in nicely. Real fun fish to have in the system, he's always hunting for food and has a strong response when I feed, actually took food right out from in front of my Starry blennys face! (he's the tanks "Boss"). Its funny when you can actually see the WTH! expression on a fishes face. The new molly's have settled in as well and the 2 chromis are getting along nicely.

My C. prolifora is finally starting to take off, I was just running my tank too lean and too dim, I've kept the nitrates at 10 PPM or so with heavy feeding and cranked the lights almost up to max, this has made for more hair algae but that's done nothing but make my starry blenny and Mollies happy as they have more to graze on.

Michael Hoaster
12/18/2017, 08:58 AM
That's awesome, Chris! It is kind of an adjustment, keeping nutrients high, after so many years of keeping them low, huh?

It sounds like you've got a great fish community now! Pics?

redlobstor
12/19/2017, 09:18 AM
Finally the tank looks full of fish! I pulled the trigger on the file fish about a week and half ago and he has settled in nicely. Real fun fish to have in the system, he's always hunting for food and has a strong response when I feed, actually took food right out from in front of my Starry blennys face! (he's the tanks "Boss"). Its funny when you can actually see the WTH! expression on a fishes face. The new molly's have settled in as well and the 2 chromis are getting along nicely.

My C. prolifora is finally starting to take off, I was just running my tank too lean and too dim, I've kept the nitrates at 10 PPM or so with heavy feeding and cranked the lights almost up to max, this has made for more hair algae but that's done nothing but make my starry blenny and Mollies happy as they have more to graze on.

That's Great! You will be happy with the filefish. I like they way they orient themselves head down sometimes in between the blades of C. prolifora. Did you buy the mollies already adjusted to seawater or did you have to acclimate yourself?

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BonesCJ
12/19/2017, 03:29 PM
I honestly just picked them up at my local Petsmart, I have a water change in the works so hopefully pics after that.